say what you will, but I've yet to reexperience the feeling of shit seriously going down during the final boss battle, even moreso after watching the second film, there simply hasn't been a final antagonist this impactful or a battle which felt so heavy
Say what you will, but I've yet to reexperience the feeling of shit seriously going down during the final boss battle...
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I watched the finale on LSD so I know exactly what you mean. It was just so... big.
That fight is fucking stupid if you know a couple things about astrophysics and realize how just them moving kills quadrillions of living beings.
they were fighting in pocket universe
Are you trying to apply logic to GL?
They told you not to do that in ep1 , hell that's literally the motto of the show
DO DA IMPOSSIBRU SEE DA INVISIBRU
>have a sea as a literal black hole
>since TTGL is the size of a galaxy, their movement is literally FSL
>final shot of all versions of Gurren Lagann before Lagann Impact doesn't make sense considering the above
Anime is fucking stupid if you know that none of it is real.
RO RO FIGHT DA PROWER!
Watch Getter Armageddon
Stoner Sunshine is the hypest part of that OVA and it's neither in the final battle, nor as hype as TTGL's second half Giga Drill Breakers. It comes close though.
As an hardcore getterfag, it's an incomplete product. Cutting Imagawa watered down the quality of the final product.
Spoonfeed me on getter robot.
I don't feel like getting into the tv series but I heard the OVAs are good.
Which are required viewings?
I don't recommend the TV series, it's standard Nagai tripe. If you're not a boomer you won't like it. The manga on the other hand is a timeless classic and probably the most interesting take on the theme of evolution in Japanese media.
What about the ova though?
literally everyone knows a couple of things about astrophysics you fucking retard
imagine missing the point of a show like TTGL this hard
there will never be anything like gurren laggan. its simultaneously the most incredibly hype thing to ever exist and also layered with interesting and nuanced themes, all wrapped up in an incredible production. its as close to perfect as anime can get
>That drink is fucking stupid if you know a couple things about nutrition and realize how just drinking pop adds tons of empty calories with no health benefit.
It's been ten and two million years and I still think Antispiral did nothing wrong!
Eight million years later my faith in their justice grows even more!
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Complete stagnation and despair for all life forms is no way to live. Even if that stopped the spyral nemesis it would be only a mockery of the porest life for the universe. Despair is worse than oblivion.
what did he see ?
Not that guy but I'd say they're worth watching just because Ryouma is the most hotblooded and batshit insane man in existence and no character in TTGL really matches him.
Armageddon has the best animation and most hype moments, Neo vs Shin has a bunch of cool and crazy shit and is only 4 episodes. Shin is merely decent but check it out if you like the other two.
I'm wondering this too, would it be best to just watch the OVA remakes? I've heard the earlier shows were intended for kids
>would it be best to just watch the OVA remakes? I've heard the earlier shows were intended for kids
While you're right about the earlier shows, do not watch the remakes before reading the manga. They'll spoil part of the plot that is eventually explained better in the manga and provide often a non-sensical ending to the story. Granted, the original manga ends on a cliffhanger, but even that is preferable to the OVA endings.
The OVAs are worth watching eventually, after you've read the manga.
You just can't mess up the decision making in a fight, there's no substitute for it. I'm not here to watch two nobodies yell at each other and fight like retards.
Will the apparently intense end of the OVAs be spoiled or be any less intense if I read the manga first?
And am I missing something or are there actually only 55 chapters in the entire manga?
But user, what about one hundred million and two thousand years from now?
No, the manga is rather short and the OVA is meant to be enjoyed afterwards. The endings are rather different so either way you should be able to enjoy both separately, if anything, the ending of the OVA spoils a much more grandiose revelation in the original manga.
look at this fucking retard and laugh
False equivalence.
1) he's correct.
2) being a brainless show is nothing to be proud of.
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They were only as bad as Rossiu and Father Magin. That is to say, They weren't evil, simply incomplete. They embody the opposite perspective to Kamina, and provide valuable nuance to his own incomplete perspective that got him killed.
OVAs are all pretty much alternate takes with recurring characters from the manga, none of them are connected.
Probably best order to watch is Shin vs. Neo which is the tamest but still good and is the only one with Dino Empire (the primary antagonists in manga), Shin Getter Robo next which is more brutal and then the divisive Getter Robo Armageddon trainwreck.
Manga is good anytime and lets you know about the characters beforehand although on the flipside if you read the manga then you will rage seeing character assasinations and retarded decisions in Armageddon.
>worth watching just because Ryouma is the most hotblooded and batshit insane man in existence
That pretty much goes for most of the cast. A recurring plotpoint of Getter is they only manage to control the thing and win BECAUSE the pilots are near enough insane
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>That pretty much goes for most of the cast
Yeah it’s just that Ryouma is the craziest of them all by far. I’m thinking Armageddon in particular where almost every decision he makes is completely reckless with very little justification.
Go back to fucking reddit, retard
>1) he's correct.
He isn't. Why should a show designed specifically to be fun to watch pay any mind to congruence with the real world's physics? If that ruins a show for you you are legitimately autistic, but that much was made clear pretty quickly when you revealed you're from reddit.
>2) being a brainless show is nothing to be proud of.
Ah yes, because to not be brainless, one must do away with creativity and artistic freedom for the sake of a more interesting watch. TTGL is almost absurdly creative, so calling it brainless shows how almost absurdly stupid you are, and how desperately you cling to your pseudo-intellectualism as made evident by you unironically pointing out a false equivalence on an anime imageboard. Imagine being so clearly stupid you actually attempt to, not discuss, but argue, that an anime that exists for the sake of being interesting and creative is brainless, not on some sort of legitimate grounds like an artistic criticism, but because it doesn't hold the real world's law of physics as necessary to creating arguably one of the best shows in the past 15 years.
/r/anime is waiting for you in the Jojo thread, retard.
I wonder if there is a race that tried to cause the spiral nemesis?
Shut up, God.
>TTGL is creative
I am ok with the rest of your argument, but this part in particular is entirely bullshit. Sure, TTGL is wacky, fun, hype, but it certainly isn't creative.
Aside from using the general structure of various era of mecha anime because of the thing it's doing, how is it not creative?
I will always say TTGL can be summed up as The Little Tank Engine that Could, and it is corny as shit. But I'll never say that the showdown against the antispiral wasn't amusing. The deus ex machinas and fighting equivalent of two kids arguing whether Superman could beat Batman or vice versa be damned, power of friendship fueling the MC be fucked. Having the final boss lay a physical and verbal beatdown simultaneously was pretty good.
>apart from borrowing structure, narrative and themes from other works and providing little to no characterization for its main cast, how is it not creative?
Ok dude, let me guess, the only other mecha you've ever watched is Evangelion (and you think it's for pussies) or Code Geass.
>narrative
Name one. You can take the individual "sections" of the story, but not the whole.
>themes
Again, name one. Because if you say "Getter Robo is about evolution too", then that means to missed like 95% of the themes.
>little to no characterization for its main cast
And that's just wrong.
>Name one. You can take the individual "sections" of the story, but not the who
The trope 'bad guy was actually bad because of the circumstances he found himself into' is basically everywhere in post-Gundam mecha.
>Name one
>No not that one, that one doesn't count
Look user, I understand how annoying pretentious pseudo-intellectuals are online. But this is literally specially pleading. You can't say 'name one' and then not let another person pick a counterexample. Especially because Getter Robo handles evolution in much more nuanced way than TTGL could ever hope of doing.
Then there's the theme of taking your fate in your own hand which echoes Gunbuster (Simon and Noriko both grow up as people after those they relied on die and they're forced to come through). Just to make another and to circumvent your fallacy.
>Now that's just wrong
Ah yes, how could we forget iconic characters like the guy who shouts 'SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!' or the twins who repeat the same sentence while making noise with their feet, or Tits McGee who kisses characters and then they die. Such rich characterization.
>the guy who shouts 'SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!' or the twins who repeat the same sentence while making noise with their feet
>supporting characters are now the main cast
>The trope 'bad guy was actually bad because of the circumstances he found himself into' is basically everywhere in post-Gundam mecha.
Boy howdy is that the broadest sweeps imaginable. It's also a story about a protagonist with a goal he wishes to achieve, that sure is unoriginal.
>Look user, I understand how annoying pretentious pseudo-intellectuals are online. But this is literally specially pleading. You can't say 'name one' and then not let another person pick a counterexample. Especially because Getter Robo handles evolution in much more nuanced way than TTGL could ever hope of doing.
>Then there's the theme of taking your fate in your own hand which echoes Gunbuster (Simon and Noriko both grow up as people after those they relied on die and they're forced to come through). Just to make another and to circumvent your fallacy.
See, I feel now pretty confident that you did miss the themes. I'll give you a broad overview. Humans start small and weak, isolated into small tribal villages, until they discover technology to help them overcome the much stronger beast men, along with a singular power that the beast men lack. Then, after years of growth, humans create a modern society for themselves, until they reach a certain population which spells their doom, which then has a bunch of people either losing hope, or trying to find ways to give up on their modern existence. Then, ultimately they head into the stars to face the literal fucking manifestation of fear of self destruction due to growth.
There's a lot more about the individual characters and events, but that's the gist. It's a retelling of human history, and our fears of self destruction.
>Ah yes, how could we forget iconic characters like the guy who shouts 'SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!' or the twins who repeat the same sentence while making noise with their feet, or Tits McGee who kisses characters and then they die. Such rich characterization.
That's not what "main cast" means.
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Yeah, what's your point retard?
>Boy howdy is that the broadest sweeps imaginable. It's also a story about a protagonist with a goal he wishes to achieve, that sure is unoriginal.
>Names one
>"waaah not that one!"
It's the second time you pull this shit. This isn't gurren lagann, once you set out the rules you're supposed to stick with them, else expect people to call you out on your shit
>See, I feel now pretty confident that you did miss the themes.
And I feel pretty confident you missed the themes about Getter Robo too, if that's your retort, but ok.
>Humans start small and weak, cornered by a primal evil they didn't know existed, until they discover technology to help them overcome the much stronger dino men, along with a singular power that the dino men lack. Then, after years of growth, humans create a modern society for themselves, until they reach the apex of power which represents a turning point for them. They have become the strongest, but they're also an unbrindled force of destruction that sweeps through the galaxy, not to mention that this finding puts in danger the attempts at reconciliation between dino men and humankind. The nature of evolution, which is a deterministic process, ultimately has the entire planet turn into a battlefield.
>It's a retelling of human history, and how the self-destruction that we fear is always close at hand.
And of course there are things you can say about TTGL that you can't say about Getter Robo, but the notes we have hint at the fact that the Getter Emperor is basically that universe's equivalent of the Spiral Nemesis, except sentient and capable of self-preservation. The aliens knew this and tried to destroy mankind, just like the anti-spiral did.
>DUDE THIS THING IN A PURPOSELY RIDICULOUS FICTION IS STUPID AND WASN"T POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF SCIENCE
really
It was supposed to be over the top and stupid. They start throwing out stupid weapons like "probability missiles." That's what makes it good.
>stupid weapons like "probability missiles."
That's not stupid at all. Go blame Quantum mechanics
>It's the second time you pull this shit. This isn't gurren lagann, once you set out the rules you're supposed to stick with them, else expect people to call you out on your shit
I very specifically said the arcs are based on the tropes of individual eras, but that they are put together into a very different whole. But regardless, your assertion is first off, wrong, because the villains aren't villains because of circumstance, save for MAYBE Genome, the other two main villains are very clearly villains because they oppose the fundamental philosophy of the protagonist. And that's STILL a hilariously microscopic aspect to use to show "See! The plot is the same".
>And I feel pretty confident you missed the themes about Getter Robo too, if that's your retort, but ok.
>And of course there are things you can say about TTGL that you can't say about Getter Robo, but the notes we have hint at the fact that the Getter Emperor is basically that universe's equivalent of the Spiral Nemesis, except sentient and capable of self-preservation. The aliens knew this and tried to destroy mankind, just like the anti-spiral did.
Apparently you didn't get Getter Robo either, because first, Getter Emperor and what it represents is hardly at the core of things, it barely ever even shows up, but that's also not what it means at all. Getter Emperor is about WHAT it evolves into and its effects on everything else, not whether it's self destructive.
>And that's STILL a hilariously microscopic aspect to use to show "See! The plot is the same".
>Asks for one counter-example
>N-no! That doesn't count!
This is getting tiresome.
>Getter Emperor is hardly at the core of things
It becomes more relevant as the story progresses, just like the Spiral Nemesis isn't brought up until later in the show.
>It barely even shows up
Like the Spiral Nemesis, but it's not about showing up, it's about what it represents in the context of the story
>Getter Emperor is about WHAT it evolves into and its effects on everything else, not whether it's self destructive.
1) This is really poorly phrased
2) The Getter Emperor doesn't evolve, it's already at the peak. It just expands
3) To a degree, it does represent self-destruction, as humans slowly shed their bodies and turn into Get-machines. It also represents the ultimate threat for the universe.
All in all, they're distinct but similar, and they both embody the same concept: what if we cross the point of no return? What happens then? Getter Robo doesn't pretend like it has an answer, and Gurren Lagann cops out by saying that 'somehow we will prevent it", which is all in all acceptable for a story that requires you to leave your suspension of disbelief at home.
Quantum mechanics aren't meant to apply on a macroscopic level. Schrodinger's cat was supposed to point out the absurdity of this view on quantum mechanics, but it's been popularized anyway.
Probability missiles don't make any sense, and that's fine. It's honestly better that way.
>Asks for one counter-example
I asked for one that actually had the same plot. You're seriously suggesting that Gundam has the same plot as TTGL because Char and Hammon are sympathetic villains? That's your bar for them being the same story?
Again, you're missing the point, and now I must assume on purpose. Getter Robo's evolutionary boogie man is that we evolve something that we don't want to. It's about what parts of us are worth encouraging, and which will lead us down a bad path.
Gurren Lagann's evolutionary boogie man is that we will eventually destroy ourselves, through overpopulation, war, whatever, and the fear response that people have to that possibility, and the dangers of that fear.
They are in no way the same thing.
Forget about Schrodinger's cat, Quantum physics are absolutely bullshit and lead to stuff like particles that have influence on each other's state despite not being at the same place at all, just because they've been observed.
Yeah TTGL doesn't try to make much sense of the space stuff. But probability missiles is really not so far from the bullshit quantum mechanics are
>You're seriously suggesting that Gundam has the same plot as TTGL because Char and Hammon are sympathetic villains?
Either you misread what you said or you're in bad faith. What I meant is that, narratively speaking, Lordgenome is simplyt the umpteenth villain who was just trying to do the right thing, with characters finding out about this later. Hell, Yamato did this in 1976. And this wasn't me suggesting they have the same plot, this was me mentioning one example of a narrative similarity, like YOU requested.
The same goes for Evolution. I never said that evolution in TTGL And GR is the same thing, I am saying it's a theme that is present in both stories. While they're certainly different, I get the feeling that you must be exasperating their differences on purpose. The bottom line is that both stories talk about how evolution can backfire quite spectacularly even on those who believe they're blessed by it, but I suppose that the Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.
Once again, you asked me to bring up one theme. I brought 2. You're still pretending your earlier requests and special pleadings do not exist, and I am reasonably convinced you'll proceed to ignore them for the rest of the discussion too. So go ahead, have fun, keep shifting the goalpost. And when you're done, you might actually want to check out some mecha besides Darling in the Franxx.
>Either you misread what you said or you're in bad faith. What I meant is that, narratively speaking, Lordgenome is simplyt the umpteenth villain who was just trying to do the right thing, with characters finding out about this later. Hell, Yamato did this in 1976. And this wasn't me suggesting they have the same plot, this was me mentioning one example of a narrative similarity, like YOU requested.
"You can take the individual "sections" of the story, but not the whole."
Maybe you misread.
>The same goes for Evolution. I never said that evolution in TTGL And GR is the same thing, I am saying it's a theme that is present in both stories. While they're certainly different, I get the feeling that you must be exasperating their differences on purpose. The bottom line is that both stories talk about how evolution can backfire quite spectacularly even on those who believe they're blessed by it, but I suppose that the Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.
That's not what it is in anyway. TTGL is not about Evolution going bad. Hell, neither is Getter Robo. Shit, if you used Getter Robo as the narrative example, you might have a point, because that's the similarity, how they're approaching their themes through the lense of evolution. Let me distill it even further for you then, Getter Robo is about how our choices reflect who we become, TTGL is about how fear is our greatest hurdle to overcome.
>try to be smart
>point out retarded bullshit instead of them literally standing on Galaxies as if they aren't mostly empty space
Good job retard.
>Point out standing on Galaxies
>Not chucking Galaxies like fucking throwing chakrams that slice into each other
It's the same issue. The big bang thing in the movies too it was a bit annoying to be honest
>I am reasonably convinced you'll proceed to ignore them for the rest of the discussion too. So go ahead, have fun, keep shifting the goalpost
The irony when you did exactly this with your point about the “main cast” lacking characterization.
>even moreso after watching the second film
I don't care what anyone says, adding that fist fight is a huge disservice to the finale. Not only is it just a rehash of Lordgenome, but it also takes away what made the original finale so good. In the original, the killing blow was dealt in an instant after nearly losing everything they had just to get there. It's the same feeling when you finally see the light breaking through the surface after long grueling hours of drilling underground, which is a way more fitting way for Simon to come out on top.
checked, based and redpilled.
Why is everyone falling for this bait?
Well played, user 10/10