What would Hitler’s class and noble phantasm be if he was summoned into the grail war?

This but with bullshit mechanics that are countered by even more bullshit reasons that make no sense desu

Who cares, he's dead

...

good way to start a day is to laugh

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>he doesn't know

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>Implying I care

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I thought everyone agreed with lancer because of that damn spear, or was it persona again?

You'll care when he'll make his appearance again in public and reveal to the world that the nazis, back then, created an immortality machine and that he achieved godhood. Not only that but he also cloned himself 100 billion times and now has an army of clones ready to kill and conquer the world under the flag of the Third Reich.
And guess what user,he'll begin his path of conquest, fire and death from YOUR HOUSE. You're fucking dead.

Grand lancer

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What would he wish for if he won the grail?

His mom to come back to life. No joke, he loved her to death.

KILL the Jews. Seems pretty obvious.

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Another world war, his best time in life was at the front during WW1

Why are people so scared of portraying this guy? He is like a self-made tabboo and he even dragged swastika, once positive symbol, down with himself. I'm no nazi sympathiser, but why does western culture get it's balls in a twist when he or swastika pops up?

To be accepted into the art academy.
(Source: Billy Bat)

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They don't want you to remember him.

Wanna guess which class he would be
Its Rider

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>have his mother back
or
>go to the art academy
but what if...
>Get his mother back and paint for her

Caster
NP allows him to give a speech that convinces the target to attack some designated third party.

Be accepted into art school.

He didn't really do much on his own. I dont know anything about the new bullshit GO classes but probably one of them. Maybe ruler or something.

His NP would have tgo be the thing that truly changed the world and warfare. Blitzkreig. Dont care enough to stat it out but probably gives a huge bonus to preemptive attacks.

Sounds like an Archer type of guy to me

he would be a girl
foreigner class
his noble phantasm would be a gas chamber reality marbel

No, they want you to remember him as the absolute evil. Which is okay, too bad that there's people who have done almost the same damage to humanity and you can portrait them normally.

Not a neo nazi and not /pol/ btw

>His NP would have tgo be the thing that truly changed the world and warfare. Blitzkreig
>Hitler invented mobile warfare

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>archer
>not lancer

But user. Blitzkreig is only his most basic ability.

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(((western culture)))

I made a FGO Hitler OC a while back but I think it's a good basis for his lore and skills:
>Hitler Lancer Lawful Evil BBQQA
>Skills:
>Triumphant Charisma A (Increase party's attack for 3 turns, further increase own attack for 1 turn)
>Hell Shower EX (Poison 5 turns + def debuff on enemy team + bonus damage against Abrahamic servants)
>Humanity Crime A (Bonus damage against Humanoid, increase NP strength for 1 turn)
>NP: "Holy Lance of Longinus (Fake) A" Buster (3 turns team NP gen up (apply first) + 3 turns damage against poisoned enemies up, Great damage on a single enemy (3 hits), Overcharge: DMG increased on Humanoids)

>They waiting for you Jews, in the gas Chambaaa,,,,,,,

>all these Lancer Hitlers
How about Avenger?

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Grail War WW2 starring Team Axis. Who will you summon?
Adolf Hitler
Benito Mussolini
Hideki Tojo
Hirohito
Wang Jiwei
Puyi
Miklos Horthy
Jacques Doriot
Boris III
Ion Antonescu
Oswald Mosley
William Dudley Pelley

definitely Hitler, he is just too famous right now that i dont think even Gil can do anything againts him

Why don't we have a Hitler-isekai yet? An isekai in which Hitler is the protagonist.

There is literally nothing wrong with punching Nazis.

Yeah, he gave his mother's Jewish doctor an special treatment and protection for most of the regime and war because he treated his mother and most times didn't ever asked for payment.

if i'm treating someone close to a man who's known to exterminate anyone resembling me, I wouldn't charge , too

Anime adaptation.
When..?

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Imagine being dumb enough to write this post.

Mosley Gang where you at?!

>Avenger
Ask again after HA gets an adaptation.

How strong will Hitler be if he's summoned at current year?

No tank can beat a Tiger. No tank will ever be able to.

>Why are people so scared of portraying this guy? He is like a self-made tabboo and he even dragged swastika, once positive symbol, down with himself. I'm no nazi sympathiser, but why does western culture get it's balls in a twist when he or swastika pops up?

Because jews hate him. There are tons of atrocities and the only reason why the west cares so much about the holocaust is because of jewish manipulation. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

6 million Jews is nothing compared to the amount of Allied troops that died in WW2. Nazis tried to displace Western economies and colonies all the while attempting to absorb business into the state. Assuming Jewish manipulation is the only reason the inividualist and Capitalist West does not view Hitler fondly is very reductionist

>6 million Jews is nothing compared to the amount of Allied troops that died in WW2
6 million Jews is nothing compared to the 12 million christians who died in Gulags because of jewish bolsheviks.

I think there is an interview where the actor says how disturbed he over the positive response of in the streets over his whole character. Also the writer was afraid they made him too sympathetic so they made him kill a dog for no reason.

Hitler and Germany was viewed fondly across the world even up until right before the war ended.

thats stupid. If you want him to be more evil then do it with stuff thats accurate like him hating niggers or jews but not dogs. He loves dogs and is a tierfreund. He would have never done this.

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>the writer was afraid they made him too sympathetic so they made him kill a dog for no reason.
That scene was only in the movie. The book (which has an official English translation) was much, much more sympathetic.

Hitler being from the 20th century and obe of the most OP servants with the Lance of Longinus would be funny, and it feels fitting.
Lancer, his other NPs would likely revolve more around the state, and the various myths around him.

Avenger Hitler would get all the army stuff, and the gas chambers

>I am the bomb of my sword

Have there been any Servants from the future other than EMIYA yet?

The entire final sequence with the movie where he gives that whole "I am you" lecture, and then cuts of him riding in an open-top car while random passersby salute him during the credits was movie-original scaremongering.

Steel is my body, and jet fuel is my blood.

>/pol/-approved
Kill all subhumans

>wholesome-tier
Be accepted in art school

>for the Deutschland
Try WW2 again.

>hating niggers
He didn't really hate niggers. I mean he(take this as also germany in general) didn't really interact with them. But I think they had the olympics or something in general and some american nigger runner said that he was treated way better in germany than in america.

>Lancer
>NP: Lance of Longinus

He would be just a boosted version of Iskandar

Iskandar didn’t have the spear of destiny

Which NP would he have? Gulag or not!All Fiction?

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>Rider
>NP: Russian bias

You all keep bringing up that Gas Chambers would be his NP, but I think a better and more Impactful and Intriguing concept would be "Die Glocke", going off of the Pre-existing Occultism surrounding him as well as throwing in the long rumored secretive advanced technology the Germans were stated to be working on throughout the wartimes.

I have melted over a thousand beams
Unknown to Bush
Nor known to Rice

Mussolini he was buffed as fuck

Class: Ruler
NP: 4th Reich

there should be a bomber class with just him in it

>Make him cute anime girl
>Make her a tsundere Rin face that is more tom boyish
>Wears epic Nazi uniform for protection against magic
>HIgh tights
>Class: Savior or rider or aveenger
>??????
>Profit

I think he'd be a Caster and his Noble phantasm would be like Alexander's army, but with tanks

He reminds me of this guy in more ways than one. Coincidence?

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>Ruler
>NP is "Rise of the 3rd"
>Art AOE damage to all enemies
>Burn and Defense debuff to enemies
>C.Star Gen buff to allies
>Attack buff to all white servant allies

What about the 20-27 million white orthodox christians who died in the soviet union alone due to germany's cowardly attack?

Because cultural marxism born from the Frankfurt school. Also, you're a coward.

How is cowardly to take on the whole world?

>backstabbing an ally is not cowardly

>An ally
The Soviets were sending aid to the Brits whom the Germans were at war with. There's more to the Bongs being able to hold out during the Battle of Britain than just the RAF.

What sort of aid?

Jessie Owens. American media mad a fuss over how Hitler didn't come out and personally congratulate him for winning, but Owens himself pointed out that he wasn't congratulated by the American president either.
The rules at the time also forbade leaders from congratulating anyone if they didn't congratulate everyone the same way, which absolutely nobody had time to do. And there are also interviews with Germans who lived under Hitler saying that Jessie Owens was celebrated in newspapers and children's books as proof that different races had different strengths and could all be successful if they played to those strengths, but of course all such "Nazi propaganda" was burned after the war.

Hold on, I may have gotten my dates mixed.

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Methamphetamine addiction

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>Soviets
>Ally
The whole reason the Nazis emerged and came to power was COMINTERN starting shit in Germany.

yeah, it's not like germany didn't get to built their armored force via oil imported from the soviet union and tankers trained in the soviet union

Yeah, I reversed not only the dates but also the recipient of the aid. It was the British sending aid (oil, machines) to the USSR after they had been invaded. Woops.

i thing you are mistaking germany for the soviet union and the soviet union for america

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school
the soviets were hardly anti-german and even in the days of the nazi party initially tried to establish peaceful diplomatic relations
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Soviet_Union_relations,_1918–1941#Relations_in_the_mid-1930s

Pretty bad.

Even more reason he'd be a lancer.

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>Implying he wont reappear reformed and trying to spread diversity

youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og&feature=youtu.be&bpctr=1553708244

This is common knowledge. Hitler tried to do this with everyone.

Below Stalin level

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Is this a plot to a new Legend of Koizumi?

I want to rape Reinhard.
He makes Mein hard.
I want to stick my finger tips.
Deep into his womanly wide hips.
I want to violate the Butcher of Prague.
I will do it in the style of a dog.
I want to rape Reinhard Heydrich.
With German Sausage, Snake and Dick

Hitler is a welfare

He'd probably qualify for the Avenger class easily, given that public perception has warped his character into "the most evil man ever: a guy who single-handedly tried to take over the world because he hated Jews so much". He'd probably have some kind of blown up charisma stat that would border on brainwashing and access to nazi super science that would buff everyone in his army to low servant level.

Ok?
How do you read my post saying
>Assuming Jewish manipulation is the only reason the inividualist and Capitalist West does not view Hitler fondly is very reductionist
and think I'm a bolshevik sympathizer?
What are you basing this off of? I'd say he was controversial at best before news about the camps spread, I would not consider him "viewed fondly" in any general sense. He wasnt even widely liked in Germany and Italy until he became Fuhrer and even then the NSDAP never secured a majority of the German support.
He saw some support in liberal newspapers in the West mainly for being pro-business and anti-union but that all faded when they realized Hitler's idea of business means everything is state owned and Capitalism dies, also the whole camps thing.

Pick a race, name it as undesirable, have a bonus against any servant of that race that can be increased by killing other members of the same race. Fighting inside Auzchwitz effectively reduces the power of any undesirable inside it. He can't pick Germanic though. Well he can but he doesn't because he doesn't want to admit his race.

If Vlad could access the powers of Dracula because the legend was associated by him, does that mean that Hitler can access every power he had in every story, book, movie or videogame where he appeared?

He was a veteran and helped design the Volkswagen Beetle, so maybe archer with some riding skills.

I want to rape the aryans

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He was viewed fondly because he was viewed as a front against communist because news about it was already circulating. Plus he was admired greatly for the "economic miracle" he pulled off in the transition from weimar to his germany. Plus the holocauster story was only a thing in his direct opposition countries. The French did really want the British to get involved in France and were upset because they would bring conflict since France was peaceful during German occupation. Even soviet farmers were in favor of Hitler because even though they though the pre-soviet conditions were shit now they were even fucking worse.
>even then the NSDAP never secured a majority of the German support
Thats plain bullshit. His initial support was low because he was viewed as a radical but after he established as the dominant power in Germany the general populace were very much in his favor (because he fucking fixed their economy so they didnt live like shit).

Could also just be a Rider to get lots of NPs to account for shitty modern era stats

you must be fun at partys

>because he fucking fixed their economy so they didnt live like shit
"fixed"
the majority of the work was done by hjalmar schacht of the DStP, then hitler ruined it by his retarded loans and monopoly money and had to loot other countries to keep it from collapsing

>then hitler ruined it by his retarded loans and monopoly money and had to loot other countries to keep it from collapsing
yeah, how about some proofs since i keep hearing this

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Dracula as a NP is probably because his fame outranks Vlad's for a lot of people, whereas Hitler using the Lance of Longinus to destroy the world in some 90's comic is a lot more of an obscure feat.

archive.org/details/ToozeAdamTheWagesOfDestructionTheMakingAndBreakingOfTheNaziEconomy

Excellent book

>Adam Tooze
> British left-liberal
>yale university professor
Better luck next time.

Do you actually have a source that counters it or are you just shitposting?

Got an unbiased source?

How is it biased? You haven't even reviewed it yourself, just kneejerked at the author. Review the evidence presented in the book.

is actually the case. as a boogeyman it allows for a lot more freedom for the socialists to advance their agenda than if people actually knew what kind of world he supported.

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When you punch a nigga so hard half his leg disappears.

Hitler also supported privatization of public industry which is also bad and socialist.

Also the scene druing the football world cup where he gave the german fans a speech how they should hate the enemy team with all their might had to be interrupted because the fans became so aggresive that they almost hanged some turk from a tree.

but the nazis were leftists

Drifters?

If you want to convinced people try providing something that isnt created by a person who wants to smear what he is talking about.
The person is obviously going to be dishonest and nitpick shit that proves his point.
You mean centrist. National Socialism (literally in the fucking name) was a mixture of right wind and left wing ideas.

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Assassin.

NP: Total removal. Has the ability to remove any traces of any servant/master he defeats.

>If you want to convinced people try providing something that isnt created by a person who wants to smear what he is talking about.
Proof that he wants to smear it?

Not true at all. He escaped death quite a few times by sheer luck.

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>USSR
>ally
I'd sooner trust the anglos

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How are his political views evidence? Everyone has political views, does that mean there is no reliably historiography in existence?

That's a pretty slick idea, funny given how large Stalin was.

>ally
You mean THE ally that was massing invasion forces counting millions, along with 11000 tanks, on the border? Poor old Joe!

The book actually argues that Hitler regime was an economic miracle, and his economic ministers and their policies were pretty damn good.

Proof?

>because i'm supposed to believe the guy who preaches man made global warming when he directly financially benefits from keeping the idea
No, fuck off. I'm not listening to a jewish dog over Hitler. The faggot has an agenda and you are faking ignorance if you claim otherwise.

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have sex

>jewish dog
Oh, so you were a neonazi instead. Well, that clears up the conversation. Completely unbiased yourself, uh-huh.

Class: Ruler, makes sure there are no jewish tricks being played

The thrust of the book is that Hitler started ww2 because he didn't want to pay back the debnts that his "economic miracle" incurred. It also goes into Hitler's actual economic policies and shows how they were very anti-worker but effective.

user, he is a professor at fucking Yale. That literally what it fucking means. And you don't have to support Hitler to fucking hate jews. Pretty much everyone outside of the west fucking hates jews.

Nat-soc is an odd, but well working mix. Far more capitalistic that italys, but a huge focus on self-sufficiency and state security.

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You're joking right? Not even the Russian sources deny the massive Soviet numerical superiority in June 41. Read literally ANY book, you illiterate fuck.

So you'd rather listen to a genocidal dictator than a professor at a university?

Where is the evidence they were poised for attack? Securing your border and newly-conquered region seems like a basic military move.

The only blacks in germany were, no joke, french foreign legions rape babys from the first war.
Of course they hated them as a general rule

Default is good for the debtor, not the creditor. You can argue that the creditors were the German banks and businesses, but it's as close to established fact as can be gotten in the dismal science that is economics that a domestic-based national debt is completely sustainable to ridiculous levels (see Japanese debt), and even quantittative easing doesn't even peturb inflation levels noticeably.

You DON'T secure your border by massing troops, tanks and planes right behind it. You secure it by building IN DEPTH fortifications. Or are you claiming that Soviets in 1941 were the most incompetent military in the history of mankind by virtue of not knowing THE ABSOLUTE fundamental principle of strategic defense?

Not him but if its a modern university. Then yes.
At least the dictator has actual world experience.

What makes a professor at a university an authority on anything? If anything university professors are bias incarnate because they are always surrounded by the same theory and only borrows from other's theory. Why am I supposed to believe all this is true and not completely fabricated by the winner of a war as an attempt to solidify their victory over their opponent both physically and ideologically? You think I'm naive enough to believe universities are some bastion of objective wisdom and not just a tool for indoctrination?

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Well i mean if you look at their human wave tactics and death count...
Without american / british aid they would have been fucked.

yep.
Inner debt > foreign debt. Every-time

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Listen. I need you, specifically you, and this is absolutely vital, I need you to google Stalin's height.

Brits and Americans did the same shit on D day.

Have withstood pain to create many bombs,waiting for one’s arrival.

He'd qualify for any of OG classes except Saber.
>Archer: Guns and shit, but he'd be a fucking terrible Archer
>Lancer: Lance of Longinus. Complete shit, but the lance of longinus makes him ridiculous.
>Rider: Would have skills/NPs related to Nazi stuff, stuff about him being a leader.
>Caster: Based on the rumors of nazis dabbling with occultism. Has a concentration camp and gas attack noble phantasm. Like most Casters, shitty but with ridiculous abilities.
>Berserker: Punished Hitler, maybe with the Lance of Longinus as well.
>Assassin: Gas attack
>Avenger: Did nothing wrong Hitler

A naval landing against a fortified, but undermanned position is not the same as literally running at a german trench with a mosin nagat, a bottle of vodka, and a knife

The book deals in diverse topics and is overall an economic history. There is no overall thrust, except for the badly put together section at the end where the author makes his emnity for Albert Speer known (not that I disagree with him, just that he his apoplectic rage makes him incomprehensible when arguing his case, and he even occasionally puts up evidence that goes against his case, but then claims that it's actually is the opposite).

Soviets were incompetent in the first 2 years of the war, but not THAT incompetent. They were clearly positioning themselves for an invasion - and this point is largely undisputed among western historians. The point of the debate is not IF they wanted to attack, but WHEN. 1942 is the most commonly agreed year, but Suvorov goes as far as to claim that the invasion was likely to proceed in the summer 1941. He certainly presented some good arguments, and, even though Red Army was not ready for such an invasion in summer 1941, neither was Wehrmacht - which is painfully often overlooked.

It wasn't the lack man power but the lack of resources that did in the Germans. Allies at best could bombard them but in the end they relied on killing their own men till German ammo ran out.

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>It wasn't the lack man power but the lack of resources that did in the Germans
This is 100% true, except for the world war 1.

Im not arguing the germans were fully prepared.
They certainly were not, at least not properly. Still, its amazing how far they got even with their less than prepared forces against the Russians. By all strategic logic, the germans should have taken Moscow, which was the main goal, andwhile that may not have ended the war it would be a massive blow. Enough to make the russians question their brutal leader perhaps, certainly give the germans time to recontact the white russian remnants and set up a counter government to discredit Stalin.
But the sheer number and recklessness of russian leadership goes against logic and strategy. Piles, upon of piles of bodies is what held back the germans. Not tactics, Not even really the winter. Bodies.

they could produce enough ammo for a big war, but not a world war. This is fair point

>What makes a professor at a university an authority on anything?
The years of meticulous research on a given topic?
Their qualifications?

Generally, an university professor is also more trustworthy and unbiased than an anonymous poster that dislikes Jews.

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While I agree with the conclusions of the argument, the idea that first world nations are not self-sufficient in food is simply not true. Europe and America are swimming in foodstuffs. America is a net exporter of food, and is only not considered a dumper because who would embargo USA lol. Europe once fell for the "no food sufficiency meme" and accidently created vast mountains of butter and lakes of wine once the CAP went into effect. Manwhile, it is true Europe doesn't do primary industries, but that's because they've exhausted all economic sources of ore and fossil etc fuels back in the industrial revolution. They're not ever going to get those back.

Did you not fucking read my post?
Did you forget your post to which it was a response to?

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None of that makes what it says false. Whether Europe fucked itself is a different matter.

From what I know of the guy, he has great charm, a strong sense of patriotism, love of purity and is really fucking stubborn.

He was a messenger in his soldier days, and commanded the army as well as his own SS, so clearly RIDER is his class.

His noble phantasm should involve dealing horrific, un-blockable damage to the enemy.

The sources of metals and the like are in no way depleted. Many close surface sources perhaps, but nowdays we have proper means of locating and following veins deeper and safer than ever.
even if that was not a desired path to take. Then certainly they could begin industrial scale recycling no? Taking in metallic trash for refinement and re-smelting. You could make a foundry off the metal what London throws away alone.
Or better. Begin researching sustaining alternatives. There is a group in California that made freaking surfboards out of mushrooms. Sturdy, flexible, and bio-degradable in time. There are always things to be discovered and it kills me inside that there is no real push too. I guess because its easier to give the chinese and their slave shops money.

>They certainly were not, at least not properly.
Indeed, as proven by the fact that a large amount of their panzer arm was made of pz. I and II.
>Still, its amazing how far they got even with their less than prepared forces against the Russians.
Which only goes to show that Soviets were not in a strategic defensive position at the time of invasion.
>By all strategic logic, the germans should have taken Moscow
By the time they reached Moscow, it was an uphill battle against numerically superior enemy with the shortest supply lines possible. Perhaps if they attacked a month earlier.
>it would be a massive blow
Indeed, Moscow was a vital logistic hub. If they captured it, the Red Army would be done for. It's a big if - the German supply lines were too stretched.
>But the sheer number and recklessness of russian leadership goes against logic and strategy. Piles, upon of piles of bodies is what held back the germans. Not tactics, Not even really the winter. Bodies.
What goes against popular perception of the war is the fact that Russians were facing severe manpower shortages throughout the war. A defensive strategy from Wehrmacht after the third Kharkov would have likely bled them dry. But Hitler wanted his last hurrah at Kursk.

Hey, if Semiramis' NP is a result of people misattributing it to her, then I don't see a problem?

>His noble phantasm should involve losing to the USSR so badly that half of his country went commie for almost 50 years
FTFY.

I answered the question...
The rest of your post was some gay-ass spiel(UNIVERSITIES INDOCRINATING UR KIDZ!!!111oneone) you saw million times before..

Sorry if you didn't understand, I'm an ESL so I'm not used to writing in English.

was that really hitler or the eastern commanders? I know they kinda did their own thing for most of the invasion.

What do you mean? Kursk?

the holocaust didn't happen

Yes. I know hitler wanted the moscow push due to it being a super valuable target and knowing his army could not remain there for years. But there were alot of smaller decisions that served to hold them back further. Like going as far east as they did

Did you read the entire last post of that image? It's advocacy based on a incorrect worldview.

Point 1 is completely based on a false premise.
Point 2 is not possible for Europe and America already does Point 2 to a reasonable degree.
Point 3 is flat out unworkable because either
A. you're America and you've already done it, or
B. you're not America and you're either
a. one of said vassals
b. already embargoed
c. waiting in line to get embargoed

Given how power is proportional to notoriety, Hitler would probably be second only to Jesus, with all his stats boosted to godly levels.

>The rest of your post was some gay-ass spiel(UNIVERSITIES INDOCRINATING UR KIDZ!!!111oneone) you saw million times before..
Is it false?
>I answered the question...
You make your own fucking conclusions. I'm not here to make decisions for you. I'm just telling you what I think. I think that you don't know the motive of an anonymous person, but you sure as hell do a university professor's.

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Hitler is literally Saver class.

What about Simo Häyhä?

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Already done before

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Archer, easy.

>Like going as far east as they did
Yes, this was the blunder that resulted in Stalingrad. Hitler wanted to capture Russian oil fields in Baku, but this was a false premise. To put it simply, there was no way Germans could ever utilize that oil.

To even reach Baku, it was of utmost importance to secure the northern flank by capturing Stalingrad. This resulted in splitting German forces in two. Big mistake. The correct course of action would have been to focus on capturing Stalingrad, thus denying Soviets the oil from Baku. This led to the well known Stalingrad catastrophe (in a way, it was a German victory, because after the encirclement, the goal was to tie down as many Soviet armies as possible in order to give time for the southern arm to retreat, sacrificing the 6th army in the process - in the end, the Soviet losses at Stalingrad far outnumbered the German casualties).

After Stalingrad we have the third Kharkov, where Mainstein's backhanded blow saved Wehrmacht and temporarily crippled the advancing Red Army, which led to the formation of the Kursk salient.

Unfortunately, Kursk quickly turned from an opportunity into a trap. Manstein wanted to attack immediately after third Kharkov, while the Germans had the momentum, but Hitler stubbornly decided to wait months for the new panzers. Soviets in the meantime dug in and that was it.

After Kursk, the Germans forces were positioned so badly that the Soviets practically steamrolled them back behind the Dnieper, while managing to secure several large beachheads from which they could launch further offensive.

easy, if you are black, or a muslim

Due to his experience in TGW he was opposed to using it in combat. Good enough for Jews though.

Jews didn't get gassed they were starved and shot

You have no idea what you are talking about. First of all
>economic sources
Note the key word economic here. Nobody is going to mine stuff that you can get for cheaper elsewhere. If you do who is going to buy it? Let's say you put policies in place. Congratulations, you've just made prices rise for everyone, and used up valuable manpower that could had been better spent on something more productive and wealth-producing than mining extremely expensive coal.
>recycling
We already recycle every valuable piece of metal that is economic. Metal doesn't go into a landfill, top fucking kek, you ignoramus. There are entire industries based around resmelting all the scrap metal that gets thrown away.
>Research
Sorry dude, that's a quaternary industry, which apparently doesn't exist according to our self sufficiency user. Maybe he folded it into the tertiary industry, like some people do? Oh wait, "it does not actually produce any wealth". I'm dying. Of laughter. Glibness aside, Europe and America are already the world's leaders in research, and Europe especially are leaders in political pushing for sustainability, what more do you want?

Cool off-topic thread

Shut it, Shlomo. Don't you know Yea Forums stands for Yea Forumsryan?

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Point 1 stands. Its not specifically talking about america / europe but all nations. How many african nations fully depend on outside food sources?
Saying point 2 is impossible is simply foolish. as mentioned deeper metals are around and even without it should be a objective to find alternatives. Like replacing metal screws with super hard plastic or something. Its not claiming a return to old industry but saying any industry is good.
Point 3, I agree is difficult. But as a nation that should be your goal. America if anything actually helps develop its 'vassals' when they take their own initive. Like japan, rebuild post war and had a boom economy. Compared to puerto rico which has done jack shit and therefor is only sent token aid every year or so when a bad hurricane hits them. And dont say that as a small island they were powerless. They could have used tourism to form the foundation of a tertiary sector. Fishing / orchards with livestock for Food Primary. And if cheap island land / workers is on offer nearly any business would want to operate there. Could have been a shipyard for commercial fishers and cruise ships. Anything really.
Your treating this as some sort of modern guide when its simply explaining basic national self-reliance.

that is damn fine PR

Stalin as a character would work best as a legal loli or shortstack.

I was just trying to say that the theory of self-sufficiency can persist even more so with modern industry. And as such it should be the path chosen for the well-being of the common citizen and even power security of that nations leaders.
Maybe i have been up to late or my English is bad. I dont know.

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The only shortstack since only he got the food. The entire russian hierarchy could be judged based on how stacked one was. The curvier the more food they were allotted.

Avenger
His np makes is a reality marble that takes you to a death camp with a bonus Jewish and and other non whites

Seeing as Stalin and the rest of the Soviet leadership grew up under tsarism it's no wonder they had trouble getting enough food to grow when they were kids.

Don't forget slavs. He would be effective against slavs as well.

Eh, by the end the tsars were actually making good reforms.
Kind of a favorite 'alternate history scenario' of mine if if the tsars stayed in power.

cope manlet

Which slavs the partisans or the ones that joined him?

SS+

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The 'I am you'-scene was kino tho

Mhx

Does it matter? Through all of human history everything slavs have done is is get drunk and die horribly

That's a good point, and I agree, but the poster is clearly arguing from the perspective of rich nations that have in his view abandoned the food, primary sector, and manufactoring, and need to instead abandon the tetiary sector and go dig stuff up from the ground.
Also saying things like "what if we do some pipedream of stupid tech" is not a good policy decision.

Whatever side the 20 million slavs he killed for lebensraum were on.

eh. The polish have a rough, but good history. The old Dacians (slovacs, serbs, romanians (real romanians, not gyppos) and bulgars) are pretty good.
Of all the faults of the byzantine empire, one of the greatest was not properly managing its european holdings. It did not make those various people united with a single culture.

>From the future
Once and future King?

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You mean the ones that were trying to invade europe after the baltics, finland and romania aggressions?

This. I mean the fact that the USSR was the pinnacle of slavic achievement says a lot.

>implying academic historians aren't the most level headed and unbiased people out there

you fuckers better compile this and screenshot for oc

Oh, okay then, but you shouldn't try to back it up with a shitty image full of fallacies.

>>bias incarnate because they are always surrounded by the same theory and only borrows from other's theory
>doesn't know about the intense shitflinging between the different schools of historiography, often within departments
Put a Marxist historian (note: does not mean communist, means history where economy is the prime driver of history) and an Annales historian in the same room and watch them tear each other apart.

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Nazis invaded first remember? Also Hitler wanted Eastern Europe for settlement purposes so the more dead slavs there the better (especially early on.)

Yeah I remember when he genocided Slovakia, Ukraine and those 300k+ Russians from the Russian Liberation Army.

Aushwitz makes the most sense as an NP. It could be a reality warping move that cages himself and anyone nearby in the pocket dimension or something.

So why didn't Churchill accept all those Hitler's peace offers? Who even voted for Churchill anyway?

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>just sitting to the side and letting continental upstarts supplant your role as the prime power of Europe

Probably something similar to what Red wished for in Roadside Picnic. Hitler's hatred for Jews was learned from observation and relation, he was pushed into being who he was and his original ideals show that he wanted a world where everyone could be happy.

Was it worth it, though? Look at the UK now.

only know one dude, who wanted to make peace with england
and he tried that by himself
(on the other side, I saw it on the german TV, so...)
>Who even voted for Churchill anyway?
the citizens of GB

You guys realize Nasu based Shirou on Hitler, right?

Nope. No one voted for him. He was installed by the house.

While it is presented from that view, i agree, it still applies outside of it.
I do not see where is encourages the abandonment of the tertiary sector as you say though. Says you need all 3 not just 2. If you produced and made goods yet had little services to distribute or use them what would you even be?
I will admit that i may have been unclear or as you say rely on a 'pipeline of stupid tech'. But i do truly believe with effort good sustainable alternatives can be found.
Thats not to say you would base your economy around the 'idea' of them, or at least not until such useful items are discovered and produced efficiently.
But it is an idea on how self-sufficiency can be achiever over time. Again, i feel as your treating this with the mindset of say, a modern german (turkish joke here). Your seeing the difficulty of the tasks laid out and are somewhat overwhelmed by how its possible to be done. Even if a nation cannot for any reason fufill complete self reliance, it should still do so in every way it can. Lets say you literally have 0 good metal and renewable replacement research is far off. Okay, you can still make your own food and power. Use foreign trade to get the resources you need at a hopefully fair price and use it for your needs. You can then offer services or what goods you do have to the markets. May have 0 metal. But darn if your land dosent have some great hardwood trees for construction and furniture. Use that. Make sustainable logging (replanting, rotation, ect.) and voila you now have some pull of your own. You do what you can and acquire what you cannot while trying to find ways to substitute what you lack or new ways to use what you do.
Never in that image dose it bash international trade. Only international dependency.

Reminder that Hitler had the (supposed) lance of Longinus acquired, and kept it throughout the war essentially as a good luck charm.
It is said that he who holds the lance controls the world, and basically wins at everything. But if you let go of it, you will die very very soon.
It was stored at Nuremberg, St. Katherine's church where it had once rested for 400 years. Upon the church being bombed, the Germans retrieved a lot of the artifacts they had stored there, but the lance was inadvertently left behind.
Later, U.S soldiers under command of Patton came and procured the lance. Hitler died hours later. After Patton studied the lance and the museum contents, he made ready to leave Europe and died in a car crash.

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Churchill was installed not really elected.
Wonder (((who))) is responsible for that incompetent warmonger

>declare war on Germany for invading Poland
>but not the Soviets
>invades under the pretense of liberating Europe from an oppressive regime
>proceeds to leave half of Europe under control of an even worse oppressive regime for half a century
Final solution to the anglo problem when?

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Reminder he was the first man to put people in a concentration camp.

>eastern europe
>mattering

Because anglos thirst for blood and ww2 was a blood sacrifice to satan

Patton was assassinated for being against FDR and the globalist bullshit.

>join in the destruction of most of europe for a second time because muh poles
>proceed to ignore the fact that poland is now completely occupied by the soviets
>lol who cares about the poles
the absolute state of angloids

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Since when are East Germany and Czechoslovakia in the Eastern Europe?

>He was viewed fondly because he was viewed as a front against communist because news about it was already circulating.
Anti-Communism wasnt a big focus for your average NSDAP voter. They were embarrassed and poor and literally just wanted someone to take charge. Anti-Communism was a larger focus for business owner and such but didnt make up a large part of Hitlers support for obvious reasons
>Plus he was admired greatly for the "economic miracle" he pulled off in the transition from weimar to his germany.
This isnt a lie
>Plus the holocauster story was only a thing in his direct opposition countries.
It was a big deal all over Europe and the Americas. There were even protests in Germany itself
> The French did really want the British to get involved in France and were upset because they would bring conflict since France was peaceful during German occupation.
They specifically asked for help from Britain. The French had constant insurrections, protests, and terror attacks. I honestly dont understand how read about French occupation and suggest they didnt mind and were peaceful.
> Even soviet farmers were in favor of Hitler because even though they though the pre-soviet conditions were shit now they were even fucking worse.
Do you have any source for this? Even disregarding if things were worse, I cant imagine Stalin's propaganda machine letting this slide. Also "Soviet farmers" includes hundreds of different ethnic groups with differing interests
>Thats plain bullshit. His initial support was low because he was viewed as a radical but after he established as the dominant power in Germany the general populace were very much in his favor (because he fucking fixed their economy so they didnt live like shit).
He became popular specifically because he was a radical.
The most support the NSDAP ever received was in 1933 with 43.7% of the vote and then lost support during the war because after the economic miracal he threw them back into a world war.

and then gasses them

Wow come back to Yea Forums and see nothing but Jewish shills
Let me redpill you
>Hitler never existed
>Europe isnt real
>white people do not exist
>its all a lie from the wifi signals
> the Earth is flat and orbits inside the sun
>anime has specific frequencies that subconsciously turn you into a transsexual nazi
>orange juice is the only real liquid of the juices
>oranges don't exist
>its already too late, you didnt listen
All these lies are perpetuated specifically so Jews can act like victims and control the world.
Look into it
Try to refute me without biased sources

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At last I truly see.

I give you legal permission to choke me out right now, fucking do it

>germans betray every single agreement beforehand
>we should trust them this time!

>anime has specific frequencies that subconsciously turn you into a transsexual nazi
This is completely true. Most anime is made with the intent of subverting Japanese into breeding and western pigs into becoming infertile.
In ten years the number will have reversed and Abe will be laughing at all the wh*te pigs that talked shit about the land of the rising sun

Absolutely BASED Bravo poster
Only truly redpilled and non-retarded person ITT

I can see it.

What about the plan that intended to exterminate those very same soviet farmers and replace them with german ones huh you little shit

Let's be honest, Mussolini was better.

Adolf-kun can get the following classes:
>Archer (his WW1 outfit, young version). Rather weak. 3 stars.
>Caster: His occultism obsession version. 4 stars.
>Berserker: (Ending of WW2 version, notably have Mad Enhancement EX) 4 stars.
>Avenger: Grand Avenger, period. So powerful, he cannot be summoned by normal means. It's the version where he just got to power in 1933. Obviously 5 stars Limited.

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You cannot legally call yourself redpilled, no matter your beliefs, unless you are a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu

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The pathetic bitch Mussolini couldn't even unite his nation of cowards.