Anime protags

Soul Vs. Souless.

Compared to the average MC from modern anime, Shinji was a fucking chad.

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that's what you get for watching anime with m*les

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>lina and major
>females

The west is allergic to masculinity, they have been taken over by the women.
Japan makes anime for money, money comes from west. Do the math

>money comes from west
not really

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Good MC coming through.

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>if we sum up banana with motortrucks we get cat
What.

>money comes from west
no it doesn't

Not most of it but still a percentage.

name 20 post 2006+ protagonists who could fix the right side.
no remakes.

i will give you Simon and Tanya Degurachaff for starters

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I unironically tried this once because I had thought that OP was a cherrypicking cunt, turns out he was actually right.

In Denji we trust.

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I hate the shitty self insert light novel mc.
You know which one I'm talking about.

there are like 10 of those on the picture

How can you unironically be this retarded, the west doesnt support anime at all, they all torrent, even the normalfags.

well there are some exceptions

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I'm a bit suprised that gokek isn't on the right side as well since he's an absolute joke in dbs

>"anime is over"
No anime is not over, but the demographic has changed drastically.

It no longer caters to me.
I only watch old anime and yes I'm a teen poser.
"my generation sucks anime was soo much better in the olden days"

>i will give you Simon
Ok, so you're an idiot who only watches highly popular garbage.

How popular do they have to be? Because Qwenser and Hevia from Heavy Object aren't exactly generic LN protagonists, and they take initiative to get shit done. Designs aren't exactly inspired, though.

Also, there was Drifters and Attack on Titan.

more like 20

I miss Lina, Kyousuke is ok Fuck the rest

based moefag/waifufag

>Simon
Cardboard

Onizuka?

Worse

>Tanya
>Good MC
Stupid retard

Satou Matsuzaka

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Hei (DtB), Joe (Megalo Box [not a remake]), Dandy, Shichika Yasuri, Toyohisa Shimazu, Mordred, Immortal Sugimoto, Ryuuko Matoi, the ConRevo MC
I gave up here.

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no

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Naofumi from Shield Bro belongs in the left side

>Otaku transported to another world
He is in the right trash where he belongs.

Naofumi is literal shit

Simon (Guren Lagann)
Tanya (Youjo Senki)
Hei (DtB)
Sinbad (Magi: Sinbad's Adventures)
Joe (Megalo Box)
Jinzaburo (Angolmois)
Worick/Nicolas (Gangsta)
Goblin Slayer (Goblin Slayer)
Tigre (Vanadis)
Ainz Ooal Gown (Overlord)
Kennosuke (Kuromukuro)
Sugimoto (Golden Kamuy)
Inferno Cop (Inferno Cop)
Ninja Slayer (Ninja Slayer)
Akari Hizamaru (Terraformars)
Toru Acura (Chaika the Coffin Princess)
Sword (Garo: Vanishing Line)
Kouichi (Daimidaler)
I'd keep going but my computer keeps crashing and it's bullshit. Since Goku is on the left as a 'great' protagonist, and he's an idiotic brick voiced by an old woman for the last 30 years, any other shounen MC is equally good to toss in there, so Asta (Black Clover), Deku (BnHA), Natsu (Fairy Tail), Maka (Soul Eater), Toriko (Toriko), Meliodas (Seven Deadly Sins), etc... you could probably get 20 just from that.

For185909498
Nice bait.

Best modern protagonist coming.

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Fuck off

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>old good new bad: the thread

So what you're saying is, the medium hasn't experienced an influx of unlikable self-insert vehicles?

Yeah, protagonists now are filled with unlikable self-inserts.

I think we all know who is responsible. The turning point.

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Unless the story was put together by a committee I think the chances are the protagonist will almost always be an extension of the creator. So judging by the two pictures what's probably occurred is the average age of story creator's are simply getting younger.
This would also explain another observation which is that the art style is far more gritty in the older average picture and fanciful in the younger average. The storylines I'm assuming are also probably harsher and more cynical in the older picture and more upbeat and romantic in the younger picture.
I've only seen a small amount of the shows represented in both pictures though so just a guess.

Don't kid yourself, the 90s and 80s were full of rom-com and bland high school protagonists too.

Any character who's entire personality is having the moral high ground is irredeemable shit. Even pure do nothing generic pussies are better written than those walking author megaphones (this isn't refering to the characters on the left, just some retards brought up such characters to refute the OP).

Watch more shows.

Some recs?

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Ah it's this thinly veiled rec thread we have every week again..

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I get the point you're trying to make, but OP's pic is entirely made up from mainstream, extremely popular shows.

Your pic is just trying to find opposite examples but almost all the examples are from lesser-known and even obscure shows.

Even the most casual anime watcher can probably identify 90% of OP's protags, but would probably struggle to name more than 3 or 4 from your pic.

Many of the modern protagonists in OP's pic are seasonal protagonists who don't have any recognition outside of the season in which they aired. Only a handful of those protagonists have any staying power, a casual anime watcher would only recognize a third of those modern protagonists and the rest would be "literally who" or "they look familiar but the're too generic to remember"

What? These shows are unpopular and obscure:
>Mob
>Overlord
>Samflam
>T&B
>Golden Kamui
>K. Basket
>Kaiji/Akagi
>Free
>Code Gayass
Really? These are more popular than most OP's protags. And most of OPs ones will be forgotten when the next flavor of the month comes. Anyway my point is pretty clear. And I'm just going to repeat that we have this nait thread every single weak.

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I'm sure I've seen (and then dropped) several of the new shows the boys on the right are from but I couldn't identify a single one because they literally ARR ROOK SAME now and my old brain tends to forget things that don't make a strong impression on me.

every character on the right is literally me lol

Romcoms were extremely popular in the 80s and 90s for sure. The fact that you're 12 years old and don't know anything about anime before your time doesn't make user's point invalid.

You know OP has a point when people are this desperate to even compare female with male MC's.

Eren's become pretty damn good.

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You know that that image was parodying the average retard who claims the 80s and 90s was some sort of golden age for manime while also claiming modern anime was all cute girls, right?

t. OP

cuckren

t. faggot

Shinji is Resident Evil 4 personified. Good in a vacuum but ruined everything that came afterwards.

t.retarded faggot

>"I-If i say it enough times surely it'll become true!"
Desperate.

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>modern
He's been around for like 15 years.

Why the fuck is Joe in the left side? Also
>Jotaro in the right side
This is fucking retarded. Oh I forgot that this image was made by an ironic weeb for whom JoJo started in 2012

If Resident Evil 4 was a manga/anime it would be Dragon Ball. It's good but it spawned tons of uninspired modern shonenshit with gay protagonists

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Those charts are made by people who are trying to refute OPs point but completely missed it.

One outs
Psychopass
Darker than black
B: The beggining
Hinamatsuri
Barakamon
Inuyashiki
Mahotsukai no yome
Overlord
No game no life
Zankyou No terror
Death parade

Fugo?

>Overlord
>No game no life
>Zankyou No terror
kek

No, there always was shoneneshit and there always would've been shonenshit regardless of DBZ. EVA and Shinji in particular is what killed of the manly man main character and gave us endless version of the pathetic, perverted teenage protagonist.

Those used to exist but usually only to be whipped into shape by some father figure or simply the realness of the world they are exploring but thanks to Shinji they have become insanely prominent and permanent in their brokeness, doomed to never have any character arch other than their inability to change and grow according to the situation.

Better.

Rito alone could cuck anyone on the left by mere accident.

Man, remember when Ashita no Joe, Cowboy Bebop, and Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo were airing in the same decade? Born too late

Yeah, Wolf Boy Ken was the best though

>Sword (Garo: Vanishing Line)

Absolutely based. 100% agreed with you right there.

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based

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Old anime
>GAR and cute girls
New anime
>gay shit and cute girls
Old thing good new thing bad but unironically when it comes to anime

>gay shit
where
bitch where

Every protagonist is like Shinji and Tsuna Sawada Also LN adaptations

old anime was a lot gayer than current

But gay in a good way, like leather biker outfits and Freddie Mercury mustbutfuckassstaches now it's gay in the bad I'm sucha birch I want to suck cocks way.

Modern otaku don't want to watch a story, they just want to self-insert into a whiny faggot and live their power fantasy. It's pathetic and they know it, hence why self inserts always get triggered by those threads.

>I'm a teen poser.
There was never any doubt.
If you weren't a poser, you would know, that even back then, that most anime was uninspired, people are just too lazy, and lack the autism to make a similar chart to yours.

Consider this:
Despire your pretentions, you want self-inserts because you love garbage, and the reason you dislike modern characters is because they aren't self inserts for you.

>Modern otaku don't want to watch a story, they just want to self-insert into a whiny faggot and live their power fantasy.
This so much

Calm down i was just joking

For both sides, a retard could claim that any of the characters have no personalities except having the moral highground. For every case, they would be wrong.
>Any character who's entire personality is having the moral high ground is irredeemable shit.
This is just one of those meaningless things nuCritics say to appear to have substance. And it's shit, like most things that come out their mouths. Even characters who usually do the right thing have other aspects of their personalities that differentiate them from the other do gooders. People just lack the understanding and empathy to realize it. That, and they are desperate to push narratives.

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>even back then, that most anime was uninspired
That is such a lazy cope. Most of everything being made is always shit, most music produced is shit, most food cooked is amateurish, etc... because great things that require skill and effort are rare, always.

That doesn't change that the fact that today even the better stuff has some serious issues. Not saying everything is worse, I would say some of the writing is better now, especially in kind of trashy action stuff because shows aren't episodic garbage anymore. Still content wise and in terms of animation, the otakus and change to digital really hurt the quality or what I and others specifically liked in anime.

I'm not even autistically complaining about digital itself, I'm sure digital could be wonderful if the old styles and tones would have been maintained better and the younger generations of artists had been trained better but making art on computers is easier and skills have eroded as a result of that, it's undeniable, I'm not a luddite, the tech is better and that is good but the end product has taken a gigantic hit because of that technical improvement.

I hope things will one day change for the better again. Anime looked like shit in the 60s and 70s, then it got magically better in the 80s. I hope japs master computer graphics and relearn style and anatomy sometime while I'm still alive to witness the second coming of the golden age.

Is that why you faggots watch anime? Thank god for the popularity of the term, "self-insert". It lets retards roleplay as critics. You can use it to refer to any character of any competence, and thereby imply that a character is bad because it isn't mediocre.

Have you considered that some people just want escapism that allows them to follow stories about people that are nothing like them but the most entertaining to watch? It's telling that you go straight to self insert. It tells me that you aren't even able to relate to other people that aren't exactly like you because you never interact with anybody and really only know and care about your pathetic self.

The problems now don't change the fact that the problems back then were even worse, and that if you really lived in the time, you would know in general that everything is much better, especially in terms of animation.

A lot of you posers like to jack off to the detailed animations from ovas and movies, but back then pic related was one of the best shows, better than average, and usually, you don't even get the electric sparks in the background. Nothing but pure blue. Everything else was much worse, but you will find, I'm sure, people who will claim that the old style backgrounds were more detailed.

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Those beta MCs are mean to self-insert, you're gonna deny it?

I'm sure other people insert into characters that are nothing like them because you can insert into anyone, which makes the complaint about self inserts even more useless. And yes, it seems you, illiterate, are now accusing me of going straight to self insert because i disagreed with someone (you maybe?) who went straight to self insert.

This is how the retarded mental gymnastics of someone who cries self insert works:
"The character has no personality. It's telling you go straight to self insert."
"This character has the personality of the average viewer. It's telling you go straight to self insert."
"This character has a completely different personality to the reader. It's telling you go straight to self insert."
"I hate all these characters I cannot or refuse to relate to because they are designed to be easy to agree with or relate to."
"This, manly man, however. This man who embodies all I want myself to be. This is good. Because it's not a self insert."

Admiration=/= self-inserting

>The problems now don't change the fact that the problems back then were even worse
I think I've admitted that with the writing problems that I mentioned. That's the worst for me personally because I hate episodic writing, even good stuff like Ranma or City hunter is impossible to binge watch because the episodic writing just kills me if I try to watch even just a couple of episodes in a row. So that's undeniably better now that pretty much everything has strong overarching story lines that are shorter and with almost no filler episodes.

>and that if you really lived in the time, you would know in general that everything is much better, especially in terms of animation.
No, I will strongly contest that. First off all, OVAs were a thing and now they are not anymore, so only comparing TV to TV as if OVA never existed is not fair. But even then, you really have to compare shit with shit if you want to go into the gutter, let's go there. I will take still images that are shaken in front of the camera with generic battle noises in the background over CGI berserk ANY FUCKING DAY. Shit versus shit, the old shit is till better. Your move, fag.

High budget shows always had good animation and still do as long as they are free of CGI backgrounds, cars, ceiling fans and worst of all people walking in the background or just fuck it EVERYTHING like in Berserk, which are so horrendously bad, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING bad from the past can surpass them in terms of shit that looks horrendous and horrendously out of place. Old shit that was crap at least looked uniformly bad.

that's really sad for modern protagonists

You ought to "self insert" into every character. It's called basic empathy. If you are implying that they have no personality, like the character in videogames that doesn't even talk, then yes, I'm going to deny it. You can see it in their every choice that diverges or agrees with you own, and with every line of dialogue.

Those MCs have their own stories to tell, or children to inspire, and values to impart that the watcher may disagree with. That guy who wants to marry his sister in oreimo weird. He is a standard self insert because he had a harem, I guess. I want nothing to do with it, but there is something entertaining about watching a guy self destruct like he did, which i wouldn't find in another "beta mc".

Look at subaru from ReZero's arrogance. It hurts just watching it, and through it I can relate to him far more than, again, the other "beta mc"s.

Look at a "beta" MC: Haha he is so pathetic, his purpose is for betas to see themselves in him.
Look at a "alpha" MC: Haha he is so manly, his purpose is for betas to live through him.
Everything is a self insert if you are dishonest enough: Lupin, Spike, Guts, Son Goku.

this

wow, you are clearly retarded

>You ought to "self insert" into every character. It's called basic empathy.
No, empathy is not the same as a self insert. A self insert is living vicariously through a character that already resembles you. There is no empathy needed because the self insert is modeled after you, yourself, you god damned dumbass. Jesus Christ.

you are a 16-18 year old japanese high school boy? I kinda doubt that

oh wow joe from megalo box a direct rip off of ashita no joe

Worick is based enough to make up for at least 10 beta MCs.

>Goblin Slayer
>Ainz Ooal Gown
>Tanya
All crap.

Anime protagonists then
>gary stus with zero flaws, also they're all good at combat
Anime protagonists now
>actual characters with varying personality, flawed, and grows as a character overtime

He belongs in a trash bin.

>Look at a "alpha" MC: Haha he is so manly, his purpose is for betas to live through him.
>Everything is a self insert if you are dishonest enough: Lupin, Spike, Guts, Son Goku.
No, you idiot, that's called a power fantasy, not a self insert. It's a completely different trope, you low IQ retard. Self insert is not relating to the character, Self insert is not wanting to be like the character. Self insert is usually a content creator making an idealized version of himself the main character. In anime that is even more intense as it is usually made by otaku for otaku. So the main character is as bland and generic as possible, with the idealisation taking place mostly in the immensely pleasurable environment this avatar for the average joe(suke) is thrown into as opposed to the idealization of the creators self insert in Western media. That way it appeals to as many people as possible, it's an ego jerk for the watcher and creators at the same time without even having to make the leap of pretending to be better than they actually are, just laying back an watching something resembling their pathetic selves stumble pathetically through adventures filled with cute girls and it ALWAYS THE FUCKING SAME BLAND SHIT.

It is so boring.

Kaze no Stigma
Monogatari
Steins;Gate
Dantalian no Shoka
FMA:B
Terror in Resonance
Oregairu
Shingeki no Bahamut
Schwarzesmarken
Mahouka

It was never trying to hide that it was a homage series for the 50th anniversary of AnJ

Not really, he doesn't resemble Joe at all.

>Overkek
Fuck off virgin

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>>actual characters with varying personality, flawed, and grows as a character overtime
Haha, screaming retards making gay faces are not 'actual characters with varying personality'. As one great man once said
>this garbage is an insult to life itself

Tomoya (Clannad)

>There is no empathy needed because the self insert is modeled after you
This isn't true. It's the lack of empathy that causes most plebs to misunderstand the motivations of most modern MCs. No character is modeled after you, yourself, although there might be superficially similarities, such as both being office workers or students. Look at your coworkers, however, and I'm sure you will deny that you don't need any empathy to live through them. All these characters have different personalities that people disagree with, see the hate for being a "beta"- a character modeled with the watcher in mind would screw their harems - and you require empathy to resolve this disagreements and live vicariously through them.

It's the same empathy you would require to live vicariously through Conan the Barbarian even if you are a skinny neet in real life. The only difference is that one word is associated with good things, and the other is associated with bad things. Deceptive word games, nothing more.

Soon.

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>isekai character
>incel
>manchild face
nah

>Goblin Slayer
>crap

>not liking the best comedy manga in years

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The difference between admiration and self inserting is that one applies to yourself and the other one applies to other people. It tries to solve the cognitive dissonance between disdaining other people for liking a powerful character you don't like, and liking powerful characters yourself.

He's the crappiest one.

It's not word games, you just refuse to use the correct definitions of established terms.

Also it is Western audiences that complain about the beta characteristics of the MCs but they are designed as self inserts for meek Japanese otaku, not filthy loudmouth gaijin.

It's also worth noting that in the 80s Japan went though an economic boom, same as the US. So there was generally more confidence and a more positive outlook for the future this is represented in media from the time in general. Its not just anime that was better in the 80s. Every Hollywood movie worth watching was made in the 80s basically.

>varying personality
good one user

Sometimes you can see it even in two versions of the same series. In the new version both the protagonist and the antagonist look faggier (also one of them even became a literal cuckold). Modern anime hates manliness.

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The definitions change as people scramble to include shows they don't like and exclude shows they do. It's like the term mary sue.

As counter-intuitive as it is, I have found that betas in general are less tolerant to beta-behavior than chads. It's this weird thing where you are quick to hate people that are like you, and don't act as your ideal. Let's not pretend they don't like the shows on the left.

On the other hand, you see a show like MHA. The hero was a weak, bullied kid who had to be bribed with superpowers to lift, and it's popular with the kind of normies who in general are higher on the social ladder than dedicated otaku. Somehow, they are more compassionate to the meek and the faulty, and have an easier time relating to and living through a character.

I think that's because they identify with that beta character so much they get more angry when that character screws up and loses out instead of being rewarded for being a bitch boy fuckup.

I haven't watched MHA but isn't it a pretty standard shonenshitshow? I don't think anybody inherently has anything against reluctant heroes that withstand the call to arms at first and say fuck your shit to some big challenge that throws their lives out of balance.

I would guess though that if that show is so popular with normies then the protagonist probably grows out of his initial resistance and over times becomes more competent and dependable. Normies love watching shows about character growth, they love seeing the underdog fuckup apply himself and become a goodboy conformist that ultimately succeeds because of his learned skills and life lessons.