What is your dream antagonist? Including motive, personality, role in the story, and power

OP asked for antagonist, not villain and...

Oh he actually can't fucking speak in simple terms. Nevermind, go on.

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>Basically, the exact opposite of typical shounen villains
You just described Freeza

>What is your dream antagonist? Including motive, personality, role in the story, and power.
>DUUR I LIKE DIS GUY THE BEST
DREAM antagonist you illiterate fuck

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Is there any antagonist that is simply a douchebag and his reason to be one is just because he's a douchebag and he's always doing douchebag things?

a dude with no power that somehow gets a gun and does things

DB is one of the few exceptions, even back then. Think about all the other shounen since the 80s.

That's common as fuck

That one Ali Allahuackbar guy from Gundam comes to mind

>muv-luv
really wanted to read that VN but that artstyle is too outdated

Initial D 16 minutes OAV

Good post. Has pretty much everything I wanted to say.

Personal additions:

-Don't mind if a villain actually doesn't have much of a motive or even much character depth. But they must have a personality. Something interesting, thoughtful (even if mildly). In other words, charisma is essential.
Shishio remains one of my favorite antagonists to date and he was one-note as hell.

>there are “people” who don’t like Dio

You almost got me hyped when i saw monster designs that it might actually be cool mecha. But whole cast are some schoolgirls.

You never considered their dream antagonist might actually exist. Cry more.
If you have the slightest knowledge of anime you should be able to infer your answer from an antag pic alone. Take pic related.
>wildcard, alternates between ally and antagonist
>overpowered
>blue and orange morality
>fanatism as a motivation

Forgot pic

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BETA are just shitty Zerg, prove me wrong

Hero who saved the world multiple times, started as your stereotypical shonen protag, all cheerful and believing in the power of friendship, but as time went on, the countless wars, battles and all the comarades he lost make him realize that mankind will never reach true peace, its a lost cause. All because there will always be some dumb bullshit that they will use as an excuse to kill each other. Tired of the barbaric ways of humanity, he reunites all the the powerful artifacts he collected during his journeys to opens a portal to the underworld, an army of demons starts attacking the world, They have an only objective: Erase the violent and corrupted human race from the face of the planet.

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>a faggot who is evil because FUCK being a dick is fun
I can get behind this, actually. Too much forced shades of gray shit these days.

Mostly closet cases who can't deal with an absolutely ripped bisexual villain who is comfortable enough to wear literal hearts on his clothing, frankly.

I want Kaiba, but as a girl, and as a blonde, and she's a loli, and she's the MC's imouto.

Believes honestly in something opposite the hero.
Kind but merciless and dedicated.
Puts plan into action over the course of the show and reacts to the hero's actions, planning accordingly.
Power is the same as hero's but weaker, usually wins their encounters due to superior execution, planning, teamwork, etc.

You were so fucking close

Leader of a crew of thieves who was super incompetent and betrayed the thieves after a girl convinces him to do so because of months of doubt and insults thrown his way constantly.
He's a useless dude with tons of connections filled with petty anger and contempt for everyone after constantly being doubted and made fun of teamed with a manipulative girl at his side, but he gets more useful and intelligent as the series goes on making the two a bigger threat.

I just want someone that has a good reason to be evil.

So basically a less assholish Gary Oak?

I always like it when the antagonist takes great care to always move in the shadows/background. Doesn't communicate their moves to anyone except for maybe the most elite of their allies, and even then they might leave some details out in case they do end up getting betrayed. I like it when the antagonist is smart and aware of their situation/surroundings. When they can predict their enemy's moves. I also like it when they aren't overly flashy and aren't too boastful, but deep down they always believe in themselves, they just don't communicate that thought to others so others might think they're weaker than they really are. It's also cool when they have no hesitation about killing/getting rid of absolutely anyone/anything that gets in the way of accomplishing their goals.

I think an antagonist that can strike fear into the heart/mind of the reader/watcher because we start thinking "holy shit this guy knows what he's doing" is an interesting setup.

Hanma Yujiro.
I just want a fucking asshole whose power is 'Being as Strong as the plot demands, and it usually demands being FUCKING ABSURD'
The end goal is simply to become such a god that Yujiro's muscles explode trying to fight and then forms completely new muscles and skin, and repeats until he legitimately can not do it anymore

Ozymandias is the GOAT antagonist. This dude is probably one of the best in anime and manga.

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I just wanna say this fucking picture is so stupid but it cracks me up.

Sensui?

That pic will always be retarded. Motives are important but its not the only thing that matters for villains.

I would say someone with powers extremely similar to the hero's, or inverted somehow. That way, it makes for a more compelling final battle.

If they have the same ability, you can have a lot of cool mirrored shots and monologues about "That man is the same as me, but he chose a different path."

I like the idea that the antagonist is also going through a kind of journey of his own, and it's inevitable that the two of them will clash in mutual hatred. Also, the antagonist NTRs the love interest, and the hero kills him really fucking hard for that. But more importantly, the hero kills the other guy when he surrenders and admits that he genuinely loves the girl.

To be fair, Ozy still would be top tier simply because of '35 Minutes Ago'

Motives are entirely important. They are the crux of the moral conflict that is central to a good story. There's nothing interesting about being confronted by an evil that exists just for the sake of it. Creating a good antagonist requires thinking about that character just as much as the protagonist. Stories with a demon lord antagonist who is evil simply because he's a villain are garbage compared to a story where the protagonist is faced with someone that actually challenges his beliefs and morals.

>There's nothing interesting about being confronted by an evil that exists just for the sake of it.
Not him, but this is actually perfectly fine. A tropish evil will work as long as there is nuance. A villain can be a dick for the sake of being a dick and still be a success if executed well.

You're right. She should be the MC's oneechan.

I always had a soft spot for anti-villains. Characters who have genuinely good intentions but a flawed way of reaching them. Antagonists who are essentially heroes of their own story but happen to be on the opposite side. Anime ja nai but Zuko from Avatar comes to mind and is one of my favorite characters of all time.

>There's nothing interesting about being confronted by an evil that exists just for the sake of it.
Says who?

I've more or less outrgrown shades of gray type antagonists. My ideal antagonist is one that's perfectly cognizant of what they are, and either accept that part of themselves, or are so warped/pure that the concept of morality doesn't even enter the equation. Like they would understand good/evil, but not even consider how it would be a notable factor in their actions.

>Motives
Should be defined early on. Should be reasonable, but blatantly abhorrent to the degree that it is simply incompatible with the protagonist.

Following that, I prefer if they're honest and unabashedly devoted to their evil and beliefs no matter what they are, and are consistent with their internal rules. Even if that consistency leads them to failure. Bonus points if an antagonist is as intelligent as they are flexible and adaptable. Be dignified, manipulative, but don't underestimate the situation and acknowledge their fallibility.

>Design
Depends on the angle the author is working with. As a general rule, don't be fucking ugly or overrdesigned.

A different kind of antagonist that works: His goals align with the protagonist (he might even be one of the protagonist himself) but his intentions and methods make him just as, if not more evil than the actual antagonist.

I wonder if a character that fits these descriptions even exists.

You just typed all this up, do you really drink hard enough to lack that form of self awareness, cause that (is) impressive.

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user the mecha is in a timeline when they aren't schoolgirls but are child soldiers, due to the war with aliens going on for so long that most adult men are dead so they resort to child soldiers. The whole point is the first VN is just school BS, and through time shit and other anine plot devices we end up in Muv Luv:Alternative which is just mecha starship troopers.

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>Zerg
Initially presented as mindless aliens who kill everything in sight, revealed to be under the control of an intelligent central mind which is deliberately targeting humans (pretty standard "alien mother" sort of thing going on)
>BETA
Presented as a complete mystery for all of Unlimited and half of Alternative, when you finally start learning about them you actually realise you know even less than you thought you did because of typical sci-fi presumptions (e.g. no BETA has ever been "savage" in a ruthless sense because they don't see humans as a threat, they have thoughts but seemingly don't act with regard to them, and most astonishingly don't acknowledge humans or themselves as living creatures).
Humanity never learns anything about the BETA until it's already too late to prevent it from fucking them over
When you re-read, their entire character over the course of the games makes perfect sense
The final conversation with the BETA Superior on Earth which is pure, pure kino
I dunno man, I like Zerg, they're my favourite class in terms of lore in SC, but BETA are better.

A villain must be evil and period, the bigger the background the worst the villain, evil for the sake of being evil is the best.

MLA was definitely cool mecha.
>Schoolgirls are trained soldiers.
There's romance bullshit or whatever, but is far from the central plotline. It's about a war for survival, and is gruesome. Surely, you've seen the *chomp* meme in this day and age.

Fine, I'll post it.

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>A different kind of antagonist that works: His goals align with the protagonist (he might even be one of the protagonist himself) but his intentions and methods make him just as, if not more evil than the actual antagonist.
The first sounds like a very tall order, but second is definitely pic related.

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That's actually a pretty good idea for a thread. Makes me examine my own taste in antagonists as well as how I've written my own.

That was a really good write up.

Milf last boss ravaging loli heros