Hardwork vs talent
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Why would you put Saitama in the Talent category? We don't have a definite answer but it's been hinted strongly that he obtained his power by breaking his limiter through hard training.
>No Guts
>No Major Mokoto Kusanagi
>No Reinhard von Lohengramm
>A mountain of Shonen-shit
Tell me OP, how's middle-school treating you?
Saitama is all hard work
Saitama is a hard worker.
Given that the talent section lists genetics, and saitama's work out was noted as being a normal training routine, there's a good chance his genetics played a role in how his body developed in reaction to the training, and not so much the training itself.
Gon is hard work you retard
Don't you dare let him be near the right
>genetics
No. It's the nature's law of Saitama's universe. He became super strong because he surpassed his own limits suffering near-death experiences in his training and constant stress.
That's not genetics you retard.
the queen of /hardwork/
Kenichi is pure hard work and no talent, move him to the left.
>this shit thread again
Why is naturo to the left of Asta?
Motoko Kusangi? Have to disagree considering her whole entire body is cyber enhanced.
>Normal training routine
You try it then faggot
Where would he be?
kenshiro should be in hard work, he wasn't special birthwise
No wonder Osamu is a boring MC and the plot of WT never moves.
Gon is a seinen MC
>Normal training routine
I wanna see you lazy ass withstand the summer without AC,
he did it every single day from 0 in less than ideal conditions like the middle of summer with no air conditioner and winter with no heater even if he was vomiting blood
he trained so hard all his hair fell off
also he only ate a banana in the morning
You can swim in swimming pool
>Gon is in weekly shounen jump
>Seinen
Learn how magazines work.
why are these horrible powerlevel threads allowed
The middle section. He ain't completely talentless.
Very hard training indeed, his regime is brutal.
Most people would give up after a week of that.
>Gon is hard work you retard
No, OP placed him correctly. The dude who forcibly activated Gon's Nen said that Gon and Killua are both freakishly talented compared to most people. Also, the way Gon won his fight with Pitou was a complete asspull.
>saitama in genetics
HE WORKED SO FUCKING HARD HE BECAME BALD, NIGGA FUCK YOU
he's being a memelord
>Born a mage, which make up a single-digit percentage of the population by the early 2000s.
>Plot armor to survive his hypocritical SEIJI NO MIKATA teen years
>But also is only naturally talented in reinforcement magic that he hardens down on and enhances to projection that goes toe to toe with Heroic Spirits
Hard middle.
>Implying that hard work is the cause of Saitama's baldness
Dude is in his mid-20s. It ain't unheard of for people to naturally go bald at that age. People just assume his training was the cause.
Where would y'all put Alucard? Does eating people count as training?
soma is 100% hardwork, every single thing he learned was from getting his ass beat
Saitama is asspull.
>100 sit-ups, 100 squats, 100 push-ups, and running 10 kilometers every day
Its impressive, but not superhuman. The rep count is pretty high, but it's all bodyweight exercises.
Running 10 km is a commitment, but not an insane one. It's not even close to what marathon runners train for, for example. It's also probably the hardest on here.
100 pushups is tough until you get used to it - at some point, you just get really good at doing lots of pushups. Lots of pushups are a bootcamp stable.
100 squats is a little easier. It's probably inferior to using weights and fewer reps, though.
100 sit-ups is easiest. I mean... even I could do it.
Ultimately, his routine is in the range of hobby bodybuilding, and falls well short of what a triathlete does, let alone BUD/s or whatever insane shit the Spetsnaz do.
If you get anywhere near powerful or good enough to beat or threaten big shots then that falls under genetics or asspul.
Her intellect is her strength.
Team Talent
>bruh ketchup
Why is Ken-chan not on the left?
If anyone deserves to he on the left it's him.
>Implying the exercises he listed are what made him strong.
It was actually the monsters he fought during the 10km jogs that did the trick.
Hinomaru also belongs on the far left. Dude holds his own against guys who are infinitely more talented than him.
>Most people would give up after a week of that.
It's kinda light next to the shit you see real athletes do. It's kinda balanced and decent for an average joe but athletes would say it's lightweight.
>hard work
>plot armor and deus ex machina author feat is hard work
Goblin slayer belongs in the middle. His opponents are all sub-human, so the fact that he has the strength and intellect of a grown man counts as an OP talent.
>strength and intellect of a grown man
Above average physical strength and endurance and below average intelligence. He's all talent and luck.
ITT fat asses who never work out in their life think saitama's routine is hard
Say whatever you want about his straight-laced personality, but there's nothing boring about watching an earnest character trying to claw his way towards his goals using nothing but the shitty hand he was dealt.
>Team Talent
Really? He was born as an ordinary human. His supernatural abilities only developed because of his actions.
>luck
GS is 0% luck. See the manga panel in pic related.
Homura seems like she'd be in the middle. While her wish gave her timestop, she doesn't have any offensive magic and had to compensate by making bombs/using normal guns.
His Reality Marble was created as a byproduct of his inherent Origin and the trauma from the fire rather than any conscious effort towards making it. Granted, he went on to train his ass off refining the ability after he was made conscious of it, so middle.
>Developed because of his actions
No, they didn't. You could say that in the sense that he consciously chose to make a contract with Satan, but he just happened to be in the right place at the right time (or vice-versa, it was all horrifically traumatic) to be a perfect vessel that opposed God. He was entirely granted his powers by a higher being rather than working within the rules of the world to obtain them.
GS can ignore the god rolls, how isn't that luck/asspull?
Alucard would never make it to his level on pure hardwork, hardwork has limits.
Only osamu deserves to be on team hardwork, he's build himself up to be decent yet can't do much by himself compared to real talented ones.
WT doesn't have plot armor, half of the fights end with the MC getting fucking 360 noscoped through a wall by a sniper genius.
See
You can literally see his hair falling out as he works out
>Naruto
>hardwork
I think one of the rules of that universe is that when you achieve true strength, your hair abandons you. It happened to Superalloy Darkshine too.
now what about Bell-kun
Luffy should be on the left just because of how awful his DF is and how much he had to work to make ti useful.
Tsuna should be one the right because the entire series is just handing people powerups every arc.
Kenichi is the hardest worker there is and he has zero talent.
Kenshin should be on the left. Nothing he's ever done was because of luck and not his skill.
Natsu has only ever shown to actually train once (mostly off-panel) and is two of the strongest races in existence and also a third so I don't know why he's in the middle.
He worked pretty hard learning the Rasengan and Shadow Clone even though that's all he ever worked for.
>how awful his DF is
????
>Implying it wasn't falling out all day long.
>Implying shaking can't fee up loose hair
Fair point. Garou is another example. His hair turns into horns once he gets close to breaking his limiter.
>GS can ignore the god rolls, how isn't that luck/asspull?
Strategy != luck/asspull.
It's been a while since I've read Goblin Slayer, is that page a metaphor or are the gods actual forces manipulating the story? Last I've seen GS was clearing out goblin hideouts with basic traps, limited spells from his party members, and whatever weapons he could get his hands on.
Ironically Saitama is the only person on this pic who trained genuinely hard. He did it literally every single day and never had a/c the whole time he did it and on a NEET budget so ate nothing but something like a small portion of french fries and tap water every day.
How can you put Deku left to Asta?
Must be MHAtard. :\
Saitama is 100% hardwork, more than Goblin Slayer and more than everyone on the middle part.
His whole shtick is that he levels up superhumanly fast. The first skill he develops is just puberty x10. That qualifies as talent, but he is also very hard working, so he belongs in the middle.
The manga doesn't say much about the gods, but I've heard the LN alludes to the gods playing some sort of tabletop roleplaying game like d&d. GS is a weird NPC that they never need to roll for because he doesn't act unless the outcome is already certain.
>I've heard
To clarify, I'm only a manga reader. Everything I said about the LN in that post is just what I heard from other anons, so take it with a grain of salt.
Sumo dwarf for sure deserves to be on the left.
I just mentioned Kenichi, because he is in the middle.
>be stretchy
>resistant to blunt attacks
He can't even manually stretch himself. He has to fling that body part forward to do anything. Put that against things like Buggy or Ace and he might as well not even have one.
>manga narration contradicts manga
Typical of bad writing
It's strategy that's nonsensical and relies on luck to work.
He always acted after thinking and planning. This prevented the gods from affecting him with dice rolls.
So, what? Literally no fucking other person in the setting bothers to think or plan? Fuck off. You can spend 3 days straight "planning" to shoot the bad guy in the face with your god-slaying arrow, but when the time comes to make the attack you are still making a roll motherfucker.
Constantly planning does not mean failure is impossible. Rather, over-planning is a potential source of failure. All because someone plans, it doesn't mean luck doesn't exist. In fact, there's an old saying that
>No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.
Thus for everything to work perfectly, there needs to be some degree of luck that no unaccounted variables interfere or prior assumptions aren't violated.
>Shonen and power level shit
>Random Madoka
>opm trained his ass off from a faggot
>kenshiro trained to in his martial art to get those fuck you powers too.
> youcould only think of two examples of hard work with no bs? the hell?
Honestly saitama's training is pretty solid
Also missing the whole point of the show this hard. The whole idea that his hard work and dedication got him fuck you powers.
Maybe
Naruto deku, luffy, ichigo and asta = asspull
You have to consider to the average flabby peon with no notion of real athletic training, doing such a thing is probably as big a deal as Saitama thought it was in his head.
More like asta > naruto deku luffy ichigo = asspull
Fuck off Clovercuck
I think you need a section that says hard work+talent+passion. Insert pic related.
I see. Only read the manga as well and the only thing I remember coming close to being lucky was GS managing to get back up after getting bludgeoned by a giant ogre.
It doesn't deserve to be grouped into a shonenshit chart.
Goblin Slayer and OPM should be removed so that it could truly be a shonenshit chart.
Put natsu in team talent
>hobby bodybuilding
Yeah but it's not something that non hobby bodybuilders can do from a starting point of 0 EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY without wrecking their bodies to the point where they can't do it even if they wanted to.
They are gods manipulated fate, gs is asspull for not being affected just because he sets up some stuff.
Sports are basically shouneshit so it belongs there.
Didn't he get magic powers as a result of having Avalon inside of him for years?
Why isn't the background for Team Hardwork a blown up picture of Rock Lee?
Peco belongs in the middle. There are already multiple characters in the middle with those traits. Souma and Deku are probably the best examples.
Life must be hard when you are that literal.
Have you ever heard the word "metaphor"?
Both him and Killua are the sons of some of the strongest people in their world. It's all genetics with them.
That literally IS genetics you retard.
Saber belongs firmly in team asspull. I only played the fate route but every single one of her fights are solved with some new bullshit sword that comes out of nowhere or getting a semen power up.
Shouldn't Goku be further on the left than Deku?
I think Eren Yeager could be on team Hard Work.
>His genetics let him get that powerful!
>B-but it’s not talent
Seething.
Luffy, Asta, Soma go into hardwork.
Asta trained his whole life physically. The book can't be an ass-pull because everyone gets one.
Soma has always been cooking with his dad in his restaurant, taught and trained by one of the best chefs.
Luffy spent lots of time training, doesn't win every fight to this day, still training with seastone cuffs on him.
Not him, but it's useless to overplan if said plan doesn't cover the plan's vulnerabilities, especially the ones that do get exploited.
Planning is a way to attempt to increase one's winning chances, and/or to establish or increase the universe of favorable/desirable options, and/or to restrict the opponent's universe. The one who's winning is setting the pace, is establishing control, the one who's losing is reacting to the enemy, is losing control. By increasing control, and/or planning ahead, one reduces the influence of luck, the margin for error.
Planning is not useless.
>Liu Bei, then a guest in Yuan Shao's army, suggested that he instigate rebellion in Cao Cao's territories as many followers of Yuan were in Cao's lands. The tactic was initially successful but Man Chong's diplomatic skills helped to resolve the conflict almost immediately. Man Chong had been placed as an official there for this specific reason, as Cao Cao had foreseen the possibility of insurrection prior to the battle.
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Saitama beat a giant crab monster before he began training. It was always in him to surpass all others in strength.
Team smart work.
He only won that because Crablante had a huge easily exploitable weakness.
Souma and Asta both had luck. Souma is lucky to be the child of an OP father who could teach him to cook. Asta is lucky for getting an ultra-rare 5 leaf grimoire and overpowered anti-magic powers.
Both belong in the middle. I don't know shit about one piece, so I can't rebut what you said about Luffy.
Team talent should be expanded to include characters like pic related who received overpowered equipment as a gift from God.
Being able to work hard is a talent in itself. Most people are born lazy and will never be able to do so.
Osamu should be Team Struggle.
>all these people defending their favorite series
Get over it.
>GS can ignore the god rolls, how isn't that luck/asspull?
No, he doesn't. You take that quote too literally. What it means is he would never take chances hence would never let the Gods decide his fate with the dice.
Not that user but are you stupid? How exactly is that genetics?
It was stated he was a complete average guy, and trained so hard to the point of almost dying everyday.
>he would never take chances
Yeah? He never go into monster's lair without knowing exactly what monsters are in there? He never has to put himself at risk so one of his plan can succeed? He always knows exactly what's going to happen next and has figured out how he's going to deal with it?
That manga must be fucking boring then.
>trained so hard to the point of almost dying everyday.
it's a completely ordinary routine. Even the manga says so.
It wasn't for him retard, that's the whole fucking point, it's stated that it made him experience death every day until he broke his limiter. Literally the hardest worker
>it's stated
where?
When zombieman is speaking to the Dr from the house of evolution about limiters.
When Psykos is explaining how orochi reached his peak to Garou.
When Saitama explains what he went through on his regime.
Those are the ones that come to mind, read the manga idiot
what about Jil
It would be only ordinary for superhumans.
Meant to reply to It's time to sleep for me I guess
I've read the manga, and all Saitama says is that it's so hard at the start you might want to miss a day.
This isn't even half as hard as what professional athletes put themselves through every day.
Hardwork for sure
Gon is a one in a billion talent and prodigy. That's how he surpassed someone with a ton of talent who had been training for years in just a few days.
>Be unfit glasses boy
>Your mana reserves are so low you shouldn't even be in a combat role
> train hard, but is competing with people that train just as hard, in an environment that encourage sharing of skills, knowledge and tactics.
>Those people have years of training on you ald plenty of mana and special talents on top.
Being Osamu is sufferring.
>Very hard training indeed, his regime is brutal.
It's literally said that his training is just normal strength training and isn't even that intense.
No you dumb faggot, the sword thing only happens once. Are you talking about her getting avalon back? That's not a sword.
>semen power up
How are these asspulls?
It's also not clear if that 100 in one go, or 100 over the full day.
Run 1km, do 10 pushups, 10 squats, 10 sit-ups, and repeat 10 times.
>Yeah? He never go into monster's lair without knowing exactly what monsters are in there? He never has to put himself at risk so one of his plan can succeed? He always knows exactly what's going to happen next and has figured out how he's going to deal with it?
That's the whole point. He plans and uses tactics rather than just rushing in depending on ability and luck. Sure his plans don't always turn out right but his plan is never just go with the flow and see what happens.
Each time something goes wrong he creates a new plan to adapt to the new situation. Including running away to regroup and reequip when he can.
He uses single use items when he needs it, buys disposable equipment, has no attachment to any of his tools.
He kills goblins in the most effective manner possible given the world he lives in.
Bullshit. She's only powerful because of Gunbuster being bonkers powerful.
Put her in anything else and she's toast.
Real hard work allows you to go above weapons/tools. With no superweapon crutch to lean on.
No he just became too strong that's it
Well done, you realised something that the characters in the fucking show pointed out at the exact point at which saitama revealed his training plan.
One of PPTA's key themes is about how hard work can never overcome true talent. Peco only became a truly great player when he started working hard to fulfill his potential. If anyone from ping pong should be used as an example of hard work it's Kazama or Smile
Via asspull
>He doesn't know the real Buster Machine is within the heart of its pliot.
As much as I love Druaga, I don't remember Jil doing anything aside for convincing others to take action.
Luffy is solidly middle.
>CoC (implication that lineage can influence it)
>VoaT
>Just happens to run into the right people and befriend them his entire life (plot asspull)
Certainly has trained to use his combat powers.
>implying the Arachnid isn't all asspull
Advanced autism letting her use her dumb string tool that is literal magic along with being able to survive the entire series which mostly happens in one night that's just her getting her stomach punched in every fight
>hard training
also there's the fact that he didn't take any rest days
>Asta trained his whole life physically. The book can't be an ass-pull because everyone gets one.
This. Asta turned his disability into something useful. Everyone gets a book but Asta wouldn't even be able to use his without 10+ years of training his ass off.
>Asta is lucky for getting an ultra-rare 5 leaf grimoire and overpowered anti-magic powers.
This
Except Anti-magic isn't overpowered compared to experienced magic users and nobles with absurd reserves of mana. They have several advantages over Asta even after he transforms.
>below average intelligence
???
Not to mention the Witch Queen unlocking his Black Asta form
>Kenshiro
>That close to hard work
Does HOKUTO SOKE STATUE ring a bell to you?
>there are stronger people so the power he got handed to him and further unlocked as a power up isn't overpowered
Shounenfags
You could tell Yea Forums made this even without Final Crisis Superman