He was one of the strongest Ninjas during the Chunin Exams, right?

Naruto too fucking low

>naruto that low
Are you retarded? Even if you don't count Naruto getting power from magic fox man he's still stronger than Temari, Hinata, Zaku, Kiba, Shino, and Shikamaru

The entire Konoha 11 are Jonin now, minus Sasuke/Naruto who dont need ranks anymore.

>naruto had a man inside him.

I think Naruto was eventually elevated to Jonin, but yes Sasuke should still be a genin only

>Kabuto
>Power Gap
>Gaara
What makes you think that?
Also, I believe Rock Lee with the gates power could outbeat Neji

12 years timeskip and Neji didn't get out of Jounin. That man got lazy

The Akimichi clan was, too.

It's suggested in the Naruto anime that he did become a Jonin, but he says he's still a Genin in the Boruto anime. So, who knows.

On the one hand, she should easily ace any exam. On the other hand, how ridiculously unfair to the other genin would it be if he actually participated?

In the filler afterwards, he was in the chunin exam and fought Konohamaru. Naruto lost because there was a special rule of "no sage mode" and Naruto went Sage mode by accident because Konohamaru was able to land a single punch at the most absolutely weakest effect.

this dude always ends up saving the day on any mission he was assigned. his only purpose is to keep the story going and prevent strong enemies from stalling the story for too long.

Kabuto is crazy strong in the exams if you compare him to the other kids, even Gaara (without the tailed beast shit being active)

He's on a level very similar to Kakashi and has access to some pretty nasty fucking ninjutsu before he became orochimaru part 2 electric bugaloo

Oh man I remember that one doujin where he fills up the womb of his teacher with cum mixed with insects. That was some good stuff.

Anyone who isn't Sasuke or Naruto are JOBBERS

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Because no one gave a shit about the clans that weren't the Senju and the Uchiha

I think Kabuto's base jutsu (just his chakra blade attack) is a little lack-luster in comparison to Kakashi's, but he does match him in experience and resourcefulness

I like Kabuto's origin story

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Yeah, I think Kakashi gets the obvious edge for his sharingan at least in this fight. Chakra scalpel probably wouldn't hit him.

>Kankuro
That one was more of a tie since both collapsed at around the same time and Shino needed his dad to save him from getting poisoned

>the sound village ninja
Who got crippled by Sauce earlier

Stop spamming your shitty Naruto threads, everyday, Narutard.

Don't act like Yea Forums doesn't notice.

You're the only Apple using Narutard on Yea Forums.

>These color schemes are better than what we got except for Tenten

>Sasuke that high
>two Sasukes
>pre-Kakashi training Sasuke that high when he pissed his pants against Orochimaru
>Naruto below Kiba, Neji, and Gaara, all of whom he defeated during the Chunin Exams/Leaf Crush
>Naruto below Sasuke when he saved him from both Orochimaru and Gaara
t. Sasuke

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Hinata > Naruto?
come on

Rock lee would have destroyed anyone he faced other than gaara.

They pretty much show you that rock lee could have killed any of the other kids at the drop of a hat if he wanted to.

Yet, he became an incel who talk to dolls lmao

>Naruto that low
Dude canonically spanked partially transformed Gaara with 1k clones combo. Kiba was lucky that Oro nerfed Naruto hard on the earlier stage.

>Rock lee would have destroyed anyone he faced other than gaara.
He would have lost to Ino pretty badly if she used her brain rape. Same with Sasuke if he actually used genjutsu, which it's famous for. Also no way he beats Shino.

Spoiler alert: the fights don't make sense and characters act purposely retard to hype up other characters. For being so broken almost no-one ever uses genjutsu except Itachi.

No, Naruto never got past genin retard. He is the first hokage that went from genin > hokage.

Technically speaking, Hashirama and Tobirama didn't had ranks, they went from something>hokage

Shino's Ultimate Jutsu are amazing in the CyberConnect2 games.

youtu.be/rs-uJcX1qfg

>naruto anime says he becomes a jonin
>boruto anime claims he is still a genin
>neither Manga sources have ever commented one way or another
it's up in the air faggot

This ranking suck ass and kill yourself

I don't know. Kabuto is REALLY slippery. During that small scuffle in the hospital room with Sauce, Kabutops managed to outfox Kakashi and get away. Dude is nearly Shikamaru tier in terms of intelligence.

>For being so broken almost no-one ever uses genjutsu except Itachi.
Because then there'd be no story

case in point
*teleports behind your reality*

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Lee himself outright says he would lose to Neiji

>Dude is nearly Shikamaru tier in terms of intelligence.
Y'know, so is Kakashi apparently but we never really see that in action now that I think about it. Kakashi just comes across as "fairly smart" not a genius.

Ino's mind rape can only be used on an immobilized target. She tricked Sakura but how would she have caught Lee who moved at blinding speed?
Did Sasuke even know any genjutsu at that time? He only knew katon back then. He used the Sharingan to track movements and watch hand signs he didn't know any genjutsu until part 2.

With the weights on, yeah.

If Sakura can beat Ino's brain rape, so can Lee. Genjutsu would fuck lee hard at base state, but Sauske didn't know any until the time skip. I say base state because he could probably break free if he was already using hidden lotus when it was cast, but that's improbable. Lee would obliterate shino because he could just destroy all the bugs. The only hard counter to the kaioken would be poison, which Lee would be particularly vulerable to given that he doesn't use his kunai much and would likely just try to tank what he expected to be a minor wound.

Kakashi is smart, but I wouldn't put him in the same league as Kabuto/Shikamaru level guys.
youtube.com/watch?v=PkvzcKVP4ZM

>Shikamaru tier
So overhyped and not actually that smart?
>enemy draws giant circle on the ground in blood and loudly proclaims it's time for the ritual to begin
>if i analyze his speech patterns, favorite flavor of ice cream, and childhood fears i can figure it out... he has to be in that circle for his jutsu to work!
>wow shikamaru you're so smart!

And he was wrong. Idolizing a rival. The speed lee demonstrated while unhampered would be sufficient to outpace Neji's movements 10 times over, and the power of the lotus could smash his defenses, and maybe even overcome chakra point blockage, as naruto demonstrated.

>Did Sasuke even know any genjutsu at that time?
It'd be an even bigger plot hole if he didn't.
>can literally look at any jutsu and use it after
>don't purposefully look for jutsus despite being on a murder quest and before a huge exam

Cuz bugs cant nuke and energy beam. If you cant do those two things you cant fight in naruto.

I always forget the Rock Lee internet defense force exists, probably because like everyone else I forget Lee exists. Almost as bad as the Uchihatards.

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Okay, he's at the level that Shikamaru is STATED to be. Kabuto's got lots more to back it up too, with mastering sage mode, perfecting the reanimation, and his scientific skills. Sage Kabuto could probably kill anyone in the Akatsuki 1 on 1 and walk away relatively fine.

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Few genjutsu use handsigns

Nice.

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naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Genjutsu:_Sharingan

Sharingan comes with genjutsu natively installed.

Alright I have to admit that was pretty good. I forgot how much I liked Part 1 Kabuto.

Still mad that Sakura won against ino because of Schizo p

Kurenai is shown using one that does, I'm sure Kakashi knows many too. Sasuke couldn't just ask one of them for a demonstration?

It was probably the most 'ninja' sequence in the entire show really. No BIG BANG jutsu, no flash, and a thought out plan.

Don’t even mention Boruto, bro. It’s trash. We’re talking about the last part of Naruto that was ANY good.
Man, if Naruto had just become Chunin after the exams, I would have kept watching.

God I miss that kind of shit
all of that DNA has been completely taken out of the series

Ironic that you'd use the word DNA, because the show ended up becoming about 'DNA'. MUH SHARINGAN, MUH UZUMAKI GENES, MUH HASHIRAMA CELLS.

I can tell you the precise moment when shit become irrevocably retarded. Susanoo. The moment Sharingan could now summon a skeleton mech. That was not necessary. Amaterasu was already pushing it.

Yeah, but at least they didn't half ass the bullshit. Kishi bullshitted it straight until the glory that was Madara.

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>Amaterasu was already pushing it.
You say that as though even a single person died from it. It was a total joke up to that point "instant undying flames as hot as the sun" that can be dodged, avoided, survived, sealed, and so forth.

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To be fair, hardly a single person died from anything in this series

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have another

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>forgetting the victims of the 10-tails rampage

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Who was the best Jinchuriki, and why was it KIRRA BEEE yooo? Why was his brother also best Kage?

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For me it is Naruto and Sasuke freeing Kakashi from Zabuza's water prison.
>fresh-faced genin with no chance of beating a jounin who has been killing since he was a child
>no kyuubi or sharingan asspull, just a well thought out strategy that perhaps relied a bit on being underestimated by the opponent
>master plan isn't actually to beat an opponent lightyears ahead of them, it's just to free someone who can actually fight that opponent

True, that was good too. All that cool ninja-y stuff got phased out before the end of the original series unfortunately. Also, on a side note, how the fuck did Sasuke not immediately die when his 'chest and neck cavity, and the organs where blown away' immediately?

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Sasuke is a pretty big jobber himself, his track record is garbage all things considered. The only major fight you could say he's won solo was against Danzo and that's more Danzo being a dipshit than it is Sauce being an intenlligent fighter. Orochimaru was bedridden and in no position to defend himself, he fought Deidara to a draw and only survived due to writer hax, and Itachi let him win. He lost against Haku, lost against Lee, lost against Gaara, got absolutely demolished against Killer B and was killed basically three different times during the fight, and had to be bailed out several times during the Five Kage summit.

Honestly, Sauce getting his ass fucking HAMMERED during the middle parts of Shippuden are still some of my favorite things from the show.

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>and that's more Danzo being a dipshit
The guy was wasting all of his Izanagi's jumping into Sasuke's attacks and thought that if he had just one left over he could go head to head against who he thought was Madara Uchiha. That's the greatest example of Kishi writing someone who's supposed to be a genius into retardation.

I wish he got beaten by Deidara and realized immediately he only beat Orochimaru because his body was failing. Moments like in part 1 when Itachi brushes him off like he's nothing and he wonders what the fuck all his training has been for are my favorite. I don't dislike Sauce, but I like moments when things get put into perspective for overconfident or perhaps naive characters.

He also wasted what’s easily one of the most broken techniques in the series on easily dispatchable fodder

Well he DID realize that he only beat Oro because he was sick. Remember? Karin berates him for cutting it so close with Deidara.
>And you're the one who beat Orochimaru?
to which he says
>Orochimaru was weakened, that's all there is to it.

>thought that if he had just one left over he could go head to head against who he thought was Madara Uchiha.
To be fair, he had Shisui's ultimate genjutsu to fall back on. He was waiting for it to recharge.

Yeah. It would have been a nice moment of reflection, and maybe he'd actually start relying on Taka more. After the Kage summit Karin, Suigetsu and Jugo become fucking non-characters.

Don't forget, the real Madara killed him in seconds.

>he fought Deidara to a draw
Eh, forcing someone to kamikaze himself should count as a win

Yes, but Sasuke shouldn't have had the time or energy left over to actually summon Manda, genjutsu him, and then get inside his mouth and have him close it all within the span of Deidara's explosion reaching him. Honestly, if Kishi had real balls, he would have had Sauce die there, and change up Naruto's ideals real hard.

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Sasuke told Deidara before that he had a plan B in case that defusing the bombs didn't work

Yes, but he literally had so little chakra he could not keep himself standing up. How the fuck could he activate a 'plan b' with that little chakra? Summoning the BIG summons like Manda is suppose to take a lot of it. It couldn't have taken more than a second for the explosion to hit him, and yet in that second a sauce who is so exhausted he can hardly stand is able to summon the BIG SNAKE, genjutsu him, get into his mouth, and close his mouth? It's fucking silly.

If Sauce is too tired to just throw a kunai at Deidara and be done with it I don't see how he'd be able to all the other shit

even if he had time to do all that, Manda surviving the explosion at all is fucking stupid too

Sasuke did have some chakra left, otherwise Orochimaru would have popped out like he did in the fight against Itachi.

The problem is that the whole thing was so poorly presented for the sake of a dumb cliffhanger that it makes it look like Sauce did everything in a nanosecond

He didn't survive the explosion, he dies. When you see him again later that's a clone Kabuto made.
However, Manda was fucking based. He should've survived the explosion and fucked Sasuke's shit for putting him under a Genjutsu.
>kabuto calls him -sama even when he's not around to hear it
>doesn't even allow kabuto to speak to him
>would betray orochimaru in an instant if he knew he couldn't use any jutsu
>survives being stabbed in the face by gamabunta
>demands 100 human sacrifices from orochimaru for the privilege of summoning him to fight the sanin

Would be better if Tobi saved his ass, giving us some insight that there is more about the masked dude

He was completely garbage in the sannin fight, he didn't earn a single sacrifice there.

Snake summons are overall pretty shit, they don't have any limbs to fight with weapons like frogs do and they don't spit anything that can melt your enemies like slugs do

Accurate. I never got sold on Naruto being strong as a ninja, all of his "op" scenes came from getting angry and using the fox power. He was getting beaten by Kiba until he farted, and his fart is an outlier feat since he never used that move again against any other opponent. But at best they are equal and Kiba is Naruto's yamcha. Hinata has actual techniques with the palms and rotations and Naruto has nothing to get through her rotation. And she's supposed to be good at hand to hand, despite being a girl she has actual cqc training. If weapons weren't useless Naruto has no answer to Tenten raining a thousand knives on him, also lol at whoever said Naruto beats Temari since she can spam those wind blasts and Naruto won't ever get close.

Honestly Naruto at first was some random monkey who could spawn more random monkeys but he wasn't especially strong at all.

Tobi already did enough of that in the kage summit

I'll never get over the fact that a dead ass serious Obito was behind that mask. And Kishimoto and the story just pretends
it never happened. Do you think he was also doing funny faces? Was he enjoying it? Maybe it wasn't an act at all and that's his true self, the serious Obito was just a facade so people would take him seriously.

Yes.

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If Kishi wanted to make Obito more believable he should've had him suffer severe brain damage as a result of having his body be crushed and suffers from his personalities being fragmented as a result.

He did his job, he kept the other summons at bay 2v1. What were you expecting him to do? Smash Jiraiya and Tsunade? Such a massive summon can't be expected to fight human opponents because. For example, Gamabunta can fight the large Shukaku, but isn't nimble enough to hit the comparatively tiny Pains. It's hard for a large guy to fight a tiny, agile human.

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>getting beaten by Kiba
He literally wasn't. He outsmarted Kiba at least three times with split second decisions in the heat of battle (unlike, say, Shikamaru, who stands back and spends 10 minutes in relative safety figuring out his next move), but nobody gives him any credit for it because "lol that's the fight where he farted".

Sure he outsmarted Kiba a few times, but I don't think Naruto was going to win if he hadn't farted when he did.

You don't think he would've given Kiba the Lotu--I mean Shishi--I mean the Uzumaki Naruto rendan anyway? I think he would've eventually found or carved out an opening to use it.

You just single handedly fixed Naruto. The final villain having split personalities with one being the innocent boy Kakashi knows and the other one a resentful murderer would be high quality. Living with your past dead self sounds hardcore.

He farted just as Kiba was about to smack his shit though.

Kiba hit him hard many times, he always got up. Same thing against Neji. Even when he's getting pounded he'll think of something.

You realize that he might have won if Karin hadn't healed Sasuke?

>won
Draw. But Ino should have demolished her in taijutsu alone.

He would have won if he hadn't decided to stop and monologue at Sasuke when he trapped him with that curse mark. Should have done this
>curse mark activates
>sauce is immobilized
>grab his sword
>stab him in the heart
>THEN monologue to him as he's dying
Danzo fucked up the order.

>Let's walk single file with the order based on powers
>OH MY GOD he's a genius!
Shikamaru wanking was always meme worthy. Obvious inability to make good on his explanatory intellect aside, it really seemed like the stuff he came up with should have been mundane in universe. Hyping it up just made the whole world feel stupider solely for his sake.

Wasn't he just letting the white zetsu part of his body play the part?

Lee is humble. None

>does his best without bullshit powers
How come this character gets so shafted.

>Tobi=Obito actually fucking happened
I still can't believe it, I remember 10 or so years ago people discussing this theory only for the vast majority to brush it off as a "crack theory" because nobody thought that Kishi would be that much of a hack.
Then of course he did just that.

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I'm actually rewatching chunin exams right now and god is this shit god tier
Edgy Gaara is hilarious though. Also my heart is crying because of how fucking shafted Lee's, Neji's and to a lesser extent Hinata's stories were later on, seriously, they were so good

I wouldn’t say god tier but for a battle shonen and compared to what it became early naruto was pretty good.

>He was losing to Kiba
>He was only saved by fart joke
He was doing relatively fine against Kiba, who was stimmed up with a jutsu that helped turn chakra into physical capacity and essentially doubled himself with Akamaru, while Naruto's own chakra control was pretty much shot. He wasn't keeping up without tricks, but he even mentions that he was trying to use chakra in his feet to keep pace, which he was using sub-optimally thanks to the seal if the waterwalking was anything to go by. All the while showing off rather plainly that he's not up to his norm in terms of clones. For the "humor" aside, the fart joke wouldn't have been necessary if his chakra hadn't been borked.

Not to say that Naruto was any sort of polished or that Neji wasn't a wall for him without the kyuubi, but you're still selling him short on the Kiba fight.

Or if Karin didn't heal Sasuke

Kono bangumi wa goran no suponsaa no tekyou de okurishimasu

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Serious Naruto fucked up Gaara without fox

brehhhh when this chapter dropped it was a fiesta

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I dropped naruto long before that happened i'm afraid.
I can only imagine the absolute shitstorm.

He were able to fight Mitsuki while in Sage Mode. That's has to be pretty good, right?

Sage Mode automatically gets you to Kage level and more, so yeah

>anime filler

Guess what retard

learn to read, that's exactly my point
filler contradicts itself and the manga says nothing about it
hence it is unresolved faggot

Now that the dust has settled Is there any character that could even TOUCH Madara Uchiha?

Hashirama. But only because Madara would let him "touch"

All Madara wanted was Hashirama’s wood.

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Is Madara literally the only good thing to come out from War arc? Also maybe Kakashi vs Obito in anime

Founders's flashback was interesting, also Senju brothers were fun.

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>naruto thread in 2019
>all according to keikaku

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I mean we got some pretty cool fights desu, guy vs madara, sasuke/naruto vs madara, sasuke vs naruto, itachi/sasuke vs kabuto (itachi redemption arc), obitos vs kakashi

>uchihas bow to senjus
>in contact with aliens
>posses bloodline limit like abilities
>control konoha with an iron but fair fist
>own castles & banks globally
>direct descendants of the sage of six paths
>will bankroll the first cities on the moon (senjugrad will be the first city)
>own 99% of hashirama DNA editing research facilities on Earth
>first designer babies will in all likelihood be senju babies
>both brothers said to have 215+ IQ
>such intelligence has only existed deep in Shinobi monasteries and mount myoboku
>Ancient ninja scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Senjubots inside you right now
>The Senjus are in regular communication with the Demigods Hagoromo and Hamura, forwarding the word of God to the Ninja Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the Kages & the Samurai high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Shinobi leader's first trip to Land of Iron in history literally a few days later to the Senju bunker in Land of Fire?
>They learned ninjutsu in under a week
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the brothers. There's no gold in Ft. Nekomata, only Ft. Senju
>The brothers are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base shinobi currently accepted by our society
>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe
>We don't know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they're benevolent beings.

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Kabuto & Orochimaru kept up with both Tsunade, Jiraiya, and Tsunade's assistant (and Naruto but he's a shitter around then). And Orochimaru was crippled and did next to nothing. Kabuto would absolutely shit all over Gaara.

Powerlevels in Naruto aren't linear

>>Dosu
That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. I used to frequent an anime forum that had a hardcore Dosu fan that believed he wasn't dead and would eventually show up again.

Because they were actually OP. Any Aburame who uses a sliver of their brain can beat all the non-gods in Naruto. Hell during the Pain Invasion, Kishi got them fighting Konan instead of the Pains. Get some bugs on the chakra rods and the Pains are done.

>Kakashi
>beating anyone other than Zabuza
Kakashi is a jobber and a measuring stick. He only exists to show how "threatening" the new villain is.

One of them lost pretty badly to Coolest Guy

He's also a walkimg vibrator

Aburames are long-distance fighters. That idiot's super secret technique is to Sakura run up to someone and basically poison them. He has none of the tactics or abilities used by most normal Aburames.

Kek

How is he supposed to get laid when he has got bugs crawling out every hole in his body?

>used to fantasize about what crazy new jutsus Naruto would come up with
>Used to think, what if Kiba got a power up where he changed into a kungfu werewolf as his final form
>What if Shino managed to incorporate the golden silk from the spider sound 4 to create some kind of super golden armor bug transformation
>What if Sakura and Tsunade weren't useless and could actually fight people

Honestly Sakura and Tsunade are only good for the amount and quality of porn they generate

Sage Mode Naruto was strong as fuck, and he should've done cooler shit in it before he got the Chakra Cloak. Prove me wrong.

>stronger than kiba
Fucker only won because he farted, kiba was definitely stronger at that point

Sad but true.

For real, whenever I see Sakura or Tsunades I IMMEDIATELY remember numerous doujins from them. Just talking about them I might bust in out during my lunch break

Based

Serious question. Was Obito a 29 yrs old Virgin? He was obsessed with Rin, but he could have gotten some ninja whores or maybe do something to Konan.

Half of his penis was Zetsu, that's why he was so angsty

Virgin, because Rin always watched him.

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>no sage mode
That’s like saying “no byakugan or sharingan allowed!”

They don't have cool eyes

>Was Obito a 29 yrs old Virgin?
Yes, but so was nearly all of his class

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My headcanon is that Obito had an affair with Konan. It was purely physical, both were just lonely, and Konan ended their relationship pretty quickly. Obito felt betrayed, was angry with her and therefore killed her in an intimate way, strangled her with his own hands.

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With Shino, I always took it as Shino was a great mid to long ranger fighter but was terrible at Taijutsu or close range. Plus, bugs are only as strong as the jutsus they combat. Like, does Shino have bugs to combat fire or lighting? Can his bugs eat a Water Dragon jutsu? Shino is strong but his bugs have limits.

Poor Kabuto. His story was pretty sad.

Again, fuck Danzo

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I don't think fucking was at the top of the list when revenge/World Domination was kinda all on his mind.

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Well, for ninja work he's stupid op. But somehow every mission here evolves into a full blown brawl. Technically Shino would be at a long distance sending his bugs to eat Chakra from an unsuspecting victim and they won't even know where Shino is even if they notice.

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>fuck Danzo
Danzo was based. He cleaned Konoha from Uchiha filth, just like Tobirama wanted.

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>all of his "op" scenes came from getting angry and using the fox power.

You do realize he’s a Jinjuriki jinchuriki? Saying he’s weak without something that’s literally a part of him would be like ranking others lower because they have eyeballs and weapons and know ninja tricks. That would be like ranking Sasuke lower because of his eyes. Like it or not the fox is a part of Naruto and he shouldn’t be ranked that low because you’ve taken it soon yourself to disregard one of his greatest abilities. You wouldn’t rank Sasori below Ino because he uses puppets would you?

>all of his "op" scenes came from getting angry and using the fox power.

You do realize he’s a Jinjuriki? Saying he’s weak without something that’s literally a part of him would be like ranking others lower because they have eyeballs and weapons and know ninja tricks. That would be like ranking Sasuke lower because of his eyes. Like it or not the fox is a part of Naruto and he shouldn’t be ranked that low because you’ve taken it upon yourself to disregard one of his greatest abilities. You wouldn’t rank Sasori below Ino because he uses puppets would you?*

Not to mention he wasn't going seriously because 'I can't kill my student.'. Shino's bugs are probably a fucking nightmare for any shinobi who isn't GOD tier.

Danzo was so shit that not even Tobirama nor Hiruzen gave a shit when Sasuke told them that he killed Danzo

I wish Dosu and to a lesser extent his team hadn't gotten shafted so hard. I'd love to see a Dosu at shippuden levels with his sound control.

That man got killed 9 times back to back immediately and didn’t change anything about the way he faught. Without those eyes he’s basically minion status.

The entire point of Sasuke leaving was that Naruto was stronger/becoming stronger than him circa Chunin Exams you moron.

They weren't surprised that Uchiha scum was a murderer.
>didn’t change anything about the way he faught
Actually he showed several abilities, but Sasuke was healed by Karin and protected by plot.

>kakashi's entire gimmick was that he copied a lot of jutsus and is thus very powerful
>expect sasuke to do the same
>fucking doesn't
>fucking only uses his clan's techniques
>fucking kakashi went up against 2 akatsuki's at the same time while team asuma was busy sucking each other's dicks
>fucking kakashi fucked over zabuza, a supposedly badass motherfucking S rank rogue ninja
>fucking hero of the 3rd war kakashi
>fucking reduced to using eye hax kamui
I FUCKING HATE UCHIHAS

Copying basic ass jutsus doesn't really matter when literally all of the most overpowered abilities are bloodline hax.

The copying shit became irrelevant after the chunnin exam arc turned Naruto fights into "spam your clan's special techniques better than your opponent and win", especially since most of those techniques couldn't be copied.

We don't even know what he's like at close range to be fair

I know she jobbed hard to temari but 1010 can't seriously be weaker than fucking choji, especially when her teammates are so much higher on the list.

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Dude, Choji went fucking HARD in the war arc. War Arc tenten wouldn't even be able to beat Jirobo, who Choji beat while he was till a genin.

Having competent teammates doesn't mean shit. Just look at Sakura.

Imagine being a crippled Gai, thinking about how hard you trained your disciples remembering the good times of life.. Then you realize Neji is dead, Rock Lee never accomplished anything and Tenten is still as weak as a genin since she still only throws weapons.

That robot lady from Boruto is what peak Tenten should have been, having some kind of armor full of tricks and using the new technology from Boruto to shoot jutsus coupled with the kunai and shurikens. And she should be rock Lee tier at CQC considering she doesn't have any elemental or bloodline jutsu to train, martial arts should be her priority.

>That picture
Top fucking KEK

>Jiraiya could have killed both Itachi and Kisame without any eyehax or hereditary jutsu, only hard work and brains
BASED
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>Almost as bad as the Uchihatards.

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More like by borrowing the power of a bunch of hax frogs

His entire clan's gimmick was insects that eat chakra meaning they had no actual destructive potential so a ninja with say an electrical field around them(like Sasuke) would be invincible from their point of view. A ninja who can morph their body like Jugo as well. Honestly the Aburame clan was lame.

What Akatski had the biggest dick?
Kisame, Deidara, Itachi?

Who?

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>speedreading

Deidara definitely

Kakuzu>Kisame>Hidan>Itachi=Pain>Deidara
Sasori is a puppet, so he hasn't dick, Orochi has a vagina now.

>Aburames are long-distance fighters.

In Kabutos fights he always has a go at fighting close quarters.

You just know that it was Konan

She is the only non-virgin of the group though

I meant Shino

If the series kept any sense of ambushing or avoidance fighting that part 1 had, he could have stayed relevant. He just doesn't work as a DBZ fighter.

He was a minor character even in part 1, he could never become relevant.

Shikamaru remained relevant despite just spamming shadow binding from his very first appearance.

Neji was a jonin. He, Temari, and Kankuro were all Jonin at the start of Shippuden.

Damn, this would have fixed that whole asspull

Okay, "could have hypthetically remained impactful in some fights the previous user was referencing" There you go

It's space-time ninjuutsu, I ain't gotta explain shit.

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Bunta is a dumbass. He should have cut Manda in half, he knows the damn slug can split up and heal.

Hinata is a confirmed chunnin and Naruto is hokage which is a ninja rank

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It took such a little time for kishimoto to completely scrap the mercanary ninja aspect of the story out of it.

I thought genjutsu could only be used when the third tomoe appeared.

Ehem... i am going to say it.

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Stop!

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anybody got that pasta with naruto's rerwitten facts on orochimaru from when the meme about him getting away with everything was around ? I like it a lot

This one?

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That was just some made up fan bullshit to excuse Sasuke being shit at genjutsu before going to Orochimaru

DIRTY... DUMB... UCHIHA... SCUM!

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Didn't Kakashi say some shit like "i am going to use all the jutsus i have copied until now" in war and then did absolutely fucking nothing. How did the hack even become a Hokage?

no it's one about falsified facts about him being a good guy and a great scientist, I still like it tough so thank you anyway

Evil racist piece of shit!

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of all the stupid asspulls in Naruto, that's the one you focus on? pic fucking related

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FUCK INDRA
FUCK UCHIHA
FUCK MADARA
And fuck konoha's police too.

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Sasuke should have died against Bee. And fucking did, twice.

Do you mean fuck literally?

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he fucked a zetsu onahole

When he was introduced Bee was probably the most powerful character in the stroy

Why? The whole point of that fight was to hype Bee by having Sasuke job to him. Why is it unrealistic for Sasuke to survive when he has 2 god tier healing ninjas on his team but no-one even bats an eye or says a thing when Killer Bee magically doesn't die after having the 8 tails extracted from him by Madara. We know it's you, Tobirama.

>Neji was a jonin
People tend to forget that because he never did shit in all of part 2, he was always shown just following Guy's orders rather than getting his own team and it seemed that chunnin Shikamaru outranked him since he was a chunnin exams proctor and was a deputy leader of a regiment in the war

You wish, scum. No Senju's superior genes for you.

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The original O MY RUBBER NEN, but by that point Naruto was already a joke so it didn't cause as big as a shitstorm.
I'm particularly angry at blind human Madara surviving the onslaught of the 9 tailed beasts at the same time while using sharingan jutsus without eyes.

It's also kind of weird and sad to me that he resurrected himself and was at his prime... But decided to go away spend the rest of his life inside a tree and died of old age. Never fought Hashirama again. And I'm sure he could have surprise killed Tobirama, who wasn't expecting him or something. But nope he went for the long play.

Okay.

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Wait a minute...if that's possible...how come any Uchiha ever dies? Ok maybe they don't know it works that way but I mean, why didn't at least Madara do this again? It's not like his eye didn't heal, or he didn't have a 2nd one anyway. Shit makes no sense.

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Killer Bee got away though?

His whole throat and half of chest was ripped off. Yet he was still alive and SOMEHOW breathing. There shoulnd't have been any time for healing.

yeah but SM Naruto could literally kill every opponent he would face without even touching them

Fine, no genes, just fucking. Tobirama knew about clan of love a LOT.

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The ranks weren't given proper respect. Back in Naruto even two exhausted Jounins ran into the sound four and forced them to go 2nd seal all at the same time or else they'd get killed. A Jounin was leagues ahead everything.
Neji becoming one should have meant he was on Kakashi and Gai's league, he should have been seen with his own little team being treated as a genius boy.

And let's not even get into the ANBU stuff, they are supposed to be stronger than Jounins and should have killed at least a few Pains.

No he didn't, I'm talking about when Madara "kills" Naruto and Sasuke too. Both of them got valid reasons for being revived, but how the FUCK did Bee survive? Did his dad also split his tailed beast into 2 and stash the other half so he could get it later? OBVIOUSLY FUCKING NOT.

That's called brains and finding alternate ways to power up

>FUCK INDRA
Good taste.

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PURGE THE UNCLEAN!

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Also Shino do respect any life. He is real human being.

It was a flawed system from the start. What's the fucking use of having the strongest ninjas that get the biggest contracts spending most of their time being glorified babysitters?

because kishimoto literally forgot about 60% of his cast between part 1 and part 2, then added more shitty characters like Sai that he'd then go on to forget as well

kek
ANBU got completely ignored in part 2
I legit forgot that ANBU even existed until I saw an ANBU mask on the internet and remembered they were part of nardo

Kabuto was great in early nurutu. He actually did ninja things and felt more sinister out of shear finesse than outright power. That was also back when Kish wasn't afraid to say that "x thing is possible, but stupidly difficult during combat." Most of what he did was inefficient in the middle of a fight, but he still made it work. And we got plenty of examples of how badly a medical specialist can fuck you up with more round about techniques between Tsunade (it's a shame she forgot how to do everything but heal and punch) and Kabuto. Especially being able to purposefully heal someone wrong.

He was an asshole, but his personality was interesting. Being on Oro's side, but still being played off as potentially double crossing him was great. And for all of the taunting and beating he gave Naruto, it came off like he was genuinely frustrated that Naruto was risking his wellbeing, not just the usual dream wall.

And then we have part 2 Kabuto and it might as well be a different, trainwreck of an existence.

Now that you mention it, Part 1 Kabuto was the only really good example of a "combat medic" type of ninja. All of the other healers are just people who can fight, but also heal sometimes, as separate skills.

He is pretty much the only one who integrated medical techniques and anatomical knowledge into his fighting style proper.

During that Zombie War, didn't Hiashi give Neji a title of "Leader of the Hyuugas" (that are participating in the war) ???

Not sure if that's right or not (not that it even mattered), but I believe he got that role since Hinata is so terrible as a ninja and leader.

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There is zero possibility that Jiraiya could have taken Itachi.

He was up there.

Tier list:
Naruto w/summons
Gaara
Sasuke CS2
Naruto w/out summons
Rock Lee
Neji
Shino

What makes you think he didn't? Probably just holed up in another cave smoking godtree again.

The frog song seems to be a victory move if the enemy hears it, so it goes through Susanoo. And Jiraiya has backup from them to take him out of a genjutsu should he fall for it (he won't). Then there's also Gamabunta providing some sort of distraction.

I still think Madara should have been the final villain of Shippuden and left Kaguya for an OVA set after Toneri and before Momoshiki.

Itachi didn't think so. He didn't want to risk it.

>naruto beats Kiba, Neji, Gaara
>is ranked well below them
You're fucking retarded

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>For being so broken almost no-one ever uses genjutsu except Itachi
They made genjutsu op with Itachi. They tried to nerf it by saying you can get out of a genjutsu if someone jolts you with some chakra or you have a chakra monster inside of you. However Itachi's genjutsu made it so that a few seconds would still be like hours, so you'd have to have the most autisticly observant team to react fast enough. However this makes every genjutsu that isn't Itachi's op one fairly useless in most scenarios. Not to mention it's never used in things where it would actually be useful. Like interrogation where you could really fuck with someones head without harming them physically to get info; or using a genjutsu to distract/incapacitate someone rather than knocking them out or fighting them.

I like how Genjutsu was used during the Danzo fight, at least.

Sasuke knew his Genjutsu was shit compared to Itachi's but he confirmed earlier on the fight that it WOULD work against Danzo if only for a moment. So he uses a really subtle one to make Danzo think he has one more Sharingan left than he does (since each eye lasts a different amount of time, he can't reliably count them himself and has to look at them)

That was smart application of genjutsu

nice head canon
that was simply before Kishi gave Itachi 1,000 absurd abilities that he had yet to pull out of his ass
hell, that was so far back he probably still thought Itachi was going to be a bad guy

I could have seen him become the next Ibiki rather than a teacher. Put a bug in someones ear or sinus cavity and they'll talk pretty quick.

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It's not head canon. He straight up tells Kisame that it wouldn't be wise to fight Jiraiya in this situation, that they shouldn't risk it and just leave.

Too bad it was the last time we got to see any strategy behind genjutsu.

The sharingan was just too op either way. Really wish they'd have given the byakugan some buffs to even it out as it's even outclassed by the rinnegan. Byakugan is a lot about sealing chakra, so making them able to seal away summons as well could have been a helpful ability to counter things like sussuno and animal path, or give them some sort of advanced medical jutsu since having xray eyes and the ability to change chakra flow can actually be pretty useful for that.

I like how Shino has a different dub voice in his first appearance than in the rest of the series.

>have you ever heard of the red headed centipede?

>it's not true, it's just bad writing
Nice headcanon. Itachi wasn't lying, remember in what state he was after escaping the frog belly? Couldn't even keep up his Sharingan.

They should just find some better bugs

>Hating on HARD WORK, the character
>Not realizing the gold that is Naruto SD
Even Japan knew he was wasted in the main series.

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You'll hear a lot of it until it finishes chewing through the ear drum, then you won't hear much, just feel a lot of scratching as it burrows deeper into your head.

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Yeah, Shino was definitely among the top for the Konoha 12. Naruto, Sasuke, Neji, and Lee outclass Shino, and Shikamaru can outmaneuver him, but yeah. He s clearly the strongest one after them.

Shikamaru was able to completely outmaneuver and out-strategize his opponent using limited intel and a sudden change in the battlefield. Part of being a Chunn is learning how to strategize on such a level that you can command a team of other ninja. Shino has decent strategic ability, but it was nowhere near Shikamaru's level at this point in the series.

Shino is a Jonin; Shikadai himself confirmed that Shino has Jonin-class skills. Don't let his bad performance against Boruto and the others fool you. Nue didn't know how to control Shino's power. Naruto said that Shino truly went all out, Boruto and the others would have been done.

Choji physically is one of the strongest ninja there. Shikamaru admitted that Choji at his peak is the strongest of the Sasuke Retrieval Team at the time, and this was factoring Neji. Choji should be ranked a lot higher. He only lost to Dozu because he was outmaneuvered and sound was particularly effective against Choji's technique, not because he was weaker.

Also, Naruto should rank higher. His stamina and chakra are absolutely god-tier. Yes, he's physically weaker in base, but he can endure his opponent's attacks and come up with a good strategy to beat them. Also, Naruto with Kurama blows everyone else in the rankings. We should also have Naruto with Kurama's chakra in the rankings, being stronger than everyone aside from Kabuto.

>insects eat chakra
>all you need is a chakra field around you and they'll be useless
You do realize what you just said right?

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>Choji physically is one of the strongest ninja there
Choji and Kiba swap on weakest taijutsu users that main taijutsu. Naruto, Neji, Hinata, Sauske, and Lee can all out tai Choji. Especially the early arc when his signature move was just turning into a large ball. He sucks at adapting to strategy, his go to is just eat his steroids and go butterfly SSJ then be useless for a month until he puts weight back on. Even in the War arc when he could use full body transformation, he was still jobbing compared to everyone else.

Kishimoto wised up and realized Abrurame are massively broken, so he nerfed Shino and the rest of the clan.

The dude was killing people with ease in the forest of death, yet he gets his ass kicked by Kankuro whom he should've been a hard counter for.

I can buy that since JJBA also did post-death stands.

>You realize the reason Kishimoto wrote Shino out of the Sasuke Retrieval mission was because he knew Shino could have beaten the Sound 4 (5) with ease.

>The Abrurame clan is lame because some Uchiha dude who gets a power boost every arc is stronger than him
What a dumbass argument. If the fact that Shino can send an orb of parasectic insects at you or simply punch you and make your body implode from fast growing insects then the fact that Shino was able to become a Jounin with only one jutsu type should convince you otherwise.

Not entirely wrong though. If the person is pumping out an elemental chakra for defense the bugs ought to get fried. Also, we never really got a whole lot about what Shino could do to support them, and it doesn't seem like he could adequately train them to eat through the chakra of some of the more freakish people to any meaningful extent.

How Aburame scale and get stronger seems kind of weird. They're relying on biological creatures that don't really seem to have that much potential to be improved on via training, and they have a limited number of them based on their own body size. So really, aside from getting a slightly larger number of bugs as their body gets bigger, their main gimmick seems to be just about as strong the second they can exert control over the bugs as it will ever be, save for more intelligent and better executed control.

But their ambush potential is absurd, and they're definitely broken against more average fighters. They also seem like they'd be great for covertly taking out barriers.

Because it doesn't really change the point that Abrurames are one-trick ponies. Literally all you have to do is disrupt their chakra or perform some high rank jutsu and his bug arsenal will be wiped out.

You can infuse the bugs with your own chakra, and he has breed bugs with different abilities in mind. I think there was one fight where he breed insects mid fight to counter something, but it was in a filler arc so take it for what it's worth.

Aburames are a hard counter for EVERY SITUATION where it's not possible to use massive overkill to wipe them out.
>best clones
>extremely versatile
>good luck finding hiding NINJA INSECTS
>extreme range and multitasking
>inescapable tracking
>wide range of attack methods, from chakra drain to EXPLOSIONS
You have to either be so powerful their bugs can't get near you without being fried, or so superior in every way you can find and kill them inside a sea of their homing inescapable death bugs before you get eaten alive. They're like a hyuuga, if they could be everywhere at once within their range.

The reason they're not the most OP fuckers alive ruling the world is that there are ways to counter them (fire, insecticide, electricity, etc...), and every move they make loses more and more insects, eventually leaving them unable to fight until they can breed more, which takes a LOT more time and effort than resting a few days.
In other words, an army of chunin could eventually wear down an Aburame, killing more and more insects until they could isolate and kill him. That same army against an Uchiha is fucked because he can keep going at 100% bullshit as logn as he's alive, and the only counter is another Uchiha of similar power.

Chouji is one of the most powerful members of the Konoha 11, what the fuck are you on?

>Konaha spy who wants konaha to prosper
>Both him and Jiriyas direct counter are there
>Makes up an excuse so they don't have to kill one of Konahas best ninja

>not asspull
>Itachi can't keep up sharingan!
>meanwhile years later when his disease is much worse and he's at death's door and he use way more jutsus including amateratsu back to back and keep up sharingan
>this is not a contradiction or bad writing

>That image
No wonder naruto kept chasing after sasuke

Didn't the 8 tails cut off one of his tentacles and that was apparently enough to prevent B from dying?

The person I was replying to doesn't think Kishi had yet decided Itachi was a good guy, though.

Any way you slice it he didn't want to fight Jiraiya and respected his abilities.

It is not a case of "Itachi would 100% win"

No, he just said that the branch family were now treated as equals that no longer exist just to protect the main branch... right before Neji dies to protect a member of the main branch

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>has no problem using Nejis seal on him when he was 7 or so
>Doesn't want the branch family to be treated like shit now they one of his daughters would become a branch member
What a fucking hypocrite

Difference is Neji chose to protect Hinata instead of being forced into it

Dude was suicidal and already brainwashed.
>In death I’ll be free, like a bird let out of its cage

He had already btfo Orochimaru by himself, he could certainly take on Jiraiya, especially with Kisame's help

They use Sausage and his mindraping for that in the Bort manga

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I miss him.

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>consensus that writing is crap
>consensus that this manga is nothing but as pull out of asspull
>still talked about and threads still exists
Why?

Better then the current running shonen

Who even watches shounen?

The beginning was good, and the ending was entertainingly bad. The combination of nostalgia and schadenfreude is more than enough to endlessly spawn threads.

Meh, so many characters in this series are fucking insane, Neji being suicidal doesn't surprise.
Hell I'm just amazed Kakashi never went fucking mad after having so much tragedy afflicted to him to the point his tragedies makes characters like Hamlet look like Puck from a Midsummer Night's Dream.

>dad committed suicide after being mocked by the entire village for putting his friends above the mission I never really bought this, that was only about 15 years before the story and the leaf village is never portrayed as this heartless, or caring that much about "the rules"
>forced to kill your cute female teammate
>have a constant, physical reminder of the friend you failed to save who you watched get crushed by a rock - in fact this reminder becomes your nickname, it's what you're famous for. That and the dead dad thing.
>after this join Anbu and spend a solid decade murdering people as a career
>get forced to train a genin team
>don't want to so you fail all of them until a group comes along that reminds you of your dead friends
>this eventually leads you to participating in a World War which was caused by the friend you thought got crushed by a rock
>literally die and get resurrected at one point
You're right, Kakashi should be completely fucking insane. That's just a bit too much for one life.

I even left out Tsukuyomi.

What was the deal with Kabuto? Stopped reading a long time ago

I know people who came back from Iraq who lost most if not all their friends and was shunned by his family which was the reason he went into the army in the first place. Lost both his legs and all his fingers in his left hand. He seems completely fine. Some men are just more vulnerable to mental illness than others I think.

>new manga comes out
>expect to see new uchihas
>its a fucking girl
>just one fucking girl
>she has sharingan
Fucking what? I thought he was going to revive the clan. Why does a girl have the sharingan? What the fuck is this shite?

Those are 18 year olds max, usually older. By the time he was 14, Kakashi had lost all the people he had loved because of the consequences of war.
Big difference.

>I never really bought this, that was only about 15 years before the story and the leaf village is never portrayed as this heartless, or caring that much about "the rules"
It was a war for survival. We saw in Part 1 Hiruzen be totally fine with Neji's dad killing himself to ensure peace with Kumo.
Kakashi's dad failure almost cost Konoha the war.

Ah that makes sense then. I was under the impression it was just a routine mission.

He was forced to work for Danzo as a spy under threats to his den mother and the other orphans he lived. Eventually Danzo being Danzo saw him as a threat and made his den mother kill him, but not before tricking her into thinking that her target wasn't Kabuto. Orochimaru found him afterwards.

*try to kill him, but Kabuto ended up killing her only finding out her identity at the end

Geass was and still is loved by Yea Forums. Isekai is bigger than ever in both Japan and the west and even here. What's so surprising that Naruto is treated any differently?

It has one of the strongest and most original worlds, second only to One Piece. Many characters are also compelling, for good and bad reasons. This allows for lengthy discussions on theories, potential new story idea etc etc

Sasuke should start his own version of the Foundation, prove me wrong.

Imagined all the shit that could have been avoided if Hashirama married an Uchiha woman.

Based 7rips

>the Foundation
what?

He pretty much serves the same function when you think about it, it's just that the missions he conducts in the shadows for Naruto are a lot less shady than what Danzo was doin for Hiruzen.

Another name for Root, Danzo's organization within Anbu

Then just call it Root.
Also, regardless of whether you think Sasuke should or not, he wouldn't.

>combining uchiha and senju genes
That kid would have been the anti-christ.

Shikamaru, one of the smartest characters in the series who observed Neji and Naruto fightiing, flat-out stated Choji was stronger physically than them. Also, there's no way Hinata of all people could beat Choji; her taijutsu was shit. You can make a case for everyone else, but Hinata? Fuck no.

>hinata
>taijutsu was shit
No.

The difference is sage mode chakra is even more cheating than those are.

Yes. She was pathetic at taijutsu, so much so that Hanabi, her younger sister, was stronger at it than her. Hinata was a weakling on her team. She is also soft-hearted unless Naruto is there to spur her own; she wouldn't fight all out against Choji. Choji also has the power and mobility advantage against Hinata. Hinata's style is a slow burn that does damage over time. Incompatible against someone like Choji who goes all out right away.

I actually felt bad for Danzo when he died because the flashback for his backstory, at least in the anime, seemed like he was a good dude who wanted to protect his village (even though he really wasn't, especially by not helping with the Pain invasion at all)

Danzo had good intentions from the very beginning, but his arrogance and desire for control fucked him over so badly. He was indirectly responsible for Itachi, Sasuke, Pain, and Kabuto being bad.

>especially by not helping with the Pain invasion at all)
This is something he oddly has in common with Sasuke. His idea that it was better for most of the village to die off so he could build something new in its place is really no different form Sasuke wanting to kill the 5 kage while they were still in infinite tsukuyomi.

In his own twisted way, it was still for the betterment of the Leaf because he thought his way of doing things was the only correct way.

>ANBU ignored in part two
Did...did you miss the whole thing with the Foundation and the fact that it was a training camp for the ANBU?

>Hinata's style is a slow burn that does damage over time
>Literally destroys organs and cause all sorts of internal bleeding
>slow burn
>SLOW BURN

Chouji had the strongest raw physical strength, sure. But he had far less ways of applying it effectively than Neji and Naruto. Both of them would still take him in a fight unless he used the food pills.

Shikamaru probably knew about the food pills and was factoring this in.

How is he responsible for Pain? I thought Pain came because Obito orchestrated Yahiko's death.

I'm not sure you could argue for Sasuke, Itachi basically thought his clan was beyond saving and needed to die so the whole country didn't get fucked over because of their selfish actions, Itachi did the right thing mostly by his own accord.

Agreed 100% with Kabuto tho

He's not directly responsible for Pain but he was working with Hanzo or something - he was there when they fucked over Nagato's group if I remember correctly.

Danzo was up to a lot of shit actually.

He tricked Hanzo into believing Akatsuki were trying to over throw him in Ame. His actions lead to Hanzo setting the Ame orphans into a trap where he forced Nagato to kill Yahiko or Konan would die.

>Chouji stronger physically than them
If Naruto could go toe-to-toe with Sasuke in Susanno, who's complete Susanno rival's Madara's, who could slice mountains in half, then no, I don't think Chouji is that strong. I think he meant that more as a motivational speech or something, not quite literally.

Yeah that's true, I forgot about that detail

Danzo is really scum then, holy shit

I thought we were talking about during the time of the Chunin exams

>tricked Hanzo
You make it sound like he was some pathetic, easily manipulated child. He was the leader of the Rain and survived a 1v3 against the Sannin. It's his own damn fault if he thought some band of kids could actually overthrow him. He's to blame for the hostage situation and Yahiko's death, not Danzo.
Ironically killing Yahiko is the catalyst that ultimately did lead to him being overthrown by Akatsuki. Serves him right.

This is Salad, she's going to be the next Hokage. Say something nice about her!

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Shes a terrible animator because she never suffered in her life

>Uchiha as a Hokage
>Tobirama grave rage in the distance

It was known that Nagato had the Rinnegan, that alone made Hanzo belive in Danzo

Uchihas are too emotionally unstable to be hokage

Naruto = Me

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> farting in kiba's face = beating him in a fight
Survey says no

Already debunked in this very thread.
Guess the manga's not the only thing you speedread.

>itachi
Well the backup plan to prevent the uchiha massacre was using shisui's eye to mind control them into not rebelling which would have worked but danzo was against it for whatever reason. So he kinda was responsible for itachi turning out the way he turned out.

Except he can only mind control ONE person, and even if Fugaku suddenly was like 'hey guys, lets like, not rebel and stuff', the rest of the clan would still be pissed and probably rebel without him.

If Danzo knew that nagato had the rinnegan why would he tell hanzo to kill nagato who at that point had barely any control over it? If Danzo really knew about that rinnegan he would have taken it himself. So i don't think the rinnegan was a factor in Hanzo and Danzo deciding to kill the akatsuki

Shisui's mind control power could be used twice a day(one person per eye) so he could have eventually, within a month really, used it to mind control enough high ranking Uchiha to avoid the rebellion.

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She'll achieve her dream.

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Stay in the ghetto, demon spawn, there is no place for Uchiha in the Konoha's politics.

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I may be remembering, but I recall that everyone who saw the Rinnegan imediattly knew what it was.

It's a slow burn though. She has to strike individual tenketsu points, and with Hinata's lack of precision and speed it will be slow as hell. She didn't develop her Air Palm at this point either, so she needs to get up and close to Choji to seal his tenketsu. Too bad he is already a physical threat by this point.

The point I'm making is that Choji's physical strength was said to be so high by the Sasuke Retrieval Arc that he should be ranked higher in . Putting Choji near the bottom of the power ranking is an injustice to his character. He is at least Zaku tier and probably just under Yoroi or Misumi tier. Even with the food pills, Choji could have used them like any other weapon in the exam. If Kiba and Shino are factored with their animals, and Kiba for his own food pill, then Choji should also be counted for his medicine.

This was Chunin Exam power rankings, user. Naruto and Sasuke would be god-level by the war. Even in the war itself, Choji had potential to surpass Asuma, a Jonin.

That was with Senju chakra. Without it the cooldown was like a fucking decade.

Name calling isn't going to stop her.

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She'll die in child birth having Boruto's baby. That baby that will be quarter Uchiha, but have the Uzumaki name might have a chance to be Hokage.

Her own mental problems will stop her.

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>but have the Uzumaki name
Boruto would pull a Minato/Gendo and give the child the Uchiha name if Sarada died. He's too infatuated with Sasuke and too sentimental to not have a memento of Sarada.

Even a DROP of uch*ha is too much friend.

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Didn't Danzo have an arm full of Uchiha eyes

To defeat an enemy, it is often times best to use their own weapons. He countered the uch*ha with glorious HASHIRAMA cells.

>asking logic from a fag larping as a character who befriended uchiha

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>the leaf village is never portrayed as this heartless
It's the same with the Naruto bullying, we see that most other kids were generally ok with Naruto as long as he didn't act like a loud retard but his flashback paint him as some poor lonely kid that everyone fucking hated.

The general village is allowed to treat its people like shit but the known characters can only be portrayed as good people.

He is a hypocrite. What he ultimately wanted was to make a name for himself and to become a supreme being. Danzo wouldn't have done half of the shit he did if he truly only did it to protect the village. Hell, he fucking conspired with a known traitor.

He should get his own six paths of pain

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Except that he didn't really want to change much other than wanting to be the guy in charge

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dont forget
>stabbed hundreds of times per second repeatedly for 72 hours straight by the man who murdered his dead friends family, to the point he became a vegetable for two weeks

There is literally nothing wrong with being Uchiha.

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>highly trained soldiers that are supposed to come up with impressive strategies on their own, disassociate from their emotions, and operate in absolute secrecy
>even if they can't use it on that level, they have a working knowledge of sealing and what it entails
>given a gag order, no one outside of the higher ups are to know that Naruto holds the Kyuubi
>everyone knows
>everyone treats him poorly for it
Even without the telling/showing disconnect, the shaming basis was really kind of compromised in the first place

He doesn't really do any of the same stuff. He is just the anti-alien investigation task force. Basically men in black. They dont do CIA stuff.

Reminder
>Hashirama: if we want this village thing to work out, treat the Uchiha as equals, don't fuck with them or they'll hate us
>Tobirama: nah, I'm gonna fuck with them
>REEEE why do the uchiha hate us!?!?!?

In retrospect, this pretty fucking stupid

>gives them a role in the village that deeply ingrains them into the community and gives them a level of authority
>REEEE we're oppressed and we have to walk too far!

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He didn't forget it, he said he left out Tsukuyomi.

>tobirama sows seeds of distrust between uchiha and rest of the village
>then gives them a role as an "apology"
>uses role try and leash them
>still spies on them
>REEEEE how come you still distrust and hate us?!?!?

I still to this day am mad we never get to see fugaku in action, even in filler. Itachi claimed it was his worst matchup and he also is supposed to be kage level. Where is my fugaku fight.

filler also shows him with the mangekyo, but that was filler...

>Be Uchiha
>Vote for Hashirama
>Side with the village when your crazy ex leader abandons it
>Second Hokage still doesn't trust you
>Makes you the Police, so you will never have any political power
>Get blamed for an attack you didn't commit, moved to isolated quarter and placed under surveillance
>A small part of the clan decides that this is enough and that part plans a coup
>Danzo manipulates an Uchiha child to kill the clan using his devotion to the village and love of his brother
>Didn't do anything wrong, die
>Reeee, why Uchihas are so evil?

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We'll see about that.

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>fight and kill uchiha all your life
>suddenly expected to trust uchiha
It's almost like Tobirama lived a life before the village where his paranoia was completely and utterly justified.

Konohagakure ain't free, the leaves of the village have got to be littered with the blood of those with the will of fire. Madara Uchiha aka Madlad 'Jew'chiha ain't my hokage. Senju and woodstyle, not uchiha and sharingan okay? Praise jashin!

>lived a life before the village where his paranoia was completely and utterly justified.
Maybe then he should remain the military instead of engaging in politics? Uchiha were citizens of Konoha, a good political leader had to take into account their rights too, and not perceive them as sleeping agents.

>paranoia was completely and utterly justified.
>created a self fulfilling prophecy by doing the EXACT opposite of what Hashirama wanted him to establish the village peacefully

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>two dead people

This is why Obito was such a shit character, his reasons for hating the world were completely laughable in comparison to almost every other major character in the series. Nagato grew up in a war riddled shithole that was the dumping ground for every major nation’s squabbles while having to watch his parents, his dog, and best friend be killed in front of him. Madara had all of his siblings be killed and spent most of his life fighting, and grew old as fuck watching how the worlds conflicts repeated themselves. And Obito decided to go completely fucking nuts and destroy everything he had ever cared about because his one sided crush died? Like why didn’t he even bother to question Kakashi what had happened, you’d think that’s something he would immediately want to know

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>Delusional Uchiha think that because they aren't given control of the peace they were handed, they're being oppressed

Skillwise he's a jonin, he just never bothered getting the rank.

>Makes you the Police, so you will never have any political power
Thing is, who actually has got political power?

Hiruzen's Konoha seemed ruled exclusively by him, with the rest of his former teammates as advisers (though it seems that Kagami and the Akimichi guy died at some point)

> implying infringement of basic civil rights is normal

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>ninja village ruled by a dictator
>civil rights
???

>why aren't people happy being treated like dogs of the government, have no say in how they'll be governed, and treated like criminals for something they didn't do while being constantly surveilled
>they are the only ones in the village with this unfair treatment
>everyone else is free

Uchiha could not even get to Anbu, Itachi was the first. They could not take part in the political life of Konoha. Others have not been subject to such discrimination.

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dumb frogposter

But the central functions of the village are exclusively run by the hokage and his councelors, most of which got their jobs just by being part of the previous hokage's former team rather than due to any clan privilege bullshit.

And none of them wanted to see Uchiha in the political structures that they headed, other residents could work for the government.

>Madara and Pain had a lot of people die!
Obito threw his life away for the sake of his morals, not even Rin, and got a cosmic level comedy of it basically creating hell for him. He personally felt responsible in part for Rin's death because he saved the person that killed her.
And it really wasn't like "but bro, they put the three tails in her!" was going to help. Obito clearly knew that Kakashi didn't kill her for laughs. He just had every foundation of morality mattering ripped out of him.
The other two lost a lot passively, sure, but they didn't go nearly as far in terms of actual sacrifice before falling off the edge cliff.

Not him, but you're still ignoring the fact that Uchihas were blamed for an attack they didn't commit, physically moving them to isolate them, and then spied on as if they were criminals. And the fact that they were collectively dogs of the government, they were leashed and subdued. If one Uchiha made a mistake or stepped out of line, the entire clan could be punished. "see, the uchihas are abusing their power" or "it's a power grab by the uchihas, they're plotting something". No one else had this discrimination, invasion of privacy, or having their lives/role in the village so narrowly controlled.

No one else in the village had eyeballs that made them the ninja equivalent of supermen.

It would be more understandable if Kishimoto wasn't obsessed with "muh team 7 parallels" with all the other teams from the past and actually had Rin like Obito back. In reality she was willing to jump on Kakashi's dick like an hour after Obito's death, and this fucked up shit is actually canon. In the anime(it was filler i think), Obito's grandma even told him that there are thousands girls like Rin in the village. Give it a few year and he would have given up on it and start comparing his feelings with his love for ramen or something
God, Obito is pathetic.

You're being just as retarded as Tobirama by creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Remember trust nothing Kishi says. He claimed Hiruzen was the strongest of the 4 Hokages and was dubbed the "God of Shinobi" a title only else given to Hagoromo and Hashirama.

>ninja equivalent of supermen.
Only ms makes you superman, and there were only THREE ms users in the Uchiha clan at that time (Itachi, Fugaku, Shisui). Itachi worked for Danzo, Shisui was easily beaten by Danzo, only Fugaku could pose any danger. Danzo himself thought that their riot is very stupid and poor planned, he could've dealt with it differently, but he chose not to, because he wanted them dead.

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>Fugaku
Literally SP fanfic shit. Kishi is not like Oda who the studio has to go through in order to get permission.
That might have changed with Boruto, but that's how it was before.

>Only MS makes you superman
>Because of a few techniques you can't rely on
>Chiyo basically says fighting any sharingan user 1v1 is retarded, MS or no

>fighting any sharingan user 1v1 is retarded
They were defeated by treehugging hippies without kekkei genkai. Ordinary Uchihas are not so dangerous, some didn't even had sharingan. Only their leaders with ms can be a serious problem.

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>Literally SP fanfic shit
Even in the manga, there was only one ms user Fugaku on the side of the rebels. Riot was not a serious danger, Danzo could easily just arrest ring leaders.

Tobirama's slightly smiling in this pic never fails to incite a giggle in me.

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So now that we've established anti-Uchiha fags have no basis for their hate except to irrationally perpetuate a feud that was supposed to be settled by the First Hokage, let's get back to Salad.
Is Naruto still interested in accelerating Salad?

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Base sharingan gives you retarded advantages over the average ninja too.
>can copy any jutsu, besides kekkei genkai
>can ignore ANY visual genjutsu, unless it's from the MS or EMS
>can instantly put someone else under genjutsu with just looking into their eyes
>can detect/see chakra
Seriously, all that is just from the 'normal' sharingan. The vast majority of ninja are at a massive disadvantage when fighting a base sharingan.

they have no eyes, that's why they all wear shades. bugs nest where their eyes used to be.

To be fair tho, it still requires an insane amount of chakra to use and intense training to master. You can't do all of those nor sustain it in fights unless you fully awaken it and have tons of chakra. Both Sasuke and Sarada were still being caught off guard, falling for tricks, and having to ration usage with while only having one or two tomoe. You still have advantages, but not everyone was Itachi level.

Didn't Haku almost kill Sasuke in the very first part? Although, to be fair, I'm still not sure about his power level to this very day.

>Sasuke
>knowing any genjutsu pre-timeskip
You are aware you are supposed to use Sharingan while using Chidori through pages, right?

Prelims Lee would beat prelims Neji but would lose to Neji that fought Naruto, as by that point he developed Kaiten and 64 Palms

Shikamaru is more likely to do that. Remember his novel

>everyone and their mothers stroke his ego as rookie of the year
>acts as if Chunin Exams is the only time he can spaar with other teams
>he lacks hatred, not skill
>Naruto beating someone he could not is a sign he is weak, not that Naruto is stronger than he thinks
Sasuke was dumb judgemental idiot who thought of himself as better than anyone else, and was always surprised whenever someone shown to be superior
>muh Uchiha superiority
>muh Sharingan
>you lack hatred, brother
>still not ready to face him
He acted as if winning in Chunin Exams would prepare him for Itachi

Yeah, Obito was way too defined by his romantic feelings to be the full Naruto parallel he was meme'd out to be.

>treehugging hippies without kekkei genkai.
Those were still regarded as the strongest clan of the Nardoverse.

Yes, but Haku also shat his pants and said that he couldn't compete against the sharingan in a dragged out fight which is why he forced Sasuke to take a bullet for Naruto

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Where?

So ninjas are obsolete meaning Naruto nations will just have magic using soldiers instead to fight wars which may result in the disbandment of ninja villages since conscripting magic soldiers from all across the nation is a better way to form a centralized military force. Ninjas can only thrive in eras of feudal squabbling since they are mercenaries basically in a peaceful era like one Naruto created ninjas just as pointless as samurai were in Japan.

If you don't list Second Mizukage as the best thing that happened in War Arc, there's something wrong with you.

are these brothers?

Zabuza was A rank. So should be pre time skip Kakashi, really

It was off screened. Which is even worse than not doing anything.

Trap Sasuke is C U T E !

She should get tortoise summoning contract from Gai, really.

Sasuke did nothing wrong tho

You think that Gai ever bothered teaching anything to the non-Lee members of his team? He barely gave a shit about Tenten getting btfo offscreen in the chunnin exams and he couldn't even spare a thought for dead Neji when he was about to sacrifice himself.

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>Gets the Sage of 6 paths weapons
>Never uses them

>the Sage of 6 paths weapons

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Susanoo should be easily destroyed by a Hyuuga, in similar way to how Kaguya did it with her chakra arms that had Gentle Fist's properties of being able to destroy things made with chakra (see Neji vs Kidomaru).

Did Konan (and Nagato to that extension) ever see Obito unmasked? I mean, even the likes of Kisame only saw his face soon prior to his death.

Let's be honest here, Gai probably thinks about that awesome as fuck time he fought Madara for 5 seconds instead.

Just you watch, they’ll be instrumental in defeating the Ayys.

>in similar way to how Kaguya did it with her chakra arms that had Gentle Fist's properties
That seemed more of a case of simply using giant punches on the giant chakrazord.

They were a fucking joke compared to the sage's actual powers.

I'm convinved that they were simply used to play family games between Hagoromo, Indra and Ashura. What's the use of a weapon that only works if your enemy says a specific word?

The byakugan is useless, lmao

>Just you watch, they’ll be instrumental in defeating Madara
t. Tentenfags in 2014

He really was great and it felt like he did what he wanted

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Kabutos was better. Directly destroying cells is why Delta could hurt Naruto. Kabuto did the same thing with his Jutsu.

Nah. Haiku Mari was given the position because he was strategic.

The ranks go
>Genin, ground soldiers who obey the orders of their superiors
>Chunin, Soldiers who have proven to have leadership skills
>Jonin, the cream of the crop leaders for missions. Given the responsibility of raising the next gen
>Anbu, assassin ninja

Eh. Kishimoto did introduce to many characters I’ll agree. He should have cut out half of them and cut Sasukes screen time in half (maybe have someone do a monthly manga following Sasuke if he really needed that much screen time) and spread out that half of Sasukes time to the other Konaha ninja.

The senju's may not have been born with an eyehax but they were born with naturally large chakra reserves even greater than the uzumaki.

Clan power gap:
Senju
Uchiha
Hyuuga
Rest of the clans

Senju got quantity, while the Uchiha got quality when it comes to chakra.

Uchiha chakra was more potent and stronger, but the Senju got such a vast amount it made up for the difference.

The raikage and kazekage clans are way closer to the Senju/Uchiha than the Hyuga are.

>It would be a plot hole
Eh, not really. His parents never taught him shit because Itachi was their golden boy who could do no wrong. Sasuke had to beg Itachi to teach him something that’s a fucking staple of the Uchiha clan, Shuriken Jutsu.

His dad only taught him Fireball because he got begged to by Itachi (hell, even Itachi realized that Sasuke was getting the bad end of the stick).

Him not knowing Genjutsu makes sense given nobody took the time to actually teach him shit.

Nah. Hyuuga just don’t train or nurture talent (See Neji). Hinayana was called the “Byakugan Princess”, implying her eyes are just as good as Kaguyas

part 2 was a mistake

Hinata*

They do train, they just have a really low peak compared to the how bad the power creep got.

Itachi was called a genius because he could use genjutsu that didn’t need handsigns

Sasuke outright admits he’s not the genjutsu type in boruto

Biggest asspull was Nagatos rinnegan actually being Madaras. When did he even have time to do this? Why didn’t Nagato know?

He was called a genius because he was a fucking genius that was good at everything since he was little.

When exactly does he say that? He was good at genjutsu, just not capable of manipulating time inside the illusions like Itachi could

Yeah all tsunade does is throw around punches.

And while that’s neat and all, that’s not really medical ninja fighting

Especially with Kisame there. Kisame is literally a direct counter to him.

>Hinayana was called the “Byakugan Princess”, implying her eyes are just as good as Kaguyas
Too bad none are the Kaguya eye that matters

She wears glasses to, so she already has some shit tier sharingan

She was able to no sell Susano’o with her byakugan abilities.

>Pleb doesn’t realize that she wears glasses because she already unlocked her MS

>He doesn’t know about Sage of Six path TenTen

It's already better than her dad's was at her age

Mainly because Sasuke had nobody to teach him. Sasuke started from scratch.

>Hinayana was called the “Byakugan Princess”
Did that out of nowhere bullshit ever amount to anything or was it just to make Hinata a special snowflake worth kidnapping in The Last?

Nothing came out of it, unless the reason Burritos eye is like that is because of it.

>Mainly because Sasuke had nobody to teach him.
Of course he didn't

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Yeah he was real helpful for the first 13 years of his life.

He still gave Sauce some sharingan training

The reason salad and her generation seem stronger then their parents is because it’s a time of peace. Parents are there to teach their kids jutsu and techniques when Narutos generation had to pretty much teach themselves.

Naruto with his summons is the strongest.

Sasuke was the leader of a village for a short while, so he is hokage rank.

>Sasuke
>being there

He never used the gates on neji

The black village was based.

>Permanently crippled himself just to land a hit
Yeah sauce sure lost there

>Back in the day Zabuza was considered a peak jonin and top tier
>Series ends with people blow up mountains for fun
What the FUCK happened.

And no one was able to refute my claim. Good because you can't.

>Fugaku
What. Why did nobody take his eyes then?

Black Zetsu wouldn’t let his pawn die.

The very first page of the series said that the main character had a furry monster inside of him that could blow up mountains for fun

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Sasuke defeated Naruto. He was the strongest.

One stab to a chakra point defeated Adult Naruto. One hit and he’s done for the count.

He wanted to control the other kage. Not exactly a waste

>Snake summons are shit
Defeated both the frog and slug summons.

Well, living alone for 20 years will do that to ya

This should be the power ceiling no the minimum requirement. I hate how this turn into DBZ

>He was able to fight a child in sage mode
That’s like being impressed Kakashi could defeat child sasuke in C2

Shino has the worst version of his clans bugs we’ve seen. That one guy who worked for Danzo had bugs that could literally destroy things on a cellular level.

>Forced to move to the edge of the village, making them a shield for the other clans
>Forced to be police, makes it impossible for them to become hokage because a conflict of interest
>No spot on the elder seat
>Framed for the kyuubi attack

Tobirama was a racist who never got over the clan feud.

The Uchiha did, though. Hence why they voted of Hashirama instead of Madara for Hokage.

Which is why I’ll never understand why some people argue that the bay Kushiro was better

If Naruto is the only one allowed to have bullshit powers then there is no conflict at all

>Tobirama was a racist who never got over the clan feud.
He said that he did

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Haku was a genius. Probably an ever bigger genius then Neji.
>Basically taught himself Ice Style
>Taught himself how to be a ninja (there’s no way zabuza taught him)
>Became stronger than Zabuza

Shino's version of the clan bugs are the normal ones though. Torune's bugs are much rarer, since they don't choose a host as often.

Magic tech is the way of the future. Old boring ninja are in the past.

So, how strong could my boy Dosu have become if he had lasted till Shippuden?

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>Naruto got to tap that
Lucky man.

He’s full of shit because he didn’t remove the branch family seals. They’re still slaves to the main branch.

Pretty strong I’d say. He’d definitely be more useful then jugo or Karin was.

Maybe it's not possible to remove the seal?

>Naruto thread hits bumplimit
>on 2019 Yea Forums
Fuck off all of you. The series is done and you fags still infest this board.