How well would these guys have done if they exchanged settings?

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>You don't just go and get involved with mexican drug cartels
No, but mexican drug cartels haven't attempted to slaughter people right in front of me. He new the details of impending danger to people he knew and cared about to some extant - which is very different than arbitrarily seeking out danger. And regardless, the first sentence of my reply stands: the bad stuff still would have happened, he just wouldn't have known about it.

Man its almlst as if you don't know that someone is lowkey mindcontrolling him and there is someone in the mansion manipulating is every move yet he somehow breaks off and fights against fate from time to time. Oops.

still a better story then how either of them turned out.

Kazuma is okay, if not for horrible normalfag shipping. I've no issue with choice of main love interest, it's just it shouldn't be up to fans to decide. Very cowardly move by the author.

I need to watch these shows someday. Is Subaru a good MC? Does he do anything relevant cause he seems like the useless type

>Is Subaru a good MC?
<
>Does he do anything relevant
He fucks shit up.
>useless type
That's generous.

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Imagine being this contrarian

He's interesting

Does Subaru keep his reincarnation power? If so, he probably dies enough in Axel to create a new monster like the Winter Shogun, but honestly levels his way to being worthy of heading to the capital. He'd get Emilia-tan weird over either Chris, Wiz or Darkness, depending on who he imprints on first. None of the girls would reciprocate, although Yunyun might end up being his Rem.

Kazuma either gets his fool ass killed immediately by popping off or rides his luck and general hardworking NEET nature into being a merchant of some repute. He stays far away from the Re:Zero plot unless Emilia or someone offers him a bunch of money. If he ends up around Rem and Ram, he will perv on one or both and get torn to pieces for it. He might fuck off to the not-Japan IF takes place in.

Not until what's covered in Season 2. He does cause a lot of shit to happen though, most of it to himself.

>Not until what's covered in Season 2
May as well say you only enjoy it ironically, your intent would be the same.

> He does cause a lot of shit to happen though, most of it to himself.
None of it was his doing other than the castle incident.

I just wanna know if he fights or does he stand around being useless while his teammates do all the work

His job is to find a way for him and those he likes to survive. He's weaker than everyone else but he does jump into danger/fights.

He does fight and he's not useless, but he is nearly useless in a fight. That is, he gets his ass kicked whenever he has to do any real fighting, so he has to contribute in other ways or by getting his ass kicked slowly enough to buy time. He's far from a spectator though.

He dies a lot. He rushes headlong into danger and gets killed for it. Dude's playing I Wanna Be The Guy: Isekai Edition.

>gets killed for the 7th time
>because he started the chain of completely preventable events while trying to be a justicefag

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Kek he sounds funny. I'll check it out

You have no idea what you're talking about.

To my taste he should be few extra squares to the right.

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Don't, it's shit
>obnoxious MC
>forced drama
>bland, shallow and undeveloped main love interest ZOMG TEH REI

Meh I'll watch and see for myself. People called okabe obnoxious but I really liked him too

>Subaru actually picks useful thing
>just enjoys his isekai as a generic overpowered mc, maybe a bit crazy like spear hero, but ts not even noticeable.

Kazuma has guaranteed save point too though. Aqua cannot die until demon lord is defeated.

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I just mean i'm pretty sure how Subhuman would turn out. Kazuma can go multiple ways.

>not hide and wait for things to blow over
Pretty sure Kuzuma can only go 1 way

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Subaru would've gone for Aqua, the superior choice.

Would he get a sense of deja vu if he met Megumin?

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>Re Zero
became a masterpiece
>Konosuba
Trash

Not when none of Takahashits characters sound alike.

Are you trying to insult her by saying she makes her characters sound different? Shouldn't that be the opposite of an insult to a voice actor?

Must be strange for you since there is a movie coming out for Konosuba.

It's nice to have range but you can't appreciate that range if every voice sounds like it comes from a completely different actor.

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Subaru has also died multiple times. But he doesnt act like a bitch and mind break when it happens

Kazuma*

read the wn filthy secondary

Why would I want to read that shit?

Subaru has made his own bed and slept in it
Kazuma would've probably done the same thing in Re:Zero world as he did in Konosuba: invent a lot of appliances from our world, sell the patents and then Neet around on interest money
Subaru would've probably diedin Konosuba's world after doing some dumb shit

such a utter mediocre shows, maybe exchanging them would reach new levels of low

Subaru would get to bang Aqua's sweet ass, whereas Kazuma would try to humor the "R" sisters.

Fuck this guy.

>Does he do anything relevant cause he seems like the useless type
As far as season 1, Subaru is the suffering type, which is the objectively superior type of MC.
He also creates his own suffering (and is called out on it) which places him above the usual bland MCs.

You really triggered the Konosubafags

They're incomparable, one is a parody, the other is a drama.

>but you can't appreciate that range if every voice sounds like it comes from a completely different actor.
Speak for yourself. You sound like some retard who waifus voice actresses.

Kazuma deserves all the weight of his Karma for being a scumbag

What was cowardly?

Kazuma in Re:Zero would just be isekai Groundhog Day. He'd spend centuries looking for exploits before even considering embarking on the main quest.

Doing a poll on who should win Kazumabowl and writing results into the novel.

When did that happen?

This. People in general have inherently shit taste so if I was an author and decided to do a poll I would write the exact opposite of what they voted for just to see retards cry about it.

I would watch that.

DOMO

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Damn... that just made me feel bad at the thought of Kazuma having to go through all that, but then I feel worse for Subarur for actually having to experience it, but I guess that's just how it is since many people want to experience a dark story and not all story can be happy slice of life kinds, so that means some characters must suffer Dispproporitanely and Suba is just one of them,

there was an official short story and manga about that exact scenario

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Well when Kazuma dies it isn't because he's locked in a loop where seemingly no matter what he'll do, the same events are going to repeat where everyone he knows and cares about dies a horrific death, or now realizes people he thought of as friends actually saw him as walking garbage and have no issue about killing him in cold blood, or that the world is going to end over and over again and it might be his fault, while he cannot confide in anyone about these thoughts because either he or them are going to get killed if he even makes the attempt.

When Kazuma dies it's the D&D equivalent of "The cleric's fee's coming out of your share of the loot, bitch."

>when title is so shit
>you have to constantly crossover it with better ones

Kazuma would have fucked Rem

>Subaru
>will power
*inhales*

>implying kazuma hasn't literally died multiple times
Did you not watch or read it at all? How do you not know this?

He's absolutely fucking terrible in the anime. Like he's more dogshit than the guy from SAO

Gave me a hearty kek

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Kazuma doesn't go back in time though, just basks in Eris presence for a bit until Aqua blackmails him out of afterlife.

He still experiences death though you autist, but unlike subaru he doesn't turn into a whiny bitch because of it

> Subaru
> Willpower
It doesn't take any willpower to go insane.

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He throws a tantrum everytime he dies.

I'm not even faggot you're arguing with, just pointed this out.
Also Aqua can't be killed until Demon Lord is defeated so anyone who matters to Kazuma has virtually free ticket back to life.
There's no resurrection in Re:Zero as far as I know.

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Dumb secondary

Not my fault adaptation is shit and failed to attract me into reading the novels.

I mean, subaru would too. But when he realized he wants to dick her she already became veggie

Kazuma would have abused the fuck out the time reset. He'd complain about needing to die every time, but see that the time reset is a fucking broken power and totally worth it.

Wouldn't time reset have anything to say about such blatant abuse?

Time reset is fueled by Emilia, so it'll do whatever conveniences her the most.

He chose best girl, just deal with it already. Anyway, Kazuma has done pretty damn well for himself. Considered a hero by anyone who doesn't really know him, multimillionaire, friends with nobles and royalty, friends with a goddess that bails him out if he gets wrecked, cute loli gf, and even the people around town that know he's a dick also like him in their own way. I only wish I had half the success Kazuma has had in like a year of being in fantasy Australia.

I am a meguminfag but honestly that is pathetic

Subaru is cringey in the real meaning of the word, like he does stuff that makes me embarrassed for him. Okabe is a weeb chad that can actually claim to be the mad scientist he says he is because he actually did invent a time machine.

She already had an advantage in the WN and the author has explicitly said she is his favorite character. This happened 3 years ago get over it faggots

Is everyone in this thread fucking retarded? Are you people unironically discussing how these two protags from an action thriller and a COMEDY would handle each other's respective settings and getting genuinely butthurt? Of course fucking Kazuma would get shit on constantly, that's the whole goddamn point of Re:zero. And naturally Subaru would have an easy time in a show designed around punchlines rather than suffering and adversity. I swear fucking underages ruined this board, turning a potentially fun thread into isekai MC wars.

And you just bumped it. You are part of the problem as well

Learn how to read. I have no problem with the concept of the thread, just children within it.

This is an interesting topic and I don't see the issue with discussing it. It is precisely because the characters are from two different genres that switching them would be interesting, especially putting Kazuma in the high-stress and high-stakes world of Re:Zero.

Personally, I think after he realizes that all the work he puts in keeps getting reset, he'll probably become a NEET in that world too and just wait for the inevitable time reset. He really doesn't get much done without someone kicking him in the pants.

>I need to watch these shows someday
No, you don't. Do you a favor and don't watch them.

Konosuba is a good comedy, watch it.

If you think just anyone can go through what he did and keep fighting you're fucking delusional.

The only force that keeps him moving is the boner he got from telling Rem to go pound sand.

Motivation is still motivation.

Is Subaru the ultimate pleb filter? I’ve never seen a MC cause so much butthurt

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The best part is that he's right most of the time. But since he can't prove shit it's driving him literally insane.

Fucking contrarians I swear to God. Just let him watch it and makes up his own goddamn mind.

>hurr durr why don't you shovel shit into your mouth like the rest of us, you filthy secondary

>invent a lot of appliances from our world, sell patents, Neet
Goddamn I need to get Isekai'd right fucking now!

Try recreating a patent right now without using the internet. You can’t

Kazuma is a hell of a lot smarter than Subaru, I can see him making the best out of the situation while trying his best to stay away from trouble.
He'd most likely just find a way to make lots of money and chill for the rest of his life.
Subaru wouldn't be able to scam Aqua and end up alone trying to form a normal party and dying in his first adventure.

I'm pretty sure he uses magic and fantasy materials for some of the stuff he makes. I think one of the latest volumes that came out in English mentions that he was making a type of superglue or something, but he was using materials he could get a hold of.

>Subaru wouldn't be able to scam Aqua and end up alone trying to form a normal party and dying in his first adventure.
I think if he started as a noob, Subaru might be able to become a decent "normal" adventurer. Not gonna take down any demon overlords, but he'd get by.

We all know you hate him, Stiyl

With the right motivation and opportunity it's possible

Holy fuck, I knew it was pandering to Megamemers, but that really pisses me off.

>action thriller
Subaru suffering are comical to watch because they are 100% deserved, he's like Aqua in that regard.

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Subaru becomes Aquas slave doing meaningless shit for her, still falls in love with her and gets killed before she gets tired of him.

Kazuma would NEET again at Emilias place.

>literally dying several times
Yeah except he doesn't suffer from the only negative thing about dying: being dead.
Isn't much of a big deal now isn't it?

Why do all re:zero fags act like it's suffering an edgy curse when he really just gut time travel powers for the price of some pain?
If i had a time machien that would break my arm each time i use i'd do backflips of happiness.

The majority of his suffering is cause by him not finding a convenient painless method of killing himself when needed.

Don't bother if you want to justify anything with the manga btw.

Its almost as if he's risking having points move almost at random. Also there is literally three IFs that answer your arguement and its all kinds of fucked up. But I guess using anything other than the anime would cause me to have an unsubstanced arguement foryou huh?

In fairness you're right, that did completely slip my mind. Even so, his deaths are fewer and there's way less trauma involved each time. He also doesn't have to deal with the pressure of not being able to vent about it and having everything around him reset.

Funny thing is I actually am a Konosubafag. I might even prefer it to Re:Zero, though I love both. It's just simple reality that Subaru is immediately willing to be a hard worker in his new life whereas Kazuma is exceptionally lazy.

>Subaru is immediately willing to be a hard worker in his new life
And throwing hissy fits when it's not appreciated the way he imagined it should be.

No, i believe you guys that the source material is better, would be pretty sad if not.
Just tired because every time i say something negative about this bad show people act act like a something i didn't read magically makes the show i just watched better.

it's just a boring conversation if it always falls back on "yeah the adaptation was really bad, the manga fixes every plothole and cringy bullshit", yet the show was succesful and people hype up season 2.

Feel free to invalidate my point about the convinient suicide method, since i'm pretty sure every writer would come up with an excuse sooner or later.

Doesn't change my point about that guy being stupid for implying that having the strength to die for something is still impressive if you get respawned every time.

>Not at all. That's not a thing he does
Use this on your eyes, apparently they serve no purpose.

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>Not at all. That's not a thing he does and I don't know what gave you that idea. Of course, even if he had that would be somewhat in-character, and it wouldn't erase the fact that he got off his ass of his own volition - even volunteering to do work rather than accept an empty reward.

I deleted the post and was about to replace it because I just realized what I said was stupid in the grand scheme. I was too focused on his choice to be a butler - which in fairness he didn't have any weird expectations about - but when it comes to the efforts put into saving people with his loops him having a breakdown over being underappreciated was a major plot point, yes. Still, it was a bit more than just whining about unappreciated efforts - the stress of his situation and the fact that he physically couldn't explain himself also played a role.

>And throwing hissy fits when it's not appreciated the way he imagined it should be.
What a way to trivialize things.

>sugarcoating entitled twat

>sugarcoating
Stating facts is now sugarcoating huh?
>entitled
What?
>twat
Faggot.

>went from trivialization to facts

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What the fuck are you babbling about you mongrel? I said that you were trivializing Subaru. That's the fact.

Not my fault he's an obnoxious little bitch in the anime.

He died at every action at least once per reset during his first encounter.

Yeah, but he didn't start in an adventurer town with a guild and class system in place for him to use. Axel Town is way friendlier to beginners than anything Subaru faced. It's true that he could encounter some thugs or a psychopath like in Re:Zero, but if he had the same series of encounters as Kazuma he'd be fine.

What a brainlet post, seriously. First of all, who are you to say that the experience of dying isn't incredibly traumatic? Perhaps it isn't, but how could you possibly know? Second of all, when people refer to him dying as traumatic they usually mean the pain associated with him dying - being gutted like a fish by Elsa, being cursed then hammered to death by Rem, getting frozen to the point where your body cracks and your limbs fall off. How about being eaten from the inside out by murder-rabbits? But I guess you're too tough to empathize with that.
Moreover, the very act of resetting time is a horror in itself, the series partly addresses it by bringing up the topic of multiverses, with RBD possibly shifting his consciousness to a different universe each time he resets. This would mean that everyone who died during his loops are still dead and the people he's with currently aren't the same as those from previous loops.
But you can go deeper than that, even if the multiverse thing turns out to be untrue and you're just resetting time. You might retain your memories and identity but everyone else die an existential death. Here's something to chew on: if a person has their timeline altered and life reset by 10 years, say from age 20 to age 10, would you consider them the same person? How about if they reset by a year? How about a week? Where's the line drawn? What happened to all the memories and experiences that accumulated into making them who they were? Where does it go? Nowhere, the person they were doesn't exist.

>walloftext
>defending Subarushit
Imagine the retardation.

What a great way to say you have no argument.

There is no need in arguments, MC is literally little bitch whining how others don't appreciate his heroic feats. Pathetic.

Did Subaru fuck your waifu to get you this seething?

...

>Kazuma is weaker and lacks the level of willpower Subaru has.
Kazuma dies regularly without being a pussy about it like Subaru.

Fuck me, Kazuma has Aqua by his side who can't die until Demon Lord is defeated.
So Kazuma and everyone that matter to him get a free, guaranteed resurrection.

>Dude parallel universes and time travel are really deep and philsophical
k

Subaru would be perfectly fine in Konosuba, he certainly wouldn't make the same move as Kazuma and ask for a useless goddess as his cheat. With a proper cheat it would pretty much become a normal isekai series for the guy.

Kazuma would also be fucked in Re:zero but less so than Subaru, Thing about Konosuba is that all the characters are pretty great at their specialized class and not much else. Likewise Kazuma is pretty much the perfect rogue and usually isn't trying to play the hero like Subaru. He'll probably die less and lay much lower even intentionally skipping dangerous events anyway (he'll probably just leave emilia to die for instance)

>Subaru higher than touma
NT9 was a lot worse than anything Subaru went through

I'd win

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Maybe the chart is older?

Win what? Depression?

Subaru lives a great life and Kazuma gets his shit sliced. The outcomes are pretty obvious.

Subaru would take Aqua shit literally and get killed off by first Demon General he encounters, cheat or not. And no resurrection this time.

No, he loves Emilia.

He loves Rem so everyone is up for grabs and Emilia is probably his waifu.

>Subaru would take Aqua shit literally
Subaru isn't into scat but he would probably fuck at least all of them except Megumin anyway. Subaru would also just make friends with the characters that are actually competent instead of fucking around with the same sluts all day while being extremely gay.

>Subaru would also just make friends with the characters that are actually competent
I can already see it working out perfectly.

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This. Kazuma unironically dies regularly, and it does not seem to bother him psychologically like Subaru, that alone would make him basically OP in that setting.
If he keeps that attitude, then he can basically brute force it, and he would probably abuse it to do naughty things and then just kill himself for fun.

Subaru also has a free guaranteed resurrection

>Subaru also has a free guaranteed resurrection
>change of setting
No, he gets to meet Aqua once, then he's off to fantasy Australia alone.
Kazuma gets checkpoint-based resurrection instead of him.

bitch please, that guy gets fucked in the head and then got saved by 100 lucky coincidences in a row, that lined up exactly in the way it took to resolve the situation.
Pic related would always win

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I meant his checkpoint-based resurrection.

I was under impression it's fueled by Emilia, who'd bother Kazuma in his stead. Don't know about Flugen having his own resurrection.

Subaru's a fucking omega and Kazuma is legit alpha.

youtube.com/watch?v=C_mzYUo0hnk

Subaru is in the isekai world of comedy and sluts so the fuck are you saying?

Subaru's attitude is justified but he's still an annoying little shit.

>It's nice to have range but you can't appreciate that range if every voice sounds like it comes from a completely different actor.
What the fuck am I reading?

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And Kazuma is lazy, spineless, and ungrateful faggot. This bitch is just worse in every way.

>lazy
You say that like it's a bad thing
>spineless
Compared to inferiority complex foot licker?
>ungrateful
For what? He's saddled with a bunch of retards and keeps getting revived after dying multiple times. The only thing going for him is his luck stat which he is completely aware of and takes full advantage of

Imagine STEAL Felix ´s opantsu.

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Kazuma is based, fuck off with muh heroism

>first half of the season
>hey this guy is pretty based, he learned he respawns constantly and yet rather than go some other direction he's determined to help this girl out face off against this assassin and dies multiple times in the process
>get's killed over and over in some rather brutal ways during his stay at the mansion, manages to overcome this and make friends of the people there including the girl killing him
then comes that entire fucking noble meeting, jesus fucking christ
did the author write himself into a corner? how the fuck do you go from willing to die repeatedly to fulfill your mission to, crying like a fucking baby
could of literally just killed himself to reset to before the entire ordeal and saved himself and his waifu all the trouble it got them into, fucking retarded that he's gone through so many deaths to reach this point then cry he's scared of dying, nigga you had a fucking backbone when you threw yourself off a cliff, where the fuck did that character go

meanwhile when the time comes for it, Kazuma does exactly that, jumps off a cliff to his death knowing he'll be revived so they can kill off their antagonist

What is this from?

Kazuma is gay so he wouldn't be interested in Felix.

just google the image name

on second thought. You don't want to spoil Madoka. Just watch Madoka right now without looking anything up.

>You say that like it's a bad thing
How is being a weak ass punk who uses other people to get shit done a good thing?

>Compared to inferiority complex foot licker?
Wasn't Subaru acting like that just to blend in instead of pussying out of every dangerous situation?

>The only thing going for him is his luck stat
>He's saddled with a bunch of retards
Oh lordy lord that's fucking funny. They might be retarded but 2 out of 3 of them are pretty useful in all of their endeavors while his bitch ass just takes the reward even if he is clever sometimes.

At least Subaru is grateful for his friends and their accomplishments while actually being competent.

>anime only
Get out

Now you're just telling stories. Fuck off fool.