Fate/Stay: Lost Butterfly

>Shinji is a ladies man

Shut up Shinji, nobody is falling for it.

Was she raped by the traditional meaning of the word or the modern feminist version where even looking at her is considered rape?

Best Character in Fate Series

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>Not liking Shinji
You can't excuse all the fucked up shit Sakura did as a result of the shit circumstances of her upbringing without doing the same for Shinji. Either they're both monsters or neither is, there is no in-between.

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The one where a guy is violent with you and forces himself onto you while you stay there looking dead and not even trying to resist because it's pointless.

Read Hollow Ataraxia.

>all the fucked up shit Sakura did
>kills Shinji
>Hassan
>Gil
>Kotomine
>Zouken
She's MVP of the HGW and didn't kill a single bad person.

By the traditional meaning of the word

>Best Character
>Fate Series
user...

Shinji Phygically Rape Sakura Many Time

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>and didn't kill a single bad person.
See, I know you fucked up that and meant that she only killed bad people, but you're still wrong. This is how I know you're a fucking secondary. People literally die for like three consecutive nights prior to Sakura becoming dark Sakura. Shirou and Rin go out on patrol and find a ton of empty houses with the inhabitants absorbed by the shadow, which leads Shirou to finally accept what he already knew, that the Shadow was Sakura. That revelation is what causes the tense scene by Sakura's bedside where Shirou contemplates stabbing her before either dropping the knife or trying it and getting killed by Rider.

The entire reason HF involves Shirou casting away his ideals is because he deliberately allows Sakura to live despite her killing a fuckton of people, it forces him to invert his "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" mentality that Kiritsugu had that was part of his Superhero mindset, and acknowledge that he's doing something that isn't necessarily good because he's allowed many innocent lives to be lost for the sake of his own selfish desire for Sakura to live. Sakura's hands aren't clean, that's the point, because if they were it wouldn't be such a mental struggle for Shirou to do what he does in HF.

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You know after all this time, I finally realize the word TakaJun was searching for was "courtesan". What a hack

good. he prepared her to be ready for shiro.

>People literally die for like three consecutive nights prior to Sakura becoming dark Sakura
And like the novel explains and the movie goes out of its way to show through a dream scene, Sakura isn't actually responsible for the people the shadow kills, because that's Avenger using her as a medium to kill people.
Shirou's mental struggle come from the fact that if he killed Sakura, the shadow, the literal gate Angra uses to enter the world, would stop existing so people wouldn't die.
You can't blame her for the people who die just because she exists.

This. Real bros fuck their sisters so that when they find a guy they like they know how to please them.

>secondary!
>hurrr sakura killed people
Read the VN, retard.

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Hassan wasn't bad.

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If you're directly causing murder on a regular basis via your very existence that you can't turn off and you aren't willing to kill yourself to stop it, you are a bad person. Because it means that you are willing to live being kept afloat by the corpses of innocent people. She never even tries to stop it or talk out solutions or bring it up with Shirou, she just keeps secrets from him, attempts to make him stop fighting, and doesn't help in any way. Plus the Shadow responds to her desires, hence why it got Shirou's arm, the dream sequences in the VN that Sakura experiences, and the scene with Gil. She's physically in there and aware of her actions, she's just justifying it as a dream. Obviously Angra Manyu is playing a massive part there, Sakura is not by nature a murderer, but she did end up killing people as a result of her actions and choices. I'm not casting judgement on her, F/SN isn't about black and white morality, but I just want to point out that the Matou family being utter bastards fucked up Shinji as much as Sakura and ultimately had both of them been raised in a better environment neither would be bad people. Honestly Shinji reminds me a lot of Rin when it comes to their baseline personalities.

Anyone else feel there were enough illya points despite all that was cut out for a true end?

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If your sister looked like Sakura you'd fuck her too

We all know I Beg You is better then Hana No Uta.
But is it better then Another Heaven?

>She never even tries to stop it or talk out solutions or bring it up with Shirou, she just keeps secrets from him, attempts to make him stop fighting, and doesn't help in any way.
She's unconsciously keeping the victim count to a minimum through pure will, only reason she even holds her personality until the very end of the game.
>Plus the Shadow responds to her desires
Yeah, in this way
>I think this person is annoying
>now he's dead
The shadow distorts everything about Sakura's psyche.

> She's physically in there and aware of her actions, she's just justifying it as a dream.
The fucking movie had to go and show you this isn't how it happens, at all, becaus retards still can't understand she isn't aware. She has nightmares and takes her until she kills Gil to properly make the connection.

Can confirm. My sister isn't nearly as hot as Sakurafish and I fuck her.

>all that was cut out
Oh wow, a couple of conversations and a shitton of pointless infodumps because that's Ilya's role for the majority of HF.
She raised her own Kerry/Shirou points through Taiga's conversation so she's fine.

>offers to just kill Shirou and Rin on the spot
>tries to warn Zouken because he knew Dark Sakura would likely screw them over
Zouken should have listened to him.

>If you're directly causing murder on a regular basis
She isn't. Angra Mainyu is.
>you aren't willing to kill yourself to stop it
She was once she was actually aware of it, which wasn't until after Gilgamesh attacked her.
>She never even tries to stop it
It's literally why she becomes Dark Sakura.
>talk out solutions or bring it up with Shirou
They have a long conversation about it after Shirou can't bring himself to kill Sakura.
>she just keeps secrets from him, attempts to make him stop fighting
Remember Kariya? Yeah, she was justified to try to keep Shirou away from her issues.
>and doesn't help in any way
She literally solves all of her issues other than her contract with AM on her own.
>Plus the Shadow responds to her desires, hence why it got Shirou's arm
Watch the fucking movie. It was an explosion and a complete coincidence that he lost his arm, and it was portrayed exactly the same way in the VN too.
>the dream sequences in the VN that Sakura experiences, and the scene with Gil. She's physically in there and aware of her actions, she's just justifying it as a dream.
It's literally stated that the shadow acts while she's unconscious. Why do you think the shadow disappeared when Gilgamesh woke up Sakura with his attack, then reappeared when she fainted?

Zouken was insane and he still went along.

Could he defy Zouken? Does Zouken have Command Spells for Assassin?

Technically he can create them, as he's the one who made them in the first place.

Sexy Young Matou Zouken

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Based sisterfucker

I like to think ever since she was 5 or whenever she moved in.

All the times.

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That's not the case though.

>Pathetic loser rapist that constantly gets btfo by chads and women around him
He truly represents Yea Forums

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Characters like Shinji, when properly used serve to contrast the worst of humanity against white and grey moral lines.
The cheap use for this characters is to make the protags look good and give an easy backstory to make you feel sympathetic the girls. It is easy to have a harem if the other characters are evil, weak, stupid, ugly or total shit.
Either way this type of character will attract people who like to jerk off on being more moral than a nigger.

You do know that actual rapists exist in real life, right?

>cut out all the Illya moments to give wormslut more screentime
They sure as fuck better shift them into the third movie and not throw them out altogether.

If anything, this really does prove the 'needs of the many thing' is essential.

Like, I get that Shirou doesn't want to kill the girl he's porking. But as one of the people who would die horribly at the hands of the Shadow, I'd say "Shirou, for god's sake, kill the bitch, it's eattttttinnnngggg me it's eattttinnnngggg meeeee you bastarddddddd"

Why does he look like Cu?

Not enough

Or, you know, you just go destroy the greater grail.

post yfw seeing Shirou cry for the first time when he tried to save the world by destroying his own world he built together with Sakura

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>We should just let this thing rampage until then unopposed. Why? Because I am porking it
Bravo Nolan

>Rin had a hypothesis about the shadow being related to the grail since early on and knew where the greater grail was located, but would rather kill Sakura because muh daddy issues
Sister of the year.

Based

More experienced means she is better fuck than a virgin. Virgin girls are shy and stiff. Only experienced girls know how to properly please a man.

Takeuchi.

>know how to properly please a man.
You called?

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Really there was a storm of incompetence by the Tohsaka Sisters, had they told Shirou what they knew he could've solved that shit way earlier.

Absolute meme. I have found that sluts who are reasonably hot are actually very stuck up and starfish dead in bed in general. Not that the woman needs to anything in particular as long as she is cooperating

That still doesnt negate the fact that the Mind of steel is the only real ending that makes sense or doesnt seem to make HF a parody of the other routes. Imagine giving up your sense of self and justice just for a monstrous wormed slut. For what it's worth I dont like Rin in HF either. I prefer illya

You are funny cuck/a/non.

imagine having zero compassion

>Imagine giving up your sense of self and justice just for a monstrous wormed slut.
Because Shirou only loves her user. That's enough to give up his own ideal

>Shinji bad, Sakura good
Wormfags are really deluded

>killing Sakura before they even know about her link to the shadow
>making sense

I have compassion.. That being said, putting down rabid dogs is the compassionate and reasonable thing to do

>wormed
user, I have bad news for you. Your meme makes no sense.

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>If I stop taking dick like a Tokyo train takes passengers, I will be virgin again
OH NO NO NO AHAHA! The absolute state of Sakurafags

>deworming
>the name implies that worms were there to begin with
And you disproved what, exactly?

>anti-Sakura posters are blatantly crossboarding shitposters
Every single time.
She's worm-free by the time it matters.

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Is Matou Shinji /ourguy/?

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Yes

Absolutely. Think about it: He is a great friend to be around with, has natural charm that helps him with the ladies, is ambitious but not bratty and loves his little sister and risks his life to protect her

What did he mean by obscene intercourses?

I wish I was as rich, handsome and popular as Shinji! Shinji is the best!