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It would have been right for your mother.

I have two dads though...

what are you a mind reader?

I'm still fucking mad about this
Fuck you

>not being pro-choice
What are you, sub 90 IQ?

What a horrible character.

How could she even consider killing an innocent?

and yet posting here only proves that you needed more positive male role models in your life

Well, yes it can be argued that it is wrong. You have deprived life of its potential to grow and die on natural terms. Where exactly human life begins is a little murky, but it can't be argued to begin at the sperm or the egg in isolation. Emission and ovulation will always occur, but their union will not. However, if you had the opportunity to legally kill someone or something for the sake of your own quality of life, would you do it? I can't say for sure if I would or would not. No BS about it being about preventing the kid from living a shitty life, most people would prefer something to nothing. It be purely for my benefit. I can't really rationalize abortion being good.

If you lived in a world torn apart by war like Sister, seeing countless bodies of children pile up by the thousands, you might take on a pro-life stance. The child being the product of rape doesn't change that the child itself is innocent in her eyes. She just wanted to give as many children as she could the opportunity to live their lives away from all the violence. Also, the doctor is never chastised for suggesting abortion. I don't think Sara is treated like a bad person because she considers the abortion and even attempts to do one herself. The show never really downplays the trauma of what she experienced. She's perfectly justified in not wanting to have the baby.

I might be coming off as very pro-life here but again I really don't have a proper answer, as I sure as fuck have no idea what I would do in that situation. I might just want to go back to my normal life and flush it out. Obviously the show has an answer and that might affect the quality for you, but I sort of appreciate it.

liblube bullying people into agreeing with them as usual

so who was the father anyway?

was it the ugly fat soldier?

You're reaching for stupid points padawan, it's the boo box for you.

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No one knows. It depends on how long she was getting raped and who got her during her most vulnerable period.

You seem to labor under a delusion about your own status, my big green friend.

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I do say user, this post of yours is quite based and redpilled. Keep up the excellent work my friend

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Batter up boy should have stayed in ocean land, helped her raise it, and gave her more.

8 billion people is more than enough. We should be putting chemicals in the water to make people infertile, and only allowing smart & attractive people to breed.

Does this show count as isekai? Also, what was up with the blatant Empire Strikes Back rip-off?

I don't think thats what the series was trying say. I don't think it was trying to say anything really. It was just a subplot and you can draw your own conclusions about the topic.

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Source?

Why do you hate yourself so much?

How would papa Bondrewd handle an inconvenient pregnancy?

Because I'm autistic.

based and redpilled

Pro-choice is the scapegoat from personal responsibility. Of course, I would support it in cases of rape or incest. Then you would also get people abusing that law.

Terrible show.

I watched the anime a long time ago so i don't remember it at all, but it's implied that one soldier rejected rape her, which is the one who tried to save her, but not the fatso one, so it might be his baby

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Not according to numbers 5 11-31

2/10

Shu is typical boy protagonist who is energetic and absurdly naïve. He’s the messianic “voice of reason” in the series who is the main problem with Now and Then, Here and There. Shu is thrown into a foreign world, tortured, whipped, beaten, kicked, hanged, shot, and pecked on by a bird yet his only thought in mind is to save the magic girl who he barely talked to for 3 minutes. His every other line is “Where is Lala-ru?” or “I have to save Lala-ru!” or simply “Lala-ru!” He suffers no psychological trauma from so much punishment and is still the moral compass for a “world gone mad” as a cheery cheeky Japanese adolescent. I’d rather ask what is wrong with him, is the Japanese education system so thorough that they include torture resistance lessons? Even Jesus on the cross asked “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Lala-ru is no better as she is the archetypal ice girl(or water in this case) with little dialogue and even lesser interest. She is simply an object to be fought over rather than a character. The chief antagonist is King Hamdo, who is a generic insane leader, he is a bore to watch. He rants and such, but his script and behavior is ever so recycled. These three inhuman freaks dominate the screen time while more nuanced and human characters like Nabuca, Abelia and Sara take a backseat.

For an anime that brings up so many real problems of child soldiers, slavery, rape, abortion and war, it sure dodges any solution or resolution. The ending is so saccharin and unsatisfying, one must ask, what was the point? Shu repeats his mantra ad naseum, “As long as you’ve got your life, something good is bound to happen.” This lazy conclusion is sickening and pathetic when faced with these atrocities. Now and Then, Here and There tries to add realism to the majou shoujo genre yet its result is even more unrealistic and ends up worse off; it’s sad pathetic experiment for all the wrong reasons.

This reminds me of that doujin on EX where the kids were fucking and the boy tries to falcon punch the girl into an abortion, and the baby ends up disfigured.
Said doujin had product placement for condoms so I think it was commissioned by a condom company.

I hated this piece of shit anime so much. Garbage worldbuilding and characters. Absolutely baffled it's so praised.

I loved the part where Big Sis goes 'VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER' while hitting children over the head.

jej

clever nips

>villain is evil because that's what villains should do
Shit show.

>majou shoujo
wait what?

Abortion should be mandatory for niggers weebs and faggots like OP.

>one soldier rejected rape her
What a faggot.

So you want to poison the water in africa?

What a bizarre fucking show that was

Do aborted babies go to Hell?

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I think we can all agree that the world would have been a better place if Asuka had been aborted.

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That's correct.
It does not mean the state should be given power to punish the girl that aborts and neither the man that did the rape though.

A good christian girl would never abort her child.

Violence is only right when plot shield said it was okay even though plot says it never is!

I hate her

Did I not make that obvious?

Did you just equate a bonk on the head to murder?

Fuck i hate her

>said while he posted here

I don't understand why she chose to stay. I mean, that world really sucked. I'd have left the niglets to die, then gone home and had an abortion.

Abortion turns me on.

It's because it's dystopian, post-apoc and edgy, something weebs fucking drool over. Apart from mindless moeblob brain rot, obviously.

fpbp

Pro-Child-Murder y'mean.

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I had just watched it a month ago, they devoted a whole mini-arc to him, I'm pretty sure he was the second guy because she killed the fat guy and escaped. The dad is the one who finds the village and tries to escape with her before the invasion, and he saves the kid slaves in the end.

I'll never understand why people praised this show so much, it was suffering porn

you just answered your own question

High-stakes adventure with really weird tone. Also really short so you don't sacrifice much time for it anyways.
Its not exactly a masterpiece but its a pretty enjoyable watch

That rape scene made me diamond hard.

then they shouldve aborted you still

Yet Japan is a-ok with abortion

Talking about LaLaLu at the ending

Unless the child is retarded/misshapen or the childbirth is a danger to the woman then yeah, child murder IS wrong.

People equate misery and suffering with good writing
there's outliers ofcourse but most times is a crutch by the writer to make you like a character because shitty things happen to them

>thinking a small chunk of meat and incomplete cells is a baby

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>or incest
I hope you would also kill the unborn children of 40+ years old women to at least stay consistent. Fucking murderhobo.
Abortion is only OK if the mother's life is at significant risk or the child is braindead.

its still not free, which is fucked up because many times women who want to get abortions are the ones who can't afford them

but they have leeway with women under a limited economic situation

You lack higher cognitive functions so I think it's still not to late to abort you.

>oh no the state doesn't help you to commit premeditated murder
How will the humanity ever recover?! I'm about to an hero because of this injustice!

I don't care about abortion in rape cases, but are you retarded? There are tons of different birth controls, which are often given out FOR FUCKING FREE (which is already cancerous and unfair to people who don't fuck, when you could just as well give everyone money and let people decide for themselves)... but to then say that people who end up pregnant despite receive FREE birth controls should receive a FREE abortion on top? If anything, they should be PUNISHED for ending up pregnant regardless. In addition to just paying for the abortion themselves. What you are preaching is literally some form of "anti-social is aryan." That is anti-social people being more and more privileged, while others are declared subhuman for not being anti-fucking-social enough.

seething christcuck

I'm agnostic.

virgin freak

miss me with those spooks

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Yeah, probably. Which is why sterilization is the superior method.

Personally I'd just sterilize anyone with naturally black hair, and give fertility drugs to everyone else. I figure society would undergo massive change and possibly collapse, but it'd be an interesting ride.

I'd probably get an abortion because I'm a hypocrite and your religion shitposting has nothing to do with issue at hand. Murder is still something wrong.

Cry more bitch nigga.

Counterpoint: Ectopic pregnancies. You can't kill what will never be alive in the first place, but you will be actively allowing the mother to die by not removing the fetus.

Having free-for-all abortions paid for by the state just because of a few hard cases that you can easily legislate for is a retarded stance.

That's the textbook definition of a strawman.

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>Oh shit someone called me out, better post a reaction image and hope nobody notices
sad 2bh

All you did was say you thought my post was fallacious. Not much left for me to do.

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Shu doesn't make a lot sense as a character per se, same for other things that the show has such as King Hamdo and his dictatorship. But he works well for the message that show tries to convey.
Shu, with sister, is the only character that strives to find hope and a future for a hopeless world that every sane person would just erase with nukes. Even Sara at one point to reassure some children says the same things as Shu that she didn't want to hear them.
Same for other things that use very strong subjects it will piss off people left and right. I wish more shows would be daring as this one.

Jeez I just watched this last week.
This is some top fucking shit, so refreshing after all these self-insert otaku fantasies.
But Hamdo's greatest evil is his disgusting bowl-cut.

Anime name?

Imo, Soko ni Iru Boku
Now and Then, Here and There

*Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku

Pro choice is anti-nigger, which is why I am pro choice.

based and niggerpilled

>tfw dark isekai that isnt wish fulfillment in an RPG

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This was so fucking stupid. I still don't get why she stayed. She should've just gotten an abortion and left that hell hole.
What really got me was that the stupid fucking MC never learned a lesson. He stayed just as he was in the beginning of the anime without realizing he was a naive dumbfuck.

Nah he raped her.
She was terrified when she met him again.

It's not wrong when it's funny.

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Always right for 12 year olds or younger. Always right for rape in general.

Do you believe in the death penalty for rapists?

You make this man proud, user.

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>Abortion turns me on.
What did you think about that Granblue doujin?

I'm pretty sure the fat dude was the father. Ugly fat men always have the most potent seed.

>talks to RaRaRu for ten seconds
>follows her into hell world
>meets Sara
>"omg pls help i'm being raped a dozen times every day"
>"....RARARU? where rararu?"
>immediately forgets about Sara and goes to look for RaRaRu
>forgets about her entirely
>meets her again and immediately bullies her into keeping her rape baby

Shu was a heartless motherfucker

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>you now remember Bitter Virgin

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>stay. I mean, that world really sucked. I'd have left the niglets to die, then gone home and had an abortion.

She's a kind person that's don't want to abandon her friends and kill her baby, unlike you

You know I used to support abortion until I saw an ex-doctor explaining how late term abortion was basically them ripping apart the baby inside of a woman piece by piece after starting off with crushing the fetsu's skull.

why not have abelia warp everyone into the past?

Could some anons tell me why western & american culture today
are so obsessive with abortion and
seems to want to justify it as much as possible ?

>American culture
Why are you conflating insane liberals in the US who represent the far left as being the mainstream, user?

If it's a gaijin, of course.

It's just another front in the culture war that's raging in murrica.

The birth rate of Europe has been relatively stable for a very long time, and it's projection rates are actually below replacement.
China, India, and all of Africa on the other hand are projected to rise, with India and China being the worst environmental polluters by far with their current population (i.e. only going to get worse), and Africa's population is exploding like crazy right now.

The idea that "we" should be limiting "our" breeding rates is absurd. You're either a disingenuous person or you swallowed all the propaganda like it was pure butter you fat retard.

>rampant genital mutilation
Why do the abortions surprise you? Clearly somewhere up the line too much dessert fucker dna got in and more than half are fucking crazy

If a fetus is a life, and you wish to preserve the sanctity of life, then you should not make exceptions for rape or incest. The child did nothing wrong to warrant its death.
If you don't care about the life of the fetus, then you're simply trying to punish the woman or couple for their actions. I would say lack of personal responsibility but birth control can fail.

They don't have to raise the child, they can give it up for adoption. But the moment you allow exceptions for "rape or incest", then you say "your personal comfort is more important than the life of the child" and you open the flood gates.

To be honest, I remember he did not take much with Sara either. They just start to become friends, and then Sara got to send to become sex slave.
As for the abortion thing, any boy with a kind heart and the same age would probably do that in the same situation.
Sara is basically going to hit herself with rock and kill a baby in front of him.
And he didn't bullies her, he use himself as a shield to let her hit him with the rock.
However, I would said that Sara
wasn't even thinking about abortion before Shu and RaRaRu showed up, them showing up in front to her bring all her bad memories and experience back.

It used to be thought they go to limbo, but since that has been retconned, they're not "born" with original sin so the thought is they go to heaven or are reincarnated, depending on belief system.

I agree with what you said, partially. There is a difference between punishing a woman for abortion and not allowing her to legally obtain one in the first place.

>"I don't want to give birth to the spawn of some fat ugly rapist."
>NO YOU HAVE TO, I'M STOPPING YOU OUT THE KINDNESS OF MY HEART

god all japs being messed up in the head with their collectivism

It's simple. The US is undergoing a societal views war. It used to be that the building block of society was the family. Marriage was important, babies and raising them were important, and other such things.

The liberals started pushing for individualism though. Sure, women can vote, why not? When it used to be one vote per family, carried out by the man. "Individual's choice" because the rallying cry of the left.
>It's a woman's body, she can do what she wants with it! Even if she decides to kill the baby growing inside her.
>Two men can decide what they want to do to each other's anuses even if it's not productive at all!
>It is the choice of a person to take hormones to pretend to change their sex, even though that's impossible!
>It is the choice of children to be able to do that as well!

Thus, the west is suffering from "individual freedom" to the expense of those negatively affected by those said "freedoms", such as the influenceable, or the vulnerable.

That is a mostly unbiased view. I could give you my own stance, which involves a certain group hating what is good, natural, right, and proper, and thus leading media propaganda to push for these things and fundamentally shift society, but if you care to hear that there's already enough said for you to know what I mean.

>You have deprived life of its potential to grow and die on natural terms
Define "natural".

And I'm sure that dusty old novel or invisible man in the sky is a very good reference for what constitutes "good", "natural", "right", and "proper".

>muh spooks

Of course it is. Human life is sacred. However, the Japanese tend to love abortion, unfortunately.

>you're allowed to prevent others from using your bodily organs for the purpose of saving human lives after you die
>but you can't refuse the use of your uterus while you're alive

She literally tried to bash her stomach with a rock, and to drown herself.

That would require you remove the baby without harming it and then let it die you cant stir it to death first

If you're only way of deconstructing the argument is to shrug your shoulders and leave things entirely up to subjectivity then you're not going to be providing much compelling rhetoric. It's fairly safe to say that going to a doctor and getting an abortion is not exactly a natural means of ending life, or in this case life's potential. Neither would getting shot. Someone else taking conscious action to end another life is not a natural end. Dying from a preventable disease that you could have taken steps to avoid is where you might find more ambiguity, but that's not what's being discussed. To lump such a thing in with it would be dishonest argumentation.

The morality being accessed here has nothing to do with religion.

>dishonest argumentation
And fallaciously appealing to nature is honest argumentation?

>Someone else taking conscious action to end another life is not a natural end
Assuming you mean "conscious" in the sense of a human level intelligence's decision making process:
We've had tribal wars for as long as we've existed as a species. It's argued that violence is a part of human nature.

Alternatively, if you were to define natural actions as those capable of being accomplished by non-technological species, then it becomes impossible to correlate natural and good.

>The morality being accessed here
Then you should define its parameters. I can infer that the prolongation of life of human organisms is one such principle of said morality, but the rest is vague. Is there a priority of quantity or quality of the life of human organisms? Or perhaps neither, simply that those that presently exist should be kept alive as long as reasonably possible?

If the anime really wanted to send a message, Shu should've suffered more, learned he was a naive fuck, and should've taken a gun to kill the dictator at the end. It would've been a great coming of age story where the character is forced to abandon his childish beliefs and forced to accept the cruelty of the world around him.
Instead, Sara got fucked (both literally and figuratively), forced to mature and abandon her innocence of the world, forced to keep a rape baby because of the naive fuck guilt tripping her into it, and forced to stay in a hell hole while Shu remained the same naive fuck as always and got to go back to his world without ever learning a lesson.

Shu never actually talked to LaLa Ru either, he was the only one talking for those 10 seconds. Why he was so obsessed with her but ignored Sara, the only other person from his world and the only other person he talked to and could see eye to eye, made no fucking sense. It was as if the hack writers could only write the typical shonen MC and lacked the creativity to think outside the box besides adding some shock value. Shock value that fails to make Shu grow as a person and leaves Shu the same as he started by the end. The dictator was also a retarded fuck, how he ever managed to stay in power made no sense.

I finished the anime a week ago, I did like it specially because its not like any other anime but its just so heavily flawed and makes one realize that even when an anime tries to be original its still held back by hack writers who are deeply obsessed with sticking with the same old tired anime tropes.

It's actually a little bizarre how the main characters (Shu, Hamdo, Lala Ru) are complete dogshit and the secondary/tertiary characters (Nabuca, Tabool, Sara, Abelia) are well-rounded and compelling.

The show was a disaster, but Nabuca's segments were incredible. The entire show should have been about him.

I don't agree with compounding what some might argue to be behaviorally natural with what is naturally dying, because you have to ignore other aspects of humans for that to make any sense in all scenarios. If humans are naturally immoral murderers, then there is no point in defending abortion as a moral action, which is what my main issue was. I could not find any reasoning as to how abortion is "good." I cannot argue that the murder of an innocent who can't defend themselves for the sake of your own quality of life is moral. Humans might naturally kill each other out of self interest but they're also naturally empathetic and family oriented.

I don't believe I'd give any priority to the value of life's potential based on what sort of life they could be predicted to live.

I'm going to bed, user. I'm not trying to bail on you, because I would like to see your response.

Really agree. A Nabuca based anime would've been great.

So in that case, instead of the behavioral cause of inflicting death, you focus on the means by with death is inflicted? Death by non technological means is less bad than death by technological means, regardless of the intent behind inflicting such a death (except perhaps in a case where not inflicting death would imminently result in more deaths)?

Whether or not abortion is moral depends on the priorities of the system of your morality. If you prioritize human happiness, a family would be happier without the burden of unwanted responsibility, while an embryo would not have the anatomy to experience happiness, nor the means to possess a conscious desire to live. When your morality prioritizes specific qualities of human life, rather than life itself, it becomes easy to justify abortion.

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B A S E D

Only brainlets deny objective transcendental entities (truth and logic being chief). If you deny this then you need to stop talking if you want to live your philosophy consistently, because words mean nothing anymore.

People get pregnant despite birth control because it's not 100% effective. Why are you seething about this

Being born into a shitty life is far worse than non-existence. Why do people care what happens to fetuses with zero brain functionality, but don't care what happens to them after they're born!
>no! you can't murder babies! it's monstrous!
>your parents are poor and wish you were never born? tough shit snowflake, work 50 hours a week and shut the fuck up

You could take the 3 laws of logic for granted, but all other truth is conditional.

What's this anime again please ?

This. It's complete hypocrisy. They defend it because life is supposed to be "sacred" but do not care about what it implies.
Life is not about being born, it's about living.

Based

If you get raped then abortion should be an option but needs to happen fast.

Otherwise if you get a kid from regular fucking you gotta raise it, you have enough tools to make sure you don't have kids so it's your fault.

>Using eugenics talking points.
This is why abortion is still even considered, because brainlets like you somehow makes these types of arguments that get other brainlets to agree. Are you seriously saying that doing something morally disgusting as abortion is fine because some opponents don't care after the birth? Well, you could say rape is fine because some who view it as bad don't care about the victims afterwards. You see how retarded that sound? It's the same reason why someone suggesting to just genocide the starving kids in Africa is a monster, because suffering doesn't excuse murder. Or we'll have to murder disabled kids because they'll surely suffer. It astounds me how people will prioritize suffering more than actual damn life! The point is the sacredness of life should never be broken by such arbitrary and disgusting standards, even if suffering will happen. We all suffer damn it, but we must power through it or to make the most of it. Even if 100% guaranteed of a life being suffering nonstop, he still was blessed with the gift of life that should never be taken and the biggest good he/she can receive.

>Didn't get the point of the show.

The whole point was that shu keeps his hope till the bitter end, to show that it's still worth fighting for. If Shu did give in the cruelty of the world he's living in, then they would be no hope left. Even in the most inhumane situations, one must keep their hope strong and alive. Sara was going to kill herself and a completely innocent being because of suffering, but Shu reminded that doesn't excuse either. She stayed because she can't go back to the life she once have, but will live a new one with newfound hope. Y'all just retarded.

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>The point is the sacredness of life should never be broken by such arbitrary and disgusting standards, even if suffering will happen.
There. The hypocrisy.

China actually projects right now that they are in an extreme negative as far as population rise. They are shitting their pants so hard about it right now that they have a list of women able to breed and are trying to get foreign women to move there just so they dont have an unsustainable amount of old people in like 30 years.
Not sure about Africa though, i think their explosive growth is over last i checked but its still pretty extreme.

How is it hypocritical, when life itself is different from quality of life? When will brainlets know the difference.

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So is copyright infringement and I don't see Yea Forums paying for their animes.

lurk moar

You pretend that life is sacred, but it doesn't matter to you if it doesn't bring anything but suffering.
Christianity was a mistake. Nothing but a death cult full of masochists, hypocrytes and liars, who always pretend that pain is, and should be the natural state of life.
They even push the vice so far as to tell you it is good for you, and that you should be grateful for it.

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>This tip
Again, quality of life is by definition different than life itself. Also, really weird for a death cult to put so much importance to life isn't it? I don't think knowing the your life would be pain to actually liking it is the same thing user. Pain is always a natural part of life because it is, you can't live without pain. Even the most luckiest and fortunate will experience pain, the only way to escape it too kill yourself, but that still destroys the sacredness of life. The reason why life is put forth over suffering every time because life is a valuable gift that and to not let suffering rule be the rule, or we'll let immorality rule. Yes, you should be infinitely grateful to one of the most greatest gift ever to mankind, I'm sorry you can't handle that objective fact.

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That's wrong though.The baby didn't choose to live in these shitty conditions.I think you're looking at this from the parent's perspective rather than the kids.If the kid will live a shitty life regardless and suffer the consequences of actions not even their own,is that moral?

>morality
>sacredness
>objective
You're like a puppet who cannot see past the brainwashing your cult has brought you. Did you not understand that suicide is "bad", simply because the pedophiles in command realized everybody would just kill themselves to access heavens ?
Lmao no ! You need to suffer FIRST. Work HARD for your masters, and make the church and your kings filthy rich before collapsing on your knees from your poor, shitty life.
And be happy ! Smile ! Didn't you and your ten children who died from famine get to know the greatest gift to mankind ?

It doesn't matter the situation or whether or not the child choose. Since the child can't even choose in the first and with life still being an infinitely valuable gift, it doesn't matter. No suffering in the world can ever excuse the murder of innocent lives, since life is sacred. And you;re doing a fetal mistake as the other anons, putting suffering above life. All you're doing is just inviting eugenics into the table at that point. Should a billionaire that has an easy life been aborted because he got shot and was in pain for a year? It runs the same messed up logic that somehow suffering of all things should be prioritize rather than life itself. So yes, it is moral since their life isn't defined by suffered and was endowed the greatest gift of man.

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Thanks Satan

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>This sad attempt of a tip
>Priests don't want people to do suicide because they'll access heaven, yet won't do it themselves.
>Priests are the most likely to not be pedos than any other groups
>Suffering is our own fault as humanity and a key to salvation
>Working hard for your masters showed complete faith in the Lord and your strenght
>The church is the biggest charity in the world and give the most
>Be grateful for the gift of life and find solace in your suffering with God.

When will you tipfags ever learn?

>ITT: I'm not a woman, in a relationship, or pregnant, but my moral compass is absolutely the only objectively correct solution

>implying that murder is a justifiable solution

Abortion should only be permitted if the mother’s life is endangered or if there is a fetal abnormality. Any other reason and you’re justifying the unnecessary killing of an innocent human being.

Good goy.

Your post fell apart when you asked when life begins and then discarded it without answering.

No more anime, user.

>implying murder

American culture is all about making self-sterilization of any form trendy

If people weren't degenerates abortion wouldn't even be a discussion topic.

If people were't bloodthirsty garbage murder wouldn't even be a discussion topic.

>permitted if the mother’s life is endangered
Do the mother's life is more important than the kid's? Who are you to arbitrate that?

Okay, I worded that badly. I was referring to slutting around and ignored to include cases like rape.

They end up in that mire/swamp from Demon's souls

Abortion should be legal for rape victims , cheating shouldn't. Now the problem is identifying cheating sluts and false accusations.

People have a right to self defence, and while the baby isn’t intentionally killing them, women should have a right to defend themselves if their life is being endangered.

I don't think you got the point though.Sure the billionaire suffered for a year,but he has the rest of his life to look forward to.I'm also talking about suffering that was inherently there from the beginning,so that example doesn't really apply.The child was born in these conditions,and will probably stay in these conditions for a good portion of his life,much longer than the billionare's.The billionare,on the other hand experienced suffering only for a period of his life,it's pretty unlikely that he was born with a bullet in his leg.

Nature fucking sucks, any naturalist argument just flags the idiot spewing it as a retard of the highest order, might as well complain about removing parasites or birth control or refrigeration.

To die of natural causes is a very common term. Dying from an external cause is typically seen as an untimely death. Dying from an external cause by the will of someone else is typically seen as morally heinous without grounds for self defense. Again there's some nuance to preventable disease but that is not what's being discussed.

I have little interest in debating moral relativism. Happiness and goodness are separate concepts. Prioritizing happiness has nothing to do with gauging morality. A person who wishes to enrich the happiness of others wouldn't be seen as moral for their ends but for their means. Feeding the hungry vs selling a product made in sweatshops. Acting purely in self interest is not what is usually seen as moral. My life being better without the baby doesn't take away that I had to scoop it out for that better life. Not having a happy life is not a reasonable justification for deciding someone should not have a life at all. Babies have little use outside of being a burden, but they have the potential to grow, so the lack of autonomy of the fetus has little bearing on its right to life.

This is untrue given that I specified where it did not begin, and gave special mention to the union of egg and sperm. I just said there was further room for debate.

I never claimed to be a naturalist. Please do not inflate the use of one word. People know what it means to die of natural causes. Don't be obtuse.

There is no inconvenient pregnancy to a man as kind, loving and family orientated as Bondrewd.

Shu is just a conceit by the author to try and make the Rwandan genocide less depressing and considering how people complain about the anime for being too depressing already, it's obvious why they did that.

>solution or resolution
what fucking resolution or solution is there for child soldiers? Their lives are already ruined with all of the rape, torture, killing and drug use they have done to them and they do to others.

>tapping kids on the head is equivalent to the Rwandan genocide