Vinland Saga

>HARR HARR HARR I AM A BIG TUFF SEA NIGGER STEALING AND RAPING EVERY SHORE!!
>HARR HARR HARR I MADE A MOTHER OUT OF THAT WHORE!!
>... fuck I'm a daddy now. I cannot let my child grow in such a terrible world.. maybe.. maybe I was wrong all along?
>oh shit, my rape buddy's longboat is coming into port.....
>*dies*

Every story arc in Vinland Saga.

>greatest and manlinest story ever told
It was never great. People liked it only because of the cool fights, original settting, edgy MC and some historical facts. Then the athor decided to throw it all away to turn the MC into a hippy and preach pacifism.

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That IS the manly part, and its what he was doing all along baka

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It's so weird to me that Knud becomes Canute when translated into English.
Those two sound nothing alike.

Literal HxH child.

Hxh is Togashi's weakest work.

Nah, that shit made me see life in a different lens. I still do boxing and sparring sometimes, but I don't ever intend on doing matches now because of the manga.

Knud? tf surely you mean Knut? and also WHAT THE FUCK I never realized the king was called Knut

Pussy

>Hey user, is there a reason you aren’t currently reading the greatest and manlinest story ever told?
Next chapter never ever.

>99% of her dialogue
>"hur dur I'm watching you"

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Matches=Fight for death? Could you please explain? I am interested in your point of view

Fun fact: Almost everybody even slightly related to English or Danish noble houses is related to Canute. Not an heir, but still.

That bitch needs Thorfinns fist in her face

No, Knud. Knut would be the Norwegian spelling, Knud is the Danish one. The "d" is soft.
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While we're at it, Sweyn is Svend with the native spelling and pronunciaton.

This. Fucking retard OP probably hasn't even read the whole thing.

She's just a tsundere.. I love her

There's no point to hurt other people like that to prove your own strength. There's absolutely no point in destroying people to see who's stronger. I love people, and just because other people may be strangers to me doesn't mean they're people with feelings and such too. They don't want to get hurt, they want to prove their strength too, or they have an agenda, but even those feelings and thoughts can be changed through new perspectives and insight.

At the age of 17 I started MMA and after a few months of going religiously in the pursuit of getting deadlier and more dangerous I started looking for fights. I'd play chicken with people walking in the opposite direction and do minor shit like that, and due to overtraining I was always angry. I would literally be in a scowl everytime someone wasn't talking to me. I also visualized hitting people with different techniques a lot. I kinda relate to Thorfinn's journey 'cause I also stopped wanting to hurt and dominate.

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yeah I know, but danes are scum and their language needs to die. Knut is better

damn wtf I butchered the English language my bad. lemme redo it
There's no point in hurting other people like that to prove your own strength. There's absolutely no point in destroying people to see who's stronger. I love people, and just because other people may be strangers to me doesn't mean they're people without feelings and such. They don't want to get hurt, they want to prove their strength too, or they have an agenda, but even those feelings and thoughts can be changed through new perspectives and insight.

At the age of 17 I started MMA and after a few months of going religiously in the pursuit of getting deadlier and more dangerous I started looking for fights. I'd play chicken with people walking in the opposite direction and do minor shit like that, and due to overtraining I was always angry. I would literally be in a scowl everytime someone wasn't talking to me. I also visualized hitting people with different techniques a lot. I kinda relate to Thorfinn's journey 'cause I also stopped wanting to hurt and dominate. oh and I had a "if you're weak you deserve to die" mentality

Oi, ya' better watch yer mouth, nerd.

You should give fighting games a go, if you're still interested in that whole "proving yours strength" deal. It's a perfectly harmless way to do something very similar.

I play Brawlhalla but it's just to see if I can get the edge on reading my opponents. If I play really annoyingly because I feel like it and I know the other person is really having a shitty time because he wants people to engage I'll jump off and kill myself when I get bored and give him the W

I feel ya breh.
I was always a bicc boi, 6'3" at 360 lbs. Even though i was a fatty people dont really mess with you when you have a resting bitch face + size.
I lost 120 pounds around 19 yo during 10 months. I got down to 15% bf and stared working harder and harder at the gym. I wanted to be stronger than those aphatetic dolls around me (edgy I know). I began to seek conflict, I wanted to know what being stronger was.
That's when I found this wonderful manga. It may seem silly but it's themes taught me so much about how a man should behave and why strenght is worth obtaining.
I live this manga so much.
Gundrid a cute.

I remember being like that after I finished my service

can't wait to hear how they butcher the names in the anime

>Suwain Fuorkobeedo

I understand your point, I really do. But fighting in general is not really something entirely bad. It is part of human nature. There is nothing bad with matches if it's official and clean. Funny enough I do have a similar experience like you, just switched. I started with karate after long time of being bullied to learn to fight. But I wanted to follow the philosophy of non aggressison so bad bc it was also a major aspect of karate. When I was bullied I did not fight. I regret that I didn't protect myself when I could have, just to follow some ideal. I later switched to MMA to learn realistic fighting and sparring. I still think that you never should hurt someone extremely in self defense but it is not something bad to protect yourself. That is why like the scene where Thorfinn protects Gardar and fights again, ultimately switching to bear hands. It completed his growth.

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You regret that you didn't fight back. That fact alone proves we're not the same, nor are you like Thorfinn. When you have to protect someone or stop people from hurting others then you can talk to them and if you fail you might not have the luxury of walking away to think carefully on how to act, and instead your only option might be to incapacitate the other person. It's a sacrifice you make by choosing to fight the other person, not a choice.

if you choose to fight someone who's trying to beat you up then you're forsaking them for yourself. You must really value others quite low and value yourself highly for you to do that.

You described Thors' character and literally no one else.

this is what i call lad behavior.

if you arent thinking like this, you arent a man yet. which is ok, but you should be trying to find yourself asap. go back and re read Vinland Saga again.

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I think you misunderstood that a bit. I regretted that I let myself be punched and hurt.
, without ever attacking or punching someone. I regretted that I did not protect myself, not that I acted out on a whim I never had.

I sometimes wish he had kept the longer hair.

But I seriously cannot understand how someone can read farmland saga and not think it's the peak of the manga.

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Literally this retard

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It's all so silly and goofy now.

Dude if you are at the receiving end, all you wanna do is get out of it. No offense but your view is kinda one-sided.

why did you regret it?

I do regret that I did not value myself high enough to fight back to end the bullying. No one should suffer through this stuff

Adult Thorfinn is perfect he is like a twunk version of Bjorn Andresen

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It's become incredibly bland since the end of the farming arc.

I gave up on it after the Farmville Story arc. Does it get any better when they actually go in search of Vinland?

I'll wait until he grows a beard

I hate her because she stands as an impediment to Yukimura putting Thorfinn in situations where his ability to follow his ideals is questioned. Thorfinn can't make mistakes because if he does, he gets a bolt in the back and dies.

DID someone say beard?

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Don't be doing this.

That's not how you stop bullying. You lack insight.

oh and I didn't read it wrong, I read and assumed the right thing.

If you're not fighting back, they'll keep doing it. Pretty basic.

it turned to shit after it introduced the pointless cockblocking female character

Let me guess you stop bullying by talking with your bullies? That does not work most of the times in rl. Often it helps to build up physique but that not always a guarantee. Some people only speak and react with violence

The pacifism is the manliest part though, because doing the hard thing because it is the right thing is what defines manliness

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Not that guy, but it's not about the bullying, there's something else that matters and i can't explain it because my english is bad, something like this

If you're being bullied, then yes, it is absolutely about the bullying.
You can preach pacifism and non-violence all you want, and that's fine and noble and all that, but don't act like defending yourself is somehow wrong or immoral.
If someone seeks to do you harm, you are well within your rights to use force to make them stop.

>Stop reading all that childish shonen and read something that will make you grow into a man.
Do you want me to read Vinland Saga or not? Make up your mind.
But seriously, is it worth it? I already read adult manga and this seems fairly juvenile.

>fairly juvenile
>Vinland saga
Naaaaaaaah

Yeah it's pretty damn good

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you're both wrong. I'm the guy that had the young Thorfinn image post, and the guy saying you're going about dealing with bullying wrong. Talking is just a means to convey your thoughts, is it not? Information is something more advanced. There's layers to human thinking. First comes the modern man, then the cave man, then the animal, then the reptilian.

Bullying comes from a need to correct what's not acceptable. The bully sees someone acting different in a negative or irksome way, and the bully goes to confront it, and often times the bullied person responds in a way that the bully didn't want, so he feels the only action left is to bother them either by hitting them or harassing. If you're able to understand your bully you can understand which actions or behaviour they don't like about you, and if you change yourself around them to accommodate, you can even befriend and change their way of thinking if they're reasonable enough.

Situations are more complicated ofc, and there are always different factors, but talking and fighting are not ways to deal with bullying. If you talk with your bullies but you still irk them, they will hit you on the spot, and if you fight back they might escalate and think "I need to eliminate this threat right now".

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let me point something out. If you win, the bully loses. If you lose, the bully doesn't necessarily win. The right path is one where neither of you lose. I had a bully mentality in HS but there wasn't anyone to bully in my school because I knew everyone from every class. Instead I'd point and laugh at random people in public because they were jogging like a sissy, or that one kid who had a fedora. I had a very tribalistic way of thinking. I went from not wanting to throw objects because if they came alive they'd be angry with me and hurt, to throwing pebbles at ants because I was bored

The tricky part of bullying is that bullies seldom pick on kids who know how to deal with bullies.

As for dealing with bullies, there's obviously no clear resolution. The majority of people deal with bullies by talking with them though. That's why they don't get bullied in the first place. The ones who do get targeted are the ones who for some reason don't know how to deflect a bully's attention.

I've never been bullied, but there's definitively been attempts to bully me. That's just how far it got though. Attempts.

>Bullying comes from a need to correct what's not acceptable
Or a need to feel superior.
Or wanting to belong to a group via a shared "menace" that they can pick on (them vs us mentality).
Or sadism.
Or projection of their own flaws onto the victim and wanting to be rid of them.
Or any number of other reasons.
Take your psychology 101 bullshit and shove it.
Changing yourself to accommodate your bully is not always the right response. There is no "right response". There are plenty of acceptable responses, but no single one is the "right" one.

>"I need to eliminate this threat right now".
The fuck you think this is? Talking about killing

I hate to use the word but this thread reeks of soiboi posting.

>this entire post

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Did you not read the reply you're responding to? Feels like you read a sentence or two then started writing your reply. Honestly at this point you're just opposing the answer saying you're wrong. It's called nitpicking and looking for faults. The original reply had this
>"If you're able to understand your bully you can understand which actions or behaviour they don't like about you, and if you change yourself around them to accommodate, you can even befriend and change their way of thinking if they're reasonable enough.

Situations are more complicated ofc, and there are always different factors, but talking and fighting are not ways to deal with bullying. If you talk with your bullies but you still irk them, they will hit you on the spot, and if you fight back they might escalate and think "I need to eliminate this threat right now"."

>"Or projection of their own flaws onto the victim and wanting to be rid of them."
>"Or a need to feel superior.
>"Or wanting to belong to a group via a shared "menace" that they can pick on (them vs us mentality)."
>"Or sadism."
I took into account all of these factors when writing my reply.

and yes, there are right responses for the right people. The right responses for the wrong people are wrong. The wrong responses for the wrong people are the right responses. If you preach what Thorfinn wants, then the right answer is a scenario where you both don't lose.

If you want revenge then obviously the right answer is to harm your bully because that is what you want. Rape is the right answer to the horny hedonist. Are we really gonna argue that a scenario where everyone wins is not the right answer?

You don't seem to have ever fought someone and either won and seen the aftermath, or lost. When I used to underperform in sparring against someone, I'd obsess over them. If I'd lose in a real fight, I would not let that shit slide. I as a bully would think I'm righteous, and anyone who defeats me needs to be absolutely destroyed to the point they won't ever dare to rise against. A few broken bones and a concussion would be the bare minimum.

I'm waiting till the story progresses more before picking it back up. Same with Kingdom and Berserk. Also, I actually liked the farmland saga.

You're right. I'm usually in control and if I'm not I reckon I can recover. I realize not everyone is like that, and for them it's unfortunate. Those who posses strength and see wrong can try to correct it, and if they fail they can get physical. The weak can try, but if they fail they fail. They're victims. There are still many ways for them to rise against though. Strength and weakness doesn't matter if you can talk and understand people. If there's one lion you have to tame you'll die, but if you know the risk then you can get other peoples' help, maybe even experts', or maybe you don't even have to tame it in the first place. There are always options, even if you don't wanna see them because of your state.

Holy shit, you have no fucking clue what I mean by "right response".
Talking is a way to deal with bullying. Fighting is a way to deal with bullying. Both work just fine, under the right circumstances.
>but the bully will lose then!
I couldn't possibly care less. If I am being bullied, and I believe that standing up for myself and fighting back will get me out of that situation, then it doesn't matter to me if the bully's feelings are hurt, or if his friends will think less of him. Nor do I give the tiniest of fucks about what a manga character would do in my situation.
>I took into account-
No you didn't. Your reply had listed one possible reason. If you actually had accounted for those reasons, then you suck shit at communication, 'cause you didn't mention any of them, nor imply that they existed.
Pacifism is great, but don't fucking act like it's the only acceptable solution, and *especially* don't act like being a pacifist makes you superior to other people.

That would make you a fucking sociopath, then. Quit projecting.

Ignore bullying post QT Thorfinns

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You make it sound like bullies are righteous people correcting the villains of the world.

I just don't like all the hypocrysy in this manga from the MC. His ideals are admirable but completely impossible.

hahaha why do you think alphas or chads are so similar to heroes who defeat the villain? I don't need to point out that there are other types of bullies, do I? I'm pretty sure I made that clear in the previous reply.
>"That would make you a fucking sociopath, then. Quit projecting."
are sociopaths exempt from being bullies? Bullies usually are sociopaths. You think normal kind people would bully weird people for being weird? No, they'd ignore them. Only sociopaths would take matters into their own hands and disregard peoples' feelings to that extent.
>"Talking is a way to deal with bullying. Fighting is a way to deal with bullying. Both work just fine, under the right circumstances.
>but the bully will lose then!
I couldn't possibly care less."
bro, how are you not seeing what I'm seeing? This is what it looks like to me
me: fighting is bad because it causes concussions
you: holy shit you don't get it, fighting is not bad because I won't get a concussion. Fuck the other guy he doesn't count.
in the same fucking sentence you acknowledge what I've said but somehow you're denying it.
>"If I am being bullied, and I believe that standing up for myself and fighting back will get me out of that situation, then it doesn't matter to me if the bully's feelings are hurt, or if his friends will think less of him"
Yes, and again, I've addressed this. For a hedonist pervert rape is a good choice.
Your limitations in morals or concern for others well-being is not an excuse for you to act badly. We don't think "Oh he had a bad childhood so murder is acceptable". If he had a bad childhood that's a separate issue from the murder. Murder is never okay, and the fact that you had a bad childhood is not gonna change that fact one bit. If this analogy is too much for you: Just because you've been bullied and now you're affected by it and negative thoughts doesn't mean you acting out negatively is acceptable or positive.

Truth

I used to enjoy it, but like so many other stories it overstayed its welcome and lost focus entirely. I don't even know what the fuck's going on anymore.

AAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT A HOT GIRLFRIEND I CAN KISS AND MAKE OUT WITH AND FUCK AND KISSS AND CARESS

>manga about exclusively white folk
how long until it's anime gets pulled?

>You think normal kind people would bully weird people for being weird? No, they'd ignore them.
You don't understand what bullies are like, then. There's a reason it's incredibly common, and that's because people, even completely normal people, are capable of doing abhorrent things. A regular, normal person is more than capable of being a cruel bully.
And you're once again completely missing my point about why fighting back is okay. If someone wrongs someone else, that person will justifiably get angry and want their wrong to be righted.
For example: If it's theft, they might want compensation. Even if the other person "loses" money because of it.
Punishing the unacceptable is the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the justice system. Prisons, judges, lawyers, etc.
Your idea that you can just come to a mutual understanding and get to a situation where there are no losers is naive, childish, and infuriating to hear you preach about.
Hypothetically speaking, if I were to beat you up right now, would you not even try to defend yourself? By your own words, if you tried to fight back at all, you'd be making me "lose", and that's bad. That line of thinking is downright moronic.

>greatest and manlinest story ever told
>a story about kung fu vikings

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It was good for a while but the slavery arc took a toll on the manga. Now this endless pacifism to the point where Thorfin will barely pick up a sword is just retarded.

Also, "The pacifism is the manliest part" might be the gayest shit I've ever read on Yea Forums.

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It was about pacifism from begining, speedreader.

spotted another beta

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Go back to playing your ninty switch.

Tfw when you just want to share an example and the whole thread escaltes

> complaining about cgi in boats

the cgi in inanimate objects is really well done. that´s not the cgi you have to complain about, but the cgi in thorkell, and even that is passable if used in few ocassions. Bet you are the same type of guy who dropped gundam origin for a couple of spaceships in the first scene of the 1st OVA.

Spot on

You should read it if you are looking for some a great war drama full of action, and maybe once in a while "over the top" fightings. It´s manly, but has a progression and it´s not unsanely repetitive like Hokuto no ken.

And yes, op is a fag, you know the childiest faggots are always gonna tell you "hurr durr, im mature because I dont read shonen" instead of giving you proper reasons why you might enjoy certain manga.

And by the way, Vinland saga has a few good comedy moments. it turns a bit ridiculous in the latest chapters, but it´s really moderate most of the time.

I dropped it when it turned into a farming manga. The shit prior to that was excellent.

I'd recommend re-reading that arc. It's very good.

Maybe. It's been ages since I read it.

Have they left the Namek Sea yet?

>Punishing the unacceptable is the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the justice system
Who says that? You've imagined this answer because it's the one that suits you.

If you were to beat me up, I'd have been beaten up already. If you're trying to start a fight I'd verbally avoid it, and if you seriously tried to fight me I'd run outta there ideally, but the truth is I'm not Thorfinn. I'd dodge your attacks to the best of my abilities and try to calm you down and subdue you with grappling but if you get hits in I'd probably start hitting you back. Honestly fighting someone and subduing them is completely different. People always have expectations and if you know what they are you can easily overcome people. Bouncers apply techniques against martial artists that aren't martial arts because martial artists expect either a bad fighter or a fighter that fights normally.

Look, I don't want to be rude, but I'm not kind, so I'm gonna say it. You're incredibly normie or simple minded. There's nothing advanced about your thinking, and it's annoying to have to explain shit to you. Why can't you think for yourself? You're pathetic. Even when I wasn't a pacifist I didn't say "right the wrongs that bullies do", I'd say something like "bullies chose wrong when they tried to fight me, and when you fight someone you take on the risk of dying. Me killing them is part of the fight that they brought on themselves. I'm gonna stomp on their heads until there's nothing left to stomp on because I am above everyone else, and scum that dare question me will have a chance to establish themselves as rightful if they can beat me overwhelmingly or kill me."

Oh yeah, the level of thinking you're on reminds me of me in 6th grade.

t. woman

Honesty if you are Danish or English you are still likely related in some way. The same goes for other old rulers like Alfred the Great and Charlemagne.

It's been trash since Hild joined, and now you have a bunch of shit characters like Garm showing up too. Kung fu Thorfinn is cool, everything else sucks. Maybe it will be better now that the neverending Baltic Sea War actually ended.

hxh is crap. it makes naruto look like a masterpiece.

I like how he screwed with Garm when he kept coming onto him.
...
No, it's not sexual.

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Violent lifestyle bites you in the ass. He now has nightmares from all the slaughter and violence he witnessed and commited.

Brainlets didn't pay attention to Thorfinn's father. They just waited for next violent bit to happen.

>if I were to beat you up right now, would you not even try to defend yourself? By your own words, if you tried to fight back at all, you'd be making me "lose", and that's bad. That line of thinking is downright moronic.

Childish mindset. There are more than 2 options you know. You can not fight back, run away, fight back with fullest intent of killing the other person and do so because you are a freaking maniac, or you can just fight back and stop when you put the opposition in their place. There is little to no reason to not choose the last option.

There were bullies in my school. They wanted a piece of me and they sure as hell got it. They left me alone after that.

Sup nordoid subhumans
I hate every single one of you

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Based askechad

i was just trying to make a quipy saying for the thread... :( that was pretty mean... i myself read other shonens too

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>Thorfin acknowledging that Askelad was right on the last couple of chapters
That was beautiful

based mutt rapebaby

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I ship her so hard with thorfinn

Wow this girl is really cute

you motherfucker... you GOTdam motherfucker...
if this wasnt a Vinland thread about peace, id wipe you off the map. Kamille is a mans name and he's a MAN!

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Her ancestors would roll in the grave if she willingly bedded the guy who killed her father.

Is That a movie reference?

pre-time skip Thorfinns was an annoying edge lord and the farm arc is the best by far

Pretime skip: CHAD and Manly
Postime skip: Softboi and Cuck

I don't believe you. It's not possible for a man to be this cute

I dropped this when the feminist undertones started becoming more apparent. I believe it was when they started to set off to sea and Gudrid, I think it was her, wanted to go with them.

Gudrid is independent, but not stronk
Ylfa is stronk but not independent
Hild is a stronk independent womyn who needs no man

I loved the manga at the time, after all available chapters at the time, something life 20 or 30, I decided to search for some interviews with the author, after reading it, I knew it would go to shit, sooner or later.

At the time I was apolitical, but today I would describe the author was a mixture between an SJW + old days coomies. After the event we all have in mind, it went downhill. It had everything to be the best fantasy manga of all times. Feels bad.

>Vinland saga
>fantasy

Nigga you dumb

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It stops being manly and turns into power of friendship simulator halfway through. That's inherently a bad thing, but we've gotten to the point where characters are being flanderized and reduced to comic relief where it's not welcome.

*NOT inherently a bad thing, goddamn my multi-thread rushing

How was edge lord Thorfinn wanting to avenge his father with his two little knife manly in the first place

It was manly because it was made plainly obvious by everyone around him that Thorfinn was a spindly faggot that needed to grow up. He was not the source of said manliness, it was the world around him

>Bullying comes from a need to correct what's not acceptable. The bully sees someone acting different in a negative or irksome way, and the bully goes to confront it, and often times the bullied person responds in a way that the bully didn't want, so he feels the only action left is to bother them either by hitting them or harassing. If you're able to understand your bully you can understand which actions or behaviour they don't like about you
Pretty limited thinking, as pointed out
>and if you change yourself around them to accommodate
they'll be smarter than you and keep pushing themselves over you, because there's nothing preventing them from doing so. They get all the rewards, for none of the risk.
Fun thing about bullies, they provoke even people they don't know, and when said person does the unexpected and fights the bully, the bully folds, tries to befriend the would-be attacker or panics when he gets hit and runs away excusing himself to get the attacker to not go after him. The bully often mistakes being in a group, for being protected by a group and assuming that the group will save him for some shit he started himself.

What turned me off was some monologue about how women can be just as strong/tough as men.

Maybe I'm miss-remembering but there was definitely something that turned me completely off of the manga. I didn't even mind the farmland arc.

Looks like Fist of the North Star here.

>long running seinen series turns into shonenshit
really unfortunate

Well, at least Vagabond will never have the chance to turn into shounenshit.

>He was not the source of said manliness, it was the world around him
Correct, the world was stronger than his father, who was devoured by it. That's as far as being passive could take him, in the end, he was nothing more than prey.

and golden kamuy