Why are Isekai like this? Are the Japanese even human? They seem incapable of comprehending the gravity of this concept

in Return of the former hero, MC heads to the slave market because he thinks he could pick up a cute companion or something like in the stories he read on earth, he nopes the fuck out without buying anything because it turns out the slaves are treated like actual slaves in that world and cute girls that can actually feel love aren't a thing they sell.

If you think the generic slave waifus are anything like Sill you don't know shit about Rance.

Isekai specifically fuckwad.

If you're going to bring up older shit that did something way before the trend got popular then bring up Haydee from Count of Monte Cristo. Just because something did it before doesn't mean that it was what made it popular.

Degenerate otaku with a skewed view on romance, human companionship and love aren't the best examples of good people in the world.

Did you ever talk with a Japanese? The vacuity of most of them is astonishing. They are almost unable to have a proper reasonning, building a proper argumentation, making an analysis and a synthesis of any moral/political/whatever concept. For most of them, the highest level of reflexion they can reach is pretty much "homeless people are stupid and should stop complaining about being homeless: if they bought/rent a home, then they'd stop being homeless". Everything in their eduation and school system is made to produce drones that are unable of reflexion, or contesting or even discussing about the system they live in. So forget about them being able to have any kind of view of slavery (or any political/economical/militaristic system they could encounter) that goes further than "ma ikka", or "shikataganai"

Japs don't have an entire month every year dedicated to guilt tripping them about their cultural past. If they ever try to take power again then Unit 731 is gonna look like a group of pacifists by comparison.

user. The shirt your wearing right now was probably made by some poor chink making 5 cents per hour. There is bad shit happening all over the world, shit that you actively indulge in. Why do you care about trashy nip literature that is literally designed to be wish fulfillment? Why do you care about the slaves when they are usually just sex slaves, aka lewd girls that eventually fall in love with MC cock? Even isekai that have slaves usually have the MC being nice to them, which is why they fall for them, so why does literally any of this matter?

Why do you give a fuck about ink on paper when ACTUAL FUCKED UP SHIT is happening across the globe as we sit here and type? Youre acting like one of those sjw whales that cry about lewding the imaginary children but do nothing to stop actual child trafficking. The fact is, you don’t fucking actually care. But you want to virtue signal and make yourself feel good by pretending to care. But you don’t actually. If you did, you’d be out there championing for actual living people, and not wasting your time bitching about gook comics on a Taiwanese knitting forum.

Now, shut the fuck up and either fap like the rest of us or drop the damn series for another one, preferably one that doesn’t hurt your fragile sensibilities so much

it starts the base level. i heard that you get a worse score for getting a question wrong than giving no answer. which is the opposite of american education where trying and failing is considered better then not trying at all.

which means kids are told from the start that you ether are 100% right or you say nothing, meaning they assume that anyone that says something must be right, otherwise they wouldn't have said anything.

>owning slaves
>a bad thing
Who started this trend? There is nothing wrong with slavery.

>you can't criticize this fiction because there are bad things in this world
Holy shit you are one stupid motherfucker

>whataboutisim
Yikes

>bad shit happens all around the world so you can't criticize bad writing and cliches
Fuck off.

>which is the opposite of american education where trying and failing is considered better then not trying at all.
If you take an AP exam in America, putting the wrong answer deducts points.

Then why aren't you a slave?

Japanese sound even worse than middle class Americans.

Why do you think the yen has less value than the Dollar?

And here it is, the lowest of the low. Even lower than the souless Jap, here is their netizen lapdog, rolling their eyes at anyone pointing out that literature from that godless rock in the East is just turning into mountains of shit.

>Middle class Americans

Those don't even exist anymore.

That's what every middle class American says because they don't know what being poor is actually like.

>there is slavery occurring in africa right now
>the slavery occurring in this fictional story is more important

yeah but that's at the top level where being right is important, base level shit like 1st graders are told to try and fail and then try again.

Thats how it works on real tests in America too. It's under no child left behind baseline garbage that you can take a take a shit on your test paper and get at least 10 points for it.

For most of jap history like 99% of people were fucking slaves. Eta and peasants were fucking cattle that died by the hundreds if someone was having a bad day. People were property, like chairs and tables, nothing more than furniture to support the higher classes(samurai, daimyo, etc,) shit nigga.

And there's nothing wrong with owning property user. Besides, the story literally takes place in an alternate dimension or some shit where that is the norm, what aren't YOU getting you baiting trolling nignog motherfucker.

>Are the Japanese even human?
No.

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Because I own the slave.

No on said that except for you though

But if all asians have no soul, is it really a massacre?

Please. Anime is 99.9% bad writing and stereotypical tripe. Don’t kid yourselves into believing otherwise. Why are you ok with anime sexualizing minors every other second? Why is extreme violence for mundane situations ok? Muh sensabilities.

>base level shit like 1st graders are told to try and fail and then try again.
They are told to get it right the first time or be held back a grade.

>Whataboutism

You're still a fucking moron. Everyone already knows slavery is happening in real life right now. Why bring that up when it has nothing to do with the criticism?

You need to see photos of bums in San Fran.
That's an increasing trend.
There's a legit inequality issue in the USA and no legislation can solve it (it is an apathy issue).

You decided to take up arms over this fiction rather than take up arms over the actual slaves still in africa. Clearly one holds higher priority to you.

>it is an apathy issue
You've got a brain issue

Because it’s fucking hypocritical and you’re virtue signaling, retard. You don’t actually fucking care.

Isekai anime mostly appeals to socially retarded 13-25 year old manchildren that have no concept of the real world, pretty obvious why isekai characters are retarded down to barely functioning humans that only function in the context of the generic magic fantasy world #186290486

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Because children are sexy and deserve to be sexualized to be quite honest with you.

>Why is extreme violence for mundane situations ok?
That's just slapstick

>Whataboutism
>aka don't expose my hypocrisy
get dunked on faggot

Especially Giga Slavery.

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You decided to take up arms over this thread rather than take up arms over the actual slaves still in africa. Clearly one holds higher priority to you.

>>AP exam
>yeah but that's at the top level where being right is important
jesus christ

Who said I'm not taking up arms over the actual slaves in africa too? Unlike you I actually get that this isnt the place for it though, being the anime/manga board.

People aren't fixing their own problems anymore. Sounds like an apathy issue to me.

It's not hypocritical though. Slavery in real life has nothing to do with criticizing slavery in anime. In fact you defending the fact that isekai manga is glorifying owning slaves is hypocrisy since the position of "slavery is bad" still holds true. While you're just pointing out that slavery exists in real life you are also doing nothing AND defending its positive portrayal

So bad writing is completely immune to criticism and we should accept all forms of mediocrity in our media because fuck EVERYTHING ELSE IS BAD SO WHO CARES.

This is human rot mentality.

>WHY AREN'T YOU FIXING AFRICA
Because Africa is fucked and it can't be fixed. I'm not criticizing slavery fuckwit I'm criticizing how it's used and portrayed in isekai fiction and how trashy it is since it's only purpose to introduce shallow slave waifus for otaku to fawn over.

But go ahead keep bringing up "WAAAH MY STARVING NIGLETS" and defending shitty writing and terrible flat characters.

I just said I support slavery. My priorities are in order.

If I had the chance to put a bullet in your head, I would.

>Unlike you I actually get that this isnt the place for it though, being the anime/manga board.
Then why is this thread here?

And if I had the chance to put you in shackles I would.

Probably because he wanted to talk about slavery in anime/manga specifically, then a bunch of retards come in and start talking about how he shouldn't talk about it because muh IRL, instead of just moving on with their lives or sticking to the topic

Everything in their education system is about grinding memorization and regurgitation. In my country, an exam about US history would be something like "explain the reasons behind the US independance war and its immediate and long-term consequences and legacy for the country and the world". In Japan, it would just be about droping a bunch of dates and names.
They're the kind of people who will be able to learn the whole fucking dictionnary and English grammar rules by heart, but will be unable to build a proper sentence out of it.

Shouldn't you be in bed? It's a week night. I don't think your parents would like hearing about you falling asleep in class because you decided to be edgy about owning slaves on a anime board

>In fact you defending the fact that isekai manga is glorifying owning slaves is hypocrisy since the position of "slavery is bad" still holds true.
It's fictional. I would have no problem with a writer creating a world where slavery is the best thing out there and everyone wants one.

You have to be immature to support the concept of slavery, because it is entirely built on the delusional foundation of "it would never happen to me, I would be in power".

Because it's about isekai shitstain so why the fuck are you bringing up real life like it matters.

>slavery=bad writing
So a story can only be good with an emancipation plot?

That's the only proper response.

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Except that he was a stupid enough cunt to use real life as his comparison instead of other manga/anime.

> I would have no problem with a writer creating a world where slavery is the best thing out there and everyone wants one.

It's not possible to do anything well written with that because of the concept of free will. The entire reason revolutions and slave revolts happen is because people have the free will to do what they want. There's no such thing as "if I was a slave owner I would be the best slave owner" because you couldn't possibly satiate the need for free will.

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>using money to purchase people sounds a bit weird
Isn't that how it works with corporate jobs?

I mean, I'm alive right now and I'm not a slave or in any position to become one, sooooooooooooooooooooo...

>in anime/manga specifically
>Because it's about isekai
The OP starts with:
>Are the Japanese even human? They seem incapable of comprehending the gravity of this concept.
It has exited the realm of manga and is discussing the Japanese people as a race and how they are not human. The OP brought it on himself.

Nah. It's infact the complete opposite. People like it exactly because they DO know the real world.

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I can relate to isekai protags because if I had a slave I would treat them well unlike those mean slave owners

what is this from

Not really, but their should be some drama in the concept. There has to be some conflict in the relationship between the slave and the MC or it doesn't really serve the story at all. The most obvious place to go to is an emancipation narrative, but other narrative are possible, maybe the MC and the Slave have some kind of interpersonal issue, maybe the MC has to struggle with the concept of ordering and disciplining the slave, etc.
If there's no drama then whats the point?

Not that guy, but OP was quite obviously criticizing the inability of Japanese isekai writers to give the appropriate gravitas to a subject that fundamentally changes the how the characters and setting is portrayed to the reader.

an isekai entirely dedicated to the MC getting fuckslaves

But if he treats her well? I bet no one ever treated the slave well all her life, she'll instantly fall in love with the MC after seeing how much of a nice guy he is and will be willingly be their slave!

>the concept of free will.
Now place it in a hyper religious setting with the concept of predestination that everyone folds to. The story is getting interesting now right?

I cant relate to isekai protags because if I had a slave I would not treat them well, which is honestly why I hate almost all isekai

>maybe the MC and the Slave have some kind of interpersonal issue, maybe the MC has to struggle with the concept of ordering and disciplining the slave, etc.
And that's every single isekai plot where the slave slowly falls in love with the MC as they work their issues out. You played yourself.

patting the head of a slave beastfolk and saying your not racist against her race is a 100% guaranteed way to make her instacrave for your dick

>maybe the MC and the Slave have some kind of interpersonal issue, maybe the MC has to struggle with the concept of ordering and disciplining the slave, etc.
Literally shield hero you dumbass

Why wouldn't you treat them well?

And that's why most of them are shit user

The problem with that kind of story is that it not only has been done to death, it also then negates the slave part. If the slave falls in love with the MC and the MC treats the slave the same as any other romantic interest, then fundamentally the slavery aspect is moot and only served as a way to get the MC and their romantic interest together. Which is boring because it's lazy and there are much more interesting way to introduce a potential love interest. That's not to say that a Master/Slave relationships can't be interesting, but you have to put some obstacles in the way, or it's going to be boring.

That's true

is there any plot in which having a slave fucks over the MC? he gets betrayed or she gets stolen etc

It's a different culture and people enjoy this different world view. Not every story has to have a Western lens.

Shin Sekai Yori

Everyone who participated in it is dead so yeah that would pretty close to the time it'd take.

It has nothing to do with west/east. It's a major world changing concept. It's like if it was suddenly mentioned in your isekai that everybody was immortal and the MC was just like "oh, cool" and that was it.

Not all of them, and specifically the thing that OP is talking about is the "Guy buy slave without any thought" and possibly "Slave is either completely fine with this, or falls in love because he treats her nice" Which I explain the problems with here I never said Shield Hero is bad, it actually deals with the concept in a somewhat intelligent manner, but many other manga that copy the concept fail utterly in execution, which is something some one else brought up.

It's more fun and titillating to be mean.

>The gravity of this concept

They aren't human. What are you on about dog

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Have the MC be a brutal slaver and every slave hates his guts, but he gets away with it anyway.

>Everyone who participated in it is dead so yeah that would pretty close to the time it'd take.
That's not true. Values and perspectives are pass down through generations. The mentality of a culture which produced such atrocities doesn't just disappear when the ones who directly participated in it pass away. It's going to take generations upon generations for Japan's cultural perspective to be significantly altered.

Oh my god you dense fuckwit. People aren't complaining about slavery inside of their series but how it's portrayed and used.

Slavery in isekai is bad writing 99% of the time because it creates characters with no agency and only serve to follow the MC while sucking their dick about how great they are because they just do the bare minimum of acting like a basic human being. But apparently not enough of a human being to just refuse to own another person.

I'm not saying that you can't use slavery and it's not something that is automatically bad but the way it's used in portrayed in isekai is laughably awful. Shield Hero is boring as hell but it's literally one of the few that did it right. He's a guy from Japan who got betrayed and has literally no other options while he trusts no one else. Him buying a slave isn't portrayed as a "good" or "correct" thing, but rather of something of necessity and in-character of what he's been through so far (having no one to trust so he literally gets someone who can't betray him at all).

Shit like is obnoxious as hell and brings tons of tonal dissonance where you have your protagonist acting like a completely normal modern person who is just perfectly fine with owning another person once they go to another world. It's also just another incredibly shallow reason to introduce another bland shitty slave waifu.

Fucking Isekai Meikyuu does this better than most isekai because that's totally in-character for the MC to do since he's a bit of a scumbag. They don't try to brush it off as "it's okay to own another person" or portray him as a morally good person for doing it. He's a dude who found a slave girl he wanted to fuck and then saved up the cash to get her. Just by not doing this wishy washy bullshit of dancing around the moral issue of actually owning a person it's immediately better than it's contemporaries despite the actual story being pretty mediocre.

Has there ever been an isekai where a fantasy adventure character was isekai'd into a salaryman?

Do you think they secretly like you or are you glad that they despise you? Would you punish them if they despise you openly?

It's called the United States.

>because you couldn't possibly satiate the need for free will.
What if their free will push them towards a life of subservience and complacency? that hardly the worst life choice you could follow seeing at how many attrocities are committed on a daily basis

many american slaves just tried to go back to their old owners for what they knew was guaranteed; as in not being beaten and having a roof and not starving , instead of just trying a new life on the lowest social standing competing with thousands others just as desperate

Wagie, yes. That one where he works at like an appliance store, and that propoganda piece where the overlord guy gets a mcjob

Hataraku Maou-sama
Though actually the titular demon lord is a fast food employee, while the Hero works at a call center.

What about not being brutal, but surprisingly nice to the slaves until they are sold with delivery set for the next day. The slaves get to hear the new owner be told they aren't virgin and they get confused until that night.

If I was also immortal in that world I would have the same response. You are taking concepts that everyone has heard about and expecting an over the top reaction. You need to be creative if you want the freak out you crave.

I think it would be kinda funny if a fantasy character had to be a salaryman and took everyday salaryman issues as srs fucking bsns.

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>gravity of this concept
Giving a shit for animal slaves
>>>/tumblr/

Slavery isn't intrinsically bad
Only when it is racial, hereditary or without order can it be considered an injustice
If you can kidnap and enslave at random, that's bad. Prisoners of war, criminal, debtors, that's okay

based and redpilled

>many american slaves just tried to go back to their old owners
That's not true. The vast majority of former slaves migrated out of the south, with most of them going into New York, far up the Mississippi, Chicago and the west coast. Fuck your history revisionism, bitch.

What a garbage thread, mods please.
This is what happens when retards make the isekai thread.

>If I was also immortal in that world I would have the same response.
That's because you lack a brain

You guys realize that slavery is just a cheap plot device right? It is not supposed be serious at all. The other options would be that mc saves some girl's life or goes to the local pub or adventurer guild and a girl joins his party.

Sasuga, contr/a/rian

10/10

I doubt they would secretly like me if I'm being mean. Unless they're really broken and have learned helplessness and stockholm syndrome or something. And though I can't say I'd be glad they despise me, I wouldn't care much. And yeah, I'd punish them if they were sometimes, otherwise I'd let it slide. Lying about if they hate me or not leads to lying about other things. Rather have a slave honest in their hatred for me than one that I can't trust because I've trained them to lie to me

Nigger fuck off.

If you're going to start shit by being a moron and saying that you can't complain about shitty writing and then write off somebody giving you a response then why the fuck are you here.

He said many, not most
Not gonna check statistics, but there were plenty of slaves that stayed on as workers on plantations

Think about it. When people freak out about something it's because they never heard of it before. If you have a baseline to go on, there's not much to get excited about.

>Slavery in isekai is bad writing 99% of the time because it creates characters with no agency and only serve to follow the MC while sucking their dick about how great they are because they just do the bare minimum of acting like a basic human being. But apparently not enough of a human being to just refuse to own another person.
That doesn't mean it's bad writing, try again.

Is that really they only one because that's the only one I ever see when the question is asked.
Really untapped market there, I think.

Most of the time it's true, it's part of why the MC's actions rarely make sense when owning a slave.

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Yeah it's also a shit plot device. Meeting an adventurer girl at a bar or saving a girl's life is better because it means that the girl actually has agency and has their own motives to just go out and DO things rather than follow around the MC because he bought her.

Think about this, when has there ever been a slave waifu bought from the slave market that has actually been memorable or good? The vast majority just blend together because they all act the same.

Many did not. It was a minority.

>Think about it
No u. If everyone is immortal, that completely changes the logic of the world and how people live. It's not just an "oh, cool". It's a fundamental change to the story.

>many =/= all
How many could many be? 10? 106? 5000?0.2%? im not bothered over it you double nigger
that said, slavery can be a choice, free will doesn’t magically negates it if you aren't forced or coarced for it

>characters in the main party with no agency
>not bad writing

You people have no fucking standards.

Isekai itself is a cheap plot device for the most part. Thats what makes this entire conversation laughable.

That's fair. But at the same time the incident was owned up to and spread as a horrible incident more so back after it happened than it is today, when it's more just shuffled under the rug. You could almost say the the original statement on weather or not 85 years is enough to regain your soul should be exchanged for weather or not 85 years is enough to lose it again.

That's my chief complaint against it, it's a lazy ass plot device that doesn't create an interesting narrative. Even as an escapist fantasy I can't really get behind it, because the lackadaisical of insertion takes me right out of the fantasy, at least if the MC was a douche bag Sado type, I could get into that.

>thinking I own pokemon reaction images
You just got jabaited.
More importantly, your whole argument frames slavery as a bad thing. Why does the story have to frame it as bad for it to be good writing?

Not wanting to end up in jail is stopping a lot of people from doing anything that may end with them there. Not just the japs, that's the effect a government and its laws has on a populace.

Americans are literally retarded. Your schools spend years making you unconditionally think "slaves = bad" and then you somehow decide that you came with the idea all along after long and careful analysis.

True the concept of a fantastical character trying to interact with the 'real' world is a fun idea, hell it's kind of the idea behind stuff like FLCL and all the "alien girlfriend" shows that came out in the 90's, but there's a lot of unexplored ground there. Shame that modern anime/manga seems to be stuck purely in escapism mode for a decade. Which is why I think stuff like Goblin Slayer is refreshing despite being so mediocre, since it's just straight fantasy.

isekai itself is a cheap plot device. wouldn't you feel more fulfilled if the MC had to put in effort to get to another world?

>stuck purely in escapism mode for a decade
You are so fucking new

>mc is different so bad writing
Nope, the same type of wishfulfillment is seen in almost all works of fiction yet only LNs get the hate for being bad written.
It's bias I guess, why are you afraid of LNs being well written?

Shut up, you dumb fucker. We literally had to save your entire continent from genociding itself. Your people are failures and you would literally be living in darkness and using horse drawn carriages if it wasn't for America. We're the greatest damn country that ever exist and don't you forget it, scum.

Because trying to frame it as a good thing is jarring, stupid and reflects the author's mentality of other human beings.

Do you like it when some shoujo romance or whatever tries to portray some abusive rapey undertone love interest as a healthy relationship? Does this mean that Twlight's portrayal of Edward and Bella, where one side is a vampire stalker, is perfectly fine and should be taken as it's portrayed as pure love? It's the same bullshit over here. You retards defend this shit because you get a cute girl out of it like how teenage girls defend Twilight because they get a hot vampire.

I'm pretty sure everyone outside of African and Middle Eastern warlords are taught that slavery is bad. Why are you trying to pin this on Americans, user?

Are you seriously about to try to aruge that slavery isn't a bad practice?

What a baby.

The
>"alien girlfriend" shows that came out in the 90's
didn't tip you off first?

>that completely changes the logic of the world and how people live.
If any of those changes are unexpected, then you have a point. Immortality by itself is not.

>They're the kind of people who will be able to learn the whole fucking dictionnary and English grammar rules by heart, but will be unable to build a proper sentence out of it
This. what a horrible existence.

I'm going to argue exactly what I said in original post: you lack the ability for analytical reasoning and cope with that by believing in delusions you make up.

Says the third world country in disguise.

>actual retard doesn't understand what agency is

> yet only LNs get the hate for being bad written.
>Yea Forums - Anime and Manga

OH GEE I WONDER WHY.

True I guess even things like Miss Kobayashi's Maid Dragon is really pretty much reverse isekai. Yeah when you look at it like that, it's actually fairly common. The difference is, it's usually framed from the point of view of someone from the real world being the MC.

Actualluy that makes me think, are there any isekai where the MC is someone who lives in the fantasy world, and has a person from the real world come to them?

Yeah, isekai is a cheap plot device that rarely gets used to it's actual potential that's why most of it sucks and should have been just straight fantasy instead.

This is something that gets repeated ad nauseum and you're not smart for pointing this out.

Inuyasha

>like a completely normal modern person who is just perfectly fine with owning another person once they go to another world.
people is perfectly fine with owning another people without going to another world

Isekai is like a vacation to heaven. Different rules. Claiming that Japanese have no soul due to this slavery trope is unfair. You would have a point if they used Slavery trope in normal anime genres.

>Because trying to frame it as a good thing is jarring, stupid and reflects the author's mentality of other human beings.
You sound like you have a very narrow world view. Have you tried writing down a list of the positives of slavery?

yuros btfo yet again

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If the basis of the entire story is a cheap plot device, then you should be prepared for multiple cheap plot devices.

>moving goal posts
Why can't you admit LNs are well written? are you that scared to admit it?

>there are actual boomers on Yea Forums

If anything this thread shows that Yea Forums is just as bad.

I'm pretty sure Kagome is really the main main protagonist, since she's the narrator and all, but close enough I guess.

yes? not everyone has the same moral standars as you user
>twilight explodes with fangirl/boys that want to get with a hot stalker
>no they are wrong I know what's better for them
lmao

I am only held back by the laws of this land.

Because they aren't well written you fucktard. They could be and I've read a bunch that were but an entire medium can't be judged as "good" just because it was published.

>another moralfag can't cope that his morals are subjective if not based on the bible

unironically some are, and on the places that don't the ones that don't own one is probably because they don't have money to afford it

Japan apparently loved the Gor novel series decades back, which had plenty of beautiful sex slaves for the hero to take and make his own.

Honestly it's more your problem for seeing slavery only as some icky real-life thing because you're hung up on your country's past atrocities.

So raping little girls is perfectly fine because somebody else finds it morally correct. Gotcha.

Let's just murder everyone who disagrees with us and be done with it because we have different moral standards so it's fine.

>this is your brain on muttland

>this is your brain on mudslime

In the bible Paul instructs masters to treat their slaves justly and fairly.

A Harem in the Fantasy World Dungeon by Shachi Sogano

Are you concerned with the topic of Slavery?
This is easily answered, you just gotta put a bit of brain cells to work OP... Slavery is seen to be a sign of underdevelopment in countries, Moreover; slavery can tell stories of war, discrimination against the races, and history.

More focused on the 2nd thing I said tho. It's lazy, but making a story to tell about an ISEKAI, another world, is easier when you bring up slavery. You easily accept this fact, even after the MC's all like "you can have slaves?!?" and the side characters just go "Yeah, it's like that here, didn't you know". You learn to accept it and many isekais foreshadow on how wrong it is, but continue because that's another story.

this this thread seriously 150 posts of anons arguing with some dipshit who thinks fiction should never portray slavery in an indifferent or positive light?

this is why westerners ruin everything

This

Never read a Gor novel, but aren't the protags for that series giant hulking old school warrior types, like the kind of guys that'd be on the cover of a Man o' War album, and don't they come from the world Gor is set in. That's a far cry different than just picking some rando modern and dropping them into a setting with radically different ethics than their own. Even then the problem is that the writers never do anything with the slavery, not that it's present, you can tell all kinds of interesting stories around slavery without ever touching on the morality of it.

Slow down Muhammad.

Let's see how you fags act like if in the isekai world NTR is encouraged.
The real world rules don't apply here! it's escapism!

>gravity of this concept.
Most of the world isn't brainwashed into having trigger words and concepts based on American history, user. Different peoples have different hangups, yours are not universal.

>you can tell all kinds of interesting stories around slavery without ever touching on the morality of it.
Like breeding with your slaves and selling the offspring off as slaves.

>its another represed pedo get anxious when his moral rules don't align with someone's else

Because he was a criminal before being a christian.

I just wouldn't read it friend, but I wouldn't bitch about how the author isn't human either.

>it's the same but it doesn't count because it's western
kek

>voluntarely reading something with ntr for escapism when you don't like it
there is something called targetted audience user
a novel with that content would be read by ntrfags that are ok with it

Wow I remember that stuff, what a blast from the past. Back when my fetishes were just coming into being. Yeah now that I think about it, the current landscape of sex slave focused nip stories is a bit similar.
Though honestly there is so little focus on the slavery (compared to Gor at least) that it's a bit hard to tell if you're actually right or not. There aren't multipage long descriptions on proper slave etiquette and slave postioning terms in your average isekai.

>and don't they come from the world Gor is set in.
Not all actually. Theres at least a copule volumes from the perspective of a slave, and from the perspective of a guy transported there. Never read READ them, but I read snippets and sections long ago. I personally dont care much for the whole "relatively realistic world structured on slavery" thing.

He got redeemed.

That would involve a lot of time skips and a near immortal MC. What about breeding the slaves, and sell the mothers each time their female children get pregnant?

>entire thread is about lines being crossed in fiction
Is there a line that should never be crossed?

I bet your the kind of faggot that calls GS native isekai.

Mostly humans who were kidnapped and brought there. Gor is based on a counter-earth setting, basically a planet that shares the same orbit as earth but is located directly opposite and on the other side of the sun so we can't ever see it directly. The entire thing is run by aliens who kidnap people to populate the place occasionally.

No gay shit

Not really but if you don't cross the line in an interesting way, what's the point. No one wants to read a story about the protagonist who crosses the line and just shrugs their shoulders, unless the protag is actually suppose to be a villain.

Someone has to find a reason to keep feeding them, because I sure as hell can't

Ah okay, like I said I never read Gor so I was unaware of that aspect of the setting,

ntr

I just dont think Slave Harem members makes sense.

Buying a slave and making it fight for you- using it as a slave- either through magic, or whatever- there's still ties that bind.

You'll never know if that Slave actually does love you, or if she's developed stockholm, or if she was so horribly mistreated that she's developed irrational attachments to you for fear of being mistreated again. There's so many things to think about. Is she acting that she likes you because you treat her well? Does she actually like you and think badly behind your back?Is she just acting? If she's honestly in love, does she love YOU, or does she love what you provide? A fear of losing the new lifestyle?

Even, ALL of this being dismissed, there's the fact you developed this relationship as a OWNER of someone.

It's stupid.You'd never , ever know. It's why I like the fact the Shield Hero doesnt seem to try to romance any of his slaves.Its just inappropiate.

Based

>That would involve a lot of time skips and a near immortal MC.
Do you think when they sell a 15 year scotch they're out of stock for 15 years at a time?
It takes 9 months for a baby to come to term, so just keep fucking and buy enough slaves that a new baby is born every week.

I think the problem is people do want to read it, and you're not happy about it and are trying to play gatekeeper, or maybe idea police. The fuck is even your point? All I see from you is a lot of bellyaching about virtually nothing, waste of words.

Japs need to read some Hegel.

Apparently they do. You're just butthurt over that fact.

But if the protagonist keeps having moral quandaries that too becomes a tired trope to the point that the shrugging of shoulders is a breath of fresh air.

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Who cares they're slaves and you own them, you've already bypassed the need to even think about romance.

>You'll never know if that Slave actually does love you, or if she's developed stockholm
>it can't be love if fags named it something else, too

I like the early bit where he starts off with him stealing someone's shoes and getting the thief class.

it's actually muslim propoganda

>Even, ALL of this being dismissed, there's the fact you developed this relationship as a OWNER of someone.
How dare you say my dog doesn't love me.

Then unknowingly getting someone who stole from him sold into slavery,

why would you care about the why?
>Does she actually like you and think badly behind your back?Is she just acting? If she's honestly in love, does she love YOU, or does she love what you provide? A fear of losing the new lifestyle?
thats just modern marriage

Its a very easy way to make a love interest which is guaranteed to not betray you no matter what without investing into actual plot story to explain such utter fidelity on the interest's behalf
Just like everything else in isekai, its just authors shortcut into power fantasy

you're only his food god faggot, I'm also against pets

Its just lazy writing.

Yep and he didnt said that slavery in itself was bad, just abuse was

>Is she acting that she likes you because you treat her well? Does she actually like you and think badly behind your back?Is she just acting? If she's honestly in love, does she love YOU, or does she love what you provide? A fear of losing the new lifestyle?
Uh wait when did we start talking about real life

Saying that no one wants to read it is hyperbole but since you people apparently have and IQ in the single digits, I'll clarify, I don't want to read it, and I am explaining the reason as to why. If you don't actually care about what I have to say, feel free to go find a more constructive use of your time.

True which is why stories about unapologetic villains can be fun, but it's really dumb to just have an other wise normal, moral, protagonist just accept a different ethical system and have there be zero dramatic elements involved, there's no emotional weight there, so it's just boring, outside of maybe providing some fap material.

The point is it CAN be love, but it isnt right. By being a master you've exercised a clearly tremendous amount of power upon a person's life and circumstances.It's almost like being a Cult leader to someone. You might have either A: Broken somebody, or B: Created a Personality Cult around yourself where you're less of a person, but more of an ideal, a faith.

This might not make sense to you , but power dynamics are incredibly harmful in relationships. It's why teachers are discouraged from dating students, even if there's no clear age difference.

>but it isnt right.
WHO
FUCKING
CARES

>You'll never know if that Slave actually does love you, or if she's developed stockholm, or if she was so horribly mistreated that she's developed irrational attachments to you for fear of being mistreated again. There's so many things to think about. Is she acting that she likes you because you treat her well? Does she actually like you and think badly behind your back?Is she just acting? If she's honestly in love, does she love YOU, or does she love what you provide? A fear of losing the new lifestyle?
This sounds like a regular love story.

>I'm also against pets
This faggotry can not go unpunished.

it's just lazy writing and power fantasy
it's the only way retards that read this tripe can feasibly envision themselves having a "relationship" with any kind of female

only american makes a big deal out of slavery

This is such a retarded criticism. If you're not writing 20 pages about the MC's moral navelgazing then you spend those pages writing something else. You just think the things you care about deserve to be focused on because you're an entitled faggot.

>this again
burgerfags are so retarded I can't even, the fact that people from different parts of the world have different cultural views is somehow mind boggling to you

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holy shit I thought this was a bait thread but you migh be in for real
>power dynamics are incredibly harmful in relationships
literally every kind of relationship is based in a power dinamic, parents, sons, partners, countries you name it, doesnt matter what mental gimnastic you do you will never be on equal ground with someone permanently

>ywn be isekai'd as Genghis Khan and conquer the fantasy world and then build ships to wage spice wars against the western beastmen

I'll treat my slave fairly and she'll slowly fall in love with me and offer me her chastity, but I'll decline because premarital sex is a sin.

Moralfaggots are retarded everywhere. You just don't notice when your culture's moralfaggots are being retarded because you agree with them.

good

I want to be a slave owner in the 18th century
but I feel like Id have my throat cut in the middle of the night by a nigger regardless of how I treat my slaves

I agree, it's unavoidable, but if you havent noticed, in the last few decades, we've as a society attempted to remove these dynamics.

Bosses are not supposed to date lessers in their companies. Teachers and Instructors shouldnt date students. People are encouraged to date in their age range.

We're in a society where we;ve become very aware of how power dynamics create very strange , one sided relationships where a person becomes a submissive to another instead of a partner.

I'm not for or againts this. I'm saying for the purposes of a relationship with a SLAVE, you're exercising ULTIMATE power over someone. This concept is taken to the extreme. How the fuck can you be comfortable romancing a slave of yours?

Worse part, in most stories I keep reading the MC hasnt even FREED his slaves!

Your first mistake was having a nigger as a slave.

I mean, I never said the nigger was my slave

>Worse part, in most stories I keep reading the MC hasnt even FREED his slaves!
Worst part is when the MC hasn't even fucked his slaves.

everyone tends to forget that America was the first capitalist country and in giving incentive for people to try to do something with their lives, fastforwarded technology at an exponential rate and is literally the reason we are where we are instead of being at the beginning of the industrial age in 2019

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Nice.

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can't help it, the concept of a helpless nigress slave is too hot for me

That's europe retard and don't forget 'americans' are just europeans who migrated there.

The Japanese are the ultimate yes men. Give them a set of rules of what's acceptable and they'll readily go along with them. But more importantly than that it's a drawing you fucking autist. If anything they enslave their own people in the workforce more than anyone else.

>my society is fixated on muh equality so that's the only healthy way for relationships to be
you have a 50% divorce rate you brainwashed tard.

owning a slave is the ultimate power fantasy

How can you not tell how disgustingly ESL the second post you quoted is, you retarded fuck

>be slave owner
>get killed by unrelated nigger
>nigger is now the slave owner
This is one of those main character switches that gets you to drop the story.

Reminder that demons are dark elves and foxgirls are human.

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>we've as a society
Holy fuck you must be a completely insufferable cunt

>europe
>country

>slavery is baaaaaaad
Shut up Cuckmerican, the whole world went to shit because you freed your slaves.

Or in Africa, it's Tuesday.

Countries and america didn't do shit until recently and always needs help to do it.

The UK freed them first. Like every problem in the world the brits started it.

It's rooted in the fundamental concept of personal liberty you tard. You know, that think murrikunts are supposed to love so much. We're not supposed to use our power over others to pressure people into sex against their will because we don't want others with power over us to pressure us into sex against our will in turn.

Shouldn't you post their guild cards instead?

Yeah it is you fucking retard. It's a cheap lazy cop-out.
Same for shit like having to show a character is "stronger" but you're so fucking lazy that you can only portray it through a literal numeric value on a video game HUD
>That doesn't mean it's bad writing, try again xD

>be mindless drone that regurgitates the opinions he was raised with as if they were arguments
>regurgitate that equality is the only healthy relationship dynamic even though that's statistically wrong
>when called out start regurgitating other tangentially related opinions
brainless drone

>implying power difference is the reason why teachers aren't allowed to date students
it's the conflict of interest you fuck

>fundamental concept of personal liberty

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This. If I fuck my teacher's brains out she'll give me a good grade. They don't want me gaming the system like that.

I reiterate, we agree on equality as the dynamic to aim for because none of us want to be forced into something we don't want. It's the same reason we outlaw other things. I agree I don't murder people, in the expectation that others won't murder me. I agree not to rob other people, in the expectations that others won't rob me. I agree not to buy slaves, in the expectation that others won't buy me as a slave. I agree not to force people into sex using my authority over them, in the expectation that others won't force me into sex using their authority over me. And this is enforced by the state using a system of reward and punishment.

Isekai is the last fad for otaku, and as such there is 0 thought or personal opinion put into it, it's all copies of copies. And when they put their personal opinion into it, it's embarassing and childish.

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Migrants are the same as refugees. The U.S. is not a nation of migrants but a nation of pioneers and frontiersmen that do not hold on to their homeland's culture. That is why the culture of the U.S. is simple but just as so endangered by the globalist BS that people across the pound want to use to extort it. You can't be unified if you bring cultural barriers.

Move here, wave the flag and attend weekend BBQ Okay.
Jump Boarder and Expire a Visa while flying some sort of international flag Not Okay.
Every Migrant here wants another Little "3rd World" from what they used to live as, every Real American owns a Liquor Store watching the decline of the true Americans at first hand.
An Example is everyone goes to the typical Tofu Bowl while nobody goes to the Burmanise Qusine, because in truth the smaller demographic is not a demographic of migrants but people who open up their culture without forcing the political sphere of the area because in truth Migrants are the ones who brute force other cultural amenities around here. It is up to the actual born american to respect those cultures based on how open and non-political they are, that is why Europe is no longer Europe at this time because they are letting their culture wash away in "Fairness" and "Equality" while hoping "Unity" does not get the next citizen's head chopped off.

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Do you think if you keep saying "we" you'll trick people into thinking they agree with you?

Anyways you're wildly deflecting away from the original subject (your claims about what's 'harmful' to relationships). Presumably because you're an idiot who's incapable of piecing together a single coherent thought in defense of the truth of his arbitrary beliefs.

"We" meaning "society" you pillock. Like it or not, laws exist derived from the expectations of society really do exist. You keep using buzzwords like "regurgitation" like it in any way invalidates that this is the reality of what we live in.

>half+1
we

Calling arguments the regurgitations of a mindless drone is not an argument. At least address the points

More like lines being crossed by characters in fiction that should realistically at least have a modicum of aversion to it due to the societal conditions THEY were raised in regardless of how it's viewed in the society they are now in. It's just bad character work.

so if the mayority decides that slavery is ok and allows it you would just accept it?

>should realistically at least have a modicum of aversion to it due to the societal conditions if they were me
ftfy

No.

I don't know user, if I had been raised to believe that I might well think that. That's the thing about society.

TL;DR: slightly above average thing is done better than average thing

Christ.

>be incapable of justifying claims
>start repeating unrelated shit to deflect
>r-regurgitation is just a b-b-buzzword

there was no point related to the subject, moron.

Are you seriously arguing that if you isekai'd a random person from a modern, developed country like Japan, that they would just go "oh, well I guess that's how they do things here" in response to seeing human chattel slavery?

But Haydee had the same goal as her slave owner.

That's great. I sure wish dumb fucks wouldn't speak their opinion at all.

>Because trying to frame it as a good thing is jarring, stupid and reflects the author's mentality of other human beings.
If you're a retard sure. I for one am glad we have hundreds of little wage slaves doing everything for us, which allows us to work on better higher things.

LNs aren't a monolith you turdforbrains fuckface.

My ability to overturn actual institutions of slavery or near-equivalents is limited at best. My ability to influence media specifically targeting my demographic is slightly more robust.

But I oppose both and do what I can to end actual injustices, too. I can do both.

Haydee was a free woman the moment she stepped on French soil, in case you forgot.

yes? you have a chance that he migh not care or be against it
hell from the total pool of faggots that replied in this thread at leaat 70% would just be ok with it, some from the same country as you

Eh I kinda agree. I think an otaku, or for that matter any man who is lonely and gets the chance to have a slavewife would take it. It used to happen and I know that I would seriously think about it I'd bet that girls would do the same but with them being slavedaughters who then fuck their daddies (queue male readers angry because they didn't expect that from age gap + female author).
I will treat them nicely, it will be real love, yadda yadda.

So basically, it is in character for most isekai'd characters. I'd admit I don't read much isekai, but I'd bet that most people who get slavewives are what I mentioned, lonely man who got a new chance.
The real issue is that they don't even like it. It's just presented as something that happens and they are all ok. It was the same with incest: 90% of the time the sister wanting her brother is presented as so normal that the mc has no reaction, not even positive to it.

And when the guy do like having slaves, it often comes out as embarrassingly childish, like a little kid pretending he's smarter and more adult than he is. This often happens in videogame inspired isekai, where the frustration of the author and reader feels really pathetic, and this is coming from a 29 years old virgin.

>Really untapped market there, I think

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>author if from that country
>he's ok with it according to you
>so its his readerbase
if the random person if one of them yes
if anything anyone transported into a magic medieval world would be more worried about illness and possible low life expentansies rather than if he should campaign agains slavery

I think most 4channers are sociopaths on the border on insanity and a conversation with a woman away from a panic attack. That's completely different from blank, morally righteous, always correct isekai protagonist.

Better or worse if one time instead of the MC doing it, he can order a brother/sister pair being sold to have sex with each other for their first time?

Yeah we're also on fucking Yea Forums, it's established we aren't exactly normal people. So you should also establish the same for your MC if he's just gonna easily start throw around fliff and buying up slaves like a sultan.

I'm not even meming. Slaves for nips are usually monsters who are fully capable of tearing your face off or functions that are unrealistic. Rarely do you get something actually human like
And if it is it's near guaranteed to be a sex fantasy. Which is what Sil even is in. The monster girl thing is definitely in full effect in OPs image so just breathe boi breathe

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you said random

Also was an Anatolian/Greek princess, rather than the elegant Asian lady in the anime.

And we're to criminalize such relationships because of position? What if it's honest love that had nothing to do with position abuse?

>you're in a world with hack powers/position
>not being morally righteus when its convenient to your desire

Anime Edmond was a deliberately irredeemable villain.

Sounds pretty plausible if your avatar's a white/noble dude because then you're never on the selling end

lmao

Kinda same.Ive learned english "organic way", mostly from games, books and movies, but dont know basically any proper grammar rules or definitions. Still, i was mostly 5-6 (B-A in us i guess) student in my school. I was even always "hired" to be a guide and translator for exhange students, with boosted my grades i guess.

What the fuck are you talking about? 4channer sociopaths wouldn't care about being morally righteous, that's why they would have slaves.

Whiteoid ability to think that their current set of western modern morals is eternal, objective, and natural is amazing.

No, that's just an ordinary person saying ridiculous things while anonymous on the internet. This kind of trolling used to keep normalfags out.

But was still fascinating to watch.

Or maybe it was the early 2000s clothing animation style.

Imagine how much greater America would be if the slaves were never brought over.

Chinese emperors banned slavery millennia before whites did you bellend

>according to you
I don't think writing or reading it means that someone approves of slavery either. They are uncritically ignoring potentially complicated or unpleasant implications, as all people do when not actually critically engaging something. I just agree with some anons above that a normal, well-adjusted person (and yes I know not all isekai protags ARE that) requires some kind of narrative consequence or justification.

the point of self insert mc is to be the readers ideal self, not what they really are, both physically and ideologically

In the resource economy before the industrial revolution having slaves is important to accumulating wealth. Only after the industrial revolution does factory processing job become more valuable for the economy than slave resource extraction.

>morally righteous
Buying the slave is morally righteous, because the chances that isekai protag is a better master than they could hope for is almost 100%.

Anatolia is in Asia, technically.

I mean, it was good. Edmond being taken to the logical extreme of revenge was interesting.

He says while also saying he would love to own a slave

I kinda want to rewatch that, romeo x juliet, and chevalier d'eon.

But Turkey is seeking to enter the European Union... Well not anymore.

I guess if you count Constantinople.

>we aren't exactly normal people
Don't speak for me you aids infested faggot
If you're so fucking special then why don't you go drown yourself in a pool full of sarin

Literally has nothing to do with what I said, except for point out how deluded white people are when they pretend to be and always have been the most developed part of the part.

Most isekai fucbois are powerful or wealthy enough to literally abolish slavery.

"I'm going to buy as many slaves as possible for this reason" would actually be an interesting way to approach this subject, with room for conflict both for and against it. The thing people are saying is stupid is when there is no justification at all.

My brother of African descent!

Chevalier d'eon was the hype for ep 1.
Then the last half of the anime happened. I could not be more disappointed.

Also that you lifted me up to walk on mountains for romeo x juliet.

>I'm a normal person, that's why I am perfectly fine owning slaves.

Yikes.

The space age part is also interesting to see, but probably not taken advantage of as much as it can be.

>You have to work for free
>You'll work as long as your master says you'll work
Slavery sounds terrible. I wouldn't want to be a slave, so I don't like slavery.

Well the book was written from a Christian worldview, with the ideas of divine punishment, redemption and forgiveness driving the whole thing. The anime is made by Japs who don't things that way so maybe that could have influenced it. Instead they go deeper into the ideas of the old generation fucking up the younger generation with their old destructive grudges.

But you get lodging, free meals, free health care, and a retirement package.

Great fucking education there. Russia and the US were among the last "advanced" countries to abolish slavery.

Now you have to work for money you will then give back to your master,
And you still have to work as long as your master say you'll work, unless you are self employed.

>You'll work as long as your master says you'll work
Day and night.

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Interesting perspective.

Now I want to rewatch it again.

There's nothing wrong with using slavery as a plot point, you can write a lot of interesting character development between the MC and the slave character, thing is it isn't used as a plot point, or anything really. Actually I'm not really sure what it's written in for other than "this character is a slave". It just comes off as a very poor attempt at characterization at best and allah forgive me for muttering this phrase, or a shitty attempt at power fantasy at worst.

The fuck is wrong with you, that holding any small moral position means you have to go off the deep end? If you buy a slave to serve a purpose, and do not commit cruelty, its already justified. The slave gets a better life than she otherwise could have gotten and the protagonist gets a useful tool.

>Are the Japanese even human? They seem incapable of comprehending the gravity of this concept.
Back at you, are you human? Only a couple of civilisations have a history of slavery and yours is one of them.

Only solid argument so far.

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>murder all the slavers for trying to enslave your obamajimmy
>but if I take their slaves I'll be a thief criminal so I'll just leave them to rot out here
Real big brain logic there, Seigensou.

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Ah yes this is clearly the picture of a well adjusted individual, how silly of me.

Based man of order. I hope he called the proper authorities so they could escort that loose property back to the pens.

What race were the slaves?

Why does literally every little thing in a story need to be a plot point

No, it's not morally righteous because the protagonist could have set her free. Even further, the protagonist is normally powerful enough to destroy the system instead of being an active participant in it

At the cost of having zero freedom and being shackled to a guy with the personality of cardboard that you have to pretend to like.

Everything in a story serves a purpose.

People who think we're still not slaves are idiots. There's a reason people don't use slaves anymore because owning a slave is more expensive than having a worker. Our world nowadays still have slaves, real slaves, sex slaves and many other kind of slaves. The reason people are mad at japanese isekai slaves is because the potrayal of those slaves are according to the potrayal of slave in western media. They think slaves are beings that you use for sexual and diabolical things when only literal evil people do that even in the medieval ages.

>Egyptians
>Africans
>Assirians
>Greeks
>Romans
>Russians
>Arabs
>Europeans
>American European descendants
>American African descendants
>Aztecs
>Mayans (in before I don't know shit about Aztecs and Mayans)
>Van Darkholme
>Japan
>I might be forgetting some, like Jews, for example, despite slave mapping out most of the human territories
Only a couple, huh?

No, I think that it would be just one way of actually incorporating a character's presumably familiar moral convictions about slavery into the story. My point is that a narrative has to actually address the idea, rather than just blithely include a cute slave girl to pander, to be taken seriously. Even in your version of events, wouldn't the character need to think about how they feel about it to come to the conclusion that it was, if not ethical, at least acceptable to do that?

Yea Forums is so socially inept that there are people on this board who don't see anything wrong with treating another person like property.

Most slaves in isekai are literally sex slaves.

Slavery is peak capitalism. Based nips

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No, he's already a murderer.

Slavery in of itself is not a bad thing. It allows survival for refugees and orphans that otherwise not be capable of living on their own.

So long as you weren't a complete asshole of a slave owner, being a slave had a lot of potential perks including food, shelter and education. In some cases, you were even given an allowance of funds.

Also, people don't live that much different than slaves anyway. We spend the majority of our lives either working or sleeping, with random spurts of free time with most of us giving the majority of our funds towards living costs.

I watched the Dagger of Kamui a while ago and this nip guy boards an American vessel and frees a nigger slave and tells him to run off and this nig just keeps following him and calling him master despite his protests like it was his inborn condition, pretty funny. Not a foreign concept in the west either that some people are just happier to be ordered around.

>Our world nowadays still have slaves, real slaves, sex slaves and many other kind of slaves.
YEAH AND THAT SHIT'S BAD TOO YOU FUCKING RETARD

HOLY FUCK HOW MANY MENTAL GYMNASTICS DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO SAY "WELL WE HAVE SLAVES IN MODERN DAY SO ITS FINE". OF COURSE WE HAVE FUCKING SLAVES IN MODERN TIMES BUT GUESS WHAT IT'S A FUCKING SHIT JOB PRACTICED BY SHIT PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT FUCKING HELPING YOUR CASE.

this desu

All colors.

You're a slave too dumbass. Unless you are rich or are living by yourself in the woods, everyone is a slave. That's my point. You might wanna say semantics and shit but you are a slave. What is wrong is that the only potrayal of slaves are the sex and torture kind of slaves. Those are usually owned by evil people yet japs are making it out like everybody own slaves like that which is bad, that I agree.

>They think slaves are beings that you use for sexual and diabolical things when only literal evil people do that
Japanese anime doesn't ever seem to show us commercial scale slaves being worked to death in the mines like the Romans did. Only personal slaves.

Cause it's fictional? dang dude who cares it's not like its real people also kinda related Dorei Yuugi is a pretty fun manga about slaves

i hope more refugees and economic migrants flood Europe. that's only fair to what their ancestors did and still to this day benefit off of all the stealing, colonizing, massaccarring.

Justified=/=righteous. Normal people are not righteous nor do they actually care about being so. As well, most do not have the resources to fight a kingdom, which they would have to do since leveraging violence against an ingrained aspect of society would necessitate it. Even if they did, it would still be a gigantic pain in the ass cause they have no reason to take up.
>wouldn't the character need to think about how they feel about it
No, its like 5 seconds of thought to come to that conclusion, especially since most come into it with a goal. A single line is more than enough.

Why was the hero such a necrophile? He would only kiss dead girls and maybe even do something else if it was his sister? I really liked the chanting of evil magic monks and nuns in a couple of episodes, the series truly peaked in those two moments.

Holy shit you're retarded if you think living paycheck to paycheck delivering Uber food is on the same level as the "trading Chinese lives for coal"-tier slave labor the Japs did in WW2

Or people outside of America just don't give a rats ass about slavery other than they don't want to be one.

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Sounds like a normal day in corporate america.

>Shirt
>By chink, not by southeast or south asian.
>Also missing the point this much.

I am very late but I to say that this is the worst post of this month.

Have some obligatory Japanese shadman.

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How come the rape thread get delete but not this

I bet you think this picture is the deepest shit ever

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Modern workers are basically slaves with better working conditions. If you're not one of the few lucky ones you make barely enough money to survive and you just do what you're told. Of course because of muh american freedumbs you have the freedom to live in the streets.

that doesn't look very healthy

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>Russians
Russian here. Peasants were not slaves. More importantly, peasants were our own people, while minorities enjoyed a life of freedom. (Heck, Russians who lived outside of southern regions enjoyed a life of freedom) At no point in history we abused another nation.

the big difference is that you can choose your work and the possibility, no matter how small, to become rich and not having to work anymore. You don't have that as a slave

2 bombs, not enough

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>Party Consists of

>A Slime
>Best Girl
>Best Loyal Bro
>Waifu God

How is anyone going to top this?

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>you can choose your work
How about no? Do you think a slave is stuck to his master for his whole life? Don't be stupid and do your research.

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Slavery is bad though. Even from an economic point of view it's mostly shit. Unless you're an agrarian society heavily focussed on exports, free men will almost always lead to a healthier economy

I forgot about the elf.

Also new Jailbait Otherworlder and doggo joins party.

Possibly but from a historical perspective, there really isnt enough information.
Slavery has only been done away with for a few hundred years, and the modern middle class is only about a hundred years old.

>there really isnt enough information.
Just look at Rome, slavery basically ruined their economy and society, only serving to enrich a small elite while the majority of people were ruined and forced to become proles (urban poor). This played a big part in the optimates vs populares struggle and the ultimate downfall of the republic. Pic somewhat related

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Serfs are essentially slaves.

Not by a long shot

And Russian serfs could be separated from their families and sold away from the land. Plus Russians took prisoners for example from Finland during wars against Sweden to be sold as slaves.

bugmen dont give a fuck about human value what do you expect
no but purging the slaver scum, using the most painful and inhumane forms of execution will though

underage

>slavery as a narrative devise have a lot of impact in perception of real world issue because my feelings dictate it
Retards out here really don't know we're looking at literal lines on paper and playing pretend.

sick comeback bro

You have to be 18 to post here

and? Do you think the slave can choose his master or what he does for him? In the free market you can work anywhere you want and what you want, you just have to have the qualifications, and those are available for everyone
>inb4 they aren't

>haha ur just a kid get off my website XD
>thinking that due punishment to human scum is underaged
t. weeb/bugman
slaver scum deserve the fucking rope

This is the most underage post I've seen all day

yeah keep repeating the same thing youll totally teach me a lesson about being mature, retard

Slavery is inherently wrong though ethically. You basically have another sentient person as your toy.
Your aware Raph stops being nafumis slave when she becomes a hero in her own right?

rome always had slavery. republic, empire, late empire and even after the western collapse

Yes and?

so youre arguing the instutution of slavery somehow brought down a civilisation that lasted 1500 years

>Tfw when user thinks that being against slavery is immature

>so youre arguing the instutution of slavery somehow brought down a civilisation
No, can't you read?

this
>asserting that scum get what they deserve is immature
>indulging in the power fantasy of slavery isnt though

>Just look at Rome, slavery basically ruined their economy and society
yes

why is the 30 year old wizard who lives in a dystopian cyberpunk future a little kid?

Yes, it ruined their economy and led to the downfall of the republic and the state of the economy later led to the downfall of the empire. And it also created ruinous social trends due to the ever increasing need for slaves on the one hand and the ever increasing amount of urban poor having to be fed on the other hand. Roman civilisation survived in spite of it

>>this many people who dont realize that everyone is a slave
even a truly free person is subject to the environment, God, and their own limitations
there is no entity that does not serve
in fact Jesus himself specified that to rule in what he called heaven, you must be a servant to everyone
like, not nominally

I don't really care, i mean, it's a stupid cheap plot point used to justify a power fantasy, but it's my fetish, so i can't complain that much, i'd like to see the slave girls being auctioned entirely naked, but that almost never happens in isekai.

Thats like asking why incest porn productions don't expand on the cultural and biological background of the incest taboo.
You are supposed to fap to it, not think about it.

Very good karma Fallout 3 character detected.

>186298093
>haha if you really think about it-
die, not even worth a (you) for that retarded head in the sand logic

Slaves are the best honestly. Especially Isekai can't disobey slaves.

Perfect girls that will never cheat.

>if you don't act against all the evil in the world, you don't have the right to criticize its existence
The funniest thing about this whole post is that this is a tipical SJW argument

youre god damn right im a pillar of the fucking community

>Isekai writers are shit and pander bug people who have no concept about problems concerning slavery
No shit its bad writing. Japanese are the most entitled people on earth, they almost killed themselves twice and US had to save them both times (Pacific war and winter of 46). The fact that US couldnt instill democracy and western, civilized values prove that Japanese are a lost cause.

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>it was terrible and brought rome down
>even though rome lasted 1000 years and was emulated for another 1000 years in the west
>even though rome is regarded as the greatest civilisation of classical antiquity
retarded opinion

>we couldnt subvert their culture therefore they have no hope to stand on their own guise
good goy!
fuckin this, its just retards desperately grasping for straws to delude themselves into thinking they have the intellectual highground

>even though rome is regarded as the greatest civilisation of classical antiquity
That was Han China if you're not white

Not that user but you should probably neck yourself for not knowing about Roman economy and civil strife that weakened the nation
>Emulated
>greatest civilization when we had Macedon and others
Yikes sempai

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han china had slavery too

>Rome can't be great despite including bad things
>slavery must be good because great civilisations also practiced it
Do you even have a brain?

Europeans had gunpowder and plated armor when nips played with swords. Europeans had steam boats when nips played around with swords and gunpowder. Europeans had immense legistlation, banking systems and checks on power while Nips played around with rice. US has microsoft, China has Weibo while nips have nothing

Japanese culture is objectively inferior.

>he thinks macedon > rome
>tells others about not knowing history

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>something is bad because i was told it is
npc detected

>being a size queen

>he thinks rome > macedon because of its size

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regardless trying to help inforior races without killing them outright never works, either leave them alone or put them out of their misery,
making them change isnt gonna happen and turns you into the hebraic monster

Van is looking good.

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You haven't made a single argument in favor of slavery yet, brainlet

Primarily as an overflow outlet to put prisoners of war to work (with the option for manumission), and somewhere to put criminals. And those guys are owned by the state, not by private individuals.
It was never common, never household oriented, and never became involved in any major industries, and probably simply impractical, creating an undesirable class that didn't really jive with Confucian society. there was simply no good Confucian rationale for them. The closest you could get was the eunuchs of the court, or corvee/forced labor that the emperor could order, both cases being by the emperor's authority. You simply just couldn't legally own another person as a private individual in majority of imperial China's history.

Intersting story, Japs would have actually had their own OS and everything, one that actually fit the japanese language and read right to left vertically. They were going to start implementing it in schools and stuff but then the US government told then no you have to use microsoft and thus it got shelved.

A better question is why we keep having fucking threads about isekai when 99% of them are shit? I mean it's not even like OP or other posters in the threads like isekais, but rather it's just yet another fucking thread bitching about isekai.

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I'm not sure what your point is. Something that is derivative, pandering, shallow, and juvenile IS badly written, not just in poor taste. You have to be vapid mindless sponge to think otherwise.

People'd stop bitching if it stopped being shit.

How about we stop making threads about them if they're so fucking horrible? That's what any sane person would do after bitching about it for a while.

I

> Tell us how many millions of jews died in the Holocaust, user

And now eurocucks are drowning in refugees who want to behead them and getting arrested for mean words on social media.

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>this thread

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I like it, I feel zero regrets about liking it, I don't care what you think of me. What now?

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Is that from raws? I don't remember doggy style this juicy.

>fundamental concept of personal liberty
Show it to me. Where is it? In your head. It's subjective.
>inb4 I refuse your notion of subjective therefore my beliefs are objective

>facedown
>rape is in mating press position
Huh?

>completely normal modern person who is just perfectly fine with owning another person once they go to another world
Well yeah I don't have a habit of forcing my worldview and principles when I'm a guest in a foreign land.

>no but purging the slaver scum, using the most painful and inhumane forms of execution will though
You've just became criminal retard because slavery is legal in isekai and you've abducted, tortured and murdered legitimate businessman.
Have fun rotting in jail, retard.

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Japanese history with slavery is unlike the West's. If anything, it's more similar to native Africans in that they sold their own people to Western slaveowners. Thus, much like the native Africans, they were only ever exposed to the monetary benefits and none of the harshness of chattel slavery -- the big complaint was that Europeans were buying too many slaves and only cut back on it when the shogun threatened to ban Christianity.

You should study about how slavery worked throughout history before making such dumb statements.

Also, slavery was only bad for africans becasuse most of them were PoW, therefore stripping them of all rights by their own brethen before selling them to europeans.

>You have to be immature
Are you lost?
>it would never happen to me, I would be in power
What makes you think I don't self-insert as slaves? Have you seen what lives they have following protag in most isekai? It's comfy as fuck, secure too.

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Target audience are 22-45 y/o nip males who need an escape from 150 hours workweek with barely 5 weekends per year.

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Honestly, the morality of it is very simple for me. I would never want to be a slave, so if I were to be isekai'd, I wouldn't purchase slaves. If other people say they would want to have sex slaves, then so be it, who cares what random people on this site think. But if some giganigger in another world ensalved and anally ravaged them, they'd probably sing another tune.

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>user. The shirt your wearing right now was probably made by some poor chink making 5 cents per hour.
Who appreciates an opportunity to make money by working on a factory in a formerly agrarian country.
Once employment rates and salaries go up - quality of life will follow and low-qualification labor will move to another poor country, transforming it into a 2nd world industrial nation.
It's a good thing, you fucking twat.

Isekai target audience are wageslaves who don't have time on romance and forgot what it's like to form social connections, so they need quick solution to companionship in their weekly escapism pulp fiction that they never even bother to read a synopsis about, hence the longass WN names.
They just grab whatever from the shelf or nyosetsu feed to keep their mind off existential horror that is soulless corporate cog life.

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I'm sorry but that's bullshit. Age dynamics come into play if you allow them too, the same with any power dynamic. If I fell in love with a boss or somebody Younger / older than me, sure there would be obstacles but love would make me work through those with the person together. However, I'm not going to date someone purely because they are the right fit. Fuck that.

Besides, I have very little interest in anybody ”real” its too much trouble.

Now excuse me I have to find a Yotsuba Daki.

Only キモオタ think like that. In more mainstream series like One Piece slavery is portrayed as an awful thing. autistic otaku =/= all nips

>But if some giganigger in another world ensalved and anally ravaged them, they'd probably sing another tune.

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Easy to say, and even easier to implement. Why don't you take a trip to asspound prison and let Jamal have a go?

Why is the modern world like this? There are open air slave markets in Libya. You can buy a slave for $400 right now. Obviously it's a thing all over the world, but usually it's more hidden nowadays.

>I want a slave
>I don't want to be a slave
Are you retarded not to see the difference?
Do you eat meat?
Do you think "Oh god I don't want to be eaten!" every time you eat meat?

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Too bad I can only enjoy it in a shithole.

japan is the country that ranks last in modern slavery. they are the furthest detached you can be from the realities of the suffering of slavery

>furuda reiko
Their mentality still fits alright.

whats even happening in the last panel?

Absolute brainlet take. Even though animals do have emotions, and I sometimes feel bad about eating them, they aren't human. But in a hundred years or so we'll all be bugmen and eating insects or artificial meat anyway, so that problem will be solved.

And before you go "b-but slaves/beastmen/elves aren't human either", just stop. Mentally, they are on the same level, and you know it. Thus, they deserve the same respect. Same goes for "but what about those chinese sweatshop slaves" and "but what about those thai sex slaves". What am I supposed to do, go John Wick on a fucking country? A normal man only has limited capabilities, and a limited amount of choice. If I were raised in an era where slavery was rampant, I would probably support slavery. But I am not, and thus if I were transported to a place where it is, although I likely wouldn't be able to stop it, I at least wouldn't stoop that low.

The could take the suffering of being a wageslave drone as a guiding principle.

>they aren't human
Neither are isekai catgirls/doggirls and elves.
>and I sometimes feel bad about eating them
>still eats them
So you're not above encouraging ruthless industry that inhumanely exploits living beings for your own comfort?
Hypocrite, your arguments are worthless.
Come back when you create 0 suffering be it personally or by proxy.

Sill is a self insert of the writter of the original games from 90’s, isn’t she?

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>I at least wouldn't stoop that low
Nobody here is going to give you any cookies for it, sweetie.
>inb4 I know you're all degenerate scum
And neither for that.

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>If she's honestly in love, does she love YOU, or does she love what you provide?
If I wanted to ask myself this I'd get a gf.

>Something that is derivative, pandering, shallow, and juvenile IS badly written
So basically what you're saying is that 99% of all fiction is badly written. Got it user. Maybe you should try to be more open minded.

>lawful dumb justicefag opening his mind
Do you want his retardation to spill out even further than that?

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Literally the same argument people use to argue for capitalism. "But you own smartphones!" Congrats on that room temperature IQ. If you support slavery, why don't you catch your own slaves in your home. What, you're afraid of the consequences? So you don't actually support slavery, you hypocrite. This is your brain on isekai.

>neither are isekai catgirls/doggirls and elves
Great job closing your eyes at the last part of my post.

>implying I need your validation
I simply stated my position. What I don't want done to me, I try my best not to do to others.

>sweetie
Imagine my surprise that you're another edgy redditfag.

Seems like you're the one craving cookies for being cool and nihilistic, Yea Forumstard.

>why don't you catch your own slaves in your home
That would be illegal are you retarded?
>Literally the same argument people use to argue for capitalism.
So? You're still a hypocrite: you're encouraging living beings suffering for your own comfort.

>That would be illegal are you retarded?
And? If laws are enough for you to change your moral position, then you didn't have a position in the first place. You're just a drone absorbing the opinions of your surroundings, be they your society of Yea Forums.

>So? You're still a hypocrite: you're encouraging living beings suffering for your own comfort.
Wrong. We need to eat to live, be it plants or animals. You don't need sex, and it can in fact be gotten easily without harming anyone. Even if you're vegan, there've been studies that that plants have some form of emotion as well. So why don't you starve yourself?

But not intelligent enough that they wouldn't fuck the country up if they did so.

>school teaches us that the country is prosperous because of slaves picking cotton
>this is supposed to be interpreted as 'slavery is bad'
Americans actually learn that something like slavery is wrong before they even read about southern chattel slavery, because they're taught about how the revolution started first and why liberty is important. By the time they're examining slavery they can already see it's wrong to take away someone else's liberty.

Not him but I can have an opinion on slavery and comply with existing laws at the same time. Nothing contradicting nything.

Slavery is objectively bad. Not only does deprive people of their freedom and create countless atrocities, such as systematic rape, but it's also poison to an economy.

In a society of slaves, there are going to be those who own slaves and those who do not. This will create a class of nobility which have extreme economic leverage and also create a class of commoners who are unable to find adequate work because they will be displaced by countless slaves who work for free. The vast majority of free people in a slave society suffer these consequences. And yet every isekai fails to recognize this simple logical fact.

Because Jamal is 3DPD.

>If laws are enough for you to change your moral position
It's not like religion and laws have anything to do with morals haha right
It's not like religion and laws are different in isekai
>then you didn't have a position in the first place
Picrelated, if they're selling legally - I'm buying. This is my position.
>Wrong. We need to eat to live
You haven't jumped the opportunity so I assume you're not picky in your choice of meat.
Industrial meat factories they cannot even be called farms anymore are causing horrible suffering to cattle, completely unjustified and caused purely by scale of production. Which is a necessity to bring down the price. If you are not buying expensive meat from local small-scale producers that actually care about living conditions of cattle - that's still hypocrisy.

You need to eat meat but you're buying it cheap.
Meat produced in humane conditions would be expensive.

You are a hypocrite and retarded whiteknight fixated on a single topic while blind to the suffering you cause IRL.

You have no highground for that kind of discussion, never reply to me or my posts ever again.

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You just described 99% of the time frame of human civilisation and a shitload of isekai portray exactly what you're talking about by showing jobless poor living in slums. They're never advanced enough to need to give a shit about the poor in the first place.

>You just described 99% of the time frame of human civilisation
That's not true.
>a shitload of isekai portray exactly what you're talking about by showing jobless poor living in slums
The few that do attribute the poverty to corrupt leaders, not slavery.

>BRUH I AM DEFINITELY A MASTER AND NOT A SLAVE
Get to work slavey or I’ll beat your ass and not give you food.

>The few that do
>Slums
>the few
Attribute it to whatever the fuck you want, poorfags and slums still exist in most isekai.

lol faggot Slavery is human nature.

>I want slaves
>Yet I am too cowardly to take them myself, either by force or through visiting third world countries
If your stance on slavery is "yes, I'd absolutely fuck them into submission", but you're too cowardly to do it without an absolute advantage in power that isekai novels provide and no chance of persecution, then you're just pathetic.

I do buy free range meat exclusively (bio, no sure what the english term is here, but basically ensures that it's treated well) and from local producers, although people without the financial capability are naturally unable to do that. Not sure how you got from my post that I wasn't concerned about such things.

As for fixating on problems - we're widely swaying from the original topic here, but who cares. Let's go into it. I'm very interested in preventing climate change, although a single person can do literally nothing when a few dozen huge shipping boats alone cause something like 20-30% in damage. We need to rely on politicians for that, which simply isn't looking well. Same for the mass internment of minorities in china, all the slavery around the world, the condition of workers in factories there, etc... The fact of the matter is, unlike in isekai wish fulfillment fantasies, the average man has no power. All the countries in the world cannot stop North Korea from fucking its citizens, or China from violating human rights, or any other things. Geopolitics and the threat of nuclear war is simply too powerful. In this world, the most you can do is vote and protest, which is having no effect. Basically, you're powerless. Which is why isekai and any other wish fulfillment stories are so popolar. They provide something not available in the real world, agency.

>get shanked with my cheat holy demonic shadow eldrich shiv +100500 granted me by god who accidentally 404 me on Earth
Learn the tropes retard.

>Yet I am too cowardly to take them myself
That would be illegal.
>either by force
That too would be illegal.
>through visiting third world countries
It would be illegal to bring them back to 1st world and I don't want to live in 3rd world country.

You have any more of them retarded arguments?

>Meat produced in humane conditions would be expensive.
Factory produced meat isn't much cheaper and their prices are inflated simply because they can.

>I do buy free range meat exclusively
Of course you do.

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>hundreds of post by people bitching that the Japanese don't adopt their cuck self hate mentality
lmao, it's hilarious how triggered westerners get over some media having male power fantasy, I guess that's the result of growing up in a society where all media panders to either women or minorities and you are constantly told to hate yourself

>they don't know what being poor is actually like
youtube.com/watch?v=04Z3Rd0rD_I

>It's not like religion and laws have anything to do with morals haha right
>It's not like religion and laws are different in isekai
>Picrelated, if they're selling legally - I'm buying. This is my position.
So you're an unthinking sheep.
>You haven't jumped the opportunity so I assume you're not picky in your choice of meat.
Being against the way meat is produced is completely different from supporting slavery or not.
>You are a hypocrite and retarded whiteknight fixated on a single topic while blind to the suffering you cause IRL.
No, you are objectively a hypocrite who hides behind laws that you apparently don't even agree with.
>You have no highground for that kind of discussion
Ironic.

You're not homeless, you're a middle class American claiming that the middle class doesn't exist. Stop being a fucking retard, though I'm sure that's impossible for you.

How the fuck is it not true? Widespread slavery has existed for as long as humans have built cities. It wasn't till the 19th century that a global-scale effort to abolish it came to be.

The triggered "westerners" are likely foreign scum who shouldn't even be there.

No. I must applaud your steadfast worldview. If slavery were suddenly made legal in this world, and the lower caste (ie you) were ensavled, you would remain in favour of it, right? You simply can't argue against a man that cucked.

>he can't believe some people actually have money
Based poorfag.

>So you're an unthinking sheep.
So I'm not imposing my principles on foreign soil. Is that a burger thing not to understand that?
>Being against the way meat is produced is completely different from supporting slavery or not.
So you're advocating living beings suffering for your own comfort? Gotcha.
>who hides behind laws
So you don't respect laws either? Gotcha.
>Ironic.
Never claimed to have one, there's no irony.

>So you're advocating living beings suffering for your own comfort?
lol says the faggot buying clothing, electronics,etc made by brown children for 50cents a day

>you would remain in favour of it, right?
That depends on conditions.

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But I'm not pretending to be above or disgusted by it. I love meat and cheap electronics and I feel zero shame for liking it.

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Funny how China got by for 2000 years of imperial period without "widespread slavery".

You got one against how many?

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That image is /pol/ after the NZ shooting

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The typical isekai way. Some rich man buys and drugs you to love his dick. Tbh that might actually be the dream life for some faggots here, so I guess I now understand why some like slavery so much.

>you're not homeless
Where did I say I was? Me not being homeless doesn't stop homeless Americans from existing.

I don't go to /pol/ and I don't care about dead muslims. Neither do you. Neither do any of the political leaders falling over themselves to say they care, because they all support the military machine bombing them for profits and other reasons.

>How the fuck is it not true?
Slavery did not exist in the vast majority of civilizations. Instead of memeing, try actually learning about history.

Homeless Americans existing doesn't mean there isn't a middle class, dumbass.

You didn't have to make me hard just for the sake of argument.

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>Slavery did not exist in the vast majority of civilizations
>Roman
>Russian
>American

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Where did I say middle class Americans don't exist? Are you getting me confused for a different user? I never said anything about middle class people not existing.

Does NZ even bomb the middle east? I can see Americans not giving a shit though. Since NZ rarely has any shootings I'd say it probably hit closer to home for them. They probably cared way more than some random American that gets shot every other week.

Like I said here after the Qin unification slavery was never a large or key industry like it was in the West or West Asia. It may have existed sporadically especially in the western regions close to the Persians and far from imperial control, or in small numbers here and there during periods of breakdown of imperial rule, but it was basically never an accepted fact of life or component of the economy like it was in the West. Part of that is because there was just no market demand for it, since China's labor was in plentiful supply without the need for a system of owning other people. Slaves didn't exist in the Confucian heirarchy, and the only large scale slave labor there was outside of what was already mentioned was when the Emperor used forced labor of his subjects to build stuff like the Grand Canal or the Great Wall.

>Where did I say middle class Americans don't exist?
That's the entire point of the chain of comments.
>I never said anything about middle class people not existing.
Then don't jump into a chain of comments talking about whether or not the middle class exists, you fucking moron. Dismissed.

>magic to boost productivity exist
>not enough population to justify mass production
>slavery exist somehow

>lists three civilizations whose combined history makes up less than 1% of human history
Idiot.

I don't really care about the chain of comments or I would have replied to them. Just wanted to reply to that one point, because it's fucking retarded to insist Americans don't know what poverty is. That's pretty much it.

>Roman
Arguably greatest contributor.

>Does NZ even bomb the middle east?
Probably not personally, but they would contribute in other ways

even the wiki article of slavery in china proves that wrong.

>I don't really care about the chain of comments or I would have replied to them
You did reply to them.
>Just wanted to reply to that one point, because it's fucking retarded to insist Americans don't know what poverty is
That comment never insisted that Americans didn't know what poverty was. If you weren't an illiterate fucking moron, you would have known that it was referring to middle class Americans claiming that they are poor/aren't middle calss because they don't know what poverty is. Congratulations, you're retarded.

1989年春夏之交的政治风波

Because .hack starred kids, and kickstarted the whole genre of being transported to a vr videogame?

>wiki article
Try reading an actual peer reviewed academic source, not a Wikipedia article.

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01440390308559161?journalCode=fsla20

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>Rape of Nanking
>Lets forget about Whites making Black people slaves for generations. I wonder which had the higher body count.

>I became a slime
>Actually became a loli
I hate this. Makes my blood boil.

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God dammit, Four

Nah, I'm good thanks chink. Your race is no different to any other, you enslaved your own and others for the same reason. You were enslaved by Mongols as well, lol faggots.
>b-b-but only a small percentage
The height of slavery in America only 1.5% of Americans had slaves. You are just being a tard over the word widespread.

this is correct; nothing wrong with chopping for a few trees

Keep that mentality and soon the world will no longer has tree.

>claims most of history is full of slavery
>gets btfo by multiple posters
>even gets fed sauce
>just goes lol no fuck you low quality shitpost
BTFO

>claims most of history is full of slavery
I never made that claim, I am not that user. But slavery is present in every culture/race/whatever throughout history and you can not disprove that.

Go on an pat yourself on the back some more idiot.

Just breed them in tree farms
Problem fucking solved

All these pathetic moralfags getting triggered over slavery. American education and media sure have trained you well.

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>I-I-I-I'm not that user

Protip kids, you are a slave. Just because you can choose what job you do doesn't change that.

That actually doesn't solve the problem because tree farms are localized areas, but trees need to be present in a variety of areas in order to maintain healthy environments. Also, there is a trend towards monocultures in tree farming in order to maximize profits, which is incredibly destructive.

who's paying?

Byers.

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Good luck with that faggot I'm behind 12 battle slaves.

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fucking disgrace all these faggots crying over it and joining the bait thread that has been posted countless times. Snowflakes get triggered over butchering animals for food i bet, even if they eat their hamburgers everyday.

better yet, isekai discussion threads get deleted meanwhile this one is alive/about to die over post limit.

A smart opinion? Don’t you know those aren’t allowed here?

And so are you if you think the shit that goes on in one of these isekai's is also on that level. Absolute fucking troglodytes, I tell you.

samefag
>smart opinion
>your protagonist acting like a completely normal modern person who is just perfectly fine with owning another person once they go to another world
This shit is what you call smart? Retard.
People own pets irl, kids are arguably parents slaves.
There's nothing wrong with owning slaves if it's legal.

Yes hence it's protag duty to save dozen of slave damsels from being handled poorly by cruel masters.

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Exactly. Based.

>chubby Edgerlard
This is what working in a bakery does to an adult woman.

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How about this: Somebody does thing, so you don't have to.

Ta daaa!

This nigga knows how it is.

Because it's an excellent framework for an adventure in an exotic land. Hence why the popularity. Most of the threads are bitching about it because it's popular though. If it wasn't popular people wouldn't bitch about the numerous bad isekais that all spring up overnight like mushrooms.

>Absolute brainlet take
That's legit the epitome of your logic though, dumbass.

Only burgers made slavery depend on race. And even that lasted only a relatively small part of their history.
Serfs in Eastern Europe and Russian Empire were almost indistinguishable from slaves both according to laws and practices.

>I do buy free range meat exclusively
It's the most tasty, so why wouldn't you?

>be isekaied with cheats
>get filthy rich
>get nobility rank
>reclaim the wilderness region
>establish infrastructure and housing with hired craftsmen
>stock up initial supplies
>proceed to simultaneously buy all slaves in the nation
>make a grand speech about how they are now all your subjects
>but due to slave law I will technically remain their master
>have craftsmen and freefolk educate slaves how to run shit: agriculture, lumbering, stonemasonry, basic arithmetics
>populate my domain with slaves

I'm sure a dozen or two would show up to suck my dick willingly by the end of week 2.

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>Slavery did not exist in the vast majority of civilizations.
This HAS to be bait. I refuse to believe anyone could POSSIBLY be THIS retarded.

>Because it's an excellent framework for an adventure in an exotic land.
No it's not, it's just an incredibly lazy and easy way to not have to think that hard on what kind of personality the MC will have by just having him have average modern day values which will allow more plebs to selt insert. It's a useful tool for amateurs but it's in no way a mark of a good author.

>good author