what was the deal with this show? I swear halfway through the season the focus and all the characters changed completely.
It started off as a series of gags with no real continuity about how both of the main characters were too proud to confess to the other, even though they both knew they liked each other. Episodes started off divided into a couple of fairly unrelated skits that'd throw them into some scenario where they'd try get the other one to confess, and hilarity would ensue and yada yada
But then the gag/skit formula was dropped entirely and the episodes became much more connected and a plot started to form. Bit of a weird change in format but it makes sense. But this was also accompanied by the two leads changing personalities entirely. Suddenly they both went from proud to deeply insecure. Their schemes to get the other one to confess to "win" the war of love, which was the central theme and the entire humour of the first half of the season, turned into them just being too shy. The mindgames devolved into just "I'll wait for him/her to message me first". The focus and theme of the show changed entirely.
Basically, the first few chapters were establishing the premise of two overly shy and proud idiots who love each other, being unable to be upfront about their feelings, and coming up with ridiculous schemes to try to make the other confess, after that it starts establishing more story arcs, character development and so on. After the anime ends, in the manga the continuity is stronger too, but there are still simple mindgame chapters here and there although that also stops being entirely mindgame focused and not "try not to spill your spaghetti, because they start being unable to hide their own feelings properly, after many events that reinforce their love for one another.
characters are allowed to do more than just one thing over and over
Michael Gutierrez
that's cause it's a pretty dump premisse also bad writing the only positive aspect are the cute girls
Carson Allen
>Suddenly they both went from proud to deeply insecure You get it, but the point is, that's how they were from the start. They're both different, in the way that Prez' image is just an act, and Kaguya's falls apart as she becomes more infatuated with Prez. These are important points that are brought up all the time later in the manga.
Joseph Hernandez
that doesn't usually mean changing personality entirely. or the format of the entire show changing
they weren't shy at all in the first few chapters. they were both smirking at each other and trying to trick each other into confessing. can you imagine kaguya by the end of the anime(whatever arc that is) saying "I might say yes [to a movie date] if you asked me formally." she'd blush and squeal and run off the moment shirogane even hinted at going to the movie together.
Joshua Thompson
still better than tobun
Thomas Collins
>the only positive aspect are the cute girls You sound like you're too retarded to judge a manga on anything relating to writing, so why do you even bother?
That'd make sense for their behaviour, but even their internal monologues changed completely. It went from basically "With X plan get them to confess and eat out of my hand!!!" arrogant-scheming type shit to mopey, insecure "I h-hope they text first".
I get that people can lie to themselves even in their heads, but it just feels to me more like the author just decided he was bored of the format of the series he had and decided to switch to a more standard SOL rom-com format, including the character archetypes.
Brandon Clark
it's not my fault you have shitty taste otter
Parker Peterson
>It went from basically "With X plan get them to confess and eat out of my hand!!!" arrogant-scheming type shit to mopey, insecure "I h-hope they text first". That first aspect still exists in these two, the second comes into play whenever they haven't cooked up some elaborate scheme, in which case they're just ordinary, awkward teenagers.
Elijah Lee
We should shun these anime-only faggots whenever they spout uninformed and stupid opinions
Jaxson Powell
you just literally stated the series, and what makes it so grat and its called developing the story and characters, thank god its not of those series that is the same thing over and over again
Michael Sanchez
not even close but nice try
Jason Phillips
I see what you mean. It was the first serious arc in the manga, so it might seem a little out of place. Their mindsets don't actually change permanently, nor do they stop having games over petty things. But you are right, the author didn't want to stick to the formula for too long and abandoned it for the most part. But, as most manga readers will tell you, it was for the better. Everything that came after firworks was great.
Camden Peterson
It's a romcom that tries to take itself too serious. The first couple episode you mentioned are its peak. It all goes down from the fireworks arc in the manga too.
Alexander Sullivan
or you actually having shitty taste
David Bell
>But then the gag/skit formula was dropped entirely and the episodes became much more connected and a plot started to form.
Welcome to the what a billion and 2 manga do at the beginning.
> Story starts off with some weak premise > Author finds his bearings and finally has a handle for the direction of the story > Following chapters become more impactful and relevant to the overarching storyline
You see this in so many shonen that start out as gag manga then move on to be battle manga, like Katekyo Hitman Reborn. Heck, even YuYu Hakusho went through this somewhat.
Julian Cruz
they didnt changed
Caleb Taylor
this Fujiwara is the only saving grace
Chase Williams
it all goes down down from there ???? LOL nice joke
John Harris
not this
Xavier Jackson
>dump premisse >bad writing >cute girls I think you mistake this for a gotobun thread.
Luke Reyes
it's so rare to see a romcom manga executed well. they all drag on for AGES and then still end on a sudden note with no satisfying conclusion.
Jeremiah Hughes
they don't change you just learn more about them
Matthew Carter
They both regressed. The last episode made me laugh at the forced cringe drama, too. Boo hoo, poor fucking rich girl that doesn't ever have to work a day in her life or worry about bills and other actually important shit CRYING because she can't see some dumb fucking fireworks.
Beginning of anime Kaguya > Retarded Whiny Firework arc Kaguya
Brandon Jones
it still doesnt go down
Jeremiah Nguyen
>Boo hoo, poor fucking rich girl that doesn't ever have to work a day in her life or worry about bills >you cannot ever be unhappy if you have money Based commie poster.
Zachary Martin
You really shouldn't trust in everything the narrator and the characters say. It's made pretty obvious some times.
Jace Edwards
Most rich are substantially more happy than does that are not I know with certainty that my life would be much happier if I had high class chefs preparing my every meal and maids wiping my ass
Brandon Wood
All the animeonlyfags in this thread wow
Wyatt Nelson
Reading manga doesn't make you cooler, virgin elitist fucking cuck
Liam Russell
And so fucking what? In the end, there are still rich people who get depressed, lose themselves in drugs, or just outright kill themselves. Money doesn't have any usefulness past the point where you don't have to care about feeding yourself anymore. Money can't buy you happiness. It also depends on the person.
Hunter Powell
Also, the chapters had continuity since the very beginning of the manga, but the anime skipped a lot. Also, you noticed the difference more since similar batches were tied togheter. So the wrong impression that you got is that it suddenly made a 180° in its structure, while the developments and the change in the pacing were slow and perfecly natural.
She literally addresses your bullshit argument. Just because she has all the money in the world doesn't mean she can buy meaningful relationships with the people she wants. The anime pretty clearly drives it home that she's been overly sheltered for her entire life and thus she's never had any meaningful relationships or good experiences with people she truly cares about.
It's has all the redundant tropes a typical romcom but kaguyafags will herald this as some sort of deconstruction.
>rich girl unhappy because of strict family wants to have meaningful relationship with others >hardworking poor poorfag >lame otaku "literally me" who is misunderstood because of his past >moe big tit mischievous girl It's all right as long as you don't take it too serious.
James Ross
When will they leave?
Nathan Torres
What's the point of being rich if she is lonely,not allowed to leave home and her father doesn't give a fuck about her?
Eli Fisher
I wouldn't go as far to say deconstruction but they do use the tropes in more creative ways than romcoms are used to. Being on a seinen magazine also helps that it doesn't want to pander to teenagers, the usual target of this style.
Cooper Scott
poor thing that cant see pacing and development.
Sebastian Young
i read the manga and watched the anime and op is still wrong
Austin Hughes
Bittee poorfag, flip some more burgers.
Luis Reyes
Food can't replace a social life.
Easton Williams
They're both dorks, but they are indeed shy. They can act tough when putting up a front and coming up with plans to cover that up, but if they actually need to own up to it, they just break.
Gavin Thompson
>Animefags When will you secondaries understand that your opinions are next to worthless?
Justin Garcia
When will you hold hands with an actual living person?
That is because you have what she does not, and she has what you do not. The poor might have unstable housing, and may just barely be able to afford cheap food, but whenever a poor person makes a human connection, it's real. Someone born rich might never have a real human connection in their entire life.
Carter Hall
anhero animeonly
Joshua Jenkins
I can see why you'd think that, and it's totally possible that that's how it actually went in the author's head, but here's a different narrative that I think fits better.
In the first couple manga chapters, Aka played his premise totally straight: the two are "battling" to try and force a show of affection out of the other. Then, in the third (?) chapter, with the riddles, we get to see a totally different format. The conflict in that chapter was not between Kaguya and Prez, but instead, it was entirely inside Prez' head. He was psyching himself out over fucking RIDDLES and finally ended up burning himself out trying to learn how to answer them. That was the real first chapter of the manga, as far as the true plot goes: how two teens who live way too much in their own heads learn to interact with the real world in better and better ways (i.e. not so destructive). After this real premise is revealed, the manga naturally turns into more of a romcom, because (as we see, especially later) focusing on this whole "ha ha I will dominate the other" deal is dumb and counterproductive. But that's not a result of the characters suddenly about-facing, or a result of Aka getting bored of writing the story the way he was writing it, but a natural result of the true premise of the manga: that putting up those kinds of defenses and trying too hard to "win" all the time is only going to prevent you from connecting with others. And that, despite the prickly show that the two initially tried to put on at first, is what they really wanted.
That's not to say that Aka hasn't rethought or reworked things as he's gone. I betchu he has. The core (hidden) premise of the manga is not something he's reworked, however, unless we're going to say he came up with a premise and only got two chapters in before he got bored. That's the piece that stretches the imagination a little harder.
tl;dr read the manga
Liam Torres
I only just finished the anime. >also it's called Yea Forums
Ian Gutierrez
Watching a commercial for 1/3rd of the manga does not make you worth listening to.
Correct, but adaptations are never better than the original.
Jose Thomas
based and redpilled
Austin Perez
Is this supposed to be an insult?The anime skipped and reordered a bunch of chapters making a lot of scenes work less effectively without proper context. A lot of people will claim that it doesn't matter because the earlier parts were less continuity heavy, but the continuity is easily one of the best aspects of the series. If things seem inconsistent or rushed blame the adaptation. And read the manga
Caleb Sullivan
oops just came back to the thread and never realized I replied to the wrong person. My post was meant for if it wasn't obvious.
