Anons have been "foreseeing" the end of the isekai genre for anime in the near future. They were wrong. Infact, pic related actually had to be expanded compared to the last time it got posted on Yea Forums.
Known Upcoming Isekai airing dates:
Spring 2019 - Tate no Yuusha (second cour) - Kenja no Mago - Isekai Quartet
Summer 2019 - Maou-sama, Retry! (pic related) - Arifureta (pic related) - Konosuba Movie - Ni No Kuni Movie
Does Spider Isekai get a human body? If so might read it.
Jacob Lewis
If Bakarina's anime blows up, there's a ridiculously huge wave of otome series just like it that will get an adaptation. If Arifureta does well, that will open the flood gate for all the revengesekai series. If MT does well, they'll go back and adapt other classic isekai series.
Anime only watchers on Yea Forums really have no idea how far down this rabbit hole goes, we've barely begun to scratch the surface.
Hudson Clark
spider doesn't get an arachne form until waaaaay later, after a big tonal shift or two.
Blake Wood
>arachne form ? Is that the humanoid/Spider form? Just can't get into the manga with a spider as a protag same reason I didn't like slime manga
Every fad dies eventually. I unironically miss battle harems.
Josiah Ward
Arifureta is just another edgy shitshow.
Ayden Young
>If Arifureta does well, that will open the flood gate for all the revengesekai series No it won't, because Arifureta is not a "revengesekai", unless the instantly resolved grudge against the bear at the beginning of the series somehow turns the whole series into a "revengesekai" in your eyes.
Aaron Evans
Most revengesekais fizzle out pretty quickly, it's more about the initial setting.
That said, I'd love to see how people react to a Kino Seeker or Nidome no Yuusha adaptation, at least for the first few episodes.
Jayden Lee
But if any of those flop like Asterisk or Bastard Magic Instructor did for battle harem, that severely harms their style of isekai getting more adaptations. Same with Bookworm and autism isekai. If multiples flame out, that hurts the viability of the form.
The thing that keeps contemporary isekai prolific is KDKW and friends are able to pick up amateur labor in a hungry niche for free. If the niche seems to stop being hungry, the bottom drops out.
Daniel Brown
is this the isekai thread? can I talk about WN and LN here?
Jonathan Smith
Yes it's a human body on top of a spider body like Quelaag in Dark Souls. She becomes one at the end of vol 5 but the anime will probably never reach that point, though I think the manga might. >same reason I didn't like slime manga It's kinda like Slime, if Rimuru never absorbed the dragon at the beginning and instead got stuck in a labyrinth with monsters way more powerful than him. Also no automatic I-eat-you win button.
Jacob Cooper
>? To summarize, she gets really fat.
Fads by definition die and are replaced. The problem is it's hard to know something is a fad when you're right in the middle of it, or if it's actually just going to be how things are from now on.
you wouldn't think that vampire girls have lots of calories, but they do
Christian Bailey
>re:zero when? Unknown. No airing date was mentioned yet.
Adrian Harris
Premise means little. The problem isekai has is the execution. >random events stall the pacing/plot >random ass harems that don't work because none of the love interests have any real goals, drive, personality, or reason to crush on MC >authors go into """slice-of-life""" mode when they don't know what to write about >they end up fucking it up since slice of life requires goals and antagonizing force(s) just like any other genre >if you write slice of life without these things, you might as well be writing a journal about what you bought at the grocery store, or what you thought about the weather today
>today i bough a slave >she's a dog girl with big titties >back at the inn i touched her fluffy ears >let her sleep in the bed >i sleep in the floor because i'm a genteman
Benjamin Harris
The concept of isekai will stay around, since parallel world fiction has been a thing since time immemorial.
The current boom which Hataraku Maou-sama started and Mushoku Tensei codified the tropes of will go flat, as these things do.
Concepts will remain, the JRPG-based fantasy already has hooks outside of isekai (Endro~!, the Guruguru remake, YgS, a bunch of retired knight stories).
Ryan Allen
>The current boom which Hataraku Maou-sama started Debatable.
I feel bad for those problematic kids that will never get a second season
Caleb Adams
The Hataraku LN, not anime.
Luis Barnes
Bakarina when? This year or the next?
Owen James
Too many author's play it safe. They're scared to unleash the power of the dick. >Today I needed to enlist the help of a King's army >He didn't help cause lizard rapists are knocking on the door >Got his help anyway and got his wife hooked on my dick >All while keeping me and my family in the kingdom's good graces
Same shit. >SAO: April 2009 >Oda Nobuna No Yabou: August 2009 >Hataraku Maou-sama: February 2011 >Log Horizon: March 2011 >Mondaiji-tachi: April 2011 >Outbreak Company: December 2011 Given the rapid release period between the LNs of Maou-sama, LH and Mondaiji, they kinda feel like they were all trying to bandwagon off something else affecting the LN market. Anything happen in 2010 or prior?
Brody Wilson
They nailed it when to announce the MT anime when you think about it considering the crappy manga adaption just reached the end of vol 6 when Rudy has sex with Eris. Manga only fags were left on this shitty cliffhanger and neither did the manga have Eris’s POV or explain her inner thoughts during the scene, it was just a ‘fade to black’/wake up next day, she’s gone type of sequence.
I'm not an expert by any means but I think a good portion of this comes from a generation of Nips who are more familiar than ever with JRPGs and the tropes that come with it. I feel like the 'market' per say was ripe with new consumers that resonated well with a lot of the fantasy game tropes from their childhood and then they simply became old enough to buy LNs.
Jayden Thompson
It's less about isekai and more about narou. While SAO did popularize that concept of Web Novels caused narou to slowly become a great sea of first drafts for LN publishers to choose from. After that the first narou WNs that became LNs, like Shield Hero and MT, caused even more publishers to be interested in the narou site which slowly led us to where we are now. Some series also inspired each other. For example it's clear Slime's author got influenced by Overlords author, while likewise Kumo's author got influenced by Slime's author.
Eli Lewis
Look forward to the shitposting spree.
Joshua Powell
>Shield Hero and MT They weren’t the first but they were pretty fucking popular and still are. But yea it’s mostly thanks to the so called ‘breaking cliches of the previous era’ and the formation of the narou specific templates thanks to those works which pioneered them and snowballed into what it is now. Even stuff like Slave Harem and Re:Monster(despite the hate boner people have for it) played their part.
It wasn’t a specific series that did it really but just the combination of this whole new triend spearheaded by numerous works like child reincarnation became hot shit after MT, Monster reincarnation with stuff like Goblin Kingdom and RE:Monster, there are also tons of kingdom building and dungeon master templates now and so on.
Ethan Thompson
>Anything happen in 2010 or prior? I suspect nips that finally had money again after the financial crisis but they also got tired of the real world due to the events of the crisis.
Seems finished already at 112 chapters. And popular enough to get secondary translations. Gonna check it out, thanks.
Tyler Davis
They will over saturate the market and then the bubble will burst. Just like it did with highschool battle harems.
Grayson Wright
Going to take a page of Embric's book and write an OP isekai heroine who gets boosted to insane levels after accidentally knocking a senile lich into a deep chasm.
Parker Wilson
>Still no Riverworld adaption Fuck you, Japan
Chase Sanders
well I fucking hope hope MT does well, we need 4-6 seasons for it I won't mind bakarina tho
David Turner
Another question, was it ever compiled into epub or pdf? Translator's site doesn't list one and grabbing each chapter off their blog separately is very tedious.
Colton Mitchell
I can't believe Tate no Yuusha's author is the one that write poison fugitive. zero world building and using too many of narou templates.
Andrew Parker
>Not a single unique or well designed character Post unique or well designed character
Isaiah Perez
>reshit fags actually believe this AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Aiden Gray
>reshit Discord called it reddit:zero.
Daniel Parker
I'm not a big expert on isekai, but I watched a couple of Slime episodes and it was fucking awful. He's overpowered from the beginning and the rest is just powertrip. Pretty sure GATE and Overlord is the same power fantasy shit with no real threats or obstacles.
James Walker
Yes user. And Slime is comedy.
Isaac Bailey
>discord Please out and stay out.
Charles Miller
>i sleep in the floor because i'm a genteman
But he orders her to have sex with him and then fucks the shit out of her. Unless there's another manga that fits your greentext.
Bentley Davis
Why? Re:zero threads were target of discord shitposters.
Jeremiah Wood
I remember when comedies had jokes and were funny. Good times.
John Fisher
If there is one, that MC sounds very stupid.
William Jackson
>I remember when comedies had jokes and were funny. Can you post example of good funny jokes? Or comedy?
Colton Morgan
Hakai me no Yuuri when?
Eli James
You’re going to get Nicole and you’re going to like it. Maybe a flashback episode where Yuuri explains her backstory and how she became a goddess, but that’s about it.
Hudson Perez
you think they'd show the 6 months of loli rape and drowning to death in gallons of cum
Slime is kind of a SoL, you shouldn't really be expecting epic battles or anything, so for what it was I found it pretty decent. GATE was trash, but it's really fun to see modern military technology btfo fantasy shit. Overlord was probably the worst, it started out pretty promising, but all the political subterfuge and stuff gets more and more annoying the more you realize that the MC could solo half the world and that all the subterfuge is kind of pointless (not to mention awful CG later on). Also the edge wears off and gets boring after a while.
Nicholas Perez
I mean you can identify the earlier ones mostly based on whether or not they currently have 20+ LN volumes released or not. There are some that are "just as old" but had some delay issues (which is, for example, why Overlord was overtaken in terms of released LN volumes by Slime), but yea, both Shield Hero and MT are in that range now.
>Title is a sentence explaining the premise >MC is a loser neet >"Cheat" skills >Demon lord >Dimensional space/pocket to avoid having to ever carry anything >Introducing crop rotation >Introducing Japanese cuisine >Adventurer's guild >RPG mechanics >Game windows that display stats >Slavery >Loli sidekick >Language automatically gets translated Every single time, any other tropes I missed?
Oh, there's also something called GameLit. Wouldn't most isekai and otome fall into that?
Jack Sanchez
>most isekai Yes. >otome No.
Because in case of isekai with game-elements system is based on RPG or tabletop games. In case of otome that's just isekai with characters from Otome game, I've yet to see one with actual game elements.
Sebastian Russell
>game elements What would those be? Aren't most otome as mentioned by their WN just something like visual novels?
Landon Reed
Infinite Dendrogram may or might be an isekai too
Josiah Miller
>I've yet to see one with actual game elements. My Disciple Died Yet Again, but the game she's in wasn't originally an otome game so I dunno. It's still otome as fuck though given how there's plenty of hero+heroines for MC to fuck with.
Bentley Evans
>What would those be? Ten pages of skills, levels, tiered magical system, that kind of shit. Try describing RPG character journey in a form of novel and you've got yourself litrpg fantasy novel. Truck MC into other world - and you have your average isekai.
>something like visual novels? Yes and it's a stretch to call it a "game", it's basically anime with lots of static and a choice presented to the viewer.
Why can't they adapt good isekai like slime witch, kuma bear or sleepy vampire? Hell even more otome villains would be something, but this picture lead me to believe next will be that garbage isekai about succubus unbirth son because they want to adapt all the garbage instead.
Jordan Moore
Checked. From the wiki page of litRPG. >This in contrast to GameLit, which involves game-like worlds but does not typically provide visible statistics. That would be otome, wouldn't it? Game-like worlds. Any of those settings could very well be use in a game (see FILWTV).
arguable but what does that to do with influencing them my pedantic minded friend?
Easton Parker
We already talked about it read the thread friend.
David Young
user, any world with magic (and medieval elements) can be the setting of a RPG. I don't think that the existence of status is relevant to classify it as GameLit, as the wiki page says. Oh, and I'm basing it on wikipedia since there's no "OFFICIAL CONSENSUS DO NOT STEAL" about the definition.
Juan Stewart
The only good litrpg is HP and the Natural 20
Jeremiah Cooper
They were filling the niche left by Zero no Tsukaima
Isaiah Ross
I roll to pin the dragon's wing so it can't fly anymore.
Jaxson Green
>user, any world with magic (and medieval elements) can be the setting of a RPG. But it has to be a bloody RPG to begin with. E.g. reading LOTR you see magic, but not this shit Low-fantasy and high-fantasy are also distinctions that can be made, but high-fantasy can have zero game elements too. >hud >levels >skill >martial art >item >invertory
If you see any of that shit - it's "game elements".
That's honestly arguable. Explicit techniques and super skills have been around since legit the ancient era and in Asia especially 'ultimate attacks' or 'ultimate forms' have a very long history in fiction
Jaxon Reyes
> no Iruma-kun It's an isekai in its own way. The battle school harem tropes might distract you from the truth.
Owen Thomas
Did they have levels? Do you assign points to level them? Cultivation isn't game elements.
Xavier Murphy
No, but neither do you have to do that in Overlord. Overlord makes it a game element, but 'melee magic' with explicit names and effects isn't a game element.
Kayden Bennett
Overlord has levels and magic tiers.
Aiden Allen
Tiered magic also doesn't need to explicitly be a game element, but martial arts in particular aren't really treated as a game element.
Nolan Thompson
New worlders not knowing shit about class prerequisites doesn't make it any less "game elements". Don't ignore levels.
Their levels don't necessarily explicitly exist and aren't treated in-world as a thing that really exists even if it does. The only people who think in terms of classes and levels are the ones from the Yggdrasil game.
>not knowing shit... Martial arts aren't part of any specific class you speedreader.
Lucas Wood
>Their levels don't necessarily explicitly exist For NWers - maybe. For NPC and Yggdrasil Players they do exist. Down to numerical XP, HP and mana values. GAME ELEMENTS
>aren't treated in-world as a thing that really exists even if it does. That's like saying gravity didn't exist before humanity found out about it.
Mason Barnes
Yes, for NPC and Ygg players My point is that even explicitly tiered magical systems and melee techniques with 'magical' effects aren't necessarily game elements and I don't know why you think I'm talking about Overlord in particular.
The problem is that they're not relevant for New Worlders. 3.5e mechanics are not amazing at simulation but they're famously flexible enough to apply to almost anything, which means that in theory I could stat out the world of LotR in 3.5e and have everything that happened be the result of dice rolls and good flavor/RP. It wouldn't mean that LotR is therefore using game mechanics. Game mechanics have to be invoked in order to be relevant.
Nolan King
Then don't fucking jump in and ignore levels part of the argument.
Luke Bailey
>The problem is that they're not relevant for New Worlders. They ARE relevant for New Worlders, it's just they're shitters who aren't aware of them.
Lincoln Myers
Dude I could write a story right now statting out everyone in 3.5 terms and rolling dice for all actions If I never mention levels and classes, it's not relevant.
This was my first reply you stupid nigger, nobody is talking about levels
Jackson Anderson
They literally get 1 spell per 7 levels and lose levels at resurrection. Also not your dude, pal. >nobody is talking about levels Why the fuck not? IT'S GAME ELEMENT
Isaac Cruz
>They literally get 1 spell per 7 levels and lose levels at resurrection. They are 'vitally drained' by the process of resurrection and need to practice for long periods of time to gain access to a new tier of spells. It's literally mechanics vs. flavor text. As far as NW is concerned, the mechanics don't exist. Maybe gravity is caused by invisible undetectable fairies from the realm of the fae in the Court of the Black Hole in our world, but it doesn't matter since that's the mechanics, not the flavour, and we are neither able to know or nor exploit the mechanics.
Brayden Ward
I'm not your pal, buddy.
Ethan Foster
>Why the fuck not? Because the discussion isn't about it you sperg
John Adams
>need to practice for long periods of time to gain access to a new tier of spells. BELLY UP
Evileye is for headpats and feeding cupcakes and denying the dick
Because I'm talking exclusively about new worlders and also don't want to talk about fucking Overlord to begin with you fucking spastic Someone brought up martial arts, I mentioned that just because you have melee magic doesn't automatically mean it's a game element and then someone sperged the fuck out about muh Overlord.
Jacob Lewis
It's strange how that hypergamous thot of a Queen can be so endearing.
Angel Gray
>I'm talking exclusively about new worlders and also don't want to talk about fucking Overlord to begin with you fucking spastic Then fuck your cherry-picking. Overlord has Game Elements. Anything with levels has.
>killed Overlord threads Fucking what? Content void is what's killing them. See in these threads next time volume is released, on 93rd fucking month of 2015.
Yeah yeah shut up you stupid ESL I wasn't even talking about levels but apparently you think I was the entire time
Cooper Fisher
A beggar or his family is dying and they need a lot of money immediately? Never heard that one before
Noah Taylor
You were talking about how levels, classes and tiers aren't relevant to NWers anymore they are to DnD characters from inside the setting. While conveniently ignoring Yggdrasil characters present in Overlord that DO have numerical levels, HP, mana and XP. Kill yourself retard.
GAME ELEMENTS
Jaxson Howard
Which was not the original point, which you'd understand if you weren't an ESL obsessed with Overlord. Please do not come to the threads next time, let there be some peace for once.
Nathaniel Johnson
Yes your original post ignored half the fucking argument twat. >levels and magic tiers Do you fucking understand what AND means?
John Murphy
Bakarina is fucking trash
>decent >yuri Oxymoron
Trash, fuck off yurishiters
Benjamin Baker
>melee magic isn't always a game element >yeah but it is in overlord and has levels >alright but even in overlord melee magic isn't a game element >y-yeah but overlord has LEVELS therefore it's TOTALLY RELEVANT that LEVELS in OVERLORD which don't even apply to the melee magic there make melee magic a GAME ELEMENT I've laid it out for you.
Luke Davis
>MA is not a game element >It is when it's melee magic >muh cultivation in ancient literature >but cultivation doesn't have levels >neither have Overlord >Overlord have levels
William Roberts
Are you fucking autists seriously debating this? To what end? Overlord is trash regardless.
Matthew Brooks
>[Fortress] >[Invulnerable Fortress] >[Divine Fortress] >MA doesn't have levels in Overlord
Retard, Martial Arts explicitly have ranks in Overlord.
>it is when it's melee magic So are you saying that unless it's melee magic in your specific series it literally doesn't count? For fuck's sake the MA in Overlord has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS IN GAMEPLAY. It uses a ''stat'' that has no representation, has effects that don't interact cleanly with the rest of the systems, and is acquired from something other than class levels. Martial arts is no more a game system in Overlord than Jircniv's hair being blonde is a game system.
Camden Peterson
>what is tome of battle
Colton Campbell
Martial arts by itself is not a game element, the gamefied way of learning and using martial arts is. Brainlet
Carson Gonzalez
When he talks about levels he's clearly talking about literal levels in actual classes that somehow grant martial arts, which we have no evidence for. Son Goku has like eight different tiers of shapeshifting magic and there's plenty of wuxia that have a dozen ranks of the same technique, that's not a game system.
A great system that explicitly has no basis in the actual MMO. Nobody speaks of martial arts as part of a game, Ainz has no knowledge of them in the sense of a game, everyone else just uses them as a natural part of the world.
Grayson Nelson
Don't you learn martial arts basically by training really hard? Hamsuke learns [Slash] essentially by swinging a sword all day long and can invoke it at the cost of some stamina, which in the end isn't really that gamey.
Isaac Thompson
Mushoku Tensei is going to save Isekai
Zachary Powell
>no basis in the actual MMO >Overlord is MMO >dnd character sheets >Alignment
The MMO outright fucking does not include ToB content, this is explicit, Ainz has never in his life seen martial arts being used before getting sucked into NW.
David Diaz
Someone must've brought it over from Yggdrasil and all fluff is real now, even shit from books. Like Book of The Dead Ainz gave to Fluder.
So between Sevens and Otome Mob, which would be the preferred adaption? The LN version of Sevens really does fix a lot of issues with the original work, namely with how the girls are detailed. Has the advantage of also being a straight fantasy, unlike Otome Mob which is a sci-fi mecha with the vaneer of fantasy. Mecha at this point is a dying genre.
The only good thing about Sevens is the post-levelling euphoria. The "women are really scary kek, harems are bad, lol" theme gets really underwhelming after a while. The story isn't really that great either, nor is the application. Otome Mob is okay, but I wouldn't consider it worth watching.
Owen Brooks
Not him, but "Martial Arts" did not exist in YGGDRASSIL. They are a New World invention, unless it somehow turns out that it was one of those things that existed in YGGDRASSIL but no one knew about like the superior summoning of the Goblin General's Horn.
Mason Ross
You're in a thread about Isekai, what you expect? It's bottom of the barrel pandering garbage. Basically the FPS of anime.
Josiah Mitchell
>ntr Get yourself checked, cuz boy you braindead.
Brandon Torres
>They are a New World invention [citation needed]
Gabriel Reed
>wants to fuck a girl >he's still a kid >helps other man impregnate her Disgusting cuckery.
Henry Perry
It didn't exist in YGGDRASSIL as far as Ainz or the other Nazarickians knew, and Ainz/Momonga was one of those from the guild that gathered information much more than other players did. And as I said it's possible that Martial Arts existed in YGGDRASSIL but Ainz/Momonga didn't knew about it, but there is no proof for that either, so I throw your words right back at you "[citation needed]".
Aiden Diaz
So no citation?
Levi Martinez
Neither did dragon magic, but it's already implied that dragon magic runs on souls/exp similarly to spells like Wish.
Cooper Edwards
>The only good thing about Sevens is the post-levelling euphoria. And the ancestors, they are the true stars of the story.
I enjoyed that it was a lot about responsibility, actually taking a practical view in regards to arranged marriages, and the troubles that each generation can face and that there will always be issues, especially related to the way the previous generation tried to fix theirs. There were a lot of interesting themes in it that you just don't see enough of. The tone of responsibility and problem solving especially.
Parker Phillips
>It's not YGGDRASIL, so what's the other choice? There is another choice, obviously, since runes from Earth work in New World.
Jacob Ward
>NTRfags don't die alone What did he mean by this?
But those levels are outside of the realm, is only to help US to see how strong they are.
Kevin Wilson
No they're not. Ainz literally checks his own stats and notes the amount of XP necessary to reach 101 level. He also calculated his HP and mana in a fight with Shalltear down to seconds.
Jose Flores
Is this FUNA? Does it lose direction after first dozen of chapters too?
Lucas Smith
Yes, also I have no idea, but I have faith.
But not with numbers, those were estimated, since there aren't any window.
>since there aren't any window. But there are, at least inside the guild.
Gavin Diaz
>average loli goes to magic school >meets friends and forms a team >fuck up and flees >goes to another magic school >meets friends and forms a team >2nd team is shit So...yeah, if loses direction
Nathan Carter
Of course. Starts with her going to school for nobles, then she runs away for a retarded reason, enrolls in adventurer school and afterwards it devolves into adventuring sol.
Noah Ramirez
>devolves into adventuring sol sounds good
Jacob Rivera
Jitsu wa has a weird as fuck style that I don't find attractive most of the time but then I see a super cute picture once in a while
Austin Butler
It was also not as funny as Yea Forums advertised it to be.
There's a lot of them, but they're all so shit everybody nobody wants to talk about them.
Ian Rodriguez
Eh, I think they aren't bad. Urban Maou Lolicell and Sleepy Feetfag are both quite good to read. There was also that one with the succubus shortstack who secretly rapes the MC in his sleep.
Eli Thomas
>Sleepy Feetfag >succubus shortstack I know these two but >Urban Maou Lolicell Is that the one from picrelated ?
James Hughes
Yes. Maou-sama no Machizukuri
Lincoln Gray
Were any of the other isekai authors bashing chinks on twitter in their teens?
Isn't that just the MC's character being an old dude and not the actual player? The player should be in his 30s at max, but his character was this ancient wizard geezer no?
Not really. They're all the same, gacha rolls (wtf), extreme luck, OP companions, a "smart" protagonist but their greatest sin is that they're simply not very interesting to read. You would think dungeon management would make for interesting stories, but apparently not.
Ayden Butler
>You would think dungeon management would make for interesting stories I'd think it makes for tedious stories unless kept short.
Luke Reed
My one complaint about this series is the amount of (real) time the author uses on filler. Like spending over a month on a card game the protagonist was watching and not even playing herself, or several weeks of curing valkyries of their hatred of tomatoes. You really don't want to spend several updates doing filler when you only update once a week anyway, with not really all that long of chapters.
Asher Ward
I actually don't mind this one, and it is different than generally most other isekais where her knowledge/powers/skills don't spiral out of control within the first couple of volumes and becomes an OP cheat character.
It's not really about books but rather her approach to making them; also, while she does think of wanting to eat rice like many other isekai protagonists, she comes up with western dishes in the context of that world's ingredients (e.g, parucakes, buttered potatoes)
Robert Hughes
>Maou-sama started That's wrong though.
Isaac Bell
>OP cheat character. I have come to accept these as long as the shit they pull actually reflects their power
