I why are Shonen final villains so underwhelming?
I why are Shonen final villains so underwhelming?
Kayden Reyes
Cameron Parker
because the authors don't know how to properly write endings
Madara, Acnologia, and Yhwach were all wasted
Easton Price
Madara wasn't even the real final villain. Which was retarded.
Liam Thompson
Camden Morris
By the time the hit the final villain, they're probably out of ideas... so they just default to walking power levels and forces of nature.
Writing the end (and the villain at the end) is just as important as the journey.
Brayden Russell
Too often they tend to be the natural endpoint of a progressively worse power creep. The scale and stakes are high, but there's rarely any personal connection or flavour other than "they're some kind of God, I guess." The only way to defeat them is "PUNCH HARDER", "All the friends we made along the way beam!" or "More lasers!"
Zatch Bell was the worst offender for me, since it pulled this shit out of nowhere, for no reason other than "Well, shit. I guess we defeated the previous big villain, but let's see how much further we can go".
Brayden White
Oliver Roberts
>Writing the end (and the villain at the end) is just as important as the journey.
As long as shonen battle manga can only be profitable by stretching themselves out for as long as they can, this will never change. It's a problem with the publication system itself rather than the writing.
Carter Kelly
the only underwhelming thing about Ywach was how he was defeated, and not even that much once you consider that the arrow hit him via Ishida's Antithesis, and that's why Ywach couldnt predict it.
For the rest, he was an unbeatable powerhouse who slayed the strongest shinigami, murdered thousands and totally felt like the final big baddie.
Kaguya on the other hand had no buildup or whatsoever, and her only power was lolpocketdimesion
Leo Martinez
Because it's always fucking somebody who shows up out of nowhere
Imagine having Aizen be built up forever and then he's not actually the final boss. What the fuck was that? Same goes for the ending of naruto with none of the main villains of the series Orochimaru, Obito or Madara being the final enemy.
It's hard to care about the ending when it's somebody you barely know or care about being defeated
Lincoln Myers
Is there even a single Shonen that has a satisfying ending?
Logan Clark
Nope. The only way to kill a successful battle shonen is to have it axed. It's never going to be as good as a well-planned from the start and properly built up ending.
Alexander Fisher
right here
Josiah Cooper
Kinnikuman.
DBZ before Super
Jeremiah Thompson
Just have the final villain be the only main villain.
Chase Brooks
The kaguya bullshit was a huge slap on the face.
Achnologia was in the hands of Mashima. He never would have turned out good from the get go.
Henry Evans
Oh, please. People hated the Buu saga and what followed.
Jordan Myers
Dragonball before Z
Dylan Murphy
FMA
Mob Psycho
Nathan Ortiz
every jojo part
Anthony Baker
Hunter x Hunter if you ignore that the manga exists
Jaxon Torres
there is no dragon ball before Z you retard, that's just the anime. There is no Z in the manga, Buu was the end of Dragon Ball
Gabriel Gonzalez
Zatch Bell's ending was great despite the the final boss coming out of the blue and the final powerup basically being an asspull.
None of the others that I can name are battle oriented.u
Nathan Peterson
FMA
Dominic Rogers
I think the problem is most authors don’t expect their series to go on that long.
Adrian Collins
Shield Hero
Hudson Richardson
This right there.
FMA's final antagonist was built up through the series and took a concerted effort of not just the main cast, but whole groups of people working in tandem with them to reverse Father's keikaku. A war on multiple fronts that cost several members of the cast.
Charles Bell
Could madara had beaten kaguya though? this is assuming both could exist at the same time
Adam Smith
Who even is the final boss of Shield hero?
Andrew Johnson
Crippling trust issues.
Caleb Adams
Yhwach > Aizen
Lincoln Cox
it ended after jumping the shark.
a bit late but not too late, it was a nice ending.
Jeremiah Bennett
I think coming up with main characters and big worlds and plenty of extra characters is easy and fun buy making a good final villain is much more challenging.
Often long shounens are made to last a while, the main focus is to keep them going and there's always meant to be another arc but when they finally get to the end many authors didn't have things planned out.
Zachary Howard
That's why you show the final boss from the beginning.
Dominic Lee
Animus was garbage
Ryder Bailey
Many people seethe over part6 ending.
Jonathan King
Because then Yea Forums would make a thread on why the MCs are so overwhelmingly weak because they're not kicking the villain's butt "fast enough". You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't
Lucas Gomez
How they manage to defeat anti-spirals was very stupid
Christian Jones
Because they aren't Hao
Jack Parker
Don't forget The Demon King from Seven Deadly Sins.
Luke Hughes
and thats a good thing
Liam Miller
Only people with bad taste hate the Buu saga, first of all.
DBZ also escapes the trope completely if you consider each arc is written to be the last. As far as the viewer knows, the villain of the day is the ultimate threat though of course it could be extended later if the editor wants to, but that's unlike a modern series where there's obviously more to come as they didn't even become hokage. You already expect it to be a sub-finale.
Unless you didn't like DBZ or the villain in the first place, there's a proper built-up sendoff. That is whether it's Frieza, Cell or Buu. Super doesn't count as the formula only went up to Beerus movie.
Cameron Baker
Acnologia wasn’t to bad. He at least got a decent fight.
Alexander Murphy
What fight? All he did was beat around the slayers and then Natsu one shots him with bullshit. The only so called fight I could think of he actually had was against Igneel.
Henry Green
i thought the final battle with father was super underwhelming. i just kept thinking to myself, "that's it?"
Logan Thomas
It's about the journey, not the destination.
Jason Murphy
JoJo Part 4
Josiah Perry
Acnologia was pretty sad. It felt like they just went "oh shit, I have to end it now, so here it goes", and he goes down like a wet noodle.
Elijah Jackson
I mean, they all had real, physical bodies while Acnologia was just his spirit. It’s not like they defeated him when he could fight at even 5% of his power.
Carter Cruz
Luis Morris
cause they've used up all the good ideas by the end
Isaiah Wood
Nisekoi
Cooper Evans
This is the real reason. These manga are milked until there’s nothing left.
Jonathan Thomas
>"He was the most terrifying enemy (...)"
>claiming that "the previous enemy was stronger"
No need for that to create a good challenge.
Jaxson Allen
This opponent (and the one that comes after the rematch with Sayaka) wasn't as terrifying as Maya, Kukuru, Fuyuyu or Meiko.
Leo Morris
absolutely correct answer
Ryan Allen
Shonen anime are designed to go as possible. The MC might of beaten someone you envisioned as the final boss, but the story must go on. So you get more and more power creep until you run out of ideas and have a wimper of an ending.
Austin Brown
Toriko's ending was rushed but it satisfied me.
Kevin Jackson
Due the viewers extreme high hopes
Gavin Harris
Because most manga are either axed before a planned ending or the editor asks the author to stretch it beyond the planned ending. Not even gonna get into authors making shit up as they go along.
William Cox
Almost all battle shounen go past their best-before date
Juan Barnes
This, the amount of absolute bullshit that happened in the final stretch was amazing and the epilogue is superb.
Brandon Sanders
That doesn't help at all or refute how he didn't e end get a real fight.
Julian Ortiz
Why they pushed Toriko so hard I don’t know.
Gavin Roberts
Charles Miller
Madara was okay in terms of threat and likability.
Logan Perez
No. As with most Japanese fiction shit from the moon >>>>>>> anything from earth. Naruto and Sasuke only won due to inheriting shit from the moon.
Benjamin Williams
He most definitely could have. Kaguyas only advantage was massive chakra levels, and Madara had that + a better space time jutsu, more fighting experience, and could probably seal her too.
Julian White
HAHAHA