Dropped

He was already pretty frustrating in a lot of ways, but this just made him completely insufferable. I can understand protags being dumb and fucking up, which he did by breaking his promise and making a fool of himself in front of the entire assembled government. But he hit a low point and then doubled down when he should have just done the obvious thing and committed sodoku to undo the mistakes he knew he made.

I just have very little patience for when characters are painful/cringy in really shortsighted ways purely for extending drama

That had less to do with drama and more with character development

I like almost everything about re:0 except for subaru.
This makes it very hard to watch...

You’d probably like the web novel. The anime made Subaru look worse than he actually was

he was right tho

He was right but he has no reason to act like a faggot like he did

>willing to die and die again for a girl he met for 10 mins
That's how you spot terrible MC's

he was, but he said it all to someone who had no way of knowing why he was right

there was no possible way that anyone wouldn't just see him as a dick for saying that given their experience

>he should have just done the obvious thing and committed sodoku to undo the mistakes he knew he made.
>haha dude just kill yourself
God I just love hearing the opinions of sheltered manbabies

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Isn't the point of the early episodes supposed to be that you aren't supposed to like him? Like he just progressively realizes that he's a piece of shit or something

If the main character acting flawed is too much for you then you should stop self inserting.

Yes but you can't expect that from the typical 30 IQ anime watcher

And that says a lot because Re:Zero isn't that deep at all

When wil Isekai faggotry die?

He still struggles with being a piece of shit. But that’s what makes re zero so good

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If you know you're gonna come right back, why wouldn't you? To me, only sheltered manbabies would be afraid of temporary mortal pain to fix a problem with someone they care about more than anything.

>shows spends time focusing on this waifushit crap and the MC becomes more obsessed
This shit should have ended on the 3rd episode

You mean if you even bothered picking it up to begin with.

I unironically like ReZero.

Same. but because I'm fond of time travel shit/things that look like visual novels with various routes etc.
The fact that it has waifus and nice world building is just a bonus

>watch an entire 1 hour first episode
>this is not enough to see if a show is shit or not
ummmmm

You shouldn’t have to watch a single second to know it’s dogshit.

>You don't need to know something to pass judgement on it.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

He was actually more likeable in the early episodes than when he goes off the rails in the middle though.

But I do know it.
>LNshit
>isekai
>Male MC surrounded by a bunch of pretty girls
As if I actually need to waste real time on this to confirm that it’s formulaic horseshit aimed at horny teenagers.

Self-insertfags love characters with relatable flaws. Everything is personal. If you criticize the character, they'll jump to defend their person like you did.

I literally fucking hate Re:Zero. My dumbass friends kept insisting that it is good. I said that it ain't, but they dismissed me because I hadn't seen it. So I sat down and watched the fucker. And after 8 hours of the worst anime watching experience I have ever had, I can safely say that this is complete trash. It's badly written rehash of ideas that have been done better before and it has nothing to justify it's existence. Pretty much bottom of the barrel isekai trash with no redeeming qualities. And before you start telling me hurr durr it's super popular so it can't be bad, consider that the transformers movie franchise made 4 billion dollars and it is considered the garbage of hollywood.

speedwatcher. Rem literally does the opposite of what Subaru wants multiple times.
>leaves him behind at the inn
>rejects his proposal even though she has already had a fantasy of eloping
>even though Subaru rejects her in the anime she still pursues him
come the fuck on dude

>Self-insertfags love characters with relatable flaws.
what the fuck are you even talking about, are you fucking retarded? Self insertfags complain the the MC isn't like them, they didn't like how he did X, they call him retarded for doing something that "they wouldn't do", they bitch and whine about how the MC isn't perfect and can't solve any problem without mistakes.

Watch more than 3 anime and report back fucking retard.

Why is isekai so popular?

>willing to die and die again for a girl he met for 10 mins
A girl who saved his life and was more than likely his first meaningful relationship with anyone other than his parents.

the same reason the wizard of oz and alice in wonderland were popular.

Escapism for le sad teenbros and soulless wageslaves

Rem is a submissive waifu not to Subaru but to the viewer.
She's the stereotypical perfect waifu that will always sacrifice herself for you even if you fucking shit on her.
She's a yes man with anime tiddies.

>even you black haired japanese NEET otaku can become a hero and have a harem of women lusting after you
it's a fucking mystery user

>Self insertfags complain the the MC isn't like them blah blah
Because they're not self-insertfags and treat the character as a separate entity rather than an extension of themselves. Self-insertfags love characters who are similar to them, it enhances the wish fulfillment. Why do you think the bulk of male protagonists are bland looking betas and nerds? This should be basic, but you can't expect a Reddit:Zero casual to know anything.

It's something other than CGDCT, or the garbage that has be festering allover this board, and can incorporate fantasy elements mixed with recognizable RPG elements. Almost all of them try to incorporate some gimmick to draw views like "what if he was a vending machine in a rpg world" or "what if he was his player character in his video game and has to finger a dfc catgirl while trying LARP as a demon lord".

>It's badly written rehash of ideas that have been done better before
What do you recommend?

Listen here nigger, you can't just try to flip the definition.
>Self-insertfags love characters who are similar to them, it enhances the wish fulfillment.
No. Self insertfags love characters that are like what they think the are like. They want to be perfect, infallible gods.
>Because they're not self-insertfags and treat the character as a separate entity rather than an extension of themselves.
Fuck off retard, they are complaining that the fact that he didn't make the right choice, or should have done this instead because it breaks their immersion. He made a choice or acted in away that they didn't agree with made them angry.

unironiclly this

SUBARU ACTED LIKE ANY ONE OF YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY IN HIS SITUATION
you have no idea what dying actually feels like retards

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It’s all the same lowbrow LN harem garbage we’ve been getting for over a fucking decade.

Hey man, don't blame me. Blame the freemarket.

Exactly. He found a nice girl who talked to him and latched onto her as hard as he could. Plus there's the fact that the first series of loops were justifiable even out of this context, which in turn gave him time to become attached to her before the series of loops which required more devotion than heroism.

i doubt anyone sane would pursue emilia that autisticly other than that correct

I don't know if literally every choice he made is the same as what I would do but that's fine - better in fact. He doesn't have to do "what I would do", the point is that his actions make complete sense considering who he is as a person, his prior life, and the traumatic events he was working through.

Feels good to be an emiliachad

I made it all the way to the white wale fight and the old man leaping hundreds of feet into the air was not exciting and all. Dumbest shit that could have possibly happened in that battle, and it happened, so i dropped it.

Right on. People keep forgetting that he was a social recluse NEET in denial about his self-hatred, insecurity and weakness. He latched onto Emilia because she was the waifu out of his dreams - selfless, kind and pure, to him she represented hope for a new beginning. He wanted desperately for her to save him and prove he wasn't useless and ended up idolizing her because of it.

I wonder if they will skip witch or lust in season 2 or they will keep friendzoning rem in the anime adaptation

>I don’t understand protags that aren’t perfect.
Don’t you have class tomorrow?

They can't skip Witch of Lust, but they will keep friendzoning her. The LN tries to forget Subaru ever confessed to her, as in they took every reference to that event from the WN and rewrote it to be more ambiguous. If you had read Vol 7 you would know what they are talking about even though they don't mention it but if you didn't and only watched the anime then picked up Vols 9 and 10 you would guess they are talking about the "Second Wife scene" instead.

>He was actually more likeable in the early episodes than when he goes off the rails in the middle though.
He just hadn't been triggered into showing his true colors yet, it was needed for his character development.

The premise and development of the show is great, but the characters are animu^2 which has made me cringe countless of times.

get out

>He’s likable until he’s shown to have serious flaws
Hey, please remember to stick to Naruto and DBZ for your personal enjoyment

I actually never stopped liking Subaru; despite his fuckups he was always a compelling character whose motivations and actions I understood and could empathize with. I'm actually really fond of what Rem says to him after him yelling at Emilia - that she did think he was pathetic, but that that didn't mean she no longer wanted to be with him. The man had sunk to a new low and done some really stupid things, and in the process he uncovered some of his underlying flaws, but I never stopped being on his side. I wanted him to move past it and be better. Everyone's pathetic at some point or another - and anyone who grows will find their past self pathetic by comparison.

>not dropping it on the last episode at the very final second
Get a load if this guy

Both the anime and the LN are trash. The LN has massive pacing issues and is so cheesy it makes some battle shounen look mature. Anime slightly improves the pacing issues but otherwise is more of the same.

I assume you have read/watched neither then.

I would literally just fuckin run away as far as possible from. anything that could harm me, and not be a dumbass retard who gets involved in life threatening adventures and a foreign kingdoms politics, because of some random silver haired bitch I met on the street. I don't like people and I am a coward by nature (nothing wrong with being very careful and avoiding every situation that could get me hurt or killed). So yeah, I wouldn't do anything that Subaru did and your argument is invalid.

reminder if you ever feel CRINGEY that's your own internal insecurity and projection.

I hated him from episode one, right up until the final scene. Worst mc ever.

I have read/watched both. Why do you disagree? LN reads like a trek through Siberia during winter wearing 200 pounds of gear.

>Anime slightly improves the pacing issues

2deep4u
unironically though re:zero works because the underlying ideas are very solid, sorry you're a faggot who can't appreciate the self loathing glory that is subaru

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So what did you think?

I agree with this user.
I genuinely love Subaru for being the flawed character that he is. I have to wonder at all the people who show such frigidity and reflexive disgust towards someone who shares many of the same flaws as 95% of shut-ins/misfits/introverts, or anyone else who has fucked up and stumbled into a negativity spiral. And Subaru actually shows some self-awareness and contrition regarding those flaws.
>but he's stupid/cowardly/embarrassing/cringe/generic isekai self-insert
All of these reactions strike me as shallow and lacking any empathy for the character. He's a loser with delusions of grandeur, a wash-out, contradicts himself regularly, falls flat on his face, and even regresses as a character despite attempts to grow and overcome himself. He appears to me to be one of the most realistic and endearing characters in all of anime, not to mention isekai.

Ep 18 is also sincerely and without irony one one of the greatest anime episodes of all time.

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>literally can't die and can use knowledge of past loops to overcome your total mediocrity and become a living god
>still too cowardly to be the hero
You're pathetic as fuck user, I would definitely do something similar to Subaru, but I'd be after best girl instead of some filthy mongrel elf, who you can't even fuck since she's mentally 6 years old or something, and who any involvement with forces you into the middle of insane amounts of keikaku by clowns and cultists. Subaru is a total retard for chasing Emilia, but at least he isn't a pathetic faggot like yourself.

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>reading the LN which is just a butchered version of the WN
You did it to yourself, baka.

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>Self insertfags love characters that are like what they think the are like. They want to be perfect, infallible gods.
Wrong, that's a shallow definition. The original definition is the writer literally putting himself in a story. The most oft use of this is the audience doing so. For every Kirito, there are twenty bland beta otaku/neet/loser characters for vicarious enjoyment. Subaru is just another version of that with extra edgy chuuni sauce. "Oh, my special snowflake suffering no one else could possibly understand!" Bet that sounds familiar.
>Fuck off retard, they are complaining that the fact that he didn't make the right choice, or should have done this instead because it breaks their immersion. He made a choice or acted in away that they didn't agree with made them angry.
No, they can being objective and calling the character out for his bullshit, unlike self-insertfags like you who defend the bullshit because you see that character as one with yourself and take all of this very personally, hence your hostility and butthurt.

>You are literally the character, no one else could possibly act differently!
Self-insertfaggotry at its finest.

They also skipped the second wife scene in the anime.
Unlike her wn/ln counterpart, anime rem is literally one of the biggest literal cucks I have ever witnessed. And with rem being my favourite girl after dona, it makes me mad as fuck. I also don't know the reason of why they are doing this. Isn't rem the most popular character in re zero by far?

There is nothing wrong with wanting to live a quiet life and not wanting to get involved in anyone else's business. And being heroic is stupid as all hell. Subaru goes through all that dying and suffering because he wants to be a hero. But what is the point. To get some pussy? Really weak motivation over there. I would never put anything important on the line for something so insignificant. If I could use the ability to return from death, I would only use it for strictly personal gain until I have enough resources to dissappear far far away from all the action and never use that ability again (unless I die in some freak accident, in which case it would be useful).

I just wish they toned down his faggotry a bit. like it was at a point a lot where you wondered how anybody could even tolerate him

Because he actually does some pretty heroic stuff for the other characters. Yeah afterwards he can be a dick but it doesn't change the fact that he saves their lives.

They want to be able to market other girls too, clearly.

>Isn't rem the most popular character in re zero by far?
By far.

Believe it or not, his sperg out actually brought him some respect from people as he was able to say what they were afraid of saying.

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Fuck off. Nothing about re:zero is deep, original or good. It is literally isekai LN trash. One of many of it's kind.

Seething

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Yeah, his freak out in the throne room was at least 80% justified and honestly quite ballsy. Only the bit at the end with claiming knighthood and insulting the knights were definite low points. It was the following scenes - the duel, his inability to explain himself, and the pathetic breakdown - which dealt the real damage.

I like re:zero because I think it has an interesting premise past the dumb isekai crap:

How far would you go for your waifu?

No, seriously. You're stranded in a stupid world and have all this bullshit surrounding you. Emilia/Rem is your waifu. Now, how far do you go to actually help them? I think most user would give up after a few tries. I think it's interesting to take a hypothetical staunchly obsessive person like Subaru and see how far they will go. The only problem I have with this conflict is it's hard to have grow or mature very much. The dynamic is very flat. As a result, Emilia is still wafer thin of a character and Rem is still basically asleep. Because any growth or development in these characters would end the story in its entirety.

But that's what makes it somewhat interesting. Your waifu in reality is a 2d piece of shit who can never grow. Who will always call you baka or headpat you. They're not a living person. They can't be your lover. They're just a toy.

An anime which explored this, where the protag has to grow up and give up his waifu to find happiness, would be pretty killer. A deconstructed Emiya, basically.

It goes further in confronting neet/incel psychology than any other anime. Prove me wrong.

if anime is junkfood
and isekai is the junkfood of anime
then does that make re:zero dr. pepper or something?
I mean, for an anime, for an isekai, I think it's the best in its genre of junk.

Agreed. I can't believe this otaku pandering garbage is even being posted on Yea Forums circa 2019. Why would a woman or a homosexual watch this crap? Sigh, back to the Mub Shitco thread to cleanse my eyes...

The best part is that everyone still really fucking loved Rem from just the anime. I know I did. From my perspective, first hearing that there was a lot of cut content - the kind that people who read the source said ruined her - was a surreal experience. I was honestly amazed that they could cut so much in an apparent attempt to sabotage not only her role as a romantic rival, but her character overall, and still have her be so loved. I was amazed, but I was also insulted. I still love the anime adaptation - I think on its own merit it was excellent - but I'm also strangely disappointed.

>I mean, for an anime, for an isekai, I think it's the best in its genre of junk.
Not even close. There are better isekai out there.
Kaiji gives the neet mentality a run for it's money. I'll take Tonegawas speeches about neets living like their life hasn't started yet, until they discover that life has just passed them by, over all the bullshit and terrible terrible character writing in re zero, any day of the week.

Lots of people have shit taste user, it is known

>>Kaiji gives the neet mentality a run for it's money. I'll take Tonegawas speeches about neets living like their life hasn't started yet, until they discover that life has just passed them by, over all the bullshit and terrible terrible character writing in re zero, any day of the week.
none of that touches upon the self-loathing so often inherent in every neet, Kaiji just describes the problem, Subaru faces the why behind it

The author has a massive boner for Emilia. In order to make her look better he has to make everyone else suck. Or at least he tries and fails over and over again and just ends up making Emilia bland compared to everyone else

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I'm assuming your referring to the WN. Is there a place where I can read the first three arcs?

Exactly. I don't even hate Emilia - but I definitely hate Tappei.

The LN up until Vol 8 follows them decently, read the LN 1-7, skip 8 and 9 then go straight into the WN translations

Explain why the WN is so Rem then? Even still he keeps giving Rem huge scenes, "Stand Up" was the most hype moment for actual fucking years.

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So I often hear that the LN fucks things up compared to the WN - how so? And to what degree? In my understanding the entire point is to polish it up for the proper format, so I'm curious how exactly it could be significantly reversed. I feel that unless it's pretty major I'll prioritize just reading the LN because it will, I assume, make more sense with the forthcoming content.

Of course, that in turn makes me wonder if the WN reached a conclusion or simply stopped once the LN was confirmed. If it did end properly I might read it but otherwise it would only make sense to read the updated version for the sake of getting to the end without any inconsistencies.

>So I often hear that the LN fucks things up compared to the WN - how so? And to what degree?
Ever since the anime adaptation the author has been purposely dumbing down things like foreshadowing and set up for the sake of making it more easy to adapt into anime, this includes things like cutting down scenes where Subaru does detective work by gathering information and adding a magic rock that teleports him to plot important places so he can just have things fall onto his lap. It also managed to make Emilia seem less flawed, which if you know anything about how writing a character is supposed to go, that's not a good thing. There are a lot more changes and cut scenes that a lot of readers of the WN agree were poor decisions but that'd make me go into spoilers.
>if the WN reached a conclusion or simply stopped once the LN was confirmed
According to the author himself, the Light novel CAN'T get ahead of the Web novel or he'd be violating the terms of the narou site. twitter.com/nezumiironyanko/status/884376674174771200
Which means he has to prioritize the web novel or take it down entirely. And seeing as how it's still up, it seems like he's going to keep writing it.

After Vol 8 things get fucked with as they started changing things to be more like the anime, as Vols 1-7 were "pre anime". Notably trying to retcon Subaru and Rem's entire relationship as much as they can.
>In my understanding the entire point is to polish it up for the proper format, so I'm curious how exactly it could be significantly reversed.
The LN does polish things up a bit, making it easier to read so to speak but at great cost. The LN tones down all the character's personalities basically, removes a few plot lines, and cuts out entire loops shortening it (the ones that it does cut out can be done without though).

>Of course, that in turn makes me wonder if the WN reached a conclusion or simply stopped once the LN was confirmed
The author promised to continue writing the WN but he hasn't posted a chapter in months, he even ended his own tradition of posting the Rem chapter every year on her birthday.

To fill in you on things, Re:Zero is supposed to be around 11 arcs. The anime only covered Arcs 1-3, it didn't finish 3 the anime left off right before the real conclusion of the Arc. The WN is currently in the middle of Arc 6, the LN is catching up and finishing Arc 5. Season 2 is covering Arc 4 and the LN Arc 4 hasn't been translated yet, waiting on Yen Press to release them but I'll never read them, I doubt anybody here will either as we have the WN.

A lot of the highly memorable moments were removed. A lot of stupid big fights were added. Important plot points that added to the tension were offscreened, and only revealed later despite it making no sense that way at all. More things happen conveniently, rather than by Subaru's planning or actions. Magical teleporting crystals were inserted into the plot to help facilitate things by bouncing Subaru around the plot, instead of him actually choosing to go places or being sent there deliberately in ways that foreshadow certain story elements.

You ever meet someone that you got along with and thought was pretty cool after meeting once?
And then you later find out that they're a complete and total piece of shit?
Subaru was just good at hiding his demons, but everything comes out eventually.
He's actually a pretty awful person deep down, and it's ingrained so deeply in his core being that it'll take some serious work to make him actually change.
If anything, him being morally ambiguous adds credibility to all the theories where Subaru ends up being an archbishop or whatever, and opens up a lot of possibilities for where the story can go, as opposed to having a typical moralfag protag.

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Some of that sounds fine, most of it moderately troublesome, and the remaining portion incredibly frustrating. I think I'll check out both - at least up to a point where the changes become obvious - and drop one as I determine which I like. Or just read both completely because I'm that autistic.

As a last question, is there a preferred source for WN translations?

>As a last question, is there a preferred source for WN translations?
Most will tell you Translation Chicken as his are the highest quality, but he skips a chapter in the Arc 4 interlude which I don't like and shows he doesn't understand shit.

There are two choices, translation chicken or Summary user who's is a "speed" translation who finished all of Arc 4 like two years ago while Translation Chicken hasn't finished it. You generally read TC until you run out and switch to Summary user.

>As a last question, is there a preferred source for WN translations?
Just use novelupdates and ignore the chapters of arc 5 that chicken translated until you reach them.

Subaru is optimal self insert: you start imagining all the things you would do different.

Thanks, that's incredibly helpful. It's been a while since I actually had the motivation to read something of any reasonable length, so let's see if I still have my superpower of reading stupid fast or if my lack of practice has caught up with me.

Subaru is an idiotic immature manchild. What I like about the worldbuilding is that with the exception of Rem, the whole fantasy alternate world population recognizes what he is and tells it to his face, constantly. But he's too wrapped up in his own head to even hear them. I adore the total contempt with which the other world treats him.

Rem knows full well that he's an idiotic immature manchild. She just believes in him anyway, and knows he's basically psychic or something.

Rem is fucking insane as well. They are two peas in a pod

Eh, she's crazy in a different way, but sure.

I enjoyed it due to the horror aspect of what video game save mechanics would be like, where you find out what happens but experience death to return to a previous save point.

I can't imagine anyone who would want to self insert as him, unless they had a serious martyr complex or something.
I always felt like he was deliberately written in a way that people would dislike or pity him more than they'd want to be him.

Bottom of the barrel? My friend, you clearly have not watched enough isekai to see the true depths of the barrel if you think Re:Zero is the bottom. There are plenty of generic OP MC haremshits isekai resting there at the bottom.

A suffering hero is pretty big, makes the fantasy more powerful and compelling.

I want to argue this but I have a sever martyr complex so I really can't. I didn't really self-insert though.

His obsessive need to be something and his unhealthy way of seeing things is something I can fully relate to. I know it's hard to admit it but I would act like him if I was summoned to another world.

Rem understands him better than anyone. She sees all the bad as anyone else does, but also sees genuine good in him. It helps that he's actually had a positive impact on her life, while he's just an obnoxious nobody to most everyone until Rem gives him the courage to truly show what he's made of. She was what the series needed so it isn't just some self-centered tard suffering, some faith, hope, and love.

because cuddly

the knowing paradox it would only work if you live a full life till the end if a guy does not want to help. then it his choise. One first loop i would do the same why risking own life without knowing of a loop.After view loops i would get mad as fuck and do some of the things that everyone dreams or nightmares are full of.

I spent the first half of this thread talking about hoe flawed Subaru is and how his breakdowns, petty obsessions, and other major issues make him an interesting character, but now I feel its time to note that the opposite is also true: Subaru has a lot going for him - and not just in terms of being lucky. He's kind, he knows and accepts his weakness, he's devoted, he's willing to improve himself, he's friendly and sociable, he's occasionally quite clever, and he's pretty damn brave. I could go on, but the point isn't covering everything that's good about Subaru - the point is that he has strengths and weaknesses. He has good points as well as bad.

So I'll share just one more strong point that I think is delivered really well by Rem in her big speech: That giving up is easy, but it doesn't suit him. Subaru tried and tried over and over again, pushing himself relentlessly to achieve a good ending and not once did he consider giving up until others had thoroughly drilled the idea into his head. Stubbornness can be a very dangerous, negative trait - and in fact it has been for him at times - but it's also admirable. Giving up hurt him more than anything - and that's a trait I once knew well, and wish I still had.

t.retards

Oh my fucking God that's gold. Just fucking stop inhaling you retard. Oh fuck that was one of the most pretentious things I've seen in recent weeks

>harem
There's literally only one girl who truly loves Subaru

Wow that's incredibly wrong

And that’s Beako!

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Yes, that still means he wasn't so bad early on like claimed. Thanks for making my point dickshit.

then say a good harem anime.
Have not seen one with good romantic harem end. Without some magic, since fiction or psycho drama in childhood.

I mean it is a bit more complicated. "True love" is... let's say debatable, but there are other girls who want him, especially past the anime. In any case it's still not really a harem and that's a bullshit reason to hate the series.

Yep. That's the only pure love in this story.

I thought it was only Julius that felt that way?

>Picking up isekaitrash in the first place

Captain Crunch too

>never killed him
>tried to protect him when everyone else abandoned him in arc 2
>cried when he jumped off the cliff
>saved him from committing suicide in arc 4
>scarified herself to save Subaru from Elsa
How can anyone even compete?

Don't forget the fact they sleep together every night so she can suck on his mana so subaru can survive.

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>She's the stereotypical perfect waifu that will always sacrifice herself for you even if you fucking shit on her.
Ironically this shit is far more common in womens' fiction, which actually has men who will shit on the heroines. More often than not, in men's fiction it's the MALE protagonist who puts up with all the bullshit a girl slings at him and still do anything for her. If sacrificing yourself for who you love makes you 'submissive', shitloads of protagonists and actual people are guilty of it. But despite this, someone will pull this projecting bullshit about a loving and supportive heroine is for sordid domination fantasy anyway. Just just proves they are either biased or have a screw loose. Rem has both male and female fans because that sort of person has eternal appeal to most anyone. Not to mention she also insults him, acts independently of his wishes, and ep 18 has her both reject his suggestion to run away with him and convince him to be the man she wants him to be.

Yeah, there are tons of angles which you could approach calling her a self-insert fantasy - the fact that she provides a support most NEETS desperately crave in EP.18 is a big one - but calling her submissive or saying she will put up with anything? That user approached that from just about the dumbest place.

kys

>t.underage

OK retard

Maid with big boobs who looks very cute when she's in love.

I think people are being condescending when they do that, thinking they have power over the person and thus having no respect for them. Someone who isn't so loving and supportive or they otherwise have to win over is more gratifying for the ego. Ironically, isn't that sort of autofellation what people see in Subaru? A world that exists as opportunity to prove things to himself? A princess-like heroine to serve and win over? A character like Rem is normally meant to stay in their little secondary role, a mere maid. Not breakout and have an impact. I don't know how you could be condescending toward Rem, especially if you're no better than Subaru. She's your best confidant and has your back.

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I agree overall, and I don't actually think she's just a fantasy - I'm just saying that there's better ground to make that argument from than questioning the agency of one of the most proactive characters in the anime. Basically I was saying that not only was their point wrong, but they were doing a bad job of even defending it. In the end, though, even arguing the way I suggested fails because the protagonists growth is a necessity in the story - to say that her helping him grow is just some fantasy is to discount any story of personal growth as awkward wish fulfillment. She helps him of her own agency because she believes he is worth helping, and believing otherwise is the result of a failure to understand her character.

I remember the tweets back during S1 when the seiyuu for Subaru said the recording session were very hard and Subaru's overbearing personality made for very exhausting deliveries from time to time and it created a heavy atmosphere inside the studio because of how exhausted the seiyuu was.
I wonder what his reaction was when he learned he would have to voice Subaru again.
>new job? Ya- oh it's Natsuki Subaru? Okay, I guess I'll take it.

oh man, just wait until he gets to the ass rabbits. He's gonna have some fun voice acting THAT.

I don't remember this. I hope it was the good kind of tired - the kind where he was just very into it and it took a lot of effort - rather than anything too emotionally taxing. I absolutely loved his performance in S1, so I'd be saddened to learn he can't look back and be proud of that job.

Honestly I think they're cutting all the rage scenes because it would fuck up the VA's voice. Almost everything after arc 3 is him either getting pissed off or getting pissed off when someone shittalks Rem.

Who the knows what Tappei is thinking. At this point the editors just might be putting a gun to his head and ordered to shill Emilia for all we know.

Perhaps Tappei is actually not a hack, and it's the editor(s) who ruin things with poorly-planned Emilia shilling.

I feel you. I say a shallow criticism typically coming from a shallow person projecting shallowness onto the character and people who like that character. Some people are just grasping for straws and loathe to admit or understand that her popularity is earned.

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Perpetually angey Subaru is the best kind of Subaru. Fuck em.

Don't worry once he starts cross-dressing you'll begin to like him too. Whether by your own will or your own willy.

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Re:Zero is a 10/10 and EVA is a 1/10

Your flag is looking s little false there buddy. Trying to find something to bite that fishing tackle you have?

90% character design and because other options are trash, personally I find the design very generic like it's very simplified and basic and not interesting to look at.

just stating the obvious

There really should just be an arc dedicated for Natsumi to fuck with people

Wait he hated his job? His line delivery was so good tho

Because she's the safe option who never criticizes or actively encourages the self-insert to be a better person. Waifufags don't want to improve themselves, they want to be told they're perfect as they are so that they never have to put any effort into anything.

not him but saying nothing other then retard really does say something about you niggers

>never criticizes or actively encourages the self-insert to be a better person
yeah go ahead, talk directly out of your ass.

Did you reply to the wrong person?

>encourages the self-insert to be a better person
Yo you watching anime bro

He's probably a mobshitco memer

Cry harder Remshitter, she's only liked because she's safe. Waifufags are fucking cancer.

Man you asshole must be jealous with the amount of shit coming out of your mouth.
So which peice of evidence do you want? Episode 18? The manga? Or the novels where Subaru became Rem's whipped boy?

Man, I guess all that butthurt about you guys crying over how she killed and tortured Subaru suddenly doesnt exists huh? How convenient for a hypocrite or ignoramus, not like there's a difference.

She literally is his reason for becoming a better person and trying to be kind. In both What IF stories written by the author where he becomes a wacky crazy murder hobo he also never develops a relationship with her.

honestly the entire point that makes the WN so enjoyable is seeing subaru going down the literal rabbithole, his interactions with the characters in the process and eventually conquer it without going completely insane. arc 4 in particular was such a beautiful clusterfuck
by the end of the arc 4 the rest of the cast has recieved so much development that they make waifuwars feel like they are more of like needed emotional support to Subaru than actual relationships with him like the rest

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Always funny to see how misinformed Rem hater are

>safe
A monster, has no qualms harming or killing. Oh, you means safe for the ego? What a petty concern.
>never criticizes or actively encourages the self-insert to be a better person
Literally does that, the one character who actually does. Most do the former and never the other because they don't care.
>Waifufags don't want to improve themselves blah blah
Maybe some people, but this story is about a protagonist who wants to prove his mettle. Rem actually expects things of him, she sees good in him that even he didn't realize. He busts his ass thanks to her and for her. Love and support are good and powerful things; this silly aversion to them to show how you're not "soft" is pretty damn sad and misguided.

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>train with wilhelm for few days
>kill self via cliff
>repeat till god level sword skills
He wasn't dedicated enough

cute

Oh and of course read all the skipped content (subaru confession to rem, the aldebaran reveal, a subaru/puck dialogue and a beattrice subaru scene) speciallt the first 2 (subaru confession to get butthurt at the anime and the aldebaran scene because its very important.
I think there is a doc compilating all translations and the skipped scenes from arc 3, however I cannot find it right now

fpbp

>mc dies 10 times in the span of 2 weeks
>most of these deaths are horrific
>he sees everyone he loves die multiple times
>even so he does this just to save everyones asses
>people still hate him for some reason

Everyone in the world owes Subaru, he's saved the other main characters many times and saved the entire planet from the white whale. He acts like a totally realistic character considering the shit he goes through, he isn't a generic OP isekai fag, no girls like him besides Rem and she actually has a good reason for doing so.

Re zero is much better than most isekai.

>never criticizes or actively encourages the self-insert to be a better person
user I...

Based

90% character design when she's literally same as her twin, nice low iq you have there

Dont blame tappei. In the current web novel he made subaru look to be even more in love with rem than with emilia. And he has been waiting many years to write that scene and was very happy about it, and guess what it was another from zero and the true titledrop of the show.
However the LN since the anime adaptation it looks like the editors grabbed him by the balls and downplay/make subaru's feelings more obscure, add more emilia scenes that add nothing to her character, and take not only rem but many other good/interesting scenes away and dumb everything down

>For every Kirito, there are twenty bland beta otaku/neet/loser characters for vicarious enjoyment. Subaru is just another version of that with extra edgy chuuni sauce. "Oh, my special snowflake suffering no one else could possibly understand!" Bet that sounds familiar.
It's clear you're an ESL, I genuinely can't tell what the fuck this is supposed to mean. What people mean by self-inserting these days is anyone projecting themselves onto a character, treating them as an extension of themselves rather than a separate entity. There are no conditions for self-inserting other than this, however, many recognize that the absolutely bland protagonists you see in series like Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei, Death March, IS and Hundred are typical vehicles for self-inserters because they have no distinct personalities of their own that could conflict with theirs and their series are easily digestible and full of wish-fulfillment.
>No, they can being objective and calling the character out for his bullshit, unlike self-insertfags like you who defend the bullshit because you see that character as one with yourself and take all of this very personally, hence your hostility and butthurt.
Oh, I see, so anyone defending a character is self-inserting, is that it ESL?

The Chad Toyota

Ford is better
Subaru would stomp Kiritos head in

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kys

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I for one actually like Subaru.

He has some actually relatable personality and a selfish goal rather than a shallow superhero type or a bland self insert.
And of course he gets frustrated given that he saves everybody and they still treat him like shit.
The other characters are also reasonably distrustful, almost like it was a serious fiction or something.

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>blessed by the witch
>prideful
Will Subaru actually become the Bishop of Pride?

Read the dark lord Subaru if

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My kind of character.

cute taste

>Subaru is optimal self insert: you start imagining all the things you would do different.
That's not self-inserting retard, that's just having an imagination.

feisty children

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I checked out on normalfag sites I don't want to name anime subleddit and youtubeand I am amazed how most of the people don't know subaru loves rem and are butthurt by that
Like, if 90% of the animefaggots ship them, how didn't they do a little of research to know that they are a thing?

Are butthurt by subaru not loving her*

Imagine being this much a legit coward. Guess its nice and safe in your mommy dearest's basement, huh?

I guess those are old posts and most people are currently aware, but you are gonna make me check
>animemes: subaru isn't a man of culture because he doesn't love emilia
>literally no one of the comments brings out he loves rem
Either you are right or reddit is even more retarded than I expected. Maybe both

>only one comment posting he loves her in the novels
>a billion of contrarians hating on rem and saying emilia is best girl to feel like special snowflakes
>headcanons of subaru having ptsd from rem killing her over and over (once)
My fucking sides

I can't fucking wait for this to come back, the shit storm and memes that go on when it's airing are beautiful. I think only School Days ever topped it

Fuck schooldays stupid whore killed the best guy

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>Saved everybody through personal pain and nobody remember
I cant say I blame him for getting piss

Most people on plebbit and yt comment section are actual children

He's so cute

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Fuck the reddit fags (except me)

It was funny

So does Subaru's curse where he's obsessed with Emilia ever get broken?

Never watched the show, but this guy looks so fucking retarded in most screencaps he's in

Well, I liked the story and the suffering.

No, but to be fair part of that is probably genuine, since he even literally becomes a bit of a yandere for rem in the later novels while not having any curse (in one chapter ram and him are poisoned by the witch miasma and ram puts his love for rem in doubt, and he tries to kill her. Patrasche eats them

>dumb entitled teen being dumb and entitled after getting cheat powers

oh no, the MC of my anime has actual flaws and personality instead of being the perfect mary sue, someone stop it!

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Wtf I can't self insert into that! I hate it!

His body resets so he'll have no gains.

It’s what would happen if a Yea Forumsnon who has a elf fetish was sent to another world