2010s aesthetic thread

Berserk 2017, as bad as it could be, had some of these sprinkled around.

got examples?

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im sure there's more, but I'm too lazy to look for them.

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Point taken
that's pretty damn cool
Dezaki postcard too.
Damn.

Is the show actually good with some bad shots here and there or are there just some good shots in the pile? the anime sort of became a meme for that walking cut.

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2010s shows that anime's matured finally in the digital format. Shit was super rough for the first ten years and almost none of that stuff can ever be properly salvaged into HD.

Exactly.
Some creators here and there kept making stuff but there was a real dip in quality overall in the turn to the digital age. We are finally seeing the average being pretty nice and people besides the big names making good stuff with their own unique aesthetic.
The overall aesthetic is honestly starting to look kinda nice.

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Like for random example, Miami Guns, Stellvia, Wolf's Rain, Daphne in the Brilliant Blue. Almost anything 2001 to 2006 is kind of hard to look at now.

Yeah. besides very few individual creators and studio there's a lot that just doesn't hold up at all.

I was going to post in your thread and contribute but because you shat on older animation for clickbait i'm gonna just sage and call you a faggot.

10's shows look worse. They over rely on post processing digital effects like bloom/CG/Camera Shake and Filtered backgrounds. The 00's were shit on average but at least it was better than this overproduced crap.

Where are the classics? Too much anime, not enough tentpole releases, not enough experimentation. Pick any 00's year and you'll see 2-3 at the very least shows a year that still get recommended REGULARLY and are better than the best of this decade.

Being hard to look at is fine. Digital always has a resolution and 480p looking garbage to us now will happen to 1080p when 8K/16K is a thing.

Most anime stepped away from overusing compositing, they are still overusing it a lot, but less than late 2000s and early 2010s
Also if you think there's not enough experimentation than you really ain't looking very far. every other show is trying some weird style or experimenting with a new format. take devilman or gridman for example.

You are right with too much anime, which is why shows from that era could stand out better because of less competition. They didn't compete with 30 other shows per season, but you are looking through the lens of filtration to a degree.

I'd rather them experiment with a brand new IP instead of readapting source material yet again (devilman and all the reboots this decade) or rip off live-action (gridman).

Devilman and Gridman are the exception, not the rule. All anime has out there releases. At the end of the day Devilman is no Haibane Renmei. Gridman is no Gundam 00.

We're past the 10's now bro, lens of filtration is not an argument anymore. Take the best of this decade and look at the best of last decade and you'll see there is no comparison.

I'm probably one of the biggest cel fags on the internet, but as much as i love the color choices of the animators back then and the quality used I think themedium had a few limitations that are somewhat annoying.. it is overdramatization, you are right. But I also really believe that with some of the features digital provides comes some particular benefits that are pretty nice.
Not gonna make you post if you don't want to but if you do you'll be welcomed with open arms.

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From all the adaptations in the world those two are the worst to rip on. You'd have to have a mental deficiency to hate on them.

The benefit does not outweigh the cost in my opinion. More kinetic anime in terms of average animation quality doesn't matter to me if the aesthetic doesn't look great. The old system with still shots until a great burst of animation worked just fine.

Devilman Crybaby was not that good, man. 8 at best. We're just starving for anything like it.

>we never got battleaxe biuretto
i'm still mad

They are the exception for being 2 of the best animes in recent years, but speaking as a whole it's nothing short of truth that the quality, and experimentation both went up since the 2000s and a lot better than stuff from the 70s and most of the 80s. not quite 90s quality across the board though.

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I'm sure that'll happen to a degree, but anime now does have the benefit of smaller lines and finer detail, approaching full 1080p. But yeah, go back and watch sola, or Real Drive and they'll probably be rougher to look at.

>animes
Should have figured.

Protip: Lurk moar. The biggest experimentation period for anime was 1996-2003. Neither of those shows will go down as classics. You don't know shit about the 70's and probably the 80's.

Thicc lines look better.

HURR DURR YOU SAID THAT WORD
Fuck off faggot.

Nice rebuttal.

There are improvements with digital, but the problem is cel had decades worth of process knowledge around working with the constraints of cel. I wouldn't mind a lot of digital works if they didn't throw the baby away with the bathtub after the switch. Color palettes tend to be too bright. Backgrounds are somehow required to be super detailed so CGI and filtered photos tend to be the norm. Photoshop filters help hide the fact that lineart needs to be drawn faster because character design complexity went up dramatically. Also, like I'd rather have better individual still shots with good bursts of animation. Also a lot less of that needless camera shaking to imitate movement.

Digital can be good though. Where are all the shows like Dennou Coil with its fantastic character animation? Did all its animators go to making stylized action scenes or cubes?

You know what's funny. I agree with all of it. I think that the 90s had one of the most amazing amount of quality all across the board, I think that the fact that the company making cels stopped making them was stupid, and I think back then the production had a lot more knowledge as to what they have been doing on aesthetic.
I also agree with you that good animation with shit coloring and aesthetic will be ruined and for nothing.
However there are two major factors that I'd like to point out.

As clueless as animators were thrown into digital they developed an understanding of it over the years and I think we got to a point where we can celebrate how far they came

And the most important thing:
I used to say that digital as a medium could never compare to traditional, but then I realized something.... I never saw a cel in person, nor have I ever seen an anime on film. The bautiful colors, the rich and vibrant hues , darks, and lights. they were all being displayed on a damn digital monitors using pixels. It is possible to create things that are just as pretty and even prettier on digital and as an animator myself a big portion of my experimentation was to make digital work look just as good as traditional.

That being said when I say digital for the most part I mean digital but drawn on paper. inking and cleaning up on digital takes so long that you may as well have used cels. would've taken you less time than trying to get all the damn lines on a tablet. paper ftw.

Anyway I think what you are saying is reasonable, but I also want to celebrate some of the modern achievements. it's okay if you don't want to post on a thread with bait. One day I'll make one without it and then we might meet again.

(you)
Makes your heart race everytime right? starting arguments with randos online
anyway that's your last you. now piss off.

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your points make perfect sense, but just like I said here I think there is some progress that has been made and an aesthetic that should be rewarded. not in every production, there's still a ton of garbage, but there's also so great and very aesthetic stuff.

What would you say are some of the best aesthetically pleasing digital anime from 2001 to say 2006? Arjuna and Last Exile stand out for me.

>I haven't
Well I have. I watch my anime on a CRT with no fixed pixels. I collect cels and have several in my possession. I don't think digital has ever been able to replicate the texture of cel animation. Theory doesn't matter to me if it never happens in the real world. The closest i've ever seen is here and it's still obviously sterile:
youtube.com/watch?v=jyQWXRJ8Lc4

And

youtube.com/watch?v=FmkAcGz1BJk

Nice rebuttal.

That second, they're even replicating the cel shadow look. Works for a short, but I don't think any animator would go out of their way for a whole show or movie, maybe just an OVA.

>I don't think an animator would go out of their way

Exactly. So saying "Digital CAN replicate cel" means nothing, because no one can or would. You'd be stuck in eternal autism like Otaking never releasing anything. The John K of anime.

I personally think everything that gainax and later khara did in the early years of digital kept that authentic look.

Both FLCL and Gurren Lagann do this very well. Rebuild? Not so much.

MAZEN NA!

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>no fixed pixels.
absolute retard doesn't understand how screens work screen.
> nothing can do the texture of cels
Probably the most trifling argument. The reaosn 80s and 90s anime was so good was because of the artists, not the medium. Most productions were fighting to remove grain and cel artifacts, the aesthetic was from the artwork. Absolute brainlet
was worth (you) ing you one more time cause this is a gold mine of stupid. now fuck off

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_pixel_display

Educate yourself, fuckboy.

Berserk is good until the angel guy who yells out attack names gets killed

sort of like the actual manga desu, it's like Miura, the animators, the budget, and the audience all just become exhausted at the same time

I wasn't big on rebuild the first time I saw it, mainly because I accidentally watched it before the end of eva after my initial NGE watch.
I regrew my respects to it when I was looking online at eva cels to study. realized I was looking at rebuild an hour in. gave it some times. rewatched it, it was damn good. I fuck with the rebuilds.

This one looks like shit and is clearly a filter

This one looks good but i'm 90% sure this is from the original anime

thoughts on the movies?

I've never once confused digital for cel unless run through a VHS tape first. There are SOME good cuts, but the bloom, coloration, backgrounds and CGI are peak Soul/Soulless.

Disregarding the fact that the rebuilds miss the narrative and thematic point of Evangelion.

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Except it's still fucking pixels, and you are limited to the scan quality of the original, as well as your shitty crt.
It doesn't matter how much your screen can rescale, you are limited to whatever was recorded onto the medium.
Do you also vector trace your imaged because you think it will add details to your pictures?
brainlet.

>miss the nerrative
I think that's complete BS.
>soulless
From all the productions that moved from cel to digital it's managed to not only do it best, but create it's own charm.
That being said. I think before you can truely enjoy it you need to realize it's not NGE. it's not NGE but tweaked, it's anno's original idea rebuilt from the ground up.

>it's still pixels
I never claimed otherwise read my post again

>You are limited by the scan and by your resolution
Limited to the original intended presentation? Yes, of course.

Did you watch 2.0 or 3.0? Genuinely curious how you think that is acceptable in any way as as rebuild of Eva.

even NGE isnt anno's original idea, they ran out of cash

>unless you've seen it on film

I"VE SEEN IT ON A CRT HURR

I'm talking to a wall at this point.
feel free to keep being a retard but kindly fuck off. I don't care much for dealing with special ed.

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Film is not the original intended presentation of Television anime or OVAs and is an entirely seperate issue to watching anime on a digital display vs a CRT. You got called out by a wikipedia article and now you're angrily trying to save face. Just stop replying, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

It's not an extension of NGE, it's anno taking the idea making it exactly how he wanted with no budget or time restriction. Understanding that is the key to appreciating the rebuilds. The less you consider nge as "source" and rebuilds as " adaptation" the better it becomes. otherwise you might thik: why did they change that? why did they add this girl? why did they remove or rearrange this? you see what I mean?

It's not good on its own merits either. I'd say the important distinction you must make is it's what Anno wants to make RIGHT NOW. I can guarentee it wasn't what he wanted to make in the mid 90's.

I think it's one of the wildest anime every made but I can't argue taste. I don't know what you mean by "what he wanted to make mid 90s" mid 90s he was depressed after nadia and now he wants to revisit a concept from 93 but after he got over it, got a wife, made friends, bettered himself as a person and became a better artist more and more.

You said:
>it's anno taking the idea making it exactly how he wanted with no budget or time restriction

That implies that the idea he had in the 90's is what we are getting now, and that is not true

>and became a better artist more and more

Could not disagree more. Nothing he has made recently touches his older work (Scenes in Daicon, Gunbuster, his Nadia episodes, Evangelion, End of Evangelion, Kare Kano)

He's Lucas'd himself to the point where NGE looks like a fluke.

It's also important to note that Rebuild is more Tsurumaki instead of Anno in terms of directing when they aren't ripping visuals out of the original. This is less of an Anno project than the original.

Absolutely disagree with all your points. re is more educated and better made than NGE in every single way. Compared to the rebuilds nge looks like... well a TV show. I like it a lot but I think you have a sugarcoated view of NGE if it blocks your enjoyment of the rebuilds so hard. shame but I won't convince you otherwise. You'll turn around eventually when 4 drops in 2025 and changes anime forever.

No chance. If 4.0 turns out to be good it'll be on its own merits, not because of 1-3. NGE is the far more accomplished work in terms of the direction. Way better framing, editing, visual allegory and experimentation with colors/exits in and out of frame. It accomplishes nearly EVERYTHING to a higher degree, the only difference is that Eva has a few janks shots due to budget. If you disagree that means you prefer Tsurumaki's direction to Annos.

Rebuild is Hollywood action schlock and unchecked yesman garbage like the Star Wars Prequels. NGE is visionary and powerful. No contest what will last the test of time.

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Gundam thunderbolt was pretty nice.

if we're talking general generic 2010s style think the early 2010s look (2010-2013, maybe 2014) is the best

It could be something specific, people bring up akira on the 80s aesthetic even though it's phenomenally better looking than the others. The outliers are a part of it too, post away.

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hunter x hunter 2011

Pretty disappointed Karakuri doesn't have heavy grain like this show does, though maybe it's something they added for the BDs? Only saw a few episodes when it was actually airing and can't remember.
It clearly doesn't count since it's just trying to invoke the 90s aesthetic though.

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Same feel, bro.
I was so hyped when trailers were presented.
And the the first EP put my expectatious in it's right place.
Fuck VEG.

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>expectations

This looks better than the panel it's based on. And I say this as someone who thinks 2011 looks like shit.

>Akira is way better looking in terms of style

Dead wrong. Akira is AMAZING as a technical showcase, but Otomos artwork is barely AESTHETIC at all. Doesn't even touch Gunbuster.

How will anime be in 2020?

The same as 2010's until around 2023 when some visionary show comes along and changes the game. Hope it's not CGI but who knows.

The visuals will be contrast-less gradients with voiceovers.

Really? I think both looks fantastic

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