LoGH

>implying Muller and Mecklinger aren't BASED

>tfw OVAs will never come back

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Same, I just finished it. I'm gonna need a break from anime fuck fuck fuck.

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I binged it late last year and had the exact same feeling when I finished it. It's at the top of my list of shows that I wish I could watch again for the first time. is the best answer. Find someone who's watched the whole thing, pour yourself a nice drink and relax while discussing your favorite characters, their motivations and the nature of democracy vs. autocracy. LotGH are always the comfiest conversations.

rose of versailles is better

I’m halfway through rov and if this is true then logh must be shit. I’m just sick of the generic villains in rov that all want the same things and act the same way. and the queen is a helpless child. I’m just waiting for the revolution to start

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In my subconscious' case, by spending the entire week after I finished watching the show dreaming a continuation to the story. Sadly the dreams stopped before the little tyrant had outgrown his infancy, but I still woke up every morning sadder than ever that in reality it was all over.

I love RoV, but it doesn't compare to LoGH outside of the last few episodes.

The anime adaptation was made to be more episodic in nature. I have to admit that the beginning is mostly a bore whether in manga or in anime.

more episodic with a very small scope of plot. there are a quite a few characters to use but there are hardly any more than 2 plot lines going at the same time. the king has barely made any appearances, he’s just an apathetic hikki according to the japs.

Why do LoGHfags always act like this is a big part of the show? It's part of the conflict, particularly between Yang and Reinhard, but it's not actually prominent. There are about two or three episodes worth of content about governance of any kind, and the rest of the show is space battles.

>generic villains
they are REAL villains from the time period though

I think they mean the cheesy style of it. The "I will get you next time" -type.

????
no villains in ROV are like that though, everyone who is "evil" are literally just members of the french court.

The duke is literally behind every little thing like a generic villain though.

it's been a few years since I watched it, but I legitimately hardly even remember that character at all, so clearly he did not make a lasting impression on me.

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Why is he so cute bros?

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You wish

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He is childish and got the bishonen looks

Theyre both cute in their own ways

I hope this is sarcasm. I can understand duBarry or Orleans being real but definitely not Jeanne or Poignac. do you really think those two could actually get away with half the shit they did? the nobility was not so retarded in real life

>Jeanne or Poignac
those were literally BOTH real people, and the necklace incident was fucking legit dude and actually a very significant event. read some french history.

It is though. Several major characters in the show embodies different ideals/realities/perspectives of politics.
>Reinhard, Yang, Obersteinn, Reuenthal, Mariendorf (to a lesser degree) and of course Job Truniht
Through these characters, the series queries the content of the show. They aren't badasses there to deliver cool one liners such as "dogs eat dog food"

No, several different characters have different opinions and talk about them. And the narrator tells you about them.
But it doesn't matter in the show, because the show is about commanding space navies, not about governing anything. There's a little of it once Reinhard takes over, and some in the history of the galaxy video. But that's about it.

The most obvious difference between autocracy and democracy is the relevance of public opinion in the latter. But it hardly comes up. Trunicht effortlessly manipulates public opinion off-screen to get what he wants, and everyone loves Reinhard so he does nothing unpopular anyway.

I feel depressed everyday.

By taking a long long break from animu

I disagree with you completely, user

>Why do LoGHfags always act like this is a big part of the show?
Because it's an enormous part of the show compared to the standard for anime. It's virtually unheard of for an anime to have two sides where you can make a philosophical case for either side to be correct, so it doesn't need to do much of that to stand out.

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You're conflating "mattering" with "being about". The fact the show isn't expressly about the act of governing through such systems doesn't mean the ideological divide between them isn't relevant to the show. Yes it's not relevant in the literal actions being taken most of the time, but it's extremely relevant to why the characters act the way they do.

By your logic Yang letting go of the opportunity to kill Reinhard because he was told by the government not to do it "has nothing to do with the merits of democracy".

LOGH is based, but the hype for it is pretty ridiculous. It excels at one form of storytelling (even then things can feel awfully one dimensional at times, especially in the novels) but it's not the medium's highest point at all. Just one among many greats

Reckless consumption of other series to fill the void.

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I cried after episode 82 and in the final few minutes of 110. It was just so sad to see it go and it was legit emotional and impactful.

I was kind of bummed out that Oberstein sacrificed himself in the final episode. I think it would have made for a more interesting ending, but as of the final episode every morally grey or evil character is dead.

>Reuenthal's kid reaching for the stars
"In every time, in every place, the deeds of man remain the same." ;_;

So...

Bittenfeld is our guy right? I was hooked to every scene he stole

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Literally me.

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tpbp
Characters are fine but not great, political drama is pretty entry level stuff (and convenient at that), shouldn't surprise you if you are somewhat knowledgeable, sci-fi setting is barebones as fuck. It's a solid 7/10

Such as?

You watch the gaidens then rewatch the main series again.

>it's extremely relevant to why the characters act the way they do
It's relevant that characters are dedicated to one side or the other. It's occasionally relevant Yang's lot are dedicated to an ideal rather than to an individual ruler. The content of that ideal not so much.
Again, the claim I dispute is that the show is about the relative merits of democracy and autocracy. It isn't. This is distinct from it being something that comes up in the show and motivates characters.

For a start it's not a very good argument because Reinhard is too good to be true. It's as shaky as "Light did nothing wrong because the author said crime went down dramatically". And Death Note level philosophy is neither impressive nor rare. Rudolph might be more relevant if you want to argue that a strong but "evil" ruler is better than the democracy he took over, but that's about five minutes of narration throughout the whole show.

I don't know man, you just gotta give yourself time to forget how special it was.

At this point we're just disagreeing into how focal a certain element must be before it can be considered one of the things that the story is "about".

And about Reinhard, the fact he's too good to be true is the point. Autocracy is only superior when one such magical perfect man is at the top.

I don't think there are many good anime political drama but that doesn't make LoGH especially good in that aspect, as for Sci-fi there are a bunch of actual good sci-fi series, GiTS, Texhnolyze, Lain, Dennou Coil etc.

You watch a bunch of 80's stuff and when you get tired of that watch Eva. You'll have a newfound appreciation for it being the last hurrah of that target demographic.

Not even best Dezaki

Eva was aimed at teenagers of the time though, same as LoGH during it's time, how does that work?

>How do people cope with the fact that they'll never see an anime as good as Legends of the Galactic Heroes again in their lives
They don't, I literally stopped watching anime after I finished LoGH

What sells that scene is the really worried look that Mittermeyer gives, when he sees Reuenthal's kid reaching for the stars. He has seen that shit before with both Reuenthal and Rainhard...

That's fair enough. The show does say some things about comparing democracy and autocracy. I just don't think it says a great deal of any substance about it.
>Autocracy is only superior when one such magical perfect man is at the top.
I think that's a terrible argument. The most obvious issue with it being, "Well why not just elect the magical perfect man and have the best of both worlds while you're daydreaming?" The show does suggest Rudolph was an improvement on the stagnant hedonism that came before him for instance. And there's plenty to be said against democracy if you actually want to.

Because the magical man is likely not to get elected due to some Trunhit mother fucker. In fact, Trunhit's whole existence is the argument against democracy right there, alongside things such as the aforementioned event where democracy stops Yang from winning the war, and the whole coup d'état arc.
And Yang explicitly says that Reinhard's "powers" would be greatly diminished by the inefficiency of not having absolute control and having to deal with way more bureaucracy if he was ruling under a democracy.

On what basis is a Truniht more likely to be elected than a Reinhard? One of Reinhard's many virtues was being widely loved. And Truniht's success suggested to me more that their democracy had already broken down than that it was flawed. Groups of thugs threatening political opponents isn't what I'd call an issue with democracy so much as an issue with its absence.
And the mere fact that Yang states something does not make it so. Reinhard's reforms were stated to be popular. Almost universally so. I can't see him lacking control just because he was democratically elected, and the bureaucracy would only differ at the executive level - he's need the same number of civil servants in either case.

Being widely loved does not guarantee being elected. And if you think political opponents getting threatened/murdered isn't a common occurrence in democracies around the world you're either lucky to be from a very rich and safe country or extremely naive.
And I didn't say he'd lack control, I said he'd have less of it which is objectively true since that's an inherent difference of the system.

But oberstein is garbage only loved by dumb people wanting to pretend they're smart.

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A hypothetical situation like that doesn't look good for Reinhard. He never engaged in factionalism, and his position in the military was guaranteed by Kaiser and Annerose, in their absence in FPA he wouldn't be allowed to command fleets so easily. Without military successes he wouldn't gather so much popularity, and the main reason for his popularity, his focus on commoners and lower nobles wouldn't make sense in FPA. Younger Reinhard was also shown to be quite hotheaded and didn't mix words, so he could run into legal trouble with his superiors and get discharged/relegated to the boonies.

>if you think political opponents getting threatened/murdered isn't a common occurrence in democracies around the world
No, I said it's not an issue caused by democracy. Or do you think unpopular autocrats don't do the same thing?
>that's an inherent difference of the system
"Democracy" and "autocracy" aren't single systems though. A feudal system could have a ruler with ultimate power on paper but in practise couldn't do anything the nobility didn't like. Wasn't the previous emperor much like that? He didn't even try to do anything, but as I recall it was implied he couldn't.

yuck

The military academy recognised Yang's talents, so there's no reason to suppose they wouldn't recognise Reinhard's. And being massively more ambitious than Yang he would actually pursue command. He didn't act in a way that would get him promoted in the alliance because he wasn't there.

>I said it's not an issue caused by democracy
In that case, how is it a sign that, as you put it, "their democracy had already broken down"?
And as I recall Friedrich IV did have ultimate authority (and exercised it in protecting Reinhard, which was extremely unpopular with the nobles), but the government was in practice commandeered by the three caped bigshots and the prime minister. Those guys were the ones that did have limitations put upon then and had to please the nobles.

>The military academy recognised Yang's talents
They didn't, really. If you watch Gaiden you see he was handled only bullshit busywork.
He was only sorta recognized after the events of the first battle of the show, where he only got command because his superior got put out of commission. And then the Iserlohn takeover, which was were he actually got recognized, was supposed to be a suicide mission.

/bestadmiral/

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I really like Kaiser Friedrich as a character. His fatalism in allowing Reinhard go free eventually gave monarchy the ultimate victory, even if the dynasty has changed but that's still a bigger achievement than most emperors had. The novels also point that he actually cared for Annerose (though it was never called love straightforwardly) and that he took care to not impregnate her, since both his children and their mothers tended to not live for very long.

The real hypothetical scenario for Reinhard is what would happen if Kaiser decided to engage him with one of his granddaughters.

Fritz' promoting Reinhard as much as he did while Reinhards driving factor is his desire to free his sister from the guy is such a nice touch.

Another cool development you see is that in flashbacks Reinhard pretty much idolizes Rudolph but then later in life distances himself from him.

Yang was given opportunities and regonition but his adversarial attitude towards his superiors and benifactors is what hurt his career progression.

> Reinhard is too good to be true
Hardly. There's a couple of pretty clear historical paralels that the character draws from but beyond that Reinhard's not that amazing of a ruler. He's popular because he ousted and disowned the ancien régime, repurposed or redistributed their property and decicively won a draining war that lasted over a century and a half. But he clearly struggled with civil administration and it seemed to bore him to an extent and Hildegard was clearly better at it than he was. He also seemed much worse at delegating in the civil realm than when it came to military matters.

The Fool (0): Julian Mintz/Magdalena von Westfalen
The Magician(1): Yang Wenli
The High Priestess(2): Hildegard von Lohengramm
The Empress(3): Annerose von Grünewald
The Emperor (4): Reinhard von Lohengramm
The Hierophant(5): Paul von Oberstein
The Lovers(6): Franz Valleymunt & Therese
The Chariot(7): Wolfgang Mittermeyer
Justice(8): Ulrich Kesler
The Hermit(9): ?
Wheel of Fortune(10): ?
Strength(11): Siegfried Kircheis
The Hanged Man(12): Heinrich von Kümmel
Death(13): João Rebelo
Temperance(14): ?
The Devil(15): Friedrich von Goldenbaum IV
The Tower(16): Ansbach
The Star(17): Jessica Edwards
The Moon(18): Sussanna von Beenemünde
The Sun(19): Olivier Poplin
Judgement(20): Leopold Schumacher
The World(21): Bruno von Silberberch.

was meant for the other tread but it died.

I'm pretty sure that the Wheel of Fortune is Patrick von Sajdak.

Temperance is Eisenach.

>TWO CUPS of coffee

They realise the main appeal of anime is the naive idealism and the extremely stylised aesthetics, and that if they want something like LOGH they're better off reading novels.

tldr : There are plenty of novels like LOGH, but there isn't a single novel like Kill la Kill

Gundam is better

The Hermit is that extremely old Admiral from Gaiden that is the only one that can see Reinhard's brilliance, Wheel of Fortune is the big burly dude that dies protecting Yang, and Temperance is Eisenach.

I'm sure if you ask some litfag he'll know a novel that is like Kill la Kill, and it'll probably be seen as an outlier by them as LoGH is seem as an outlier by animefags.

Based

>forgetting mueller
>forgetting mecklinger
>forgetting lutz
>forgetting reuenthal

By driving to an Earth Church and killing 51 Terraists on livestream so anons can watch

He perfectly times the moments where he reminds Reinhard why he keeps him around. He might be a genius.

He unironically is Hildergad used his plan to win the war against the FPA only difference is that he wanted to destroy Heinesen while Hilda and Wolfgang threatened the politicians

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Boy can you imagine if they did a mcfuckingpurge on the FPA territory? Yang would go nuclear.

He probably would have won since therr would be nothing holding him back

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I'm trying to read the novel

Just because they were real people doesn't mean they acted anything like how they are portrayed in the show.

>have spaceships and guns
>run around in a corridor swinging battle axes

what was the meaning of this scene?

Zephyr particles

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They wanted the 40k audience.

>wanted
They very obviously got it, you fucking heretic.

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why didn't yang just take over the FPA and declare himself emperor

Too much work, Yang just wants a quiet life.

Because then he would have to deal with normies all day instead of just drinking brandy and writing history textbooks in his NEET lair.

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He loved democracy enough to die for it, not enough to work for it.

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Did they really need to add in Freddy being a stronk, independent woman? She's never going to get a chance to do anything with it.

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Yeah overall I thought the direction of DNT was pretty good but they kept ruining it with little autistic decisions like that scene, and certain character designs...

same

You rewatch it. But if you want a serious answer is that you don't.

Watching DNT and reading the books made me appreciate the original OVA more. In the first volume Empire gets barely any focus and almost feels like a generic villain faction in DNT, but OVA added a few stories from the Gaiden to flesh it out from the beginning.

>look through new season
>moeshit
>isekaishit
>

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One day at a time, but I swear Yang's death changes a man.The deaths in the series were incredibly sad and most come out of no where none really compare to the magician not returning.

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we could have had more animes like LOGH

instead we get isekai and moeshit

Because not enough LoGHfags actually want to pay for it.

I would pay for it if it was $100. Instead it costs $800 and that's a little bit outside of my budget.

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You could buy the novels and a hidive subscription for a way to support it instead of overpriced BDs.

>a hidive subscription
For how long do I have to keep the subscription active? I've already seen the show, and I doubt it'll show up in their internal metrics that I subscribed only for LoGH and not for anything else.

I don't know. I just know they're the only streaming service that licenses it at the moment, so I assume some of their revenue must be going to the creators as part of that deal. Could be a per-view thing and you have to actually watch it for them to get anything. Or maybe they were just paid a flat fee based on viewer estimates and don't actually get anything anymore. Who knows. You can never rewatch LoGH too many times anyway, though.

Not good enough, damnit, not good enough.

>$5 / episode ignoring the movies and extras
>expensive

Buying 200 of the cheapest burger around is still expensive, user.

>naive idealism
Like Star Trek?

But why can't there be both kinds of anime? I personally like both so in terms of manga it is nice to have both.

Star Trek isn't really naive. Naivety is failure to account for problems or obstacles. Star Trek is just optimistic. It recognizes obstacles, but acknowledges that they can be overcome.

It only seems that way because you're spending it all at once. Budget properly and save up.
Regardless, the point is that moefags are willing to spend money on anime, and you aren't. In which case, why would anyone bother making anime for you?

>no Yang dakimakura
>no Imperial-battleship-shaped dildo

They aren't helping

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>How do people cope with the fact that they'll never see an anime as good as Legends of the Galactic Heroes again in their lives?

I train my brain to forget as much as possible about it then rewatch it every 2 years.

>hating on god-on
yikes

Perfection

Very democratic, I can feel my republic gaining emancipation and enfranchisement just looking at this. My liberty is standing... for freedom.