>"During the bubble era, the first volume of a TV anime that was selling well would move 100,000 copies. Just recently, Yuri!!! on Ice sold 100,000 copies, but it's just that back then, an anime selling 4,000-5,000 copies would be considered a flop. Selling 5,000 copies is considered a hit these days. The biggest thing that's changed is that the anime that doesn't sell well tends to tank completely. That started happening from 2005-2006."
>It's not all doom and gloom, because home disk sales aren't the major source of revenue these days. As on-demand streaming and international revenue becomes more and more important, Hirasawa predicts that anime will change along with that. For example, the length of anime episodes may get shorter. It may also be possible that, as watching anime on smartphones becomes more popular, more anime could get made with a smartphone screen in mind.
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Opinions? Mostly on the general industry scenario, not regarding salesfaggotry and muh flops and such.
Disc sales on decline since 2006
The best way to fight low disc sales is for producers to force anime studios to pay their hired otaku animator employees in unsold anime discs that they must pay the full price.
After all, working on anime is a privilege, and otaku are willing to do anything to work on anime.
That way, the anime disc producers can always print 50k discs and will have the assurance that they can get rid of it at no loss, because the animators are forced to buy it.
If they don't want it, they would then of course have to put more effort into it.
Man, I'm such a genius. Exploiting otaku even further makes me so smart. S-M-R-T, I mean, S-M-A-R-T. Woohoo.
>For example, the length of anime episodes may get shorter. It may also be possible that, as watching anime on smartphones becomes more popular, more anime could get made with a smartphone screen in mind.
Ready the third nuke.
How about selling those discs at reasonable prices, have they ever tried that?
>It may also be possible that, as watching anime on smartphones becomes more popular, more anime could get made with a smartphone screen in mind.
>Just recently, Yuri!!! on Ice sold 100,000 copies
That's an amazing idea, I can't believe they didn't think of pricing an extremely niche medium lower!
That probably won't happen. Reducing the standards is the most retarded shit any industry can do.
>force anime studios to pay their hired otaku animator employees in unsold anime discs
MOAR, MOAR DOG WHISTLES TO CREATE FAKE NARRATIVES
Enjoy not being able to enjoy the shit you actually wanna watch legally due to Stream licencing hostage and ego circle jerk help by algorythms and mainstream garbage.
It really does suck having to get up, find the disc, insert/change the disc, and wait until it loads. Even if I buy something, the need to have an easy to access file is a must.
The medium is dying, the same thing happened with video cassettes
It's only niche because it's ridiculously priced they can get away with 30k yen Evangelion boxset because it's popular, but middle of the road CGDCT schedule filler will never sell 12 BD volumes at 9k yen.
>For example, the length of anime episodes may get shorter.
So this is why we're getting so many shorts now
Good. Anime on USB drives is the way forwards.
>
It's not all doom and gloom, because home disk sales aren't the major source of revenue these days. As on-demand streaming and international revenue becomes more and more important, Hirasawa predicts that anime will change along with that.
Hue hue hue.
now they will make anime to be viewed on smart phone screens
zoomers were a mistake
theres not enough demand for the discs to offset that
Why does it seem like they're trying to save their face, i cant help but feel like their logic feels so backwards. Given how acessible anime has been, shouldnt everything be selling well no matter what type of platform it's in.
I don't see how stuff like this barely affects manga/ videogames, but for anime, they have all sorts of excuses. If anything, an anime thats selling 100k in the 80s or 90s, should still be selling about 50k or 60k despite streaming or whatever the fuck platform its in, not fucking 5k. Its weird how modern manga / games is selling better than it was before back then, but for anime is backwards
are you retarded? only anime fans buy blu rays. normalfags only stream now
No, it's a niche because no one fucking watches anime, aside from the couple lowest common denominator shows each season.
>brb decrease BD price from $100 to $20
>sales go from 2k to 5k
Great fucking idea. Ever heard of price optimization?
>all the doomposting on this thread
>forgetting to read the part about streaming and overseas revenue
Exactly my point, the way things are going, even normies won't have TVs in about 20 years
>Given how acessible anime has been, shouldnt everything be selling well no matter what type of platform it's in.
do you buy blu rays? I don't. everything I want to watch is stored on my hard drive
It's almost like they don't balance supply and demand anymore!
I still buy DVDs. Blurays were a mistake.
It's often what they're doing already for the less popular shows. These series are sold as a single or a couple of boxes, for cheaper than a full set of 2-epidodes BDs would be.
Mizayaki, is this you? Do you really hate new technology that much? Wow.
>I still buy DVDs.
Because only fucking retarded anime fans would buy 2 episodes of anime for 90$ 10 months after it aired.
Encode your series properly so it's not a 100gb/episode bloat and fucking put them on 2 BDs at 90$ MAX and I'm pretty sure it will sell much more.
And people still wonder why anime studio that make alot of anime originals are getting bankrupt left and right. These guy are so trying to cope, super popular anime are still the ones that sells like 20k or more, other than that its all mamga and ln adaptation
Genuinley why I only buy artbooks. Bluray rips are not only bloated, but they also very often look WORSE than private encodes. It's fucking retarded.
>I'm pretty sure it will sell much more.
how much more? it would have to be over 5x mores to reach the same level of profit at 90 dollars
Yes, because the variable cost of a BD disc is affecting their bottom line.
Fucking this. If you slashed the price in half I'm willing to bet that more than twice as many people would have bought BDs.
>you need 6-7x times more customers even to get the numbers you're getting right now
Sounds like a solid business strategy.
That's easily doable.
If only they could try it instead of just acting like stubborn fathers too proud to learn how to buy shit on amazon despite the site being designed so retarded niggers can use it.
Tell me where can I find a complete Initial D collection in BD at a reasonable price and I'll gladly throw my DVDs away
Lmao at dumb nips, these anons have it figured!
>Maybe we should focus on digital distribution and streaming
>Yeah man, smartphone animes that are 5 minutes long, I get you
for fuck sake even when they finally get out of their grandpa chair, these retarded nip execs miss the point
Hence why they're slaves to the publishers and only used to advertise specific Light Novel and Manga series.
Fuck off.
>That's easily doable.
no it's not. cheap american releases anime don't sell that much more, and they have a wider consumer base
They tried it many times, and failed.
In Japan, demand is inelastic with price, in that sales don't double when the price is cut in half.
>because no one fucking watches anime
Is this 1990?
intial D would look like shit on blu ray. I thought you meant you were buying modern anime on dvd
I'm not
>conveniently ignoring the second half of the sentence
You're only pretending to be retarded, I'm sure.
>no one fucking watches anime, aside from the couple lowest common denominator shows each season
Still absolute bs. Are you an idiot?
There's not enough demand because nobody wants to buy shit they can watch on TV for free. If the prices where cheaper you'd get a lot more people who buy shit on a whim.
All i'm seeing is that the nips are making excuses, aside from manga and ln, what super popular anime doesnt sell 5 digit numbers? Yeah sure, they dont sell as much, but not bloody 5k.
Your name sells just as well as most ghibli movies, and yuri on ice, or kemono friends sold just as much as eva did back in the day.
Press F for Hentai.
The way to save animu is surely to make everything into Netflix-exclusives, with disc releases NEVER EVER.
F is a very appropriate letter in this case.
There were 40 shows last season, you absolute shit-for-brains. Name half a dozen that had any sort of popularity in the west.
>comparing kememe friends to YOI or eva
I hope this meme will die someday.
You're comparing apples to oranges, you fucking retard. That's like saying you don't understand why Norwegian Black Metal bands don't sell more tour tickets in the US than Norway, Finland and Sweden
despite having a bigger market.
>There's not enough demand because nobody wants to buy shit they can watch on TV for free.
>If the prices where cheaper you'd get a lot more people who buy shit on a whim.
why are you contradicting yourself? people can stream anime for free, so why would they buy it?
Actually I do pay for my streaming.
> invest $1000, only makes $1005 in return, $5 profit
Everyone: we dont make money
Nips: $$$
No wonder alot of anime studios is getting bankrupt left,right and center. Wouldnt be surprise if pa works is next
you are the retard here. Japan has figured out the perfect price to reach maximum profits. there is just not that much demand for blu ray anime
The answer is that he's retarded and they wouldn't. Only fucking moralfags buy BDs to watch them, when they can conveniently stream or torrent the shows. You buy the discs to support the studio or to get the cool shit that comes with it.
>streaming
Was think attack on titan s1, but thats a manga adaptation.
>Only in 2019 Studios realize that the era of physical is over
This industry going to shit is not surprising desu
>retards falling for doom posting
Everytime, now fuck off.
USP is a dead piece of shit with not even 20 anime under their belt.
"Although we have been discussing about the production cost burden of Ultra Super Pictures Corporation and past animation works for some time", "Ultra Super Pictures made a petition to commence bankruptcy proceedings as a creditor , The decision to start the procedure of this time was made ".
Regarding the debt which is a problem here, "The fact that it is difficult to pay this amount for Mr. Yamamoto's property now on paying collective debts of more than 100 million yen is the basis of the judgment of this decision on commencement of bankruptcy proceedings Mr. Yamamoto has little debt besides debts of auto loans and creditors, and most of the debt is "related to production cost". Regarding the commencement of such bankruptcy proceedings, "It was a move that Mr. Yamamoto did not anticipate," he said.
Mr. Yamamoto was currently producing an animated movie "Hakubo" based on the funds collected in Cloud Funding, but that this fund and Mr. Yamamoto's bankruptcy are "irrelevant" that there is no influence I explain it carefully.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with streaming and you're simply salty that CR became a successful company even though they started as pirates.
Joke's on you. I'm sure we're all fun-posting here, you should stay on Yea Forums longer.
Shield Hero
Kaguya
Mob
Promised Neverland
Dororo
5toubun
Last season was surprisingly normalfag friendly
>thread about "fuck disks muh streaming"
>CRshills name dropping CR out of nowhere
Really makes you think.
No you aren't, this reeks of Yea Forums now go back there.
I'm shilling CR only to trigger people like you. Boy, does it feel good.
Well, how do you expect people in an internet age to buy discs when they are so expensive? I understand that is a lot of work to make anime, but come on, you would think that going from 100000 copies to 5000 they would have learned something and adapted to the market.
I will remember this when PA works becomes the next Manglobe, all their anime are originals and sold like ass
You're right, I'm so salty I get to watch shit for free (in a better quality, no less) that you pay for like a stuttering retard you are.
>I was only pretending to be retarded
I don't even know how Yea Forums looks like, enlighten me, since you seem to frequent that place.
More like
>I was only pretending to pretend to be retarded
based satania poster, please be my friend
Imagine saying 5k is enough to be considered popular, in an era where there are still anime that can still pull 5x that number. Like i can understand if he said something like 20k but fucking 5k, nips are crazy.
Yeah I don't really understand who are PA making their anime for.
At least I hope they stay afloed long enough to finish Uchouten Kazoku.
It's not just that the discs are expensive. Anime gets pumped out at a rate that's just too much for a diminishing niche to afford. So they've got to pick carefully what they want to buy and pirate or reverse import the rest.
*afloat
it's shocking how much times have changed, whats funny is people still try to follow the logic of the way things were like 9 years ago, people acting all doom and gloom over stuff like kaguya selling 5K when in reality that meant it made a fuck ton of supplementary money in addition to the stuff that actually made up the financial gains needed through streaming and manga sales.
The only thing i really hate about this new way things are done though is how alot of anime only advertise the manga and intentionally dont adapt more than they need to push people towards the source rather than be its own deal, this also leads to the more tragic side of things where because theres no source to shill or fall back on anime originals are much more rare and generally always flops.
>Imagine saying 5k is enough to be considered popular, in an era where there are still anime that can still pull 5x that number
So? 5k is popular, 20k is extremely popular. Are you stupid or something.
Buying a dvd or BD only to find out its defective doesnt help, especially when they're retard expensive
If a show deserved 50-100k disc sales it would achieve that, Ever think that anime quality has just slowly been on the decline?
The number they gave 100k back in the day is what considered super popular, dumbass. 20k in the modern era is the equivalent of that
>So they've got to pick carefully what they want to buy and pirate or reverse import the rest.
I feel this is probably the biggest issue. Considering buying a single series can cost 10% of the average monthly income in Japan I can't see many people getting multiple series from each season.
Also even if people could afford them I doubt many would want to devote the space required from having 3+ boxes for each series. If I owned every series I like I'd have to devote a full room to it with that system.
Give me an original anime that sells 5k that is considered popular then
>If a show deserved 50-100k
not a single show that reached over 50k deserved it
Madoka did.
He's exaggerating. Anything with 30k+ average is best seller ever tier.
> wants to be like kyoani with stable salary and shit.
> forgots that said studio panders to a specific demographic, and not just because they make a decent anime
It's literally the next manglobe
YOI
It's a win win situation for everyone.
like I said
>Shield Hero
didn't normies hate it for mocking on the #metoo movement?
how popular is in the west?
Glad you prove that youre a fucking dumbass
>international revenue becomes more and more important
This is what will kill anime
No
sjw's are not normalfags. normalfags hate sjws
The average person gives 0 fucks about SJW shit. You need to go outside.
Mai Hime
normies don't give a crap about the #metoo movement
Shield Hero is Kadokawa's guinea pig to try to enter in china and us markets
First season of Nanoha
>guinea pig
elaborate
>normies don't give a crap about the #metoo movement
Doubt.
>normies
This quote is not about the original anime.
Kadokawa CEO said it was made for the overseas streaming market or something.
Shield Hero is a 4 year project of Kadokawa (with CR sheckels) to try to enter the China and US market.
>Why Shield Hero?
probably their market research showed them it has some popularity on those markets(weird choice considering how sensible burgerland is now with the whole sjw movement #BelieveInWomen).
they don't. everything you see on the news is manufactured to give the illusion of mass support
>1-cour 24 minutes episodes
>2-cour 12 minutes episodes
Pick one.
>weird choice considering how sensible burgerland is now with the whole sjw movement #BelieveInWomen).
every movie with a huge sjw leaning has flopped
you haven't been outside in years and doesn't world a thing about the world outside of Yea Forums user
so... they took 4 years to animate shield hero? why is there still QUALITY on it?
You shouldn't believe everything you read on 4chen. Shield Hero is just the latest LN shit getting shitted out of the LN machine.
I pick 40-minute OVAs.
I was talkingabout the drama the first episode provoked
Captain Marvel wants to have a word with you
captain marvel flopped big time
>Kadokawa
>probably their market research showed them
>weird choice
Kadokawa management is a bunch of retards. They even fucked up Kemono Friends recently. I didn't even know it's possible to destroy a popular franchise so quickly.
Just skip tv and discs and do kickstarters for all those S2 we are missing already.
Incel Hero seems successful enough.
Vidya has been locked at around 60$ since forever and theres plenty of demand.
they started animating it in 2017, user.
However, the project started back in late 2015
>QUALITY
the animation was decent till now with some 2-3 second of QUALITY between a bunch of scenes.
We still don't know that. Presales of DVD/BD is around 2.5k(average at most). However Shield Hero is a special case since we can't base their success in disc sales only
They need to split the cours up.
>6 episodes for shorter anime that doesn't need a lot of episodes
>12 episodes as a standard
>18 episodes for longer anime (without fillers. pointless episodes and shit)
>24 episodes only if you really need it
>normies
I don't think it did sadly.
Based. I fucking want this for the All you need is kill adapatiom that I know will never happen.
Can you guys seed literally the only BD torrent of Uchouten on nyaa, please? This fucking sucks
>the average length of h anime has gone from 30 minutes to 20 minutes to now less than 15 minutes
>adaptations only get 1 or 2 episodes that don't even have scenes for all the girls
>we'll never get something like bible black again
how do we save hentai?
half of the ticket sales were literally paid for by the marvel
>mfw physical media is dying
unfortunately with the aid of (((disney))) it didn't flop
put it on streaming sties with ads
Yeah, it will never happen. Since it already has a Hollywood live action. What better advertisement for the source material do you need?
Patreon, Kickstarter, etc.
Anime producers and consumers are more less autistic retards.
Especially Japanese producers fail to adapt to the market, which could be easily done, but they decide against it.
It's a slow but steady death.
>opens my screen recorder
>uploads online
heh.. fuck off samurai
thank fuck
They'll put product placement, ads and crude censorship black holes everywhere. Enjoy.
And yet salesfags still think their chink stalker ripoff holds any meaning whatsoever. Can't wait until their Yea Forums-tier threads are banned for good.
>$60
>+ 15$ DLCs, each
>+microtransations
>+store exclusive bonus
Why ask myself why Shield Hero from many other LNs?
We could have had MT earlier instead
Why?
Blu-ray provides the better quality than anything else in the market.
Streams are always bit-starved as fuck( Netflix, CR and Funi).
Rudy is too degenerate for the us market
>open the file in blender
>remove the ads
>ignore the series anyways
"Niche"
Mate, anime is probably the most popular form of entertainment right now after games. People woud a bunch of them if they were cheap, of course if a season of one costs 100 dollars no one is going to buy shit, and serves them right.
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Wrong. This WAS tried many times. It doesn't work. The demand is inelastic. Price does not influence it directly. What they need to do is make less shows per season. Maybe just one mecha/isekai/idol/loli show per season. The fans of that genre will just buy that. Instead of 3 shows flopping you would have one that did OK.
There are only so many otakus that will spend large amounts of money on their hobby, and they are increasingly looking elsewhere. The Idol industry grows every year despite people saying the idol boom has been over since 2013. AKB dying was actually probably the biggest poison to the anime industry, it lead to so many more decentralized smaller idol groups that attract hardcore otaku fans. Why waste your money on Anime Blu Rays of some shitty show that doesn't compare to anime of 10 and 20 years ago when you could get a dozen pictures together with some idol skank for the same amount of money, and you make friends with the other disgusting idol wotas at the idol live.
More like most are spending their money on mobage instead.
it's niche in japan retard. in the west anime is cheaper and weebs don't buy it anyway.
Except they never sold super well even in the 80's and 90's, stop acting like every old anime sold tens of thousands of copies.
Ecchi, moe barely sell overall, mecha sells like shit except for gundam and some others.
It was never about pure disk sales, only the producers who don't sell anything blame the market and fans.
That's what happened in the early 2000s though. We went from cel animation to 480p (and often sub-480p) fixed-resolution anime that looks horrible today and is stuck looking horrible forever.
>moba-anime
>roll a gacha to watch 5 more minutes
So now piracy will reign supreme?
Remember when Anime DVDs used to only have 3 or 4 episodes included?
He probably meant to say "canary"
This is the kind of system manga apps have in Japan if you didn't know, I mean not exactly but something like the "refresh your energy to read more chapters", which can be done by waiting or buying/getting currency.
Don't they have checks to make sure you're still watching now? I remember watching something at a family member's house and right in the middle it asked me if I was still there.
>anime
>niche
>in japan
You are retarded.
Meh, the producer is exagerating.
That's not how it works, different members of the committee have different goals. And most of the overseas money is in merchandise and not in streaming licences which are peatnuts.
No, CR went to KDKW with "hey Shield Hero is popular in the West, yu make animu?"
And Kadokawa said yes. If Kadokawa seriously wanted to get a foothold in the West then they would try it with their gaming division. They still own From.
Who pay those prices, I got the whole Klk serie for fifty bucks. How much japs pay for 4 BD/ 25 episodes?
Discs are still fun but generations change. I'm oldfag and I like collecting blurays for extra content and better quality but I see newfags focusing in merch collections. I don't believe Japan will stop producing discs ever but they'll adapt, like they are doing now, doing discs with lottery tickets to appeal more. Make bonus merch with discs in the future, who knows?
You get the discs for the higher datarate.
no you just have no idea what things are actually like. do you think mainstream entertainment would air at 1 in the morning?
They could start locking entire shows behind gacha.
>Roll a SSR
You get a Kyoani or Bones show
>Roll an A rank
You get Trigger
>B rank
Shaft powerpoints and Gonzo shows
it has been demostrated multiple times that selling smaller products at a lower price is much more beneficial than a single high cost big bundle
mmos.com
long story short
>game used to have small 3 20 dollar adventures with a set number of cards, with 3 regular expansions
>makes change in business, no more small adventures, now you can only buy the 50 dollar preorder
>-52% revenue in just a year
that's a titanic loss of money, because only whales feel like wasting so much money on such a thing. by having lower prices you naturally expose yourself to many more customers
More figures and merch for series woooooooo even the most obscure of anime characters will get dakimakura.