I just saw this. Can someone explain to me what the fuck happened?
More specifically: why can Bebe and Sayaka access their witch forms if Ultimate Madoka supposedly prevented them to become witches on the first place? What is this new world that Homura has created, is it an illusion? Because it seems that Madoka still has her godly powers with her. And finally, what does the very end mean, when Homura is shown dancing in the night next to a beaten up Kyubey to a half moon?
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Just watch it again in a couple of days
b-but I need to know now senpai...
Because they were in Homura's dream, so the existence of witches was a contradiction to the real word and Homura realized it when she said "witches shouldn't exist in this world" and that's what made her doubt the world she was in. Homura's soul gem was 99% corrupted and when she finally succumbed to her grief and started to transform into a witch that's when the "real" Mami, Sayaka, Bebe, Kyoko and Madoka came to rescue her. Then the dream is shattered and back in the real world Godoka descends to take Homura to magical girl paradise but Homura splits Godoka apart, absorbs her power and uses it to create a world where all of them are happy. Madoka sacrificed herself to transform the cycle of magical girl -> witch to magical girl -> heaven. Homura ended the cycle once and for all.
This. There’s no point in trying to understand anything beyond the surface level plot on the first watch. Watch it again and pay close attention to the visuals and spoken lines.
Kino
Kino happened
Pure unadulterated kino, is what happened
One of the rare instances of kinography in anime.
idk
>Homura ended the cycle once and for all.
But it doesn't seem that way. It is implied that Madoka could still access her powers if she remembered she had them and that it would make her and Homura enemies.
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Got a good explanation from this.
Ai yo.
Well, unless we have a continuation, I'm guessing that they're all living happy in Homura's world and there's not more magical girl -> witch cycles. The whole point of Rebellion is that while the witches are gone, Homura is deeply crushed because her best friend disappeared forever. It's called Rebellion because Homura is the rebel. She rebelled against the world order that Madoka created.
I've seen this pop up a lot in my feed, but I never watched it because of the title. Maybe I should.
Yeah, same was happening to me and I didn't like the title too. But my friend recommended me to it and I actually found the video enjoyable and fascinating.
Madoka and her crew existed outside of the timelines. They had memories of the past timelines and they had access to their witch powers from past timelines.
Basically Madoka was God so she could see every timeline and knew what happened in all of them. And she chose to take Sayaka and others out of their timelines to work with her as part of her Law of Cycles enforcement team.
Obligatory
>tfw dumb
Do you have a question, user?
>why can Bebe and Sayaka access their witch forms if Ultimate Madoka supposedly prevented them to become witches on the first place?
They are already dead/witches, their existence is a paradox since madoka wish "technically" didn't create another timeline but modified the existing once. They are schrodinger's witches. Also, they may or may not be actually dead by banishment of law of circles since they may have succumbed to despair. Thus they are "part" of the law of circles, are outside of conventional time/space.
The incubator's barrier "allowed" witches. That was the whole point. Most of the movie trascurres inside Homura's witch barrier. That is inside the incubator's barrier.
>What is this new world that Homura has created, is it an illusion?
Unclear, seems to be real world modified.
>And finally, what does the very end mean, when Homura is shown dancing in the night next to a beaten up Kyubey to a half moon?
user, that is like the most packed scene of the whole movie.
Lets start:
-The nutcracker reference, like most of the movie. Everything is a reference. The dancing mostly, because muh ballet adaptation.
-Homura is now in control of the whole system/world. That is the incubator half dead in the ground.
-The moon represents Madoka, Madoka split into two. divine/mundane, celestial/terrestrial, pink haired girl/law of cycles.
-Homura dances beneath the moon, because she wants to be with madoka, but can't.
-There is only one chair becouse Homura can't be with madoka, not only madoka is separated in two and Homura can't be with the two parts but Homura can bring herself to really be with Madoka becouse she felt that be doing all this shit she betrayed her. She betrayed Madoka's wish. But she did it because of her own wish, it is homuhomu's nature to do such thing, it can't be helped.
-In the pilot of the sequel of whatever, apart from mami wank, we can see that Homura watches Madoka dance and claps. There is deliberate distance between the two, and a contrast with the scene at the end of rebellion.
Someone explain this scene.
What's the point of the flashback? Why is Homura holding Moemura at gunpoint? Why is Moemura the one getting saved by Madoka?
>flashback
>Why is Moemura the one getting saved by Madoka?
Geez, I wonder user.
Madoka's dialogue makes it pretty clear, no?
You should really just rewatched it. This time I’d pay extra special attention to the garden scene. That scene throws a lot of first time waters for a loop and a lot of the time it’s gone completely over the heads of people.
Viewers*
It’s*
>Why is Moemura the one getting saved by Madoka?
What's wrong with the question? Moemura was usually used to symbolize Homura's weakness. Moemura was the one being protected by Madoka, in contrast to the usual Homura protecting Madoka. Homura holding Moemura at gunpoint seems to me like Homura trying to kill her weakness and hesitation. So when Moemura is the one getting dragged back by Madoka, it's almost as if Homura is accepting her weakness. Which seems odd, considering this is pretty much the scene where Homura swallows her hesitation before the Ai yo.
Holy fucking shit. This dumbass has no idea what he’s talking about. This is why I never watch these YouTube kids try and explain one of the sixty three other series they’re trying to make money on because they come up with the dumbest shit and nobody takes the time to tell them they’re completely wrong. The Colorful Intro itself completely shits on this entire speculation about Homura’s character.
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I know this scene is kind of iconic because of the death but I’ve always loved when Mami fights the little witches right before. It’s such a cool and underrated moment in the series. You see how glamorous she makes the entire magical girl thing seem to Madoka and Sayaka and it fits so well.
Seems to me it's about pulling Homura back from her intended suicide.
This thread has me watching parts of Rebellion again and I still can't get over how much visual brilliance the movie has. I want to post and gush about different scenes but fuck that, here's Homura smushing Kyubey's dumb face.
Hey! He’s not dumb!
If he wasn't dumb, why did he try to experiment with human emotions as an energy source? Checkmate, atheists.
This actually explains things pretty well in a simplistic kind of way. I like it.
Because it was the only thing that produced more energy than it took and the universe was on the line.
I'm sure they find that thought very comforting.
The movie does not present everything in the most clear of ways, but at its core the character motivations are not terribly complex.
What's the Butcher doing these days? Is he still playing with his fucking puppets?
Believe me, I know the rabbit hole to this anime goes very deep. Those are just some important points that get missed by people.
"Hey, this shit is popular, lets make more money off of it!"
Is what happened.
>Those are just some important points that get missed by people.
Indeed. It's rare to see an infographic on such a topic that's so straightforward and lacking bias.
It’s symbolic for her leaving the past behind and moving forward. You realize after this point THAT scene happens right? Homura knows she can never go back. Things can never be like they were after what she’s about to do. Even as her and Madoka fight together seconds later and are about to destory the incubators and the illusion world she’s preparing for what she’s about to do.
Madoka
>Homura, you’re not afraid?
Homura
>no, I’m fine
>I won’t hesitate any longer
She wasn’t talking about destoying the incubators.
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This ost is literally named (Take your Hands)
98% of people don’t catch things like this but it’s scattered throughout the entire damn series. This. Show. Is. Fucking. Deep. I tell you guys this all the time.
homu homu
2/2
You notice it’s supposed to be a happy song but it’s not. It’s a very very sad song that plays while Madoka and Homura seemingly overcome everything and win. It seems as though they’ve finally figured everything out and are about to go forward towards a happy future but this song foreshadows everything about what’s actually going on here.
>he doesn't get rebellion
It’s the greatest story ever told.
At that point Homura is trying to kill herself rather than let herself be used by the Incubators to trap Madoka. The scene with Madoka falling over and turning into pink tang is also an image of Homura's immense guilt for allowing Madoka to sacrifice herself, with the images of her "younger", softer self that originally set off on her quest judging and shaming her for her failure
>he thinks there is anything more than fanservice to make off money of otaku
You don’t understand anything.
Because there is nothing to understand.
90% of rebellion is basically "Lets look at what fans want and put that in a movie".
You guys notice how Mami Broke the tea cup and Kyoko threw an apple away into the river at the end of Rebellion?
Try watching it.
>inb4 I have
You haven’t.
This changes everything!
How do I read this?
Maybe you should watch it with your eyes, not your ass.
You’re a sad man ACK.
Pretty much.
Yet they created an ending that divided the whole fanbase. But no everything leading up to that was just fanservice without any meaning
Thanks for the explanation, user. This was actually helpful.
Madoka Magica is one of my favorite animes of all time and I just got to watch Rebellion. The movie was pure eye candy but I still can't make up my mind on whether I like this new ending or not until I can fully understand what happened, since the original was so good. I get Homuras intentions but what I have trouble understanding is what was the outcome of her ripping part of Madoka apart from Godoka. Is the law of cycles non-existent? Is she now the anti-Madoka? Why did she mention she might become enemies with Madoka? Why is Kyubey shown beaten at the end? Does this symbolize that the Incubators have no power in Homura's new world? So many questions...
I'll probably be watching it this weekend again but now I'll have in mind everyone's answers. Thank you guys!
Top to bottom. Left to right.
I can see how somebody can glance over Mami breaking the teacup but Kyoko throwing the apple into the river should have immediately raised some suspicions.
>Yet they created an ending that divided the whole fanbase.
Which exactly why you should think they didn't consider the message of the movie to be that important.
They just wanted to make money, damn the consequences.
i disagree, to me it was more like 30% or so.
Bebe was fucking dumb. But its still a pretty good movie imo.
Bebe was needed. You do realize if they didn’t make Bebe into a human girl in Rebellion it would have been a HUGE ass plot hole right? They kept her screen time to an absolute minimum to focus on the main characters. This is just a case of you not understanding what the hell is going on.
Rebellion actually makes complete sense and Urobuchi wouldn’t have agreed to it if it was just a half assed attempt at making money.
>to me it was more like 30% or so
Then you weren't active in Madoka community at the time.
90% of the movie looks like producers just looked at online forums like 2ch and Yea Forums and said "Great, lets put that in the movie".
>Urobuchi wouldn’t have agreed to it
Sorry, but that is not how business works. Urobuchi had to do as he had a contract. And it is clear Urobuchi distanced himself from the franchise after Rebellion. And he clearly predicted shitstorm that Rebellion will create.
Urobuchi has no such contract to make Rebellion after Madoka idiot. Also he said he was very much happy with the ending to Rebellion and thought it should end there. He didn’t distance himself from Rebellion because he was ashamed of it. I don’t know where the hell you got that idea. This isn’t fucking Anno who can’t stand his own fans and hates his anime he creates.
why was she needed at all? she was a completely one-dimensional character that could have been removed entirely. All she did was point Homura towards QB, which was pretty fucking obvious anyways.
Sure, I get that she gave Mami a friend for the dream world they'd been trapped in, but its not like that role couldn't had been filled with the main cast, all of whom have memories of friendship with her in some time or another. So again there is nothing she adds to they story.
And i do still like the movie a lot.
Are you the guy that just watched Madoka for the first time? I honestly feel like I’m talking to somebody with minimal knowledge about this series.*
i kept up with it when it originally aired, its one of my favorites to this day.
But it has problems like pretty much anything else.
Nice apologetics there, user.
But the evidence is clear.
Urobuchi clearly wants nothing to do with Madoka after Rebellion.
He’s just baiting.
no kidding just look at the shitty game, good for him. Better to quit while he's ahead.
The game actually has better animation in the cutscenes that most modern and old anime do altogether. It’s actually really good.
How does it feel knowing that Homura’s world is better than Madoka’s in every way?
>everyone is alive and healthy
>nobody is erased from existence
>no witches, consistent with Madoka’s wish
>Madoka is saved, consistent with Homura’s wish
Homura did what Madoka couldn’t.
Yea, because she said himself it’s a good ending to the series. He likes the ending and thinks everything after Rebellion should be left up to the imagination of the audience. There’s interviews and shit of him saying how much he enjoyed working on the show. The entire making of Rebellion could probably be an anime itself when you actually start reading into it. It’s a complete labor of love. You’re out here trying to make this anime seem forced and lifeless like its VEG or some shit when in fact it’s the complete opposite. This is legit probably the single greatest anime series on earth right now. Nobody is ashamed of it.*
Urobuchi actually said Rebellion was the most fun he’d ever had working on a project.
Of course he is not going to say the product he worked on and was paid for was shit.
>It’s a complete labor of love.
No.
The series is.
The Rebellion is labor of money.
Shinbo and the producer wanted to make sequel not after liking the story, but seeing it's popularity and knowing it will sell. And Urobuchi was against it at first.
Now you’re just getting desperate. You’re arguing against the words of the people who worked on the show itself. I used to think you actually cared about this series but obviously you’re just a fake. You’re literally the biggest sellout of all the tripfags Madoka has even had in these threads.
Thanks for your opinion anyways.
>I just saw this. Can someone explain to me what the fuck happened?
Homura is trash
Fanservice happened.
t. Didn’t watch the series
>inb4 I did
You didn’t.
Real talk, I disagree with you on every front and you're a baiting nigger. That being said, even if Rebellion actually was a fanservice cashgrab and Urobuchi hates it, it doesn't matter; because it's a wonderful movie and a great ending for the series.
>yuritards
Wasn't that Homura doing some weird shit in both accounts?
Breaking the tea cup, and having her familiars ask Kyouko for an apple, only to refuse her?
I can't wait until the MagiReco anime airs and we have threads discussing its story, themes and characters just like this.
Sarcasm
but user, what if it actually turns out good?
After following the story from day one, I don't have much hope unless they get the Butcher in to seriously edit the Gacha game's storyline.
>something is shit
>it is not shit because I like it
Okay, user.
Whatever makes you sleep at night.
>the universe was on the line
I'm sure whoever is alive 10^100 years from now will be thankful for that!
I just started playing a couple days ago, so I don't know the details yet, but from what I've seen in the /PMMM/ threads it sounds like a ridiculous clusterfuck with a few interesting ideas that could be salvageable.
>something is not shit
>it's shit because I don't like it
Come on now
Most satisfying part of the movie.
rewatching now because of this thread
Is Homura's monologue at the beginning (and taking into account she "was waiting for this moment) insinuating that she planned to hijack the incubators experiment to rip Madoka from the Law of the Cycle?
if Rebellion is all keikaku doori,
is 'endlessly repeating' simply referring the cycle of despair that every magical girl is part of or to an eternal war between demon Homura and the Law? or to both?
>get the Butcher in
Better not. This was it will be easier to pretend it doesn't exist.
>was
way*
Homura is responsible for:
>betraying Madoka, her hope, and her love
>enslaving all life in the universe
>tormenting her friends who not moments before risked their lives to save her
>jeopardizing the stability of the world
>destroying Madoka's afterlife
>brainwashing Madoka to keep her in a cage
>shitposting on Yea Forums
She has become evil incarnate and must be stopped at any cost.
In her position I would've done far worse things. Far be it from me to condemn her
It’s okay because she’s hot
Homura’s universe contains no witches and frees Magical Girls from their final fate of suffering, just like Madoka’s universe. The people in her world are all free to live a peaceful and happy life. They’re not enslaved to anything. Furthermore the new lives of her friends are all consistent with their original wishes.
Homura is 100% right. She was so ruthlessly logical and objectively correct that even Kyubey learned to feel fear.
She's a spindly 14 year old Asian child, user
What's the downside then? That Homura must suffer eternally?
Implied nothing, Homu's world Madoka starts transforming back into Madokami until Homura gives her a cooldown hug. And Homura outright states that last part when she hands Madoka back the red ribbons.
Yes. She can never be with Madoka in her universe. As shown by the post-credits scene.
She is in her 20s if you count the timeloops.
>magical girls just seek to exist once their time is up
Why not just remove their curses?
She's talking about herself, the endless recurrence of her wish that separated her from Madoka. Going Slurry Krahe breaks that cycle, except it doesn't, because now there's an even greater gap between them.
She was waiting for the loops to end, either through salvation (Act I), death (Act II), or AI YO (Act III).
Eh, it's more that Homura has violated her friendwife and become the antithesis to her God.
One of the things that makes Rebellion so hard to parse is we are tightly locked into Homu's point of view and she is a crazy psycho lesbian who hates herself. The movie gets wilder the more her psyche unravels, ending with a world where everyone but her (and Coobie) is happy but shit's super weird. She also turns into a Witch, which fucks with your head really badly (see: Mami in Different Story).
Not her bod though
That makes it even better
Why the hell is she so attractive then?
Because you're a kiddy diddler
It exists and it is bringing Madoka back.
You mean these threads have any other purposes to them other than seeing what happens when SayaHomu is posted?
Homura is a good girl who deserves love and eternal salvation.
Where the Gachabros at?
Kids are gross though
I want to fuck the devil
Then why is this one so sexy?
Magical Girl of the Day: Ikumi Makino
-One of the minions of the main villains in the game
-Was faceless before she was released
-She used to dream of being a Volleyball player until she swapped dreams with her friend. Now she aims towards becoming a Idol
-But she wasn't that good so instead she takes small steps at a maid cafe
-When the rent of the Maid Cafe almost ended she made a wish for it continuing existing indefinitely.
-Her Idol persona is extremely forced cuteness and people think it's outdated to the point she's called BBA (Baba).
-Don't call her BBA.
-BBA can also mean 'Bokura no Besuto Aidoru'
-Her friend also made a wish to become a Magical Girl so at one point they fought together
-This led to her finding out about the truth and thus she and her friend joined Magius for some kind of salvation from their fates
-She came to oppose and work against Magius from the inside
-Helped Shizuku escape along with Ryou
-Her Magical Girl costume is a maid just like her working costume.
-She's 19
-Voiced by Hina Kino, who is currently the mascot of the Precure series
-Drawn by Ryo Ueda
-Has two doppels. Sylvie and whatever the noose thing is.
>19
Damn, how old do megucas get? Does their power decline with age? Where the magical MILFs at?
General question (small blog): Do Anons (and others) actually view these characters as small as their are canonically? For example, I really started liking a 14 year old character that is relatively petite (~145-150cm, similar to Madoka), making her almost tiny compared to me. But I always imagined in my mind that she is about one head smaller than me, because it's what I would prefer. Which I assumed to be the case without actually knowing the canon height. And there was never a male my size as reference. Yet still she seemed to already have decently attractive and well-shaped thighs and everything. Moreso when being around characters of similar height. But then, afterwards, when taller characters were introduced, they seemed... huge. Like an 18 year old girl that is more than one head taller than the character I assumed to be a head smaller than me. But then, canonically, the 18 year old girl is half a head smaller than me. And her thighs were... huge relative to the 14 year old petite girl which already had fat thighs. It all seemed super dissonant in my mind, because she was both smaller and taller than me. And this dissonance really turned me off the 18 year old. Otherwise the 18 year old girl (and the "adult anime shape") might never have started being this unattractive. So do others actually obey the canon height of the characters they like? Or do they have some idealized (maybe taller) version?
The oldest Megucas in the game currently are all 19, for some reason.
Cleopatra historically died in her 40s so there's your Magical MILF.
>Madoka grabbing Homura's butt
What did they mean by this?
Question of the decade.
>She can never be with Madoka in her universe.
There's nothing that would physically prevent her. I believe that Madoka's love can get through the wall that Homura built, eventually.
Unfortunately I'm a measly 5ft9 so I've never experienced this issue since most adult female characters are only a few inches shorter and the younger ones are a head shorter. If anything I imagine myself to be too tall sometimes lmao.
Just watched this tonight.
That would have been pretty good if it had ended about 30 minutes earlier. Anime movies should expand on the ending of their respective series, not replace them.
>tfw 6'1
>tfw waifu is 4'9"
f-fuck you
>tfw will never be able to tower over my waifu
I don't like that desu.
>Is the law of cycles non-existent?
The LoC is still active. Homura split Madoka in half, leaving the LoC active and the human Madoka to live her life.
>Why did she mention she might become enemies with Madoka?
Madoka's wish and Homura's wish are opposite. Madoka wished to sacrifice her life for the greater good, while Homura wished to save Madoka with her own hands.
>Why is Kyubey shown beaten at the end? Does this symbolize that the Incubators have no power in Homura's new world?
Yes, probably. It also seems that Kyubey's race is starting to feel emotions. There's clearly a hint of despair in his eyes.
I've wondered about this too. However, I don't think it has much to do with preference. For example, I'm the same height as Madoka's father, and I didn't imagine any of the girls being that much shorter than me, despite preferring them that way after thinking about their actual height.
>Madoka's wish and Homura's wish are opposite. Madoka wished to sacrifice her life for the greater good, while Homura wished to save Madoka with her own hands.
This is only partially true. Madoka had two wishes, each contradicting the other. One was to become the salvation for megucas, the other was to stay with her loved ones. Homura had no choice but to betray one or the other. It is this contradiction that drove Homura to the mental state she's in at the end of Rebellion.
Holy shit Hitomi is a giant
Homura was a cunt and Madoka will punish her in the next movie, that's all you need to know.
H-hidoi
>Madoka will punish her in the next movie
People keep saying this, but how will she do this? She definitely doesn't want to kill or even cause pain to Homura.
Don't argue with shitposters.
She will tickle Homura until she begs for forgiveness.
Homura doesn't love Madoka.
By creating a new world where she will NTR Homura with another magical girl every single day.
How many times a day does Homu masturbate to Madoka?
0. Homura's love is non-sexual.
Are you new to anime?
Not him but not everyone watches every entry-level show.
I’m a Sayaka fan.
The series is decent, but Rebellion is great. People who have the series as one of their all-time favorite but think Rebellion is bad are beyond retarded.
Wrong.
Threadly reminder that mami >>>>>> homura
Nope.
Yes
Nobody cares about powerlevels. But if we're going that way, Homura post Rebellion shits on Mami.
Ummm.. no.
Of course, yes!
How many extra years do you guys think the Madoks in the last timeline would have bought the universe?
Let’s go with absolutely not.
Too bad it requires mindraping everyone into believing it's the perfect world.
The answer is clearly Yes!
It's love, I ain't gotta explain shit.
I hope that OP was able to notice this post.
That's only because mortal Madoka is missing half of her memories. Madoka made her decision to save everyone after knowing the truth. The one that wants to stay with everyone is ignorant of everything, which is what Homura used to suppress Madoka from becoming Godoka in the end.
Using non-anime reaction disqualifies you.
So the final answer is yes.
Madoka was forced to make that decision by the circumstances so that she could save everyone. Knowing the truth and experiencing all those horrible events didn't suddenly make her a person that was okay with leaving everyone forever. She still wanted to stay with her loved ones, and Homura gave her that.
I get never ending do overs.
And where does it say that?
The result is still Yes.
It’s no. It’s always been no.
Why does she bully homu
Did you guys know that Kyoko Sakura is a fucking babe? She’s a total babe!
It is a Yes.
Oops, I forgot. It’s no.
But both are the real Madoka. Rebellion even explicitly makes this clear. Leaving everybody behind is, for Madoka, something unbearably painful. Yet, Madoka has the courage to make the decision anyway. Homura is completely aware of this.
I forgot nothing.
Still Yes, clear as a day!
You did and it’s no.
I just remembered, and it is Yes.
It took a lot of clicks up this chain to find out what you fags were disagreeing about.
You said you never forgot. It’s no.
I never forgot and I also remembered.
The obvious answer is Yes.
God damn boys, I don’t mean to brag but if I ever found myself under a missoetoe with Kyoko Sakura I’d kiss her so hard that she’d fall in love.
The only obvious answer is Rebellion is the most successful anime movies of all time. It’s easily a no.
>The only obvious answer is Rebellion is the most successful anime movies of all time.
Now we know you are retarded and should not listen to your bullshit.
And the absolutely final answer is Yes.
You’re not even a Madoka fan. Try watching the series because anybody who has would agree it’s no.
I'm a Madoka follower!
It is you who should repent!
And she would agree that the answer is Yes.
What the hell kind of Madoka follower would wish her to suffer for all eternity. You’re not a follower, you don’t even understand this series. It’s a no.
You fool!
Madoka understood that fighting demons and death were reasonable payments for having your wish granted. And that good and evil will balance out! Madoka's world gives everyone a chance!
Homura's world is twisted and unbalanced. It will fail sooner or later! It is world where everyone was bound to Homura's will.
Homura said death would be kinder than Madoka’s fate. I realize your tiny brain can’t even slightly imagine what Madoka scarified and what she paid but it wasn’t just. Homura literally saved everything. Rebellion although not the perfect way for Homura to go about things is a million billion times better than letting Madoka suffer that fate.
It’s kind of sad. Madoka and Homura must sacrifice themselves in order for the other to live a normal happy life. Homura fights for Madoka and Modoka fights for all magical girls. They must keep outdoing each other to stay ahead. In other words they are destined to fight for all eternity in order to keep the universe afloat even though they’re best friends. It’s a sad destiny.
So if Homura stops fighting then Madoka is doomed and if Madoka stops then all magical girls are.
Except Homura literally made Madoka's wish redundant.
Doesn’t matter. It really doesn’t. This new fate they’re trapped in is probably the best thing for the universe as it stands. Madoka’s wish was a fate worse than death. It’s a damn good thing Homura made it redundant.
I'm not disagreeing about any of that. I disagreed about them having to fight each other. That's simply not true.
>that time when madoka was possessed
>mfw rebellion
It is.
Did she, you know
No the purpose of her suffering is that she has become the very thing Madoka swore to destroy, and Madoka because she's God will eventually regain her memories and fight back, so they're constantly fighting and resetting the Universe.
Nice argument, faggot.
It was just one big plot hole of a movie
>she has become the very thing Madoka swore to destroy
But Homura's not a witch.
Imagine misunderstanding the movie this badly. Not a single statement in your post is true. Forget your retarded headcanon and go watch the movie 5 more times.
>No the purpose of her suffering is that she has become the very thing Madoka swore to destroy
No, refer to >Madoka because she's God will eventually regain her memories
Far from certain.
>fight back
Dumb headcanon.
>so they're constantly fighting and resetting the Universe.
Dumb headcanon.
What?
Rape Moemura? No, she was stopped by Homura's ghost friend
Homura supposed to be evil. Otherwise it's your headcanon.
She’s not and that stupid YouTube review you got that from is completely wrong.
>listening to youtubers
>not forming your own opinion through repeated rewatches and endless discussion on Yea Forums
He's a lost cause, user.
>Madoka had two wishes, each contradicting the other.
Well fix it then.
Homura you stupid edgy cunt, you pull universe-rewriting god powers out of your ass and this is the solution you came up with? Madoka has two bodies now, one which is living a happy life with everyone and the other which handles the whole Law of Cycle stuff, and shares experiences between both. There, done, problem solved, I made that up just now, this is so easy.
Fucking fuck. I hate movies like this, that decide the ending of the series their based on wasn't good enough and add on their own bullshit. It's arrogant as fuck and never, ever works out. The show''s ending was satisfying, this was so incredibly not.
Low IQ post.
I'm mad and sad shut up.
Is a doppel better than a normal magical girl? Can somebody blue pill me on doppels?
Red pill*
I feel opposite, show ending left me empty, Rebellion satisfied me
No, blue pill was fitting.
I thought she was asking if she was afraid because after breaking out she would be dead.
Me on the left eating
>Does their power decline with age
Not necessarily, but 2 of the older characters have declining powers.
PMMM is inherently flawed because of one thing. If either Homura or Madoka had known what would result of their wishes, they would have never become magical girls in the first place.
This inevitably makes their character developments feel shallow. Nothing is the result of their choices. They were both pushed into a corner by the circumstances of their surrounding.
That is, for the series at least. That's why Homura's decision in Rebellion is brilliant, and makes it shine over the TV series.
Why would kyubs target people that had foresight? Little girls are the easiest targets because delusions and immaturity.
Nothing wrong with Kyubey. It's an inherent problem like I said. That's why I'm glad Rebellion happened.
She wasn’t.
They were actually never forced to do anything. Everything that happens to them is because of choices they’ve made. Madoka didn’t need to contract and Homura didn’t either. Neither did Sayaka or Kyoko. The only one who got kind of caught out was Mami.
Homura would still have made a wish and thrown away her life for Madoka's sake even if she knew the full consequences of making a contract.
Homura was at the point in her life where she was too desperate not to save Madoka. Madoka was the only thing she had.
Madoka knew the implications of her wish in episode 12 and she made it anyways.
I just wanted her to be happy. Was that to much to ask?
The ending is intentionally left ambiguous. Be more optimistic, user.
She gets a happy ending in Magia Record
Hype
Anyone who has hype for this is in for a world of disappointment.
I'm looking forward to the threads at least
Prancing around and giggling like a broken doll and I'm supposed to be optimistic? Impossible.
A canon one? I don't think I believe you.
Nope, she’s a girl.
Magia Record ends with Walpurgis getting Spirit Bombed (Not kidding) and Madoka is alive and well. Homu's basically won.
Homura is cutter when suffering.
>gachashit "plot"
>A canon one? I don't think I believe you.
Have we ever seen the superior version of Homura not suffering? You could be right, but there's not enough evidence to decide that.
It's a non-canon sequel. Don't bother thinking about it too much.
If Rebellion is non-canon, does that mean MagiReco is canon?
Guys, I just want to see Madoka and Homura animated again, together.
Is it too much to ask? I miss them.
I miss them all
Soon™
youtu.be
The art is going to be amazing regardless.
Can't wait for all the Dragon ball memes.
It goes against her nature.
Yeah, I know of MagiReco's anime adaptation. Too bad it's been months since the last update about the anime
The thread goes to shit whenever this single gachashitter shows up. Literally ACK 2.0 autistic fuck.
Just read the wraith arc
Even though she may be a fake you will understand and sympathize with Homura's love way more after doing it
Ignore the part where the plot isn't good
That's an overexaggeration. He has an autism but he's not that bad.
Wraith Arc does nothing but make Rebellion look worse, and it isn't needed for Rebellion to make sense.
It's not canon, either.
>the finale of Gacha record is literally dbz and the bad guys were all didnu nuffings and become good guys
And people used to defend the plot of the game, lmao.
Every single time the gachanigger shows up, he starts spamming his gacha garbage no one cares about. There's a fucking board where he can discuss his gambling addiction with other mentally ill people without shitting up the discussion threads.
So what happens when the MagiReco anime airs and you can't ignore the Gacha any longer?
>the bad guys were all didnu nuffings and become good guys
Actually some died and others are going to trial and be executed
Why couldn't I ignore it any longer, you autistic fuck? Don't you want to get a tripcode so I can no longer see your mentally retarded shitposts?
>some died
Only Alina did
>Trial to be executed
It goes nowhere
Damn user
Why are you so butthurt?
I don't care.
I'm mad because I come to these threads hoping to discuss my favorite anime, but every thread gets shitted up by one of the two autists. Gachashitter, unlike ACK, seems to be at least lucid enough for my insults to reach his cerebrum.
Lad. Your insults are reaching my brain and just makes me want to Reco post even harder.
Problems aside I still think the Reco story is great. Also who wants me to dump MagiRepo?
Homu literally had to be carried by other girls.
Pretty sure there is more than one person discussing the Gacha here but uh believe what you must.
Also can't wait for SayuSayu.
I ( ) am not the same person as the autist.
>Madokami can't interact with the universe
>lol nevermind she can now
Gachashit storytelling at its peak
>haven't played the game
>tries to judge the story
Gacha is fixing what Rebellion (not canon anymore btw) ruined. Embrace the new and better Madoka or stay bitter.
Eh I like it. Divine Intervention is nice.
Here here.
>you haven't played it!
But I do? Can't take people joking about your favorite game, cuck?
The problem is that it's a massive fucking plothole. The writers are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
Gachabros are taking over!
>not recognizing such an obvious troll
stop replying
Then you didn't even understand the message of the ending.
Yeah, I love DBZ too.
>hurr durr everyone who enjoys gacha must be a troll!
It's false world of Homura
It's how she entraps god half of Madoka
It doesn't make any sense and it's not meant to. It's just a souless cashgrab by Shinbo. Urobutcher had lesser involvement. That's why you get shit like Nagisa who has no role except sell merch, Sayaka coming back and ruining everything again, and witch/girl hybrids.
Kyouko
She doesn’t need an entire god damn box. She basically lives in Tokyo. It’s more convenient to buy smaller packs because she’s always so close to the store and she travels a lot.
Kyoko is indeed a cute that must be protected.
What would you do with Nagisa? Bebe was in the movie so remember that.
leave her alone and let her enjoy her pocky whichever way she sees fit ok
Holy fucking shit this made me realize the meaning of the ending credits scene. I feel so dumb but that's a really smart move.
Your silver garden?
wish I could put my large-sized pocky stick in her mouth
>large sized
POCKY'D.COM
In terms of actual attractiveness it probably goes Sayaka, Mami, Kyoko, Madoka and then Homura. Homu is more of a cool character.
I assumed he meant post-credits scene.
This is bait.
Either that or you're a baka Sayakafag.
W-What's going on
delet this
I’m attracted to Mami.
We all are.
Mami needs to be loved
She loves fat old men.
She had no fucking readon to be in the movie. She had no link to Mami or special role to fullfill. At least Sayaka had a connection to Madoka and Homura. Bebe/Nagisa was there to pander to brainlet fans who like to pair Mami and Charlotte. Shinbo is a hack.
what is the meaning of this?
5 times, but her dick starts hurting after 3
>More specifically: why can Bebe and Sayaka access their witch forms if Ultimate Madoka supposedly prevented them to become witches on the first place?
Ultimate Madoka allowed that for fanservice
>There's a Madoka Gacha
Sometimes I'm thankful I live under a mountain and don't know of the horrors the outside world brings.
Does Madokami know how much seed Homura spills to her?
The gameplay isn't bad. It seems pretty popular.
Unfortunately yes
It's some FGO skin with a bunch of OCs. The shit japs love to eat up.
That's milk, right?
No, you are still not quite there, user. Watch it again.
It actually does, unironically.
>That's milk, right?
Sure. Try some.
I'm watching gameplay videos now and it's turn based, but because it's Gacha I can already guess that the gameplay is designed to be "never ending" as the whole point is to pull in the microtransactions. I don't hate Gacha's per se, but I hate the business model and mentality behind the games.
>The shit japs love to eat up.
Sounds exactly like I'd expect.
Have you realized that hopes and dreams and the future are just a selfish story of a faraway garden?
It seems like it would get old after a while but honestly I'm just really enjoying listening to Madoka talk to me when I'm on the home screen, as pathetic as that sounds.
>we'll never get a meguca action game by Itsuno
This sucks.
Will we ever get an anime as unironically kino as this again?
Realistically, no. An anime sequel to Rebellion has a remote possiblity of being amazing but I honestly cannot imagine how.
If even one good Madoka game existed I could die happy
Homura > Sayaka > Kyoko > Mami > Madoka
The game is actually pretty fun once you play it.
More realistically, yes. A few shows already come reasonably close, and you would only expect the medium to get better over time when technology progresses and people learn new techniques and get new ideas. A lot of skill went into making Madoka which is why it continues to stand out even today, but it's not impossible to top it.
FGO doesn't make positioning important. Reco is better.
Nothing that came after Madoka has struck me like it did. What shows are close in your opinion?
Only after you try mine, devil slut.
In my opinion, Monogatari and Sora no Woto come the closest.
Fun Fact: You can actually roll for a Monster Girl in Reco now who is herself recycled froma Virtual Youtuber design. She calls herself Hiiragi Sakurako.
Can anyone help me understand the Leitmotiff of "Not Yet"? It's very clearly Homura's leitmotiff from the very beginning as it plays during Homura's introduction at the very beginning and during the scene where Homura uses her time stop when fighting the nightmare. It's in a lot of the music tracks for the movie but I can't really put a concrete meaning behind it but judging by how it kinda morphs throughout the movie it has to mean something beyond being Homura's theme.
Do any of the other gatari shows return to Bake's style of mysterious magic mumbo jumbo? I'm not really into harem stuff so I got bored with later seasons.
Well, what do you mean by mysterious magic mumbo jumbo? It does explore the lore of the universe even deeper as it progresses.
Definitely at least watch Kizu if you haven't yet.
Rebellion is the perfect ending for the franchise and there is no need for a sequel.
Any sequel will be automatically shit and noncanon.
The monster stuff of each girl and meme's explanations. Guess I might as well check Kizu out then.
I'm not sure what kind of meaning you're looking to ascribe to it. It goes through different mixes as the movie progresses, each time reflecting the plot and tone. However, I don't think it's the same kind of explicit symbolism as THE RED SPIDER LILY REPRESENTS THE SEPARATION OF HOMURA AND MADOKA
Does Madoka drink her Homu's seed every morning?
I don't think it's very explicit either but I just have a gut feeling that's there's more to it then just being her theme. I might just go a catalog all the songs that have hints of Not Yet in them and pay attention for anytime they play during the movie
"Not Yet", is actually "Mada dame yo"
wiki.puella-magi.net
which actually means "Not Yet".
compare:
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You want a concrete meaning for THAT?
It's too much stuff and far too subtle to get a concrete meaning. If I had to sum it up with one sentence it would be "everything.", the best thing I can do is point to a few partial meanings that I myself noticed. So let's go over the lyrics.
I dream of the morning
>there's more to it then just being her theme
Like what?
This is Madoka, the songs are not just songs.
That doesn't answer my question.
But this does
I remember watching a YouTube video of Trey Parker giving a lecture on storytelling, and he uses all these words. Is this a reference to that lecture, or was he just recycling an older meme?
But didn't seem to ask for a lyrical analysis at all, it talks about its capacity as a leitmotif.
Words like "but" and "so"?
Clearly Mada dame yo is the leitmotif of Homura's fake world in which almost the entirety of the movie takes place, which is why they play it all the time. It gets more and more sinister throughout the movie, as they learn more and more about how fucked up the world is.
well, I am not an expert on music, but the song has lyrics, and whenever the motif plays it is usually a commentary on those lyrics like an inversion of them or a reaffirmation.
Like, you can play the same passage in a different intonation and express a different view on the lyrics of the motif, I am sorry I can't put my finger on how exactly that happens in Rebellion.
If you are interested I could explain how it works on FF13-2s leitmotif, as it happens to work in a very similar way and I am familiar with it.
Mada dame yo is the leitmotif of the entire movie.
>If you are interested I could explain how it works on FF13-2s leitmotif, as it happens to work in a very similar way and I am familiar with it.
Go for it.
If anyone wants a status update on what the hell is happening in Magia Record Iroha and her gang spirit bomb Walpurgis with Madokami's help and everyone was saved because of Iroha's bullshit revival magic except for Alina who'll probably come back later as punished Alina.
Ok sure.
So here you have 4 versions of the same theme.
1. One hopefull:
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2. One Sad:
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3. One Tragic (with lyrics):
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4. And one in the ending credits, you have to skip to 5:05:
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In FF13-2 it goes like this(Spoilers):
The first song plays in the main menu and it symbolizes the main theme of our protagonist, it's her ambition to save the world and her sister.
The second song comes into play when the characters realize the larger scale of things and the tragedy of the world and their situation, but they still want to go on.
The third song comes into play when the character realizes that she herself might be doomed and is close to giving up, but then reminds herself of why she wants to go on and of her conviction. That is what the lyrics are about.
Note that a song without lyrics is a reference to those lyrics.
The same things can mean different things in different contexts and intonations.
The best example of that would be the 4th song:
The game ends with a complete disaster, the protagonist is killed and the bad guy wins, but before she dies she says that she has no regrets to have walked the way she did and knew she would die like that from the beginning(don't ask).
The song is surprisingly extremely hopeful and calm.
And now compare the part of 3. where the lyrics say at 1:30, "memories, help me walk my path, I'll keep my head up high..."
And in 4. the same part at 6:00, it's the same melody, but it lead to doom, so it's changed to something "now I became a memory, but keep your head up high, I have no regrets".
The point is that music carries the meta references of everything it is played at and the lyrics all versions of it had.
The more I see about Magia Reco the more I start thinking that the Jews are unironically behind it.
Madoka holds the potential to save western civilization because unironically it could resynthezise the metanarrative. And I am not even joking here.
But they can't allow it to happen, so they try to subvert it at every turn.
Isn't this a simple story? I cant understand anymore scenes
No, that pic is not correct.
If you want to write it more correctly it would be:
-inf => -inf + 1 => +inf
I thought Homura took over the real world
Devimura took over the entire universe.
So.. why did Kyubey grant Madoka's wish to basically fuck over Kyubeys plans?
He has to accept all contracts
Ah okay thanks. Kind of a shit rule to have to work with but hey, tis the risk one must run for cheap electricity I suppose
why?
>not canon anymore btw
Citation needed.
I'm fairly sure we got a scene of her "witch" (or not-witch?) barrier surrounding the universe from the outside. So yeah, she probably took over the real world, if it can still be called that.
Don't fall for obvious bait.
Oh...
homura made the real world fake, but does it really matter?
What is real?
Haven't you realized, that something like the truth, only exists in the past?
Hopes and dreams and the future are all just a selfish story of a distant garden.
But no one really knows.
Jews can be Magical Girls too and fight for justice in fact one day they might just expand on Anne's story in MagiReco
No they won't, because it would draw too much attention to (((their))) involvement.
Switch Homura and Sayaka. Homura is designed to be 10/10 attractive. Long flowing hair, diamond pattern tights, wonderful everything, feminine as fuck. Sayaka has a goofy face, short hair, weirdly tall body, is always angry, but sword + cape is cool.
I only want Snaa
Too bad Serah had the personality of a shoe. Game was alright at leat.
My headcanon is that QBs are an AI hivemind minions, because "incubator" seems more like a role than a species or civilization.
I downloaded her voice lines so I'm no longer forced to play the game to hear her voice.
Caius is basically Homura... to an alarming degree
Madoka>Homura>Mami>Kyouko>Sayaka
But it really doesn't matter to me. It's really just Madoka>everyone else
No wonder he was the best character. But yeah, you are right. Toriyama really is a hack.
Madoka is cute, but not really attractive. 10/10 personality though, would bow to the goddess.
This. I would definitely steal her lunch.
Madokami > all
I would strike you down.
I live to bully cute girls.
>Madoka makes herself more attractive as a goddess
I don't blame her. Though I kinda have the suspicion that Madokami is how she might have looked when she gets older
What a meanie.
>not really attractive
She's very attractive. Just not in a "sexually provocative" kind of way. Her vibe isn't the traditional "sexy" kind.
I see her as iyashikei incarnate.
That is cute to me.
>pic related
>not really really attractive
Imagine being this blind. Heck I'm not even talking about her goddess form.
Stop posting Kyoko don't you have a Sayaka to take care of?
That's pretty cute. Are you dumb?
Agreed. And this is how Madoka mama will look in Rebellion sequel epilogue, I think
I fucking love the hair, the tights and heels.
What would a Rebellion sequel even be about?
Megucas IN SPACE
Madoka vs Homura, duh.
I LOVE Rebellion. Yes it has its flaws but its ambitions were mostly met and it provided a really imaginative, magical, and emotional journey, thrills included.
The big question, and its main point of criticism, is whether the writing holds up, and if the movie really adds to the TV series or takes away from it.
Personally, I feel Rebellion is a pretty perfect way of continuing the TV series. As for the entertainment aspect, it was great on that too especially as you were confused throughout just as much as Homura, but when the dream faded it was quite heartwrenching. I love how Homura has 1 on 1 time with each of the girls in the first half, each interaction being wildly different. It's very dream-like.
Of course, the art and animation are great, and the music is one of Kajiura's best OSTs IMO.
Anyway I wanted to post because I wanted to share what I thought was a really well done analysis diving deeper into the ideas and philosophies presented and explored in Rebellion and how it adds to the TV series. It's a LONG read, but it brought up a lot of interesting things, such as inspirations Urobuchi likely got ideas from (and may even be trying to reference). If you like Rebellion a lot, I think it's really worth the read.
Homura and Madoka's make-out scenes
To the Stars is a prequel though
>2 to 3 hours of everybody talking about feelings with some whacky Shaft backgrounds and effects
I'd watch it.
Madoka will probably be the protagonist again
I think the gist will be Homura will progressively makes worse and worse decisions as she grows more paranoid, and eventually Madoka is forced to try and stop her. It'll probably end on a happy note rather than a bittersweet one like the other two endings were.
>It'll probably end on a happy note rather than a bittersweet one like the other two endings were.
Hope is the beginning of despair, user.
We've already had a lot of despair. the endings have been getting progressively happier, anyways.
Madoka is worst girl, uninteresting, bland, boring
Mami/Kyoko/Homura vs Sayaka/cake witch/Madoka
One side believing that the false reality they are in in better than old one and other trying to save the world or something
It ends with Homura committing suicide by Madoka in a way that she can't be grabbed by God Madoka
>Madoka
>Anyone dying
If someone were to die, They'd just get revived in the ending.
Watch it Mami
Will Trump be in the sequel?
Yes. Madoka realizes something is off in Homura's new world because Hillary is president.
Dumb Madokafag
Okay, who's the best girl then faggot?
Fixed
Would "Homura's World" on the left be her witch barrier inside her soul gem? If so, the Madoka is also in there, unless she's represented by "main characters"
The reason why most of the magical girls we see are young girls is because most of them don't survive for more than a few years at most. That being said, whether a girls' powers decline with age seems to be different for each girl, Mifuyu's powers are getting weaker but Yachiyo is a strong as ever, although Yachiyo's Doppel is fused to her body when she uses it because as an older girl her emotions are less volatile or something.
Madoka was never the protagonist.
Madoka is the protagonist the first time you watch the show.
At least admit that you are shilling your own article, user.
No one here on this site will believe that it is not your own, and people will be more likely to read or watch your shit if you say it up front.
>Bebe
>not believing that the new world is better
its really a feat to not understand even the first thing about Rebellion
>Implying Hameru wouldn't elect trump
>missing the strong hints of protectionism in Madoka
user, QB is basically Hillery(Globalism), and Homura and Madoka made magical girls great again. Literally.
touché
Only someone who doesn't know what a protagonist is would say this.
Yep, you are right. I forgot it
Fixed again
Homora's full blown megaliberalesbianism upon becoming die Uberhexe would cloud her judgment and make her elect a woman president
No, it wouldn't.
To think that her judgment is clouded and that the fact that Hitlery is a woman changes anything or that Homura would fall so low to care about something like that shows that you don't understand Madoka.
define it then, faggot. Lets see
The character who doesn't wear a bikini.
Don't even try arguing with me buddy, I have a degree in the greatest science, sociology, which means I understand Madoka and everything else more than you ever could. Trust me when I say HomoHomo is a big beluga faggot
Where does MagiReco fit in here?
The fact that you claim that you understand Madoka is proof beyond any doubt that you don't understand it.
at last i truly see
but they all wear bikinis
lmao
Yes they will because Anne Frank Magical Girl deserves to have her story told like other Japanese Magical girls.
She will probably be BBB.
Canon alternate universe.
Iroha's Army saves the day.
Someone already announced that he is going to shoot up the place if this happens, so they should be careful
alright, nobody canonize GachaReco or the meguca gets it
Rehauled.
>Homura/LoC
Homura is not the LoC.
She contains its power in her earring.
I do not care. She is completely independent of it, unlike Madoka.
Containing a thing is not independence of a thing.
>containing thing in a physical object that you wear makes you that thing
Are your clothes you?
Into the toilet.
Other way around. My clothes are a part of me.
Actually, I did make a mistake.
Whatever you say, pal.
Something something
Madoka is dying from full soul gem
Homura kills herself
The entirety of a person comprises many things, including their body, their possessions, their memories, their experiences, their actions, and their capabilities. Madoka has existed with and without containing the Law of Cycles, and those affect the nature of her existence. The same can be said of Homura.
No, it can't. It's not the same thing.
The only difference lies in Madoka's non-physicality and Homura's physicality, and that Homura has additional powers. Homura's existence, particularly as a magical devil-god, encompasses a lot more than the contents of her fleshbag.
Posessing an object containing power does not mean that person and that power are the same, or that the power is part of that person.
Madoka and the LoC were parts of one another.
Homura posesses and object that contains power, and through her reality-warping powers, she can modify that power.
It's not the same.
Here’s your Madoka ‘sequel’ bro.
Homura getting beat up by Sayaka.
It never gets old
can we have a SoL spin off with cute yuri subtext and just lots of drinking tea sessions, homura joining a club and stuff like that
based gachachads win again
A gun does not have the power to kill a person from 100 meters away. A person wielding a gun has the power to kill a person from 100 meters away.
Your distinction between "A posses B" and "B is part of A" is purely semantic. The statements are equivalent. The Law of Cycles is the magical law that destroys magical girls as they before they become witches and preserves their data. Madoka contains that law, among other things, such as memories, feelings, and desires. Madoka being a non-physical container does not matter compared to Homura being a physical container.
>"Madoka and the LoC were parts of one another."
This logically implies equivalence.
If A is part of B and B is part of A then necessarily A = B.
That's what I am saying, dummy. Madoka and the LoC were parts of one another, while Homura and the LoC are not parts of one another.
The gun is not part of the person.
Nobody cares what gaijin thinks.
Healing and Homu finally losing her V card since she's getting to bang Dokes
Don’t pretend Aniplex will shove magireco into the PMMM canon like they already did, fucking the lore all around for maximum shekel profit.
Which is false. Madoka is not (not Madoka) when she lacks the Law of Cycles. The Law of Cycles is not (not the magical law that destroys magical girls as they before they become witches and preserves their data) because it lacks Madoka.
Define "person".
They'll do what will make them money.
The nature of their situations are different.
Being one and the same as something and posessing something are different situations.
I do not think it is accurate to illustarte the LoC and Homura as "Homura/LoC" when you did the same thing for Madoka. It implies both of their relationships to the LoC is exactly the same.
I'll say it again. Madoka and the LoC are the same entity, whild Homura possesses the entity known as the LoC.
>My clothes are a part of me.
This is dumbest thing I've ever heard. Nobody thinks like this.
>everyone expects a Rebellion sequel
>to everyone's disappointment, it's actually a cute SoL CGDCT spin-off
>Madoka is the protagonist
>Homura is just a minor side character with few background appearances
>Homurafags seething
>midway the POV switches to Homura
>turns out that it actually IS a direct sequel to Rebellion
>Madoka's love eventually gets through to Homura, who finally reconciles with her own self
>everyone lives happily ever after in a yuri paradise
>Madoka is not (not Madoka) when she lacks the Law of Cycles. The Law of Cycles is not (not the magical law that destroys magical girls as they before they become witches and preserves their data) because it lacks Madoka
My statement did not imply that at all.
My liver is a part of me. If I remove my liver, and hold it in my and, I posess it, but it is no longer part of me.
>discount Homo
>discount Kyoko
>cute green womanlet
>best grill?
>HomuMado's lovechild :^)
Am I wrong gachakeks?
Magical Girl of the Day: Ryo Midori
-One of the initially faceless minions of the villains
-Comes from Daito
-Attends Minagi Freedom School. Said a lot of stuff but no-one believed her possibly because she's from Daito, the poor neighbourhood.
-Saw someone got bullied by a rich honor student from Mizuna but her word didn't count for anything so she was inspired to take up photography so she can always have proofs
-It wasn't enough though as when a old lady got ran over she couldn't take a photo of the car plate because she was frozen in shock
-Out of guilt she made a wish with Kyubey to not miss a chance to take a perfect photo
-What this does mean is that she can always take scandalous shots like a couple running away, bullying and so on
-But this helped her catch the bad guy who ran that old lady over.
-Joined Magius for a chance of salvation
-Helped Shizuku escape the cult when she joined
-Part of a news club.
-Voiced by Maki Kawase
-Illustrated by Ryou Nagi
Iroha is Madoka's clone. She's actually nothing like Homura beyond wanting to save someone she cares about.
>discount Kyoko
What?
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Read about how happy Minoringo is to join the Madoka franchise as Sakurako in MagiReco.
Pretty sure by "discount Homo" he didn't mean the pink whore.
By Homumado lovechild, he meant Iroha.
Mind breaking Homura, fuck the happy ending fags.
Homura Tamura anime when
This is an argument about perspective, not semantics. It's purely subjective and speculative, so you two will never, ever come to an agreement.
However, it just so happens that your perspective is absolutely baffling.
Meiyu, Ria-sama and Natsuki can handle that.
Why does physical location of a possession relative to your meat sack define whether or not that possession is part of you? Part of you does not equal part of your body because your body does not equal you.
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Yuka Ootsubo Magical Girl soon. Are you ready Yea Forums?
From that logic, either everything is part of you or nothing is part of you. That's completely illogical.
The problem with a sequel to Rebellion is that
a) if it has an unambiguously happy ending, it will discount everything
b) if the ending is unambiguously unhappy, it will unnecessarily leave a bitter taste
b) if the ending is ambiguous then what's the point
Simply put, I'm not sure Rebellion should have a sequel
>implying the characters haven't earned a final, happy ending through all the trials they went through
how retarded can you be?
I'm not sure you are even serious at this point.
MagiReco is the happy ending.
I am sure it shouldn't have one.
If you think it is possible to make a sequel to that, then you simply don't get the metanarrative.
I never implied that. They certainly did. But from a narrative perspective such an ending doesn't make sense. I'd rather stick with the ambiguously happy ending of Rebellion.
I don't know what's wrong with what I said in that post.
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I need a quick rundown to know if it's worth reading
>Is it worth reading
No.
The only spinoff worth reading Is A Different Story
>the ambiguously happy ending of Rebellion
Homura is miserable and everything's going to be ruined once Madoka remembers who/what she is. Everyone besides Homura's doing alright, but it isn't going to last. How's that happy at all?
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Sana Witch.
Goddamnit
Thank you
>I'd rather stick with the ambiguously happy ending of Rebellion.
It's bittersweet, but it's a much happier ending than the original series' ending.
>I didn't understand Rebellion the post.
Your post speaks much more about yourself than about the ending itself.
Yes. It is worth reading.
It shouldn't be baffling to argue from the perspective that a person is not their body.
No, because degree is important. Your body is in a constant state of molecular flux. Your mitochondria don't have your DNA. Your gut bacteria keep you alive. The whole point is to use conceptual categories rather than physical ones, such as possessions- while they themselves may be physical, the state of possession is more conceptual. Same goes for things like memories, feelings, interactions, relationships and so on. The things I emphasize are those in which conscious decisions are influential.
Think about your logic: if a transplanted organ is a part of me, is so too a piece of embedded shrapnel? Why would there be a distinction between a cochlear implant versus a hearing aid in terms of being a part of me? A pacemaker versus a prosthetic limb? What if your brain was cut out and put in a jar and given a neural link to control the body? What if the body was destroyed and replaced with a clone? An android? What if the contents of your brain existed on a hard drive rather than a slab of meat?
And this very show deals with these kinds of blurring of lines of identities-- magical girls are just meat puppets operated by sentient jewelry.
Here is a thought:
There are no happy endings.
After every ending, you could add the following sentence:
"And then a bit of time passed and then they all died, and then their descendants died, and then the stars died and the universe returned to nothing. And everything was meaningless"
But there is one exception to this rule: Rebellion.
Rebellion ends with Homura winning a tiny moment of happiness for Madoka and her friends against a world where it was never meant to be. And fully acknowledges the fact that it WILL return to nothing like everything is. Homura won a moment of perfect happiness from the world.
(Faust deal with the devil was that if the devil showed him a moment of perfect happiness, where he would like to freeze the world in time, he would lose his soul). Well, Homura's world IS that moment of perfect happiness, that is why everything moves in slow motion at the end - as if it was almost frozen in time.
It is nither bittersweet or unhappy.
It is absolutely gloriously triumphant.
It is with a huge margin the happiest type of ending in fiction - period.
And if you can't see that, then that is YOUR problem, your own perspective is then narrow and native and you need to adopt a more universal point of view.
And if someone went and desecrated - yes, DESECRATED that with a generic happy ending, then it just would be a tragedy for human achievement on the same scale as if someone went a scribbled on the Monalisa. It would be, oh yea, and they got to be friends in school again, ha ha ha, haha, but what about when they grow up?
Oh right, don't think about it! And many many many more problems.
Rebellion addresses that problem for example, "The doorway to adulthood is closed to them firmly, chance at life now gone...".
I am going to stop ranting now, but the way you are talking just shows that you are trying to mess with something so far beyond your understanding that you can't even imagine.
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Oriko is worth a read, it's only 3 volumes. It's a decent counter to Homura's story. It came out around the same time as the anime.
Different Story was not good.
Your opinion is wrong.
>generic happy ending
How about a not generic happy ending? Maybe everyone is alive and nobody is a concept/devil/god whatever, but there could be other problems, like the relatioship between Madoka and Homura has a bit of baggage now and a bit strained, even if they're still friends. I'm not asking for bubblegum and sunshine, I'm asking for it not to be buckets of despair like the other two endings.
>not bittersweet
Then what is bittersweet to you? Bittersweet is a mix of good and bad, just like Rebellion's ending.
>And fully acknowledges the fact that it WILL return to nothing like everything is
She doesn't. She only says that she will continue to fight for a world where Madoka can be happy. And what happens on the very real chance that she wins that fight? A short lived victory, perhaps, but one that buys time, and with that time, a chance to fight again, and the cycle continues. Homura has created a chance for eternity.
>and then the stars died and the universe returned to nothing
And isn't that exactly what Homura mitigated by enslaving the Incubators?
Homura hasn't achieved a final victory, and she never will, but what she has created is a chance to keep winning forever, and the creation of that chance that should be impossible is what makes her triumph so great.
Again, your own post says more about yourself than about the endings.
You are talking like someone who never had an existential crisis in their life, you probably don't even comprehend the concept of existential nihilism, please read some Nietzsche or something before trying to understand Rebellion.
Eva is bittersweet,
Lain is bittersweet,
Mawaru Penguindrum is bittersweet.
Madoka series is bittersweet.
Rebellion is triumphantly glorious.
I agree with everything said here.
I would even go so far as to edit my original post, I left the part about eternity out because it would be even more confusing to newfags.
Rebellion be like:
I literally pulled god from heaven and forced my will onto existence
The ending of Rebellion reads like the ending of the Book of Revelation, where Jesus defeats all evil and the world becomes the kingdom of God.
THAT is how Rebellion ends.
And you call it bittersweet?
AND to top it all of - Homura sacrificed none of her friends to archive it.
She went and did it herself.
You know you just need to look at the metaphors:
The holy grail.
The Zarathustrian sunrise.
A moment frozen for eternity.
There is nothing that could even be imagined that would be more triumphant than that.
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Eroha did everything right.
They would never do that to Homu
To see that MagiReco is shit you only need to see the opening
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It is as obvious as day and night
How can some people be so blind?
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>you only need to see the opening
It looks great already. I see nothing wrong. TrySail is amazing.
The only way Homura could be happy would involve Madoka bearing some measure of suffering beyond her life post-Rebellion. The issue is Homura's refusal to permit that.
That is the opening of the gacha game you faggot.
Regard this as a warning.
I've seen the gacha game opening multiple times. In fact. I play it.
Can't wait for the multi threads and the wild ride
hint: futa
There are fundamentally different classes of endings:
Bittersweet endings,
Happy endings,
Tragic endings,
Open endings,
etc,
and then there are triumphant endings, examples would be:
The book of revelation (Jesus defeats all evil).
The divine comedy (Dante sees and understands the true secret to god)
2001 a space Odysee (the astronaut transcends existence and becomes a star child)
Thus spoke Zarathustra (Zarathustra finally encounters the lion who is the Übermensch he seeks)
And most of all - toping all of them - Rebellion.
It can't even be described how epic it is
Happy family sticks togheter
My point was that the only way Homura could both maintain her eternal triumph and receive happiness in the form of Madoka's love is to reevaluate her parameters of triumph (Madoka's happiness). She would have to accept Madoka taking on part of the burden for the sake of eternal triumph, which is something she is utterly against currently.
Madoka would need to give up trying to bear the suffering, and Homura's suffering is brought about by her self-hatred, rather than something external. Homura needs to learn to love herself. Then there would be peace and happiness.
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We already settled that. Homura does not hate herself.
You lost that argument, though
No, we won that argument.
You even conceded that Homura does not really hate herself when we asked you to put it on a scale from one to 10
Objectively false.
I did not, and the scale was arbitrary bullshit that the person who posted it changed when it stopped fitting his argument.
>Homura isn't self loathing
Retard confirmed. It should be fucking obvious to anyone who isn't delusional.
1 to 10, give me a number.
A normal person is a 3.
9 is Shinji.
10 is killing yourself.
Homura is a 5 or 6.
You lost. You got destroyed by some user masterfully explaining Homura juggling contradictory morals. I'd post it again to humiliate you since I saved it, but I'm not on my computer.
I'm not falling for that shit, user.
I know the exact post that you mean.
But you did not understand the post you are talking about.
He was talking about how Homura is evil but evil and bad are not the same thing.
it went something like this:
Madoka is not good, but good is Madoka.
And therefore it is evil to oppose her.
But evil is not the same as bad.
>I remembered how I lost last time now...
>I-I just won't answer maybe people won't notice
Don't try that shit.
The guy who posted it clarified what he meant to you, and he said it was to illustrate why Homura hated herself. Shes trying to juggle two morals where fulfilling one means failing the other, so she perpetually thinks she's a piece of shit.
Homura has to deal with two contradicting morals at the end of Rebellion, but that is
a) only one facet of it. Because I could very well make the case that Homura understood that Madoka needs to be protected even against her own wish, in the flower scene.
b) don't you see that this is irrational? If you actively recognize a contradiction, then why would you hate yourself over it.
The user only explained that Homura has to deal with those two moral purposes but it does not follow that she would hate herself. AT ALL.
Thank Dog Homu gets the ending she deserves in MagiReco.
Just because you can't relate with someone doesn't mean they don't feel a certain way.
No. It doesn't. But if it's illogical and there is no hint that it might be the case, besides an illogical argument that does not follow, THEN it means that they don't feel a certain way.
Did you forget the parts where Homura goes on wailing about defiling Madoka's wish?
You mean BEFORE the flower scene?
Doesn't matter.
The fact that Homura believes Madoka's altruistic actions were morally right and pure doesn't change when Homura decides to help her, which ruins that.
Tell me, why would Homura stop trying to befriend Madoka if she thought Madoka would hate her for defiling her wish? Why would Homura come to such an irrational conclusion? Is it because she doesn't give herself any credit? Perhaps because she thinks of herself badly?
