Jojo's bizzare adventure

I only recently got into watching jojo's bizarre adventure after my best friend suggested I watch it. I've seen the first 4 episodes and already I'm impressed and ready to watch the rest all the way through.

What got my attention though is that apparently the first season (or at least the first real arc) was considered the worst, and some people had a hard time getting into it and I'm curious as to why now. So far it seems well above the majority of anime, especially considering that the sub was noticeably fucked up at certain points. Like maybe I'm being dumb but I'm fairly certain that "Zombie" wasn't the word they meant to use as an example.

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Don't hear these suckers. The first part is awesome and it's quite different from stuff id consider "normal". Dont get me wrong though, even if part 3 gets a little repetitive sometimes, it's quite entertaining.

Just keep going.

People are just mentally retarded. 3 is the worst and the only part that i can almost say is bad. part 1 haters have troglodyte genes

I STOPPED TIME AT THE NINE SECOND MARK DIO

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Because the season 1 plot is beyond stupid, but thankfully it improves a tiny bit.

People hate it because Jonathan is "generic". If it for the ending of the first arc. I would have dropped it.
The first part is very short (9 episodes), so it never overstays its welcome.
Form your own opinion, ignore Yea Forums's taste and avoid spoilers. I will advise you to read through part 3 because it drags.

>If it wasn't for the ending of the first arc*

I watch Jojo for the style and characters, plot is shit and most likely always will be by being shonen

Part 1 was good desu. I miss when it was simple shit like Hamon vs Vampires. Now we just get asspull after asspull.

Part 2 was 99% asspulls

every part is about asspulls. what's your point?

>O MY FLAMING FIST
>O MY VOLCANIC ERUPTION
>O MY TIME STOP
>O MY AMBULANCE
>O MY REQUIEM ARROW
>O MY STAND DISC
>O MY INFINITE ROTATION
>O MY ROKAKAKA FRUIT

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Part 1 in my opinion is fucking great. It's literally Castlevania meets Sherlock Holmes with big muscle beasts using anime bullshit in its truest form, and I love it. Just keep watching, because everything else is super great as well.

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>O MY FLAMING FIST
Not an asspull

>O MY BOAT
>O MY NOW YOURE GONNA SAY
>O MY STAND THAT CAN ALSO STOP TIME
>O MY GHOSTS
>O MY I HAVE A DREAM
>O MY UNIVERSE RESET
>O MY PICK UP THAT GUN
This fucking series man.

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Stardust was bearable for me, but DiU dragged on to the point of suffering, it's lucky that Kira was entertaining enough to save the entire thing.

How anybody can prefer Stand Of The Week shit to Hamon is beyond me

Part 1 is just simpler, and as long as it needs to be in the anime. Jonathan is not generic, but rather traditional as a hero. His biggest character flaw is that he's autsistically forgiving, to the point where it is unimmersive.
Parts 1and 2 have the advantage of not being villian-of-week stories.
From there onwards, I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 4 episodes a day. Especially after all the main characters have been introduced. Part 4 being biggest culprit. A fucking rat.

>99% of Yea Forums hates Stardust crusaders
>easily my favorite and also the best part
Is this what having excellent taste feels like?

>rat
easily one of my favorite fights.
>reveals more about josuke and his character
>Bonding with Jotaro and Josuke
>It felt like they were actually hunting like a hobby
>Jotaro getting owned even with star platinum

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tpbp

Part 4 is super boring, but part 5 despite being MOTW is incredibly entertaining. The fact of the matter is, "MOTW" is not a valid criticism.

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kek
part 3 is one of the most iconic arc of the entire shonen history, and gave life to all the modern power systems. It's great in every sense, even the ass pulls are entertaining.

Just remember this: every part after part 4 is a spinoff. Part 1-4=original series. Part 5-present spinoffs set in a similar universe with similar powers, but no original characters or plot points. Occasionally OG characters are referenced or make a brief appearance in order to excite fans.

Phantom Blood: 6/10
Battle Tendency: 7.5/10
Stardust Crusaders: 7/10
Diamond is Unbreakable: 8.5/10
Golden Wind: 9/10 so far

Colosseum fight is 100% asspull

That's a given for part 2. Nobody mentally sane would argue that part 2 had good writing

Nigga are you high? Part 4 is just as much of a "spin-off" as 5, while 6 literally picks up the storyline after 3

>strong enough to kill DIO with a single punch
>can't even break a fucking toy
PATHETIC

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>strong enough to kill DIO with a single punch
>can't even beat a fucking RAT

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>strong enough to kill DIO with a single punch
>can't even kill a fucking nigger

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>part 4 is super boring
yes because 48 episodes of yare yare daze is so entertaining

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These people just like whats popular.
They have no opinion of their own.
They like jojo because some years ago it was considered THE anime the cool kids liked.

Part 2>1>3
The rest is dogshit.

>strong enough to kill DIO with a single punch
>can't even raise a daughter properly

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The most mindless taste imaginable.

>BEST CHARACTER IN PART 2

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>>O MY AMBULANCE
He's already dead tho, the ambulance is just an icing on the cake.

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

The second time he got revealed I came a little, what an absolute legend.

Part 3 is just around the world in 80 days with half the pacing a quarter of the characterization and none of the charm. The cast is bland as shit aside from like maybe one or two characters, the stands are beyond boring, and it's way too long.
Just don't listen to them OP. Phantom blood is a little rough but it's only 9 episodes so it doesn't overstay its welcome.
If you're not an anime only you should read the new series (Steel Ball Run and Jojolion). They take place in a separate universe and are really good.

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Allow me to correct myself a bit. Part 3 isn't nearly as bad to read as it is to watch. So if you don't want to skip it I suggest reading the manga.

Literally every part sucks except for Battle Tendency

>you should read the new series
oh so skipping parts is OK now, i had no idea user

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Well I'm assuming he's watching the anime. So if he wanted something new to read as well he could start reading part 7. Since it has nothing to do with the original 6 parts.

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not even a /pol/tard, but its true

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You're not allowed to like part 2 anymore because Joseph is popular.

I forgot to mention that motw works in VA, because it makes sense in context. That La Squadra are trying to catch them while they're travelling to Rome as fast as possible. They can't go after Bucciarati together. Their powers are intimidating. They're my favorite villains from Jojo.

What's wrong with the way part 4 does it?

Most references and names will go over his head. It's nearly as enjoyable.

The Tonio, Yukako, Kobayashi and Hazamada arcs for example are inconsequential shit. The Cinderella arc's entire purpose was to introduce face changing.

Most of part 4's antagonists have little to no reason for their hostility. It makes Morioh feel retarded. Part 4's MOTW would be better if the MCs stumbled upon Tonios or Ayas with the occasional Keicho instead of most of the enemies being fucking psychotic for no reason.

I prefer Hamon over Stands

>not even a /pol/tard
How could a /pol/fag even watch JoJo? The series obviously draws inspiration from queer culture, I imagine it's like holy water to them.

>I prefer Hamon over Stands
hamon is literally a ripoff of Hokuto Shinken

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Zoomers OUT

GW will drop to 6/10 when you see the ending lol

didn't really mind the end of GW honestly

The ending is kino, especially SS

Yes, it was Hokuto Shinken used right. In a creative, interesting non-shit way.

>hurrrr why are these people with godlike powers acting like assholes?

Retard.

This but the opposite.

I just found this gem and it made me really happy nhentai.net/g/265918/5/

what was even more retarded in DiU was the power of friendship bullshit

>power of friendship bullshit
so the other jojo crews aren't friends with each other user?

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Im glad you're liking PB, its my least favorite part but its still really fun. I think people are too harsh on it, and dont realize it has qualities that other jojo parts dont have.

The best part about jojo's is the chemistry between the team in each part.
It especially shows in parts 4 and 7.

part 1 was still good, I just think it *mostly* improves with each arc. hamon is kind of a generic shounen "energy" plot device, which is why people tend to like stands better once they're introduced. then I think parts 6 onward do a good job of toning stands down just a little but still keeping the crazy stuff

Does part 7 even have a team?

Part 4 is the Naruto of JoJo

Reminder that BTfags dont actually like jojo

>Not O MY YOUR NEXT LINE IS
If you're going to paraphrase do it right, retard.

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Part 3 is the sword art online of JoJo

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So you want to tell me the chef was a bad figure? Episodes like that are one of the reasons why JoJo is that good

I belong to the rare species that likes the first half of diu and I liked how it was just normal people suddenly gaining supernatural powers and thinking they were hot shit. Maybe sometimes Araki went too far and made them act like murderous psychos, but you have to keep the readers attention for next week I guess.

it's just a campier reboot of part 1. It's not bad but it's the same shit with a more interesting protag

I think Johnny and Gyro count as a team, though you could attach Hot Pants and Lucy

as others have pointed out, people who suddenly gain an absurd advantage over the rest of society will naturally harbor illusions of grandeur and perceive anyone on the same level as a threat. probably even moreso with repressed japanese. josuke sort of brings them back to their senses

Joseph definitely catches your attention, but when I reread the manga last year I found myself much more invested in Jonathan than in Joseph.

They build Jotaro up like he's some kind of MS. Convenient that the theory was debunked when Part 5 came along.

I think his point is there should have been more Stand users like Tonio but Tonio is striking in part because he is so relatively humble.

Kira ruined part 4

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>strong enough to kill DIO with a single punch
>can't even break a fucking toy
>doesn't even ask joseph to use hermit purple to find kira
WHAT A HERO!

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Dio was raped in the summer of 1892

I more or less enjoy Phantom Blood because since watching it and seeing scenes from Part 5 like the Gang Torture Dance it makes me think while watching it,
"This used to be about killing vampires."

>could've prevented Kira from escaping
>decides to play detective instead

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Phantom Blood is among the very best of Jojo's Bizarre Adventures. People who like crap such OPM or HxH tend to rate Phantom Blood on the lower side of things. Phantom Blood isn't a battle shonen, it's an actual story. A damn good one. Think about it.

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It has bad writing? Plz explain

I thought it had one of the weakest stories. Jonathan trying to stop Dio got stale after the first time and bogging it down with the worst goonies of the series didn't help.

Top Tier
1, 2, 4, 7, 8

Not Top Tier
3, 5, 6

Gorgeous Irene Tier
Gorgeous Irene

Mora like hot pants and Diego

Joseph Joestar's asspulls are worse than all the other jojo's combined, but he's a funny guy so anime only fags love him no matter what

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desu despite how iconic part 3 is its the worst. Remember retards, being iconic doesn't make it good.
Fairly certain shit like justin beiber is fucking iconic to pop music but that doesn't make his music good.
basically stfu

Nice buzzworda user, and his "asspulls" like every jojo are well explained, except that gun from his ass, but it was irrelevant since it didnt do anything.

>people just like what's popular
>says the person that likes part 2 the most, which after the anime started is probably the most popular part

Except part 3 is good, its just that the anime soured people on it. Still one of the weakest parts tho.

I think some people just dont get along with villains who arent bad people, who have a reason to do what their doing and are likeable for the audience. tonio in that case is a perfect example, you dont need "the big bad" for a good story and interesting characters, nobody knew if he would kill Josuke and Okuyasu but it turned out that hes not a threat and is actually trying to help people and a really likeable figure and they gave us another reason for why stands are birthed when tonio said that he mastered cooking to the maximum

>part 3 is good

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part 1 is the worst part but it's still better than most current anime

I understand some of the hate of part 3, but i tought the characters, main villain, the ADVENTURE and some fights made this part great, its not dogshit or unwatchable, it just has some bad minor villains, and even then they are entertaning.

I won't deny that I didn't enjoy it. towards the end I really enjoyed it and I do love some of the standsi n it, but the first half was a slog to get through and I preferred part 1 over it. I just hate people casually throwing around the word Iconic like it means something

the narrator carries early parts desu

Part 3 is iconic regardless of your opinion on it. For most people, jojo is stardust crusaders.

Sorry meant to say I won't deny I enjoyed it

The word iconic means nothing about how good something is

I can't wait until Part 9. Maybe they can create a protag that'll BTFO Jotaro, and replace him as the repre of the series in every Jump crossover.

Johnny and Gyro. So I guess not a team but a duo. Regardless them growing as friends throughout SBR is one of the best parts of the story.

>Johnny
>Gyro
>Hot Pants
>Lucy
>Original Diego
Yeah

>hurr durr just use hermit purple to find kira
Imagine being this much of a speedreader

Jojo's begins by relying on cliches, which is reflective of the times the manga was serialized. As the series progresses, Araki really figures out his own writing style (and sexuality) and the series becomes its own unique thing, which is why people like later parts more.

If you like early Jojo you're in very good luck, you'll love later parts.

All these people saying that "regular people gaining superpowers" justifies the conflicts of part 4 are right for irrelevant reasons and wrong where it matters. They're right in a real world sense - that is how people would act if they suddenly got superpowers. They're wrong in a narrative sense - you retards are quick to forget this is a story, and as much as you hated middle school English class, good stories DO have every part of them written intentionally.

Part 4 has lots of parts that amount to nothing more than making Morioh feel lively, and while that is nice for the simple monster-hiding-in-suburbia tone, it's a horrible trade-off because A) it comes right in between the narratively consistent justifications for the antagonists in Parts 3 and 5 and B) all of these irrelevant or otherwise poorly justified antagonists could be cut out of the story (or twice as numerous) and the end result is the same. There is only so much necessary to characterize the town of Morioh with these antagonists, and ultimately the story that matters is the one revolving around Kira. The story of Part 4 is all over the place with poor direction until the end, and apologists will defend this poor writing only because it's "different".

>uses hermit purple to find barrel of coal tar in part 3
>doesn't use hermit purple to find serial killer on the loose
DISGUSTING

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I started watching it for the memes but holy fuck its good.

Also post JOJO memes i need more

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Part 1 and 2 are fun and good, part 3 is enemy of the week trash, except for the first and last ~4 episodes of part 3, which are amazing.

>If you like early Jojo you're in very good luck, you'll love later parts.

Not necessarily. Some people love the first three parts but can't get into later parts. There's even people who were meh on jojo until parts 4 or even 5. Its good that op likes it from the beginning, but there are so many different tastes when it comes to jojo that all the trends like "if you like 3 you'll like 5" are pretty meaningless.

Part 3 haters are the most cringe faggots in the entire Jojo fanbase.

The anime adaptation of part 3 is a fucking drag. It's a way more fun read. I don't blame animeonlys for not liking it.

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Part 3 is the worst part and even then it's an above-average shonen

Jotaro is the worst protagonist, but more Joseph is always good, and Polnareff was fucking great.

>watch part 2 again
>'where are they nows' at the end
>always choked up, glassy eyed at this one the most

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That's sad and so is this

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Based
Shit taste

Good taste, wait til you get to SBR

embarrassing post

God animeonlies are so fucking stupid

>he later died of a cold like a little bitch

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>kino
Now I know that it's shit and I haven't even seen it yet, fuck off Reddit

Awful post

>BTfags screeching because innocent animeonly didnt like their part the most
pathetic.

BASED, although I would add to this part 7 too. 1, 2, 3 and 7 are the best, the rest is shit.
Wtf are you talking about? People in the west like parts 7 and 4 more than 2, and in Japan it's like the 5th most liked part. It may be in top 3 here, but it's not "the most popular" part.
>another kinoretard
Only kinoretards defend part 5 now.

Part 3 is where it gets good, because it's so self aware about how fucking retarded anime is. If you don't like part 3, you're some kind of a fucking faggot.

I wish the kekking jojos hadnt been posted already so I could use it

Part 5 is almost entirely kino, that's nothing new.

>he doesnt enjoys part 3
it had it's lows, but it was still great

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>it's so self aware about how fucking retarded anime is
Yeah nah. It's just good and fun bc that's what it is. It's not making any grand statement or tongue in cheek wink wink about anything.

It's not the worst, it's just the weakest and shortest compared to what comes next, but it's important

part 3 is mostly a 2/10 with a couple of 7/10 arcs
it's garbage. worse than part 1

How the fuck does Jotaro end up as the face of the series when he's so one-dimensional? Is it because he's the one to kill DIO?

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>there are people who actually believe that part 5 has a good ending

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>he doesnt show his emotions in an exaggerated unrealistic manner like Joseph
>duh he must be one-dimensional
>I'm too retarded to pick on subtle cues that showcase Jotaro's personality and traits

That's how you spot a speedreader.

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>Sugi ni omae wa xxxx to iu
>next you xxxx say

Your next line thing is a bad translation

Japs love jotaro because he's a jap himself

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Jotaro is the most well-written and interesting Jojo. If you hate him you probably got bullied at school or something.

Is it time for Araki to stop using musical references for stands? It's clear in part 8 he has long run out of ideas for names

>D'arby the Gambler
>Vanilla Ice
>Dio's World
>/10

>main character is "le edgy badass that carries the team
>the main enemy looks like a faggot
>the black guy dies first, twice
nips find it amazing man.

MS?

>entire character is "shut the fuck up", "I'm mad", "fuck you, you made me angry", and "yare yare daze"
Go ahead, prove me wrong. Tell me about these subtle cues of Jotaro the Edgehog.

>probably got bullied at school
yeah bullied by jotaro

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"Bro Jotaro hates his mom and grandpa what an asshole lol"

>travels across the world murdering people and vampires just to save her
>goes into berserk mode when Dio sucks Joseph's blood

"Lol Jotaro one dimensional boring why is he not making jokes"

Jotaro's a shit. He's bancho wannabe bullshit. Reminds me of this guy from my school days and his bancho yanki poser friends would always loiter outside my dad's ramen shop chasing customers away.

>entire character is these several lines that he said across 4 parts that he is in

Go back to speedreader foundation you fucking nigger
If I see you in this thread again I will punch you 1000 times

good that your lowlife ramen father lost business! good bancho scared people from lowlife!

Nobody says that, you falseflagging retard. It's obvious even to kids that he cares about his family, and that continues to be the case with even his estranged daughter later on. "Caring despite pretending to be aloof" is not a deep character trait, though, and it's not why people say he's shit.

never

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Still, Joseph in part 2 is not as one dimensional as part 3 Jotaro, and at least he's fun. Unless you're one of those retards
>REEEEE FUN IS FOR PLEBS

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Go ahead and try, it'll be useless. Jotaro is shit and so are you.

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If you're saying he's shit for any reason you are objectively wrong. He is, for all intents and purposes, a well-written character.
If you personally don't like him, just say so
"I don't like Jotaro"

Why is cum dripping down his hat?

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he just woke up from a wet dream

t. probably unironically enjoyed Sword Art Online

I'm glad he fucking died, worst Jojo after Giorno

>shittalking based Giorno
Fuck off

>enjoying marysues
He's a power fantasy for dull faggots like you.

>he unironically likes giorno

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>I'm gonna be a GangStar
least noble goal of a jojo protagonist ever, might as well be a fucking villain.

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But he didn't die. Made In Heaven is incapable of killing people because they come back after reset.
So technically Pucci's kill count is only the 1 guard he left in the frog rain and Foo Fighters.

Joseph and Jotaro are both one-dimensional.

>I have somehow deduced from Bruno's face expression that he longs to overthrow the boss and stop the drug trade, so I will now help him do that despite me not caring whatsoever, instead of just making Bruno the protagonist in the first place

Why are people defending part 5's plot

>he hates morally ambiguous protagonists

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You just use words you don't know meaning of at this point.
They are literally objectively not one-dimensional.
They have multiple complex traits not unlike a real person does.

yeah araki = tolstoi

He's not morally ambigious, his motivation is just garbage and came from nowhere like an asspull.

I'm done talking to you
Uninstall whatever browser you're currently using

Gio is not morally ambiguous. He is dedicated to protecting the innocent and promoting good will.

This. Did you faggots even read the thing?

>ambiguous
he quite literally wants to be a mafia boss. he is very autistic regarding drugs, but he probably wouldnt care about anything else. hell, he did nothing when narancia, mista and abbachio fucking iced a random civilian. (they were cautious from enemy stand users, but anyone that isnt a dumbass could presume that guy was normal)
giorno is straight up evil. period.

That's what makes him boring.
Pretty much all of his fights are self-defense
>oh no a guy hit me with a shovel
>oh no a guy makes zipper on my body
>oh no a spooky stand with arrow tries to stab me
>oh no a weird child on a bike stole my throat

His only purpose in the story so far is to heal Bruno while Bruno follows his own goal
Remember previous 4 and also next 3 Jojos that actually had a stake in the conflict and pursued their goal?

some user stated it was like a theatre play in part 1.
Over the top acting and all.

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>it's an actual story. A damn good one
Phantom Blood is literally just Dracula as a manga

I think Dracula is a damn good story.

Yes. And?

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This

Part 3 had the best ending
youtube.com/watch?v=wERx4n_0HXU

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t. never read Dracula

Hasn't he become senile at that poiint?

>Boo hoo hoo! He bastardized the most popular variant of an English translation, thus triggering myself! I must prove him wrong by using the scripture no one uses. Boo hoo hoo!
MUH AUTISM

You're not wrong but DiU is still a weekly battle shonen so Araki didn't have much choice anyway.

>boohoo I corrected a guy for using a quote more accurate to the original Japanese by using the shitty line from the same localizers that use Zipperman and Filthy Acts at Reasonable Prices and now I'm trying frantically to save face

>I can't break him! His logic in Joseph's catphrase meaning literally the same thing, muh previously mentioned autism,and the overwhelming revelation that I reflect by moving goalposts is overwhelming! I-is this the end? OH NOOOOOO!

Nice OPINION.

Absolutely this.

He really is. SEKAIICHIIIIIIIII

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>Part 2>1>3
>The rest is dogshit.

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Thank you for posting this

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Based as well as redpilled
Parts 4+ are fanfiction like Dragonball GT

Am i the only one who is looking forward to see this animated?

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Mosaic when?

New jojolion when?

what did araki mean by this?

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all jojo characters are bi

Araki uses fashion mag shit so at most they're metrosexual, never manly straight.

Do they JoJo's themselves ever become relavant again after part 3?

based and canonpilled

this but unironically

yaoi muscular leglock male:guro

Part 7 and 8 they are.
I haven't read 6 yet so no idea on that one.

Jolyne, the MC of part 6, is Jotaro's daughter. Jotaro is MiA throughout the story except for the beginning and final arcs

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I know that much. But I don't know how relevant Jolyne is in the story compared to other parts.

>female protagonist
>daddy issues
>fails to kill main villain
>gets killed herself
>ends the original universe
Women truly are fucking useless

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am i the only person who didn't like season 1 at all?

maybe its just because after hearing everyone talk about stands and crazy stuff you just get a vampire

I didn't know about Stands going into Jojo but I never expected it to be vampire nonsense. Glad it quickly got dropped.

i hope you post this every day when part 6 airs
did you watch part 2 or just part 1?

Seriously.

So where did DIO asspull all that crap that happened in part 6? How would he even discover anything like that let alone know it'd work for the wanted effect?

>Glad it quickly got dropped
BASED

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I unironically find Jotaro more entertaining than Joseph

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>How would he even discover anything like that let alone know it'd work for the wanted effect?
Hermit purple

Im reading Stardust Crusaders for the first time and why does it seem like Jotaros smiling and showing more emotion than the 2014 anime adaption? Is my memory just shit?

I think he found out by meditating for 100 years under water, and then had a premonition during it

wtf is with the characters explaining what goes on as it happens? Do they think the viewer is retarded? It's infuriating and if it continues I definitely will not continue to watch it. Also Jojo is a complete idiot lmao.

>wtf is with the characters explaining what goes on as it happens
Most shonen series do this unfortunately

>you probably got bullied at school or something
Where do you think you are?

Bad manga to anime transfer. In manga, there are narration boxes and segments, but it doesn't break the pacing because you read things quickly. In an anime, it takes them like two minutes to explain what could be read in half of one. The director should have figured out a better way to do it in animated format. Unless the mangaka has a very cinematic style, you can't just transfer things 1:1.

There's a lot of dumb shit that makes it hard to take any of it seriously. The plot is pretty good but Jojo's ridiculously naive and the dialogue is kind of stupid sometimes. Very little suspense when the guy says "I will make him think he can arrest me then stab him with this knife".

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to elaborate on this, before I get butthurt responses. Dio kills his dog, assaults him repeatedly, socially isolates and bullies him rapes his girlfriend and cucks him. Jojo however believes there friends because they played rugby together. So absurd literally noone would act this way unless they have long term memory loss.

Jojo has an inner monologue about how he doesn't trust Dio immediately after that rugby game, and then immediately accuses him of trying to kill his dad. He doesn't think they're friends. He just tolerates him because his father told him to.

Except no.
Jojo is naive, to the point where he wonders if the emotional abuse was just a dream, but he still can never fully bring himself to love Dio as a brother.
Dio has the opposite problem, where he knows he has to eliminate Jojo and be pragmatic if he wants the power he craves, but he can't fully bring himself to hate Jojo and makes suboptimal decisions because of that.

>DP hinted at Joshuu vs Dio OVA as soon as part 5 ends

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I finished part one and two in one sitting this week, nopw at episode 4 at the new third part. I fucking hate stands. Joseph and Jonathan were also 10 times better than the faggot that is Jotaro. My brother hyped Stands as one of the most creative things ever, but it's boring as fuck honestly.

I wish it would have just kept going like the first two parts. Not weird as monsters coming out of someone.

>I fucking hate stands
I thought the same thing at first. Part 3's stands are just really fucking boring
>My punchghost shoot fire
>my punchghost rapier
>my punch ghost punch thing
Stands actually do cool shit in part 4.

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Stands get better

Hamon would've gotten old really fast since it can just do whatever the plot needs it to.
Stands start out that way, but as time goes on, they change so that they just do one very specific thing which the entire battle revolves around.
And yeah, Jotaro is a faggot.

Part 3 stands are so fucking bad. seriously.
have this in mind:
skip:
Ebony Devil
Wheel Of Fortune
Empress
The Sun
these fights are trash and dont add anything to the plot. the only good fights of the first part of Stardust Crusaders are:
>Emperor and Hanged Man
>The Lovers shut up, it isnt bad
>Justice
and thats it.
pretty much all of the fights of the second part of SDC are good/average (except Hol Horse and Boingo, that was pure trash)
N'Doul, D'arby the Gambler, Pet Shop, Vanilla Ice and Dio's World are amazing.

To add to that Jotaro is also more likeable in part 4.
I'd honestly suggest you read part 3
It's far more enjoyable than the anime.

Jonathan and Joseph are faggots as well user

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I unironically think Stands are the best way to go.
It allows more creative freedom.
Stand fights are like puzzles even if the solutions might be from left field.
Part 5 has some of the best stands I've seen so far.

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Stop shitposting with Kimi ni todoke

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>Part 5 has some of the best stands I've seen so far.
And the best have yet to come.

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Bullshit, stands in parts 5 and 6 are fucking inconsistent. Especially GE, the embodiment of "doing whatever the plot need it to", it's more bullshit than hamon ever was.

Why would you tolerate someone who murdered your dog and raped your girlfriend because your cucked dad told you to? He also still struggles thinking that Dio was "good" to him and even has trouble arresting him after he's proven guilty. He falls for the dumbest trick by asking him to put the handcuffs on and still has some sympathy for that shitcan. He's the quintessential chaotic good moronic protagonist.

David really screwed the pooch on part 3.
Their insistence on having each fight stretch out over entire episodes instead of just letting one fight end and another begin in the same episode killed the pacing.

Part 6 has the best stands imo

Gold Experience only had one retcon, because the damage reflection thing was too broken, and stayed consistent throughout the rest of the part.
It can do a lot of things, but that's just because "life creation" is extremely broad.

I see, it seems controversial even among jojo fans that anything that is not part 2 might be bad/average.

Well, nice, just what I thought. This shit already peaked. Might drop it I guess.

>chaotic good moronic protagonist.
Jonathan is good and pure to the point of looking absolutely moronic, that much is true.

Guess what? the other JoJos are not like that at all, each and every JoJo is completely different from the past ones, which is something that really helps the series.

7 and 4 are better

cool I will finish this series (people were saying it's only 9 episodes) and see if things change.

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cringe. Part 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 would be the best thing you would ever read

4, 7 and 8 are objectively better by every metric possible (except probably comedic value, Part 2 has lots of funny moments, intentional or not).

And in my personal opinion, Part 6, 5 and the second half of 3 (the first half of 3 is not very good) are also better than Part 2 (not to say it's bad, however, it's pretty good).

All the parts are great in there own way. Part 3's anime sucks but you can just read it. 4, 5, 7, and 8 are all fantastic.

>skipping 6
rude.

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The things I would do to Jolyne if I were alone with her.

Hell, I wish I could throw knives at her before her dad stops time so I can finally put an end to the Joestar bloodline once and for all

I guess I shouldn't say all parts. I haven't actually read six yet. I read 1-4 and then have just been watching 5. Will be reading 6 after.

> shilling for 7 and 8 without having read them
user, they are genuinely amazing, but you still shouldn't parrot what Yea Forums says just because it's cool.

Joseph Joestar cheating on Suzi Q is a plot hole because he would never do that.

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>implying

well the first Part is dated, it came out in the 80s but it's still really good imo.

That's not an argument.
Checkmate atheists.

But I have read 7 and 8.
I read 7 and 8 while watching part 5. I just didn't read 6 yet.

what a giant faggot

Joseph Joestar cheated on:
- Death
- Immortal Aztec Gods of Bodylifting
- Training On Hamon
- Fighting
Of course he would cheat on his own fucking wife as well.

see

Joseph needed to shed his Gary Stu status so he cheated on his wife.

>hamonfag didnt even last five eps without le funny protagonist and average energy shit
good riddance

>Gets his ass kicked by Wammu
>Gets ass kicked by Ceasar
>Ceasar hates him at first
>struggles with hamon training
I don't think you know what a gary stu is.

Then why didn't he cheat Caesar out of death then???

>How could a /pol/fag even watch JoJo? The series obviously draws inspiration from queer culture, I imagine it's like holy water to them.

you have no idea, watch kenneth clarke's civilizations then you will understand

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Caesar said it himself once, remember?
"hamon doesn't work on rocks"

based

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>Is this what having excellent taste feels like?
Yes. It is a blessing and a curse.

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>part 2 best part
R*eddit is over there

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>nofunallowed.png

>4, 5, 6
>better than 2
Cringe retard. 7 and 8 sure, but those? Nah.

>REEEEE FUN IS FOR PLEBS, YOU HAVE TO LIKE BORING SHIT LIKE MEEEEE REEEEE YARE YARE

>>>>>>>>>>>
lmao

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retarded BTfag

So far, only in the anime, for me its.

Part 2 > Part 4 >Part 1 > Part 5 > Part 3

I don't know if I can't even keep watching though.
I need to keep reading part 2, at least the manga of part 3 looks stylised better. Still, part 3's animation was very consistent, its just the colour scheme kinda sucked.
Also I just can't get over Zipper Boi coming back to life for no reason. But then again this has happened before, its just now it feels too many times Araki has done these cop out death bullshits.

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Bruno is dead.

I'm actually a SBRtard, I just think BT is better than 4-5-6 filler parts, especially 5, that feels so insignificant and dull. Die mad about it.

>Also I just can't get over Zipper Boi coming back to life for no reason. But then again this has happened before, its just now it feels too many times Araki has done these cop out death bullshits.
Keep reading/watching.
Joseph in Part 3 was the last of those, from now on the way Araki handles death is actually surprisingly good and emotionally painful

They are indeed better than 2.

bruno is already dead.
also,
>part 1 > part 5
you crazy madlad

Yeah I know.
Its just him still being alive in the mean time is too Bizarre
...Is JoJo being stupid just Arakis twist on it being Bizarre, including its plot holes?

Okuyasu came back to life too

Pretty good taste. It's also nice that you're not bandwagoning the "part 5 best anime!" hivemind

I liked stands in part 3 as an occult phenomenon, linked with spirituality and religion.
I think from part 4 onwards, they've become battle companions like pokemon or shit related. I enjoyed part 6 a little, but the series only becomes good again on part 7.
Also fuck animefaggots who are pissing on part 3.

araki is a precious man that consistently needs to forget/drop plot points to survive.

part 3 is the weakest stand part, it will get better

part 2,4 and 5 are the filler though

This

People really exaggerate the amount of plotholes in JoJo's, sometimes I genuinely believe barely any of you guys watch any other anime/read other manga, it's not nearly as bad as most people make it out to be.
Okusayu was an egregious bait and switch but he was never explicitly shown to have died before Josuke got to him.

Nah
7 > 8 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 6 > 5

Part 3 is definitely a low point of JoJo. Parts 4 and 5 are fantastic.

I'm starting to believe all parts are equal. When does part 7 get good?

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>implying that i read other manga that isnt JoJo, HxH, Berserk and HnK

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>3 > 4 > 1 > 6 > 5
did you put this through a random number generator? sure looks like it.

Scary Monsters.

Part 3 got done dirty with the its anime adaptation

BREAK DOWN PART 4 IS THE BEST BREAK DOWN

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I wasn't really much of a fan of it until D4C started.

Then I realized that D4C is the best action manga arc that has ever been or ever will be written.

It gets good at True Man's World.

you mean the who shot johnny arc? that was a clusterfuck

I fucking hated that, Koichi should of actually died and Okuyasu should have done more throughout the story.

I actually prefer the more intricate stands of part 4 and part 5 so far.
I just wish Hamon was actually a threat to stands. Araki could have done something at least instead of just letting it fucking die.

Some plot holes have sort been explained, just badly, for me anyway.

I mean the train section.

I liked the who shot Johnny part, but that's just because I personally like confusing stuff, I know that's not a very popular opinion.

BREAK DOWN

WARUI YATSURA WO BUCHI KOWASE
HISSATSU HISSATSU
GENKAI POWAA DA
HYAKURETSU PANCHI

youtube.com/watch?v=pKQbqyMDOLQ

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>oh nooo it's not a normie Yea Forums taste or a reddit taste my brain can't comphrehand it reeeee

If Koichi died maybe Yukako could have been relevant? I don't think Koichi did much after getting donuted by Kira anyway.

anyone else here who doesn't even want to watch part 5 because they know they won't like it as much as part 4? it's been described as part 3 which to me just means a lot of pointless fights but at least part 4 had kira.

More like Yea Forums

there's more point to the fights than 3&4

While it's true that you might not like it as much as Part 4, it doesn't mean that it's not possible for you to enjoy it anyway.

>O MY STAND DISC
This wasn't an asspull.

love train was great, but true mans world did it for me

Part 4 is more like Part 3 than Part 5 is.

>Guess what?
>I CAN STOP TIME TOO
>ZA ASS PURU
>ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA

How the fuck??

>staying in one location vs the journey(s) in part 5
>mundane situations with stands vs nothing but fight after fight

I try to watch shows (and consume media in general) that I'm 75%+ sure that I'll really like. If I only mildly enjoy it I can't stand it and would rather shitpost on Yea Forums or something. I actually dropped Part 3 halfway because of how slow and pointless it felt and had to muster the strength to pick it back up after several months had passed. Part 4's stands got me through its first half and Kira as a villain knocked it out of the park in the second half.
Do you say this because of the first half of part 4 consists of pointless characters and stands (which were merely "OK" to me) or because of all of it?

New canon: Weather Report's solution to Bohemian Rhapsody was fuckin' stupid, in reality Giorno was at Disneyworld and got pissed that none of the characters were there so he just GER'd them all back offscreen

>watch

If it's any consolation I'll read part 7.

>previous jojo helps new jojo (joseph helps jotaro/jotaro helps josuke)
>already has a trustworthy friend at the start too (avdol/koichi)
>befriends enemies (kakyoin and polnareff/okuyasu and rohan)
>meets an important member later in the story that helps find the main villain (iggy/shigechi)
>plot is to find where main villain is hiding (dio/kira)
>obligatory little child (anne/hayato)

>skipping parts

Those are just superficial similarities though.

Part 6 is the other part that I hear is mediocre.

I'd actually recommended the opposite for you.

From what I've read, you like villains that are active in the story and are not much of a fan of villains of the week, Part 6 has definitely one of the most plot involved villains in the series, you should definitely give it a try.

all of this shit is just extremely generic narrative points that you could apply to almost any story, half of it applies to part 5 and all of it applies to part 6

I'm going to go on a limb and suggest you're in the minority that let themselves get bullied and didn't punch the dickhole in the face.

6 is full of motw

>the motw argument
shut the fuck up about this already, araki is amazing at writing motws

This is why I hated Part 3.
Then Part 5 rolls along and outdoes it spectacularly.

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Probably because most of part 4's antagonists have no story behind them and feel like random mooks.

His hair still looks like shit,

All the villains are glass cannons against the protagonist with the exception of Kars who was invincible and AU Diego who threw his leg away to bypass ACT4's infinite bullshit.

Every bad guy who gets hit once by the protag in the final battle nearly dies from it, of by the time they take the final hit they literally shatter like DIO.

Prove me wrong you lifeless virgin fucks. Make sure you really read the post too, I shouldn't have to re-explain that i'm talking about the main protagonist/person who kills them, but I end up having to do so because people here barely passed school because they were too busy watching fucking chinese moving doodles, unlike the rest of us who actually did somethign with ourselves and balanced our obsessive enjoyment of our activites with actual hardwork and improving ourselves and our intellect.

If you post on Yea Forums or /pol/ don't even fucking respond to me, and if you're some shitty crossboarder, read the post twice because you probably lack the intelligence to pick it up all in the first go.

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>O MY DAMAGE REFLECTION
>O MY REPLACING BODY PARTS
>O MY RESOLVE
>O MY COCO JUMBO CLONE
>O MY NEW TONGUE
>O MY BEETLE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
>O MY REQUIEM ARROW AND GER

based.
fuck useless weebs

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Damage reflection, body parts, tongue and ger arent asspulls

Lmao

>who is pucci

>O MY OXYGEN POISONING

>Weather manipulating stand manipulates weather
>wtf asspull!!!!

Was about to say this.
It was not done by the protagonist.

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Why does giorno have mullet

Weather manipulation is kind of a bad term for it. It's more like atmospheric manipulation. When people think weather manipulation they think like making it rain or lightning and stuff. But the two biggest things WP does is change the refraction angle of the atmosphere and raise the percentage of oxygen in a room. Most people would think of raising oxygen concentration as being connected to the weather.

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>hating any of the parts
>ranking the parts at all despite all of them being so wildly different from one another
>not liking every part in a different way because each of them has something awesome to offer

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He's Dio's son.
That's all the reasoning you need.

To be able to make his braid ponytail

>look at me I'm a person with no taste that can't decide what I like so I'll just say I like everything

>I shouldn't have to re-explain that i'm talking about the main protagonist/person who kills them
opinion disregarded, go back to child

>not O MY PARKING BRAKE
You disgust me, asspullfag.

Even though they are vastly different. Doesn't excuse plot holes and shitty writing.

Objectively the most retarded post in this thread

It's weather's ability that does anything but ok. Keep believing what you're believing.

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While I'll be one to admit that there certainly are plot holes that word gets thrown around way to much in JoJo circles. Name me one and it most likely isn't actually a plot hole.

He also makes it rain frogs.
He can control the atmosphere and make any weather phenomenon that has ever happened happen.

>damage reflection
was dumb in the first place, which is exactly why Araki made the right choice to drop it.
>replacing body parts
If you can make a whole organism, how exactly is making parts of an organism a stretch in any regard?
>resolve
Not an asspull, just an arc word. You'll have to be more specific.
>coco jumbo clone
The only legit asspull in the whole part. It's established that Giorno has to be touching something to give it life, he can't just implant cells and do it remotely at any given time. Plus creating a copy of a stand is just too OP.
>new tongue
How is this an asspull?
>beetle inside your head
He gave the bullet life as it was being fired. It just took time to transform, as all his creations do.
>requiem arrow
Not an asspull.
>GER
Literally the entire purpose of the final arc. Not an asspull.

Why are you saying this like it's a bad thing, when it's arguable the most interesting and unique aspect of Jojo fights?

the writers clearly don't give a shit, its camp and over the top so it can get away with it whether it was intentional or unintentional. a lot of shit do it nowadays oh look we are being ironically bad so we can get away with poorly writing this. hey ho its a bit of fun int it

Part 5 is the best.

It's only 23 eps in, but it has more potent character than all of the last 4 mixed, distilled and heated til its nothing but pure jojo, and part 5 still beats it.
This is what Jojo was supposed to be. The last 4 parts move at a snails pace compared to this, and now, finally, we have a jojo that moves at a normal shows pace.

A kindergartener could describe all past 4 jojos.
Jonathan- "hes a gentlewman!' - "hes a hewoh!'
Joseph - "hahah hes cheeky!' - "hes cool and funny" - "hes like jonathan but normal and gets in trouble"
Jotaro - "wah! hes so cool!!!" - "hes a badass haha" - "hes so manly and tough!" - "he talks back to his mom and hes rude, but hes still a hero."
Josuke - "hes so cute." - "hes really nice" - "he has manners and goes school" - "cool and i wanna be his friend"
Giorno - "..." - "um..." - "his chest is showing" -

A kid couldn't understand Giorno. I swear, 80% of you are retarded. You are opinion-copying, tv kids show programmed dull-brains. You like the jojos, because it only takes 5 words for them to make sense.

Giorno is so potent of character, that Araki has crashed you into a wall with a literal VERTICAL learning curve. Oh...were you expecting a 5 word-description jojo? Good, funny, gay, happy, proud? is that it?

This ain't dumb-baby jojo no more. Part 5 pulls you into a grim, painfully-sensitive in its realness, crime-ridden world of drama. Giorno aint like the past 5. He's had it tough.

He's sweet, he's handsome and pretty, his stand is OP. Nothing too different there. He's stoic, proud. And now he differs. Because he's calm, collected, and has burning resolve. He isn't dumb. He is perhaps the sharpest jojo yet. He is praised constantly for his observedness.

When he fails, it isnt a JOTAROS THEME PLAYS, "YARE YARE DAZE" asspull time. (you fuckers actually watched 48 eps of that LOL). It is pain. It is stoic endurance, then MADLAD ACTION.

Anyway, im done. Undoubtedly best jojo, i hope I got across to some of you.

>implying part 5s snoozefest of a finale is better than part 3s
Kek

Vafag reaching and making up some bullshit no one cares about, like always.

2fag here, that's too many words. Could you cut it down to 50 or less?

I meant in the sense of asspulls. It outdoes it in the sense of asspulls.

youtube.com/watch?v=JGw4cPGzgQk&t=214s

>the writers
You do know it's all written buy one guy right?

I like that he says muda muda instead of ora ora and he kicks.

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giorno better than other jojo. giorno actual human, other jojo like cartoon characters.

giorno and part 5 seems realistic, and more grim. him and bruno gang fun. MOTW in part 5 is perfect, as araki make several entertaining personality and then JUST give em stand, and make stand fight of wits, for entire part.

No asspull throughout most of part.

giorno, bruno and everyone very fashionable and pretty, and cool, stands cool. and most of all giorno best jojo.
very more complex than other jojo. like a real person, and more respect. josuke and jotaro are stupid, and feel stupid. giorno i respect, and entertain me. he smart, loyal, willpower, composed, level head, committed..its not boring, its based. he based.

everyone who no likegiorno? they shonentard who like flashybang, instead of good jojo mc for once.

Cute.

Can someone explain what this stand’s ability was? Persuasion?

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Giorno is a generic shonen protag surrounded by better characters.

2fag here, too many words, cannot comprehend

Did you really have to type out all that shit,are you that insecure about people talking shit about your favorite part user?

Okay now this is based.

Giorno is the Kirito of Jojo you retard.

so what...hes like naruto? or deku? or goku? or some other teen kid with powers?

i cant tell if its bait, or you are a retard who decided to say your opinion against me, and see if Ill retaliate. i dont care. we all know what you said was wrong. i dont have to point it out. im not gonna waste the time, but i kinda want to, because I could use a normal shonen protag in comparison to giorno, to talk about giorno.

giorno is unique as fuck. I hate that nobody understands him, and I relate to him a bit. He's amazing, but gets called boring because you dont understand him

No. He isn't. Part five isn't my favorite but these are jusy fucking stupid statements.

>young
>has a lifelong dream
>stumbled upon the means to achieve his goal by coincidence
>espouses teamwork and leaving no man behind
>goes out of his way to remind everyone about his dream
>every other character admires him for his resolution and him just existing in proximity to other characters gets him followers and friends
>has a vaguely defined power that does whatever the plot requires

Half of these are not even plot holes

holy fuck you're retarded. you're the exact quality (in this case lack thereof) user I expected to reply though so i'm not surprised in the least.

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based shuckmeister spitting facts
youtube.com/watch?v=UU-LzH-5lQU

Yea Forums really has gone downhill lately

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>young
wow, einstein leave it for your next paper, huh?
>has a lifelong dream
stressing the platitude,doesnt make you MORE correct. he has a dream. For a JOJO, this is unique. All the past 4 jojos werent like that. He is unique and interesting FOR it.
>stumbled blah blah
all the jojos have done stuff by accident. I see the trope your intending to use here, but yet again, a shitty platitude you have. asspull blah blah, stand users are connected (which is heavily supported by lore desu)
>espoused blah blah, look at me, i used the word espouse
no. it is never preached. you dumb fuck. I guess part 3 is a shonen anime huh?
>reminds everyone of dream
have you even watched or read the fuckin part. he says his dream to bruno. thats it. if you werent such a depressed dumb fuck, youd realise preaching your resolve to win, and telling your dream are two different things. Shonen has rotted your brain.
>giorno is admired
because he is actually valuable. he is observant. also, NO, this shitty fanfic relation to a shonen character doesnt hold up again, BECAUSE,
ONE - he doesnt get friends, he loses them , lol i am just raping you at this point
two - Giornos WHOLE ARC, is to be a gangstar, and rid crime. Seeing his team members, compliment him (which is justified, because his intelligence, resolve, sacrifice, and intellect DOES indeed deserve compliment) is how his arc is being moved. to see him considered as close to bruno, by Mista and narancia is just good character building you dumb fuck.
three - abbachio hates him.
>has a vague power
welcome to jojo. also, i dont think this is a shonen trope at all.

Steel Ball Run > Diamond is Unbreakable > Vento Aureo > JoJolion > Battle Tendency > Stone Ocean > Stardust Crusaders > Phantom Blood

canon rankings

>part 5 above anything
>canon
Yeah mate, good schizo ranking.

replace DiU for Battle Tendency and thst a perfect list

Steel Ball Run > Vento Aureo > Diamond is Unbreakable > Stone Ocean > Battle Tendency > Stardust Crusaders > Phantom Blood

it's not that it's awesome or plain ole bad, it's just, tragic

tragic unwatchable or tragic sad

Actual taste, holy shit

Seething

My little 12yo brother got into jojo and now he's making rather questionable drawings

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This but switch Stone Ocean and Diamond is Unbreakable
And maybe move Jojolion a place or two up

for twelve that' pretty good. should be proud of your gay little brother user

>looks more like jojolion then part 3
Wow didn't know 12 year Olds could be this based

This is the WORST kind of Jojo opinion, or as I like to call it, 'the confused DBStard' opinion

Who is worst JoJo? Imo it's Josuke (4)

Josuke was the worst Jojo in the best part.

Part 7 is objectively best part you lemon tart

>>fails to kill main villain
Everyone failed, even her father with the power to stop time got fucking obliterated, how the fuck was someone with the power of strings supposed to do anything? She was strong but with the weakest stands out of all the protagonists against the strongest stand out of all the antagonists, she couldn't do much.

>Part 1 > Part 5

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I mean... If you are loving the first part then you are set to go dude. It just gets better from here

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I still can't get over how shitty his hair is.

That's not Josuke.

Actually, I prefer it when you don't see a black hole in the middle of each curl. Now it looks better then Josukes.

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Yeah he started part 8 just now and it's one of his faves so far

Ask him to draw some Jonathanx Susie lewds

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I always thought of it and a lot of JoJo in general as having a more episodic appeal. It's not necessary for any given character or villain to contribute to the overarching plot as long as their particular incident is a complete arc from beginning to end. Each stand confrontation is like an entire story in and of itself, and Kira just happened to span a couple arcs instead of one. He was hardly different from the typical asshole with superpowers in Morioh.

don't y'all know the joestar bloodline is blessed with luck. Star means luck.

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Is part 6 Jotaro the biggest jobber in all of JoJo? At least Joseph in part 3 had the excuse of having a weak stand.

i renember reading 20 century boys around the same age

I'd just ignore people who say that Joseph is a gary stu. They're just speedreaders who think the fact that he makes jokes while fighting sometimes is all it takes to be qualified as a gary stu. If you actually take the time to watch the fights he's in you'd notice that he fucks up like 10 times in pretty much every single one. Jotaro is much, much closer to being a gary stu than Joseph and I'd still hesitate to call him one because he still gets fucked or caught off guard every once in a blue moon.

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Caesar and Lisa Lisa exist just to make Joseph look good. Neither of them win any fights and Joseph defeats literally everyone

>OH SHIT MAN

Jotaro was washed up in part six
If it was part three jotaro he would've won