Name one thing that hasn't ended in absolute disaster for this character
Name one thing that hasn't ended in absolute disaster for this character
Carson Hall
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Brandon James
>Weak and all talk
>Gets eaten
>Backstabbed
>Loses legs
>Almost gets his compatriots taken away
>Hypnotized and loses arms
>Gets his compatriot taken away
>PTSDed
>Loses half a compatriot
>Loses head
>Infiltrates enemy HQ, gets ass handed
>Betrays his friends, ends with half the gems going crazy
>Yellow and Alex PTSDed
>The pressure
>Told to make a move or else
>The pressure
>Night assault fails
>THE PRESSURE
Suffering personified
Justin Gomez
I keep forgetting that phos no longer has her head. What the fuck is happening
Daniel Young
Jeremiah Jones
he won the rock equivalent of the genetic lottery to get god-tier inclusions
Parker Adams
Jacob Rivera
depending on how far Euc is in editing, this may be your last chance to sing. We should try to make sure this is as good as possible with as many voices as we can get so we don't get laughed at like the Hunter"chads"
Alexander Martin
Phos really deserved better.
Anthony Mitchell
I haven't read the manga, does Phos ever get back her old hairstyle? I don't really like the short hair.
Jace Howard
No, he doesn't. He loses the head too. You get long hair for a while for Lapis but Phos thought it was too heavy so it had to conveniently go just like his arms did. Ponytail didn't last even half a chapter.
Adrian Smith
read it and find out no
Ayden Wilson
Reminder that Phos is ungrateful little shit to his parent. I hope he regrets everything eventually but it will be too late.
Aaron Edwards
Not always, he used to love sensei like the others but how he is now is just a natural progression distrusting him and being manipulated by the moonies
Ayden Collins
Benjamin Peterson
Bentley Williams
Phos has changed way too much. It's so weird to see an MC change in appearance and attitude so drastically.
The only way he can return to normal is to get his old head back.
I just want a good ending with a happy Phos. Hopefully we hear Adamant's side of the story next chapter, and Phos has a change of heart.
Julian Jones
She's well on her way to become Great Sage.
James Lewis
>I just want a good ending with a happy Phos
Ichikawa will have something to say about that
Jaxon Ramirez
There is one thing Phos did right. There is one idea that randomly popped in her head, hwich she followed and which turned out was a success, although it might not be obvious at first glance. It's her underwater escapade. Phos dived into the ocean to learn more about the world and technically it worked: she made contact with another sentient species and she acquired new information. Many things went wrong during this trip: betrayal, a sudden attack, loss of limbs, loss of memory. BUT. Phos acquired what she came to seek: information. No matter how small and fragmented the memory is, she went out to obtained something and she did. And now this small measure of success, this tiny victory for Phos, might just blow into something big. In the recent chapter the Lunarians have finally attempted to discuss the presence of the slugs on their moon. They claim it is consensual and to their advantage. However Phos has learned during her perilous underwater travels that the slugs are not on the moon by choice, that they consider themselves enslaved, and she has seen with her own eyes the lunarians physically attack a slug who was trying to negotiate for their return, proving they are indeed not free to return at their whim. This is vital because there are a lot of hints in the story that the lunarians are bullshitting about absolutely everything they say, but Phos has no proof. She has stated many times that she cannot trust them but she has no direct evidence to contradict them. But this time the Lunarians talked about something she experienced first hand, she HAS been underwater, she HAS talked to slugs, she HAS learned more about the world, and she KNOWS they just lied on the one thing they couldn't get away with, and now the seed of doubt can bloom in her mind. Phos just asked the Lunarians for a spaceship and in all likelihood, she will drive it straight into the ocean to investigate more pressing matters about the Lunarians and their webs of lies.
Juan Hernandez
she made that one snail girl really happy, i wouldn't have thought of giving her a piece of my leg.
Eli Butler
>Genocide the entire race of slugs or else
Cooper Martinez
Elijah Lee
>fixed NuMorga's crippling inferiority complex with 1 (1) conversation
>Made Variegatus happy
>Gave Amethyst the opportunity to become his own person
>Prevented the moonies from attacking the gems and killing them for at least three months so far
>Brought Padparadscha back to life (thanks Shinsha, by the way.)
>Is bringing all the dead gems back to life, kinda
Ian Hill
hypnotized? nice try she's just a dumb rock
Anthony Sanchez
healing never
Isaiah Sullivan
is the moral of the story "taking too many redpills will fug you up"?
Robert Long
It's the allegory of the cavern. Phos was given the task to acquire knowledge (compile an encyclopedia) but after gaining too much knowledge about the world, people started looking at her like an outsider, a traitor or someone who's gone insane. She questions her sanity herself, and indeed the adventure has damaged her mind, but she is essentially right about everything she says or do. Sensei cannot be trusted, the Lunarians cannot be trusted, and only Phos refuses to trust either.
Isaac Green
>There is one idea that randomly popped in her head
>Phos dived into the ocean to learn more about the world and technically it worked: she made contact with another sentient species and she acquired new information
>BUT Phos acquired what she came to seek: information
Good post but I wouldn't say Phos ventured into the sea to acquire information, his primary goal was always to help a creature in need. Phos even claims that "start from what's in front of you" should apply to Ventricosus first instead of the encyclopaedia.
An overall theme of the manga is that seemingly random acts of kindness can reverberate a lot and shape the destinies of individuals, even more than the open pursuit of power of knowledge. Compassion as the feeling you'd better help others -more than selfless love, more than empathy- has always been the core of Phos's character, and his curse too. But it's interesting that when he's obsessing over helping others he fails, but produces great results when he just helps because he can without thinking too much.
Anyway I digress, there's nothing saying that Phos went after information, except his act of kindness eventually produces Variegatus to give him the very knowledge he needed when the time was right (and even that was ultimately due to Phos sheltering nuGoshe from Lunarians arrows, losing Lapis' hair)
Cooper Russell
The moral I've found so far is 'read the Saddharmapuṇḍarīkasūtra and the Sukhāvatīvyūhasūtra'
Jonathan Wood
Oh shit, you're right. I didn't notice this.
Hudson Phillips
I agree that it's a theme of the story that random acts of kindness can go far (particularly, when Phos pledges to help Cinnabar) but I disagree that Phos went into the ocean for the sake of kindness, just to help out Ventricosus. The decision happens in chapter 7 and the progression of Phos' state of mind is quite subtle. I tried cutting and pasting the relevant panels to remove the multiple distractions and gags in the chapter. First, Ventricosus tries to bait Phos about a great romantic/tragic story about slugs and kidnapping and the moon. Phos doesn't take the bait at all, she isn't that interested in the mysteries of the story and she isn't moved emotionally by the slug's plea for help. But then Phos is reminded about Cinnabar, whom she has pledged to help, and she feels useless again, and the idea takes root in her mind. She immediately rejects the idea of going to the ocean to "take it easy and forget about everything", the opposite in fact, she is sold on the idea because she can see it as part of her work, she was supposed to investigate new things, and the more she learned the more she could help Cinnabar.
Nicholas Thomas
This. For the FIRST time Phos actually has some information that Aechmea doesn't. Consider that Phos has been having to eat up everything the moonies tell him since getting there, regardless of how fishy it sounds, since he knows nothing.
But now Phos has some info from a significantly more reliable source than the moon, and depending on how much he remembers, he might even realise that the moonies went back on an explicit contract between them and Ventricosus and burnt her arm off, making them 100% untrustworthy.
Also consider that Phos now has a skin compound that doesn't wash away under water, making Phos waterproof.
Also consider that we haven't gotten an official colour design of Variegatus, which means she'll probably appear on the back of a volume cover later.
Also consider that we have had the Earth arc and the Moon arc so far, yet there are three important locations in this series.
This is all leading to the SEA ARC THE SEA ARC IT'S THE SEA ARC THE SEA ARC THE SEA ARC
Dylan Scott
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
I LOVE PHOS!!!
Wyatt Wright
The completion of the encyclopedia is also the reason Phos offers when she proposes her idea and she is essentially speaking the truth, albeit she is not speaking openly about her secondary motivations for completing the encyclopedia, that she wants to prove herself and wants to find knowledge that can help Cinnabar.
Juan Murphy
Phos is still much the same in personality, especially in the latest few chapters, it’s just that she never gets the oppurtunity to relax becaus of the constant pressure and suffering and it’s harder to notice because of the new design and the mangas art.
Benjamin Carter
I just noticed that these scenes parallel each other somewhat.
Easton Taylor
Gesundheit!
Owen Allen
Tyler Rogers
Excellent insight! I actually didn't notice between all the distractions.
Tyler Lewis
Brayden Sullivan
I wonder if we see'll see Variegatus again after going through slug puberty and developing the subtle charm of her forebearers. The slugs mature fast right?
Henry Green
I noticed this small detail.
>Ventricosus: "I remembered my garden, there are people much like yours in the ocean"
What is this about? Is it a badly translated sentence, or something that Ventricosus eventually reveals is a lie? There is nobody like the gems at the bottom of the ocean, is there?
Cooper Parker
>slugs are hermaphrodites
>after the timeskip we get sexy ass male Variegatus
Adam Cooper
Ventricosus is a humanoid, like the gems. This is stated to be what she meant a little later.
Lincoln Walker
By “people much like yours” she meant humanoids, namely herself and the other slugs. Before that the only humanoids Phos would have seen were the other gems and the moonies, since Vent was just a slug at the time.
Parker Murphy
what goes in the last square?
Luke Baker
DON'T YOU DARE!!!
Easton Sanders
Yotsuba
Austin Fisher
I can see your point and it's definitely well presented, I just don't think that the abridged version you posted served to trim the fat, when in fact it leaves out some necessary background.
You have to remember that chapter 7 happens right after Phos has been eaten and reconstructed, so the one when Ventricosus tells her story leaves Phos cold because he's still sort of mad and Vent is a complete stranger to him. Then she casually drops Shinsha's name which sends Phos into his 'I'm a useless fuck' state: note that Vent says no more because of the impression the words "I have someone who depends on me" leave on her, for the obvious reason.
Then Ventricosus hooks the bait "in the ocean you could find a job for Shinsha" which is exactly what Phos needs to hear: the whole encyclopedia thing is not about the compiling at all, the encyclopaedia has always been about Shinsha: remember that he still has the notebook in his cave (also Phos literally never wrote a line or even reported to Sensei aside from the 'ningen' happening, so it's REALLY not about the acquisition of abstract knowledge nor it has ever been).
Then this interaction happens: at first Phos is still worried about Shinsha but has definitely settled with obeying Sensei's orders (pic related), but then he has the first open-hearted dialogue with Ventricosus, the one about death. It's only when his majesty talks about her hearbreaking desire to see her land that Phos goes "ok, fuck this we ocean now" which is the page you're replying to.
>I care about Cinnabar, but I care about you too
The focus of the conversation has shifted, and when Phos talks to herself when Ventricosus transforms off panel, he clearly links Shinsha and Vent in his mind.
Carter Stewart
no thanks
gay things are bad
Jackson Howard
W-wi-with tentacles...?
Brody Howard
>t. Ghost
Pls come back ;_;
Jace Diaz
Only if the princess allow Ghost to come back using a artificial host (if a non-living gem could be used). If Carmen still have a beef with Ghost, give up.
Jayden Lewis
I fucking love that we're finally reasonably starting to build up for a sea arc because most of the eerie novelty the moon used to have has been completely blown while the sea is now as mysterious to us as the moon was pre-volume 8, except marine life is inherently uncanny and weird to boot: eggs, weird transformations, shell buildings, bioluminescence, underwater landscapes
Also I seem to remember that Ichikawa had some sort of marine biology degree, was I memed by the older threads or is that actually true? All I know is that she fucking loves jellyfish and she designed a legendary jellyfish pokemon
Jace Cox
You're right that it's a bit more nuanced. Phos only accepted to break the rules (after Sensei interdicted her project) after a little more nudging in chapter 8. However after chapter 7 Phos had truly accepted to go to the ocean and she went to sensei to propose that plan. I consider that the argument about "doing your work and maybe help Shinsha" is the little spark that moved her, which proved effective especially since she was depressed from feeling useless. She was convinced to break the rules in chapter 8 but she was already convinced to seek the ocean in chapter 7.
But perhaps what I consider the greatest argument about Phos' motivations is that after she returns from the oceanic escapade, wounded in body and pride, the first thing she does is she apologizes to Cinnabar. She apologizes because she set out to help him and she returned a failure, and that is what weights the heaviest on her psyche, although she did acquire some little blips of information that hopefully will return to guide her.
Tyler Reed
Adam Foster
>Nihilego ( ウツロイド /Uturoid in the original JP)
This guy was designed by Ichikawa
James Campbell
Haruko Ichikawa is indeed listed as a Pokémon designer.
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
However there isn't any official reveal about what she designed. Many people assume she probably designed the character Lusamine and/or her jellyfish Pokémon, it's a good guess considering the author's style and her interests but we don't know anything for sure. I hope this information gets confirmed one day.
Andrew Scott
Not to mention the more obvious one
Nathaniel Robinson
this gem will never stop fucking things up and there is nothing you can do about it
Joshua Wood
But that's what I love about Phos: that he's written as one of the few protagonists who's cursed to always push forward no matter what. His POV, and only his, looks like a side-scrolling beat-'em-up where there's no direction but progressing
Eli Carter
cant stop thinking about gay rocks
Leo Carter
I want to make Lapis blush
Jaxon Nelson
Tyler Hall
Oh shit.
Hope she got enough of that Pokemon money
Charles Lee
hey frens does anyone ahve the transparent parappa version of this?
Hudson Foster
I see no problem with that
Jordan Murphy
Is Houseki no Kuni a hidden """gem"""?
Why isn't it as popular as it should be? Do we blame Amazon for their retarded Anime Strike paywall, or was 3DCG an instant turn-off for newfagweebs?
Andrew Young
>tfw no rock dildo collection
Adam Mitchell
it's pretty popular in nipland, and I'm perfectly fine with newfagweebs not getting into it
Joshua Sanders
It had some of the best sales of any anime that aired that year, only being surpassed by shonenshit and idolshit.
Not being popular in the west is almost never a bad thing, it means we can have good threads like this one from time to time without them immediately being buried in shitposts.
Lincoln Kelly
borrow ichikawas
Adrian Lee
>sharing gut bacterial flora with Ichikawa
Ayden Murphy
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE PHOS EVEN WITH ALL HIS FLAWS!
Dylan Davis
Sbobble
Brayden Cooper
Getting stronger.
Gavin Lee
c-cute
Cooper Smith
James Campbell
Joshua White
Being Phos is suffering
Caleb Martin
at least he gets to eat some nice light
James Watson
Did Phos ever find a job for Cinnabon?
Jackson Nguyen
euclase sucks
David Peterson
Evan Davis
Managed to fix her and Sensei's costume after her disastrous winter duty.
Got Cinnabar to stop thinking about suicide if only a little.
Helped Ventricocus' kid establish her legitimacy.(This may actually end bad but we don't know yet)
Brought the moonies purpose.
Managed to stop the hunting of gems.
Got Dia to start trying to fix her inferiority complex.
There's more but this should be enough.
Easton Gonzalez
>he
Kevin Perry
i want genki phos back
Nathan Green
>trying to steal from god
Jacob Moore
It's pretty clear that Phos is basically just forcing himself not to feel anything for Sensei because if he gets caught up in feeling bad he's just going fall apart, literally.
I mean it's clear enough from the most recent chapter that ends with Phos just waterfalling gold out of his face thinking about what he has to do to the person who has always been kind to him.
Eli Wright
very good light
Jose Cox
Yes the job is that Cinnabar has to kill Phos. The memes became true.
Ethan Jackson
It is truly a job that only Cinnabar can do
Wyatt Martin
I think I have another job for her.
You think she can kill these threads?
It's become apparent Jade can't get the job done anymore.
Grayson Williams
please give this rock a little more time, she's trying her best
Xavier Ramirez
This has been the best thread we’ve had in half of a year. I agree they should be made far less often.
Gambate Fosu
Austin Lee
Going to the moon and trusting the smooth talking prince of the damned hasn't yet gone horribly wrong
Brody Cruz
How does it taste.
Eli Taylor
Bad I think.
Luis Baker
ShinshaxBoruto shitposting might do the job too
Easton Lopez
Keep posting gems
Bentley Cook
Shinsha would have worked out if Shinsha wasn't such a huge faggot. I love Shinsha but jesus christ.
Josiah Parker
Just another thing that didn't end well for her. Being called a man by retards.
Ian Anderson
But she can be a cute boy too!
Parker Ortiz
Zachary Ward
>It's pretty clear that Phos is basically just forcing himself not to feel anything for Sensei because if he gets caught up in feeling bad he's just going fall apart, literally.
Wouldn't say so to be honest, Phos had a whole, huge arc between these two moments. It's made as clear as day by the way it's framed by these two bookends and Phos's thoughts mirroring each other ("I must take everyone from Sensei" vs "he was always kind to me" and "I can't speak the truth because Euclase would think I was tampered with" vs "I can't lie because Euclase would see through me") because the mega arc going from chapter 57 to 76 has the reveal that Antarc can't be brought back right in the middle of it
Gavin King
official size finally located
Brody Garcia
Brandon Foster
At least on Yea Forums, It's one of the most popular non shounen series that doesn't have an anime currently airing, I wouldn't call it less popular than it deserves
Juan Bailey
If only Phos listened to Shinsha's warnings.
Alexander Flores
Yes. Buy the micropenis.
David Brown
>tfw you will never Phos' balls
Nicholas Bailey
Good I think.
Easton Edwards
The last 20 chapters have a way of presenting Phos as a Buddha-like figure and showing why he so far failed at it, leaving Phos in a worse place than he started from.
It all starts on chapters 55-56: Phos is completely unique in being the only gem crazy enough to willingly get on the moon, learn the truth and survive it. Just surviving the truth and being able to keep it together is presented as an enlightenment-like moment on the lotus tower. It's noteworthy how since he gets on the moon, he fully amalgamates Lapis's consciousness into his character, as Lapis is never again shown as a partly separate voice that Phos can hear (lastly seen in ch52).
The price Phos pays is believing Aechmea's lies, falling to temptation and become a tempting figure himself. Chapter 56 has Phos think he came up with the idea of betraying Kongo himself, while we see the subtle hints Aechmea drops on their dinner and the "fake deep thinking face" he makes upon hearing Phos's proposal mocked by Cicada's impression on chapter 66's opener: moreover, the way Phos calls the prince's name for the first time is framed as a means he can trump him, but the next pages are Phos literally surrounded by aechmea plants.
The premise of Phos being a Buddha-like figure is that he finally acquires all three parts of humanity (slug legs, gem body, moon eye), opening the possibility of hosting the human particle. Still, he may not ready for that yet, seeing as 1. the eye is synthetic 2. eyes, both in Buddhism and in the series, are presented as on obvious metaphor for a worldview so this is Phos basically drinking Aechmea's kool-aid.
His ch57-76 arc then goes to show us Phos struggling with his role: he goes on to single-handedly induce the single greatest change in the houseki universe since Red Dia was born, yet he fails at his goals and demonstrating what being a superior, enlightened creature known as "human" is about because he thought he had to betray his own nature because of it.
Jack Cooper
Based and goodpilled.
Jace Thompson
Most of Phos's journey in those 20 chapters is marked by visual or thematic references to his nature of enlightened being too, at least in its first half, except most of the times there's a weird spin on it suggesting that it's been constructed to appear so:
>he has a momentous flash of enlightenment (except he's been manipulated)
>he's granted a new vision (except the new eye is synthetic)
>his appearance is remade, he's dressed like a prince now and distinctly visually different from anyone else (Gotama Buddha being a prince)
>he does the Maitreya pose, by which Ichikawa signals he's opening the end times and bringing redemption (except he does the former but spectacularly fails at the latter)
>he occupies the bodhisattva seat in the moon vessel meant to remind us of the Amida raigo imagery (except he's associating with Lunarians who only use the imagery but don't understand it)
>Cicada morphs into his Mara form -people thought it would belong to Aechmea as he's the main antagonist but Cicada using it as a fake persona while being in cahoots with Phos means that the nature of tempter Mara has now applies to Phos
>when Phos gets dropped into water for good as Sensei destroys the ship, he doesn't touch water directly since Cicada catches him, so his purifying rebirth (water being that is a major imagery of Ichikawa's works) isn't really fulfilled
>Phos pretends he's forgotten, which used to happen when he lost pieces of himself, which is in some sense foreshadowing the truth
Analyzing Phos as a Maitreya analog would be a long effort and I'm too lazy for that, but I think one of the reasons Sensei didn't try to stop Phos when he came back is that he could sense Phos's progress to become a redeeming figure. Sure assuming the human particle was there would be a mechanical way of explaining this, though seeing as both the glimpses of Adamant's dreams we catch and his seeming attempts at praying are connected to Phos's actions and circumstances it wouldn't be a stretch.
Jose Anderson
Phos will probably get a real pearl eye from Variegatus.
Easton Edwards
Is it gay if you have no gender?
Colton Butler
It has 3D as a pleb filter but it's just not a mainstream high action show like a jump shounen or Attack on Titan. If you go to other communities, it is always highly regarded. It just doesn't have the same mass appeal as other shows to get huge fanbases.
Hudson Fisher
>p r a i s e t h e m.jpg
Brayden Wilson
It's even gayer.
I wouldn't say it's likely, honestly. Phos's journey in order to become an enlightened being includes manifesting his full Buddha-nature for sure, but in-story Ichikawa created a lore where she does her usual business -create a context where the usual becomes eerie and the weird is normalized. If humans are constructed as something uncanny and foreign, then it's not out there that Phos becoming "human" (although in what sense we don't know) has to incorporate all parts of humanity, even the moonies. Yes they might serve as antagonists but they carry part of the humans' legacy, the synthetic pearl proved too much for Phos because he felt he had to adhere to his newfound role: he succeeded at bringing change, but he couldn't do what the moonies wanted him to do. I think that's the idea behind Aechmea forcibly installing the eye unto Phos, it's the first time he gets a new piece that's not freely offered as a gift but still ultimately needed.
Nathaniel Rivera
As in substituting the synthetic one? Don't think so. I still stand by Aleki's suggestion meaning that Phos's changes can't be undone and SHOULDN'T be undone. They are a metaphor for Phos changing, and true change is painful but ultimately good.
Joseph Hernandez
Is it worth going through so many changes if in the end you're alone and nobody likes you?
Daniel Thomas
In the last 3 months I've injured my legs, broken an arm and now broken my neck. This all started after I cosplayed Phos. Help. Ichikawa is going to kill me at this rate.
Noah Moore
Change is worthwhile when it means coming to terms with your feelings, it's not change for the sake of it (as Dia first suggested). A true change won't mean you get a happy ending, because it doesn't change the circumstances around you, also people usually don't like being confronted with the need of outing a conflict and openly suiting yourself to find a solution to it.
But change is the only thing that, as sensei suggests in this page that totally isn't reminding of the teachings of Zen Buddhism as the imagery of his head being surrounded by a halo is totally coincidential, will leave you open to personal resolution and finding peace. That's usually the sort of stuff that reverberates around you, leading to some "butterfly effects, although one could say it's a matter of putting your mind in believing that.
Jonathan Barnes
Phos would take that if it meant she could save everyone else
Christopher Reed
>that's bullshit but I believe it
although it would be hilarious if true (minus the broken neck maybe)
cosplay Karen next so you'll become kawaii
Wyatt Price
I always like Phos.
I will always love Phos!
Kayden Taylor
Yeah, to replace it. Phos pearl eye is synthetic, and symbolises him essentially being "enslaved" by Aechmea. Him getting a new eye to show him rejecting the moonies and attaining actual freedom would make sense.
The eye also doesn't seem to be fully integrated into his body, since it can't close or even move sometimes.
The human particle likely is made of things from all three races. But just like everything the moonies do, it's lazy and cheap immitation of the real thing. It's created without any understanding of humanity, and so the eye, being synthetic, makes Phos into a "fake human".
Therefore Phos will lose it, only to become a "real human" made of the seven treasures by the end of the story. Phos' journey of acquiring the treasures throughout the story has simultaneously been giving him "human traits", both physically and mentally.
>gold is like blood/bones (if the platinum plated arm speculation is true this will be even more apparent)
>Lapis is the brain
>Agate is like muscle, as it makes Phos strong and athletic
>Phos learns the concept of death, due to Antarc, and learns desparation, curiosity, depression, arrogance, humility, etc. But most importantly he has the drive to seek change, which is the most human thing about him that all the other gems lack.
So through all these experiences, Phos becomes a "real" human.
People have already speculated that Phos will replace the Moon eye with Sensei's cintamani eye, to become a true Buddha.
Colton Robinson
Something more about Phos as an antagonist figure of temptation in the first half of his failed Buddha arc is how driven he gets. He deliberately creates situations where he could 'tempt' the gems and preach the moon's gospel in a sense. I might be reaching since Phos is simply counting the Japanese way in pic related, but that can also be read as Phos forming the gyan mudra, the Hindu/Buddhist hand position signifying knowledge, and the start of his new position as the "teaching leader". Before this, Phos had only been a strong gem but we see his role evolve into one of a proper leader of people. Except in doing so he starts 'dehumanizing' the gems, reducing them to targets of his preaching: he starts doing the same with Kongo too. This will reach its zenith in the night raid, but it starts here, and the way Phos frames it could be reminding of Sensei's words in the first chapter about Phos becoming stronger than him. Being so obtuse to the freedom he's left with he constructs it as some false security (which happens again with the 'armor of love' speech), Phos sets out to 'break' Sensei, wanting to prove himself harder than the hardest thing in a sense. The irony being that at the end of the arc he gets his metaphorical result but he's physically shattered by Karen's Vajra (Vajra=Kongo)
Jayden Smith
Even bigger meme was I was in the middle of making a LaPhos costume. Karen a shit, would rather do Lapis.
Spoilers because broke neck ye
Leo Jenkins
>it's true
What the fuck, you've been personally cursed by this manga then
Get well soon user, eat some lotus seed to symbolize you've accepted Ichikawa's challenge
Daniel Fisher
Sorry user, prepare to become Buddha
Chase Reyes
>the physical TF theory again
I don't hate it but it sounds like something a moonie would come up with, reducing psychological betterment to a bodily issue. Also moonies are 1/3 ningen too so how could a 100% ningen have no moon influence according to your own theory? There's nothing to suggest that and it seems to clash with the manga's general direction.
Also
>all we know points to the particle being actually "human", what the moonies could not do was a fully sapient being
>the pearl likely IS one of the treasures already
>Phos never has had a single setback reguarding new bodyparts
>synthetic only means "artificially fully grown on moon material only", not fake -so it's not bad per se
>moonies are needed to make a full human so what's human in them would need to be embraced, not rejected
>from what we've seen, gems taken to the moon = slowly buying into temptations because they can't change, gem who had both eyes substituted = fully embraced the moon and their values, it would make sense that Phos had one gem eye and one moon eye to balance the two worldviews and bring real change
Levi Morales
Michael Thomas
Go to a jewelry as soon as you can
If touching gold makes it bond with your body you know you're the chosen one
Austin Bailey
Is there any kind of third eye symbolism in Buddhism?
Nicholas Mitchell
Happened on my 21st birthday and I got a gold chain as a gift. This is getting worrying.
Gavin Sanchez
Well, I hope you aren't too fond of your eyes...
Joshua Howard
There's a lot actually
The Shakyamuni (the historical Buddha) was said to have a third eye open when he attained enlightenment, which was "visible" as a shining light on his forehead when he did something miraculous or taught higher truths. Many statues of him have in fact this special third eye made visible, symbolizing he attained the ability of seeing the world as it "really" is (or not-is actually).
Some schools of Buddhism adhere to the idea that this metaphorical opening is possible for scholars and followers too and have developed techniques of explaining its deeper sense in long-winded theories and scripts
Another way this 'third eye' is present in Buddhist teaching is Tantric Buddhist schools using it as a way for the meditating to visualize their inner view in connection with yoga positions. It's basically what this page alluded to, look at how they touch his forehead which is reminding of real Buddhistic schools practices.
Dylan Young
I liked your story better when I thought it was fake.
Brandon Phillips
Would probably just become a moonie at that stage. Has unironically put me off cosplaying Phos again which is annoying. Not sure if I feel like tempting fate again. Cutest gem brings misfortune even IRL
Josiah Scott
Something that didn't quite strike me when I wrote my post earlier is that Phos as a tempter and a "diabolical" figure of sorts (as in trying to separate what's one)is that it helps in rereading chapter 61.
Phos makes his offer to Shinsha, then gets rejected because that would imply willingly causing suffering to one who doesn't deserve it.
Then he remakes his offer every night peeking three other times into Shinsha's cave. Every time we see the dangling head a day has passed, and he remakes his point by trying to be more suave and sweet, ignoring Shinsha's feelings and trying to basically 'buy' him.
You might think Shinsha was being a cunt, but the "you're beloved even the moon" reply is a deliberate callback to chapter 2 as a way of telling Phos that if he thought he could buy him then they've made no progress from then. It's only then that Phos pulls out his trump card ("we could remove your poison" with the emphasis on *we* that's going to be played against him later), the final and ultimate temptation for Shinsha, but at that point it rings hollow and utilitarian-like.
The one who should've been Phos's main and delighted "disciple" has rejected his word, precisely because it didn't come from the "truer" Phos whom Shinsha knows better than anyone else.
It's worth noting that this might be another play/inversion on the historical Buddha preaching to and making ten main disciples with the one usually retained in more honor (Shariputra) being the wisest one. Phos literally says he'd get ten gems in chapter 59 and in fact "preaches" to ten of them, but the wisest one rejects him -well, plus Red Beryl, Rutile, Sphene and Peridot so all of this might be in fact reaching even if the number 10 is undoubtedly there
Bentley Bennett
Sweet the Suffering thread is still up.
Gavin Morgan
That's because unlike others this one is GOOD CIVILIZATION.
Kayden Fisher
Sometimes I wonder about old gemfags and their present circumstances but then I'm scared to ask in fear they might've gotten cursed like that user
Gabriel Hernandez
W-whats in the cylinder?
Levi Lee
Antarcticite solution, only solid when kept cool (hence the fridge) if i remember rightly.
Did anything happen to Antarc-user, or is it just the effects of time until we get S2 NEVER?
Juan Martin
Cute gemdick. Only for gentle sex.
Christian Campbell
William Nelson
which fight has been best so far.
Nathan Gutierrez
F user, get better soon.
>tfw I take pictures of hnk cosplayers and found a really good euclase but dont want to post 3dpd
Henry Russell
Probably ditched the threads like most of us did. Last I checked he dismantled the shrine though, I think he said something about it being unsustainable? Been too long though.
Angel Powell
Dylan Johnson
Well you already posted it, didn't you? Shiro vs Bort/Phos then Dia was pretty cool too I guess.
Something I'll look forward to if we get s2 would be berserker Phos OHKO'ing moonies with the gold as he gets on the moon
noice
Zachary Long
Jesus user. Will it heal?
Joseph Morris
I went to a con last week and a Phos&Dia were there -the uniform was appropriate and show-like, the Dia wig not so much though. The Phos had green hair and patched some transparent green plastic leaves to it to a surprisingly decent effect.
The whole cosplay mostly worked because the two were legit womanlets even if they couldn't be bothered to constrain their breasts
Colton Ward
post it you cuck
Tyler Perry
Post pics
Colton Thompson
Why would I take pictures?
Parker Jackson
imagine that mouth in your dick haha
Josiah Walker
who need the others?
Cameron Foster
humans
William Diaz
you are like a stigmata
Aaron Campbell
Why wouldn't you?
Do you think Phos can shape her gold into a vagina? Haha
James Roberts
Can we call him stigmanon? Haha
Evan Rogers
yes haha maybe he will pray for us in the future
Isaac Thomas
This is quite interesting. What about the night raid then?
Colton Price
This fanart is kino
Samuel Jones
>manga pv art style
That's gonna be a Yikes from me.
Ayden Taylor
you do realise that's how Ichikawa used to colour right?
Lucas King
But in reality, for the gems, isn't changing/adding new parts to their body something that affects them psychologically already? That's pretty obvious from what we saw when Lapis' head was attached to Phos.
Jaxon Hall
>implying that a medium restriction/forced design choice is what it should always be like
Sure, it may be what it was in the Manga, but that doesn't mean it looks great or is the best way of drawing and faking that light refraction.
Julian Reyes
Honestly I like all the different ways she has coloured so far, including the "what even is light ?" from the start.
Leo Davis
Its not gay at all, but anons refer to gemdicks which are canon on these threads.
Anthony Bailey
Shinsha's boyfriend is so cute.
Kevin Davis
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE PHOS!!!!!!1!
Isaac Collins
He only ever got more and more attractive as time went on.
Noah Sullivan
It should be noted that this theory rings true mainly because physical changes to the gems also induce psychological changes at the same time. There is precedent for this as well, as we can see from when Phos got Lapis' head, if Phos' arms undergo a change, there is a high likely hood that there will be a psychological change that goes along with Phos' arms get mercuried and losing the outer layer of gold.
Jaxson Cook
Ryder Rogers
THIS THREAD IS NOW BAD CIVILIZATION!
Colton Collins
We need to view Houseki no Kuni from a different perspective. What about applying Greek Philosophy to Phos?
Brandon Lewis
...
Connor Flores
>short hair bort can't be fabulous with jellyfish hair
constantly finding new ways to suffer
Logan Adams
Phos will kill/fuck the parents?
Joseph Clark
Oedipus + Craig
Liam Walker
Ah, so that's why it's rock type.
Nathan Cook
I see.
Landon Hughes
That's good - Goldfinger is the better film, with the better villain.
"No, Mr. Phos, I expect you to die! Miss Phos. Mx. Phos, whatever. Just die."
Jeremiah Cooper
Elaborate please? I'm a baka.
Thomas Morgan
I get Horus heresy vibes
Xavier James
Only character in anime more cucked than Homura.
Cameron Rivera
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE PHOSSSSS!!!!11!!!!1!1!
Nathaniel Bell
Angle between the swords is 88 degrees 33 arc-second.
James Perez
>88
84*
Cooper Wood
You can't make this shit up lads.
Post Phos cosplay.
Aaron Ortiz
>tfw will never fuck a rock
Logan Gomez
what in the fuck. How many things did we miss?
Kayden Thomas
Even the butterflies don't like Phos anymore
Cooper Moore
The whole entire manga can be interpreted through the lens of 'Diogenes was right all along'
>be me, Red Diamond
>wash up on the beach of beginnings
>apply my consciousness to the task at hand, crawling through the sand
>DaddyBF-type shows up and adopts me
>teaches me that being naked is bad for some reason, and that I should be embarrassed of my body
>makes me wear some organic woven-grass kleidung
>itchycrotch.jpg
>convinces me that I should emulate him further, powdering my rocks to be all white like DaddySensei
>starts teaching me higher concepts than the immediate, bring into my awareness the concept of meaning and my lack thereof
>teaches me in an outside classroom
>uses only tree on the island to make a fucking desk
>nice ecosystem you have there
>spend more and more of my time wishing I had a purpose beyond 'exist' now that 'exist' is insufficient
>one day, a gem sibling is born
>softer than me
>Sensei decides we need shelter
>finds a suitable rock/hill thing
>carves shelter into it
>WE LITERALLY LIVE IN A PLATO'S CAVE
>continue to suffer into eternity until
>suffering only ended by the most degenerate of the spirits taking me away and molesting me into a coma before grinding me down
Meanwhile, under the SEA ARC, the admirabilis are happily just eating shit, fucking their siblings, eating shit again, floating around, and all happily and without the need for possessions or clothing. I see you, Ichikawa, I know that you take minimalism beyond even the ascetic end of Japanese tradition, I know that this manga was really titled "Diogenes no Idiot"
Jason Gutierrez
Not them, but this suggests Craig has a thing about sensei from when he was ghost/cairngorm, possibly due to him being inaccessible when Ghost was in control and likely also from Sensei just being Sensei (only Antarc got close enough for cuddles, and that was in secret).
As a result, as soon as he's 'free' and mooned, he goes for the most Sensei-like character he can, that being Aechmea, to fulfill the role of a romantic Sensei. He's not attracted to Aechmea per se, but to how he can project Sensei onto Aechmea (both being enigmatic and distant leader/father figures)
Jason Nguyen
>gentle
u gon lern
Jonathan Ortiz
Our marriage
Parker Jackson
craig you literally ran off with the antagonist you moonslut
Cameron Hall
>My AAAAH I LOVE GHOST is there.
Dylan Perez
I don't get that arc-second thing, I'm so stupid.
Zachary Bailey
but what does it mean
Jacob Harris
I was gonna say the fanbase, then i realized most of you come from Yea Forums
Jonathan Taylor
>Yea Forums
I wouldn't be surprised if more of half of them are straight from tumblr
Dylan Flores
1 degree = 1 hour
1/6-th of a degree = 1 arc-minute
Carson Moore
Cinnabar get off Yea Forums
Tyler Carter
Was about halfway through the LaPhos costume.
Yeah, 6 weeks min in the neck thing.
Surely 3D is ok if it's related? HnK has some great cosplayers, aesthetic af
Spoilers for 3D Phosu cosplay proof
Justin King
That's actually pretty good.
Mason King
Nice trips
post legs
Joseph Sanchez
This was a good thread
Emphasis on was
Dylan Perez
Which gems do you anons identify with the most?!
Mine's Yellow because I want to fucking die. Pic unrelated, I just love Rutile.
Grayson Brown
Post
>fun
Gemns
Thomas Lopez
Cinnabar, Neptunite, and a bit of Phos.
Lucas Cooper
>we had long hair Phos for 1 (ONE) chapter
I will never not be mad
Elijah Hernandez
Clever
Oliver Rodriguez
Jade!
Brandon Smith
Good taste, however, PHOS!
Xavier Carter
Cute, I want to cosplay phos someday aswell
Michael White
Ponytail LaPhos must return.
William Davis
Gavin Ross
I think the "failed bodhisattva" arc is structured the way it is in order to have the 'Antarc can't be revived' moment right in the middle of it in order to make clear that the way Phos was pushed by Aechmea to adopt a certain identity for convenience was ultimately doomed to fail because his real desires clash with that. That's why he repeats Antarc's last words but reversing their meaning -the way he tries to cope is to stop himself from feeling anything (he keeps saying that Sensei is nothing but "a machine") in order to adhere to his own, flawed concept of enlightenment which redpilling the gems about the conflict. That's why he comes up with the night raid as a response to Aechmea's "Kongo gave you freedom" speech.
Still, in doing that he manifests his inner turmoil and how he's really not all in with his persona yet, so the story keeps giving visual reminders of his failed enlightenment, leading to Phos losing everything he has
>pic related is Phos seemingly inside the octagon but in fact outside of it
>the very gems he fought with against the boardgame (Phos was struck by the kindness of fighting as a team in ch43) now tell him they don't know him anymore
>he literally breaks the school bell (bells=peace, meditation) as his appeal to change is rejected
>he then loses his motivation to fight (Shinsha), his strength (bisected by Bortz), his wise counselor (Parappa), his confidence (Euclase), his head and the ability to keep it together (Karen with a Vajra), and his partner too (Karen's dialogue in the ship)
>ch 72 has Phos wake up to the reality that his tempter persona failed as his double identity failed on both parts
Cairo's words then help him reassess who he is by making him reflect on how his duplicitous self was a way of coping with loss. That's why after the slug talk he empties himself and intends to go back down with nothing but the truth and a humble appeal.
Isaiah Garcia
What about Red Dia raping Aechmea?
Jaxson Ortiz
>ch 72 has Phos wake up to the reality that his tempter persona failed as his double identity failed on both parts
This also makes sense with how Phos starts behaving the like GenkiPhos after the Night Raid. In spite of the situation he's in, this is the most "GenkiPhos" he has outwardly been since Antarc died.
Also Phos has stopped using his Alloy like high heels, since that was in order to imitate the "strong Antarc".
Julian Baker
That's because no powder.
Angel Young
I cant and its great
Connor Clark
That's bullshit user. Karen probably despises sensei now. Sensei was suposed to be the protector of the gems, the one who will always help them, who gives them a reason to live. The moment Aechmea says thst sensei could have known about the "still existence" of Ghost was the last drops for Craig.
Carmen fell in love for the first one who showed a helping hand for her and her only. And touched her where she wanted to be touched. The first gem who preffers to be carresed instead of receing full of love headpats.
Buuut Aechmea might have switched from twinkmea to hunkmea for a "father friendly" reason. To look somewhat similar to sensei and give the gems a sense of security Adamant gives the gems. And yet, the way Ichikawa is romanticizing the cairnmea shit show, i wouldn't be surprised if Aech simple changed his form to seduce Cairo in some way, expecting for gem to fall in his arms sooner or later (there's even a wacky ass theory about both being lovers in past a life, but some bullshit about Catvomit being too good and him too evil, and for their luck they got reincarnated, that's why he was straight up saying Karen was his wife before the political marriage)
Andrew Harris
I love you, user. Keep posting your ideas.
Sebastian Thomas
Tbh Karen never seemed to care about Kongou. Which is strange.
Daniel Hughes
ICHIKAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Chase Cox
Calm down Striborg. Whats the matter?
John Torres
The matter is myself, getting into a series of this nature that's released FUCKING MONTHLY
I'm aching for LEAKS
Thomas Jackson
Yeah. Actualy, Carmen didn't even seemed to like the other gems. Aside from "Phos" friendship, She seens like a very distant gem. The gems act as if they were brothers, but Karen's attitude seems more like that of a work colleague towards the other gems.
Jaxon Foster
Well he spent 90% of his existence as a ghost (ironically) and was only known as "That weirdo that sometimes takes over Ghost".
His time in explicit contact with the gems and Sensei must have been extremely limited, with his autonomous time almost always spent alone and/or working.
It seems pretty likely that he'd develop a personality like that.
Also, it makes it extremely easy for him to fall for someone like Aechmea, that not only releases him from the shackles of his shared identity, but gives him a new one that he's loved for.
Connor Hernandez
Uh. I feel the same way. Since i discovered the houseki threads a year and a half ago i developed a strange anxiety that starts exactly on the 17 of every month. I think i really got addicted... And it doesn't feel good...
But remember, people is only allowed to yell "LEAKS WHEN" on day 19.
Ethan Gonzalez
But she out of nowhere became super friendly with the moon people. But people can argue that's probably a duty for being the princess
Nathaniel Gray
Just four days.
Alexander Wood
I unironically cried when reading the last panel on the last chapter. Especially on the panel on the right of >pic related and the panel where it showed Phos (cutely) hiding inside of sensei's cape.
Christian Nelson
kek, lel, lmao, epic, based and redpilled
Jose Hernandez
Being a cute dork.
Being a cute suffering dork.
Parker James
Never ever
Luke Cox
Sutranika is indeed a buddhist term, at least in the chinese buddhism. Probably is related with the tibetan buddhism and the tantric practices and recently the moonies are showing some conections with the tibetan buddhism (like the rainbow body thing)
Colton Ward
So why is the tripfag replying to himself?
Gavin Howard
Welcome to HnK threads, newgem. Might I interest you in lurking for a thread or two before posting?
Robert Ortiz
Why is the tripfag replying to himself? Thread should've died overnight.
Angel Perry
>Vajra is in the heart of Sutranika
Didn't Cairn have a Vajra
Josiah Long
Sure i guess you're right. I got a few more pics of 2 conventions. ill blur the face since i dont know this person.
Your wig is nice but maybe add reflective plastic like how I see others do
Zachary Myers
white no antarc
Easton Phillips
That wig is great. Did you make that as well?
Robert Moore
Leaks?
Juan Price
Come back in a week
Alexander Russell
here
Austin Lee
Here
Kayden Brown
Dylan Gutierrez
Not a bad imitation of Ichikawa's art except for the odd looking Cinnabar
pfft
Robert Murphy
I can't believe Sensei fucking killed Phos
Juan Bennett
Training with Phos!!
youtu.be
Daniel Hughes
>Nothing personnel, kind childo
Mason Lewis
AAAAAAAAAAA
I LOVE PHOS
Easton Lewis
real fucking question here
why didn't rutile just take some of the material from padparadsha's hair and try to fill the holes with it? are the inclusions in hair not good or something?
Jace Cook
Their hair isn't substantial enough to replace large amounts of solid material, cracks seems to be the limit of what they can fill. There's not many inclusions in their hair, either.
Alexander Roberts
>dude why didn't Rutile just put hair in hole??
Tyler Foster
So how are things going to go disastrously wrong next chapter?
Luke Russell
phos gets ambushed mercuried immediately, ends up knocked out for a few days/weeks and the moonies start invading since he failed
Owen Cooper
Why does the Prince have so much faith in Phos anyway?
Anthony Miller
Zachary Martin
Being cute.
Leo Harris
because the butt
Hudson Martinez
I'm not convinced he does, I honestly think he's banking on Phos failing. But he has to put trust in Phos cause they're the first gem who was willing to cooperate and using a gem traitor against Sensei was a plan worth trying.
Easton Powell
I love your posts user. Do you think the shooting star Phos saw a few chapters back might have some special meaning?
Cooper Ross
Buddhanon say something about Lapis coming back before he leaves us forever
Adam Scott
I doubt he has more faith in Phos than whatever he has going on the background
David Long
Why opt to refer to Phos as "he" when she's so feminine?
Blake Long
I use he and she interchangeably
Gabriel Thompson
It is strictly impossible that the Lunarians have covered the moon with gem dust. The sense of scale is wrong. The lunarians have caught 2 gems in the last 100 years. Not only that, but they are actively losing gem dust since it is continually being eaten by slugs. In the past a single slug has fully eaten Phos and integrated her gem structure to her shell. Any slug of similar size can eat gem whole as snack. The lunarians cannot have the material to spread on one moon and worse of all, they claim they are working on covering all 6 moons at the same time. In a recent chapter Aechmea claims that Cairngorm has always caught his eye and that it's why he has stashed away his arm, stolen 102 years ago. The truth which is far more likely that Archmea has the arm because the Lunarians have all of the gem fragments safely stashed away and everything about the moon dust is lies.
Ian Scott
Consider also the following: when Phos arrived at the moon for the first time, feigning capture, the less-important lunarians showed a lot of excitement. Their behavior fitted the theory that they are using captured gems for jewelry, they gloated and revelled at the colors and shapes of the crystal. Their behavior does not fit at all the theory that they are throwing away everything they capture. It is only after Aechmea showed up and started putting up a show that the other lunarians started singing a different tune.
Chase Bennett
Never question the 6 trillion grains of dust again, you anti-gemite
Brandon Martin
Because read the manga
Also Phos is no Dia
Connor Flores
Look I'm just saying the maths don't add up, also isn't it suspicious that gemdust denial and lunarian revisionism is banned on all six moons?
Grayson Davis
is ichikawa redpilled?
Xavier Wilson
I agree that the whole moon being covered in gems is far fetched even with how long the moonies have been capturing gems, but pic related shows normal moonies excited to throw phos into the grinder, so I doubt aechma was just bullshitting on the fly. The lines about phos being pretty might just be a callback to all the times early on when characters said the moonies like phos's color. We know they have the ability to make synthetic gems and all the time in the world so I think a more likely explanation is some of the dust is fake as well as the arm aechma showed crabgrass. This could raise the question about fake gemdust fucking up the gem restoration but I still don't think aechma really intends to revive the gems in the first place since he has no reason to.
very, she is also based
Landon Peterson
HOLY FUCK IS IT REAL
Jack Cox
Never mind.
Colton Jenkins
>that antarc fragment was real
Juan Thompson
A good point, but it doesn't blow away my suspicions. That scene where the lunarians claim to be eager to grind Phos only happens after the Aechmea has claimed they are grinding gems. They could easily have improvised a scene to support their leader's tale. Before Aechmea arrived, the gems were excited about catching a gem whole. Generally speaking, people are happy about finding a large gem whole because they intend to sculpt it. It shouldn't matter at all for people who intend to turn it into dust. Additionally the lunarians say "the hands, are they gold? what do we do with them, we better ask" which sounds like small talk about storage, it sounds like the lunarians are wondering how to label and put in boxes the unusual hands. If they were going to dust the gem, if they didn't care about anything other than producing dust, they wouldn't hesitate about the gold hands, it's useless to them and it would go straight into the garbage. If they don't know where to put the hands, that means it's not going to garbage, that means it's intended for storage. If the hands were going into storage, wasn't everything else too?
Liam Cox
Kek. A rollercoaster of emotion.
William King
It probably was real. What the other explanation? The lunarians randomly decided to make an exact statue of Antarc and then shattered it into tiny pieces and kept the mess laying around on their front lawn? Or Aechmea kept a piece in his pocket for luck? It didn't look like a block of artificial crystal. It looked like an eye from a shattered statue. Or a real gem.
Nathaniel Barnes
ghost is never coming back
Andrew Perez
No, the moral of the story is that you can't keep destroying yourself to make things better.
Jacob Cox
>dress like women
>dicks
you're fucking retarded
Isaiah Hughes
is that a challenge?
Anthony Ramirez
>morals
this manga attracts the most cesspit of shit that i have ever witnessed on Yea Forums
Isaac Bailey
fuck off back to shithole
Isaiah Carter
>muh morals
>muh pain
>muh dead manga discussion
Gavin Turner
antarc is never coming back
Nathan Evans
Omg you stupid fucking retard, they are gay because the fucking gem characters are all "women". Dumb fuck Yea Forums
Nathan Cooper
a moment of silence for the gem we have lost
youtube.com
James James
>user unironically believes this
John Hughes
>Ichikawa designed the character I have fapped the most to
Nice
Ryan Rodriguez
Kayden Cooper
Shinsha are you ok
Henry Davis
Phos is the most ressilient gem mentally and physically that he has encountered thus far.
Also, Buddhism.
Ryder Kelly
This is a good point. There's a clear difference in behaviour before and after Aechmea shows up.
Also, Aechmea is probably using inclusions for the human experiment, so they're valuable. The dust doesn't have to be real since Sensei can't tell the difference anyway.
There's also the theory that Aechmea is simply keeping the gems related to Phos (Antarc, Ghost, Cairn's arm) in one piece, because he needs Phos in particular and has been following his progress since the snail vore arc.
Carter Lee
>gem freckles
Top cute.
Kevin Parker
Phos is both one of the strongest and the weakest gems due to how unstable he is, I don't think Aechmea wants to count on someone that unreliable without some very careful manipulation going on
Eli Butler
truth
They probably use masculine identifiers because they want to be like Sensei. Don't think about it too hard though, they're minerals after all. Also even the most outright feminine appearing character in the series refers to herself as 'king' so Ichikawa just likes gender fuckery like that.
Lincoln Edwards
OP here. Why is this thread still up
Nathaniel Perry
because i love phos
Ayden Kelly
because we love (bullying) Phos
Hunter Cooper
Because OP is a fag
Xavier Brown
nice art
Michael Baker
Being a ship of Theseus illustration.
Jace Turner
He was never the same since """the incident""""
Eli Evans
I want to grab the initial Phos, save her from her cruel fate and then bully her for being a dork.
Noah Perez
corrupted
that's a good bort
Oliver Phillips
bump
Lucas Thomas
How could you bully this sweet angel?
Brody Mitchell
I think you're in the wrong thread
Evan Brooks
Jackson Myers
So here's a question for all of you. Why keep the threads bumped? What's the purpose in doing so?
Levi Thomas
Leaks are coming soon
Owen Brown
In several days. No point in having this up anymore since discussion died yesterday. When leaks show up make a thread then.
Dylan Diaz
I just like posting fanart
Hudson Johnson
Assuming uniform mass density for the moons, each volume of the 6 moons in HnK add up to that of the original moon. Since the surface area scales with the square of the radius while the volume scales with the cube, this means that the total surface area of the 6 moons is actually larger by a power of 3/2 after splitting from the original moon.
Taking our moon to be around 3*10^13 m^2 and a grain of sand to be 9*10^-8 m^2 in surface areas this would mean it takes 10^29 grains of sand to cover all 6 moons. Multiplying by the volume of a grain of sand 2.5*10^−10 m^3 we'd need 10^19 m^3 of gems for this. Take the average human to have 70L as volume, this'd mean we'd need 10^20, or 100 quintillion gems need to get dusted.
Now this is assuming the moons split while conserving mass. If we have some mass ratio P of the mass being conserved, we'd have 6P*V to our total volume of the 6 moons we have, and this leads to a factor of (6P)^(3/2) in front of the number of gems above. To bring this down to an order of (let's say) 10^2 to make Aechmea's claims believable, we'd need P to be around 10^-13, meaning less than one-part-per 10 trillion of the mass is conserved in the collisions.
So yes, Aechmea is probably lying.
Evan Fisher
>Muh pain
Phos will gain access to the 6 paths of pain
Landon Wright
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
LEAKS WHEN?
Camden Harris
Do y'all have housekifriends outside of Yea Forums threads?
Logan Scott
Just one, he cool
Carter Clark
I’ve somehow wound up with a handful of HnK friends on Twitter, went to a con a few months ago and met some of them irl. Pretty cool bunch.
Chase Foster
I got my friend into it. Not as much of a fan as me but we discuss chapters together sometimes
John Green
A few; but I'd really like to meet some more. Was honestly surprised to find so many in Aus. Gemfriends are really nice to have!
Jacob Diaz
user, people are only legally allowed to ask for the leaks on day 19.
Cooper Garcia
I shit post about gems enough on discord to make people read/watch it but that's about it
Still looking for a gem bf
Colton Roberts
I-I'll be your gem bf
I don't look nearly as good as Bortz cosplay user though
Lucas Cruz
Well I prefer twinks bortz is too thicc for me
Andrew Long
Maybe theres something about living in a country with nothing to see but rock for miles that makes us aussies like gems.
I don’t have any friends though, gemfriends or otherwise
Tyler Hernandez
Alexander Davis
Was this ever a question?
Connor Fisher
I'm pals with drawanon irl, does that count?
James Adams
> B-word
Luke Clark
Will Pad go to the ocean with Phos?
Jace Bailey
I wish I was as cool as Paddypapa!
Adrian Reed
I'm her wife, does that count?
Nolan Bennett
Nah, Pads is still out of action as far as we know, and has zero reason to care about the Admirabillis other than their quality as walking sacks of gemdust. I don't think anyone is going to save Phos this time.
Joseph Sanchez
I've touched her pretty hair. What have you done?
I don't think she will due to how rekt her body is. Chadparadschad is dead.
Caleb Taylor
James Miller
Okay now I'm jealous!! LORT!
Please pat her head for me.
This thread got some nice effortpost but I'm a bit busy this week. I'll try to make a compilation as soon as possible.
Kayden Evans
What will Phos' new outfit be like?
Daniel Jones
how about no outfit
Jack Flores
fucking cancer
Andrew Gray
This. Stop sperging out over an user just because they're female.
Liam Wilson
BENITO
Nolan Thompson
I made four of my friends watch the anime. None of them was as enchanted with the series as I am, though one did follow the manga.
Jack Foster
She ded Jim
Elijah Martinez
Compilanon and Drawanon are shipped since a long moment anons...
Christopher Brown
Who? twitter name?
Jayden King
Benito is my spirit animal
@iciriini follow her! She deserves!
Wyatt Johnson
The image in the post is Ventricosus but the post is talking about Variegatus, this cutie. The names are a bit strange strange I know.
Kayden Lopez
Separating the two amethysts was a crime against humanity. They must be returned immediately and both become my gf
Colton Lopez
I want to look EXACTLY like Dia!
Connor Rogers
You can also find Rohiniposter here: twitter.com
Her Karen drawings are great so you gotta follow!
Cooper Cooper
Should I read the manga or watch the anime of this?
I'm only doing one or the other
Wyatt Miller
Pick the ascended option: read only shitposts and create a narrative that makes them fit, don't read or watch the original material
Isaiah Mitchell
I miss him
Xavier Miller
This! The best love story is from /hnk/!
Noah Green
>gf
*bf
Michael Jackson
yellow!
Caleb Brooks
Xavier Peterson
Just one, and follow drawanon, compilanon and rohini in tw.
Tyler Gonzalez
I didn't expect to wake up to a ton of answers to my question. I'm pretty jealous I want some housekifriends.
Can anyone link me their twitter?
Adam Thomas
tiny
Evan Ramirez
Cinnabar
Nathan Brown
What about when Cinnabar kills Phos next chapter?
Luke Watson
You can find Drawanon and Rohiniposter's twitters in this thread a few posts above yours.
This is Compilaslut: twitter.com
Blake Baker
Cinnabar will forgive Phos.
Blake Perez
And kill.
William Watson
Why do these rocks have child bearing hips?
Julian Wilson
They're wide in that dimension to make up for their overall flatness
David Bailey
It lowers their center of gravity for better stability.
Aaron Bell
Actually, didn't drawanon steal compilanon away from drawanon? So it's only been a few months.
Alright, but does this mean that Antarc is alive, save for his foot and eye?
Charles Murphy
>Alright, but does this mean that Antarc is alive, save for his foot and eye?
Probably not, and even if he was, he wouldn't be on Phos' side.
Anthony Myers
>away from drawanon
you mean buddhanon? Originally buddhanon and compilanon were the ship of gemthreads, but then buddhanon ascended and drawanon took compilanon
now that were on this topic, what happened to drawanon? and jadeanon? and jadeposter? and antarcposter?
Jose Foster
>drawanon
Probably jerking off to fucking fingernails
>jadeanon
Probably crying tears of joy since the next chapter is an earthchapter, and we might get a single panel of Jade
>jadeposter
Committing suicide because anons keep making threads
>antarcposter
Dead like Antarc
Antarc is in no way going to come back, because the news about Antarc being irrecoverable serves to teach Phos the true meaning of death. Antarc coming back would effectively reverse that important character development, and there's no need for an antagonistic Antarc anyway, since most of the gems are already antagonistic towards Phos currently.
Anthony Rogers
If the theory that the lunarians are lying about the gemdust is true then yes Antarc (most of him) should be alive, along with all other gems. In this context being alive probably means they're shattered and stuffed into a storage box, with some of the material potentially turned into jewelry or put on display. Under that theory Antarc might stand a better chance of remaining whole. The mineral is brittle and melts too easily, it is unsuitable for jewelry, although it could be put display in a case with controlled temperature. It's slightly ironic that if we swap around the theories, Antarc goes from least likely to be restored to most likely to be restored. He'd need a new eye I guess.
Brody Watson
>Jadeposter committing suicide
Good riddance.
Robert Robinson
this thread is proof that jadeposter was right, in spite of being a giant faggot.
Isaac Morgan
Still here faggot.
Gabriel Thomas
>same timestamp
top kek
Levi Gray
if jade is actually here, you better stop fucking around with him. It's not safe.
Matthew Phillips
since this thread is still alive I'm gonna post this comparison I always felt like making
David Perez
wow nice catch! I wonder if there's more like this.
Jonathan Mitchell
you need a big dick for that
Anthony Jenkins
>scaredjade.png
Eli Ramirez
Take a look at these fags. So assblasted that their most hated series still has a thread going, that they have to falseflag as being actual fans of the series in order for people to take them seriously.
Chase Richardson
I meant that taking a break from making threads, upped to quality of this thread, just like Jadeposter has been saying for months.
Sebastian Nguyen
David Powell
Ichikawa strikes again
Grayson Torres
I wonder if they're still partners, with how much the system has changed for gem society.
Evan Price
no that's me
Alexander Parker
If the partner system is still in place then I don't think they'd split. There's no reason for them to split
Dominic Kelly
Easton Hall
Just an autistic correction: I remember searching for that and also coming up with that link myself.
Know that that site is nothing but a copy and paste of articles found on wikipedia and other sites and that word is in fact badly carried over from a pdf -the original pdf does not in fact have that word (I think it was Sautrantika but I'm not sure). Nothing came up on searches and believe me I searched everywhere for like half a day including the use of the original Japanese. The concluson I reached is that either it was misprinted in the original (very unlikely, also Ichikawa never really used real-life Buddhistic-specific terminology in the manga aside from Sensei's name) or we still haven't found how the fuck it's supposed to be translitterated. A Japanese housekifan guessed it may be Maison Strannika (from Russian) but there's been no conclusive answer to that so who knows.
Jordan Reed
Why is there so little known about ichikawa? Is it just because we are silly foreigners or is she really that shrouded in mystery only to be named on her works?
Owen Johnson
she's a mediocre mangaka
Cameron Adams
this desu famalamasenpai
Connor Anderson
She lives in Hokkaido for starters and didn't get her debut into manga until sometimes later in her life. It's not unlikely that she might've considered working in the field of character design before she won the Tezuka prize and her manga got serialized in Afternoon.
Ryan Hernandez
Meant *she might not have
Henry Smith
Where is this image from?
Oliver Sanchez
If I remember correctly isn't she responsible for designing Lusamine and her jellyfish like pokemon?
Carson Williams
We don't know exactly which ones she designed
Henry Jackson
Good question. I'm pretty sure I saved it from an old thread, but I can't remember if the /3/ user made it or it came from another source.
We literally had this conversation earlier in the thread. This is how you know a thread has lasted too long
Josiah Price
Its looks like a camera projection
Ryan Jones
It's from some asian twitter if I remember.
Robert Nguyen
go learn a thing or two from /ic/ before posting here dumbass
Brandon Diaz
To be honest Ichikawa could take some lessons herself sometimes
Ryder Watson
Maybe the gold extends her neck
Hudson Sanchez
copy that
Jonathan Watson
>I nearly missed this excellent contribution
Fucking saved.
I really hate that single scene of Jade going into fighting in episode 6
It's wrong and it spawned wrong art
Jack Roberts
You mean the bit with the snail eating Phos? It's not like Jade was in any real danger when Euclase was with him
Xavier Russell
This is pretty cool and it definitely raises worthwhile suspicions, however no one has ever said that the moon is covered in gems at the time the manga starts. Aechmea says it's their long-term plan and they more of less have infinite time (or might have assumed they would have when they started, before Adamant started becoming more and more lethargic). Since we don't have any sort of time frame except for Antarc's "millions of centuries", we have no way of knowing how long they've been at it, but I don't think we were ever presented with lines or panels suggesting that most of the moon(s)' surface was gemdust.
Connor Ward
No, I meant that we've never seen Jade actually fight and the only time she's even seen carrying a sword is a panel background in chapter 1 (which was when characterizations were still being defined).
So chapter 12 has random gems appearing behind Sensei before Zircon jumps in front of Yellow, but the anime made it so those were Euclase and Jade, both running into battle and carrying swords, when canon Jade seemed so scared of violence that he felt incredibly bad at hitting Phos in 'Self-blame'.
The animators were probably lazy and recycled models for an unimportant background, but I don't think it's too manga-accurate to imagine that Jade goes out in the battlefield.
Christian Lee
Yeah but does the partner system really need to be in place anymore? Do the gems even patrol now?
Brandon Reyes
The lunarians never strictly say that all of the moon's surface is gemdust but they did say they have spread the moon dust on all six moons, which is absurd no matter how you look at it. They can't possibly be dumping their glittering jizzload on one moon and then have enough material left to fuck with the other 5. All the gems lived on one island, in one building, they aren't grinding a civilization to dust. Even after all these years I don't believe they could cover a single 1 kilometer square even if they didn't have slugs eating the thing.
Chase Jackson
He had no trouble hitting Sensei though to try to wake him up though.
I do get your point, but presumably the gems are brought up constantly fighting. They're only segregated to specific tasks based on their skills later in life
Robert Ward
The earth gems don't know what the lunarians are planning. Given what happened in the first night raid I think they'd actually patrol more in case another raid comes
Isaiah Torres
Is Aechmea bullshitting? Yes, probably.
But the phrase he says in that panel doesn't really imply anything more than the claim that gemdust has been scattered on all of the six moons, regardless of quantity, which really isn't passable of being a lie per se. We've seen what's likely hundreds of dusted gems both in Laphos' dream in chapter 48 and from the scope of the tanks in Barbata's lab, so what would be immediately unbelievable in the claim that out of the literal tons of gemdust, some of it was dumped on each of the six moons? We've never heard anyone say that gemdust makes up for a significant percentage of the moon's surface sand.
Chapter 69 showed us they do
Henry Lee
Now here comes something interesting. If the lunarians are lying about grinding the gems, if they have all of the gem fragments laying around in boxes (or already turned into jewelry) then why did they say they can't return certain gems? Why not say they'll return everyone? If the plan is to manipulate Phos then they don't have a reason to invent a false reason why they can only do half her request. If we follow the hypothesis that the lunarians were lying about the grinding, if they were indeed using the gems as jewelry, the most likely explanation is that they have thrown away gems with durability 5 or lower. They did grind those gems, or melted them, or used them for industrial purpose, or ejected them into space in one of their many garbage bags. The reason is simple: it sucks for jewelry. We don't make jewelry with gems that break easily, it doesn't work for us and it won't work for lunarians either. If the lunarians are making jewelry out of the gem people, the low durability material is an exception. It's useless. It's thrown away. But suddenly they had to pretend they were trying hard to return all the gems to their original state, and they need to explain why some of the material is missing, so they claim their specific method is to return the material they don't have. Their next step was to hook up machines with ARTIFICIAL gems (which we know they can make), then claim the task will take million of years, then claim the gems will have lost their memories. Everything to cover their bases.
Alexander James
the wait is killing me
Owen Richardson
>Why not say they'll return everyone?
Because they're bargaining chips. If Aechmea can get Phos to do his bidding then he's not gonna put all his cards on the table. Besides, we already know they're lazy
Wyatt Clark
>so what would be immediately unbelievable in the claim that out of the literal tons of gemdust, some of it was dumped on each of the six moons
The splitting. That's the part immediately unbelievable, the splitting of the material. The Lunarians claim they want Sensei to be able to see the glittery material across the vastness of space. The surface to cover is huge, the task is monumental, the amount of material is minuscule, therefore they should be working on a single moon, preferably the one closest to Earth, and after they're done they can think about working on the other moons. It's what they should be doing. If they aren't doing this then someone is lying somewhere.
Jacob Morris
I DO
Joshua Reed
Well, where's all the jewelry you're claiming they made then? Normal Lunarians seem to wear metal rings with only Quieta and the two assistants sometimes wearing earrings that could possibly be constructed as non-metal jewelry (and even then they'd be in the presence of observant gembutts like Parappa and Ame).
Your theory might be impossible to prove wrong, but I'd point some real life reasons to believe it's unlikely. First, there's the obvious metaphorical symbolism of the Pure Land/Houseki no Kuni as the mythological place of paradise-like restoration. Secondly, I think the 6 moons being mentioned there was just Ichikawa remembering she in fact made six moons but so far had only mentioned one when they had to be understood as part of a whole because of the previous point. Thirdly, as she said herself that some parts of the manga she makes up as she goes, the details of the Barbata restoration project weren't likely in her mind when she had Aechmea make that speech 7 months prior.
Thomas Robinson
>where's all the jewelry you're claiming they made then?
Hidden, I'd say. Aechmea would have given the order to hide them. It's the easiest part of the deception. Consider this: Sensei says the gems are turned into ornament. Sensei doesn't lie directly, he lies by omission and through clever language tricks, or he refuses to answer questions, but in general he doesn't flat out say lies. He strictly says lunarians make ornaments out of kidnapped gems.
>Thirdly, as she said herself that some parts of the manga she makes up as she goes
If she wasn't making things along, if she was hiding hints among the weird things in her story, hints that will pay off later in the narrative of her story, then she wouldn't give up the secrecy of the plot and reveal everything when asked. She would play dumb, she would lie, she would brush it off and claim she is making things along. It's what any author would naturally do. I'm not saying it's definitely what is happening, I have no way to know, I'm saying what authors would do. Authors would be bad at their job is they spoiled their own story.
Noah Taylor
Sensei's words. I don't trust the bastard but I don't think he's ever lied directly in someone's face. He'll completely freeze and refuse to speak if he has no way out.
Cameron Jenkins
>Sensei says the gems are turned into ornament.
sensei has no way of knowing what's happening with the gems on the moon. The ornaments line is likely a lie he uses so the gems don't know he is a prayer machine and the sole reason the moonies are attacking in the first place. If he knew the gems were being ground up he would have no reason not to tell it to the others since the end result is the same, Moonies bad so we fight them. And this line is in chapter 1 so it's very possible Ichikawa didn't even have the gem grinding twist planned yet
Dominic Flores
>the same discussion over and over again
>nothing new to discuss
>the same boring supposedly "oc"
Jaxon Green
>Hidden, I'd say. Aechmea would have given the order to hide them.
True, but I'd go as far as saying that if making the gems into jewelry was the moonies' goal, it's a bit strange that the Lunarians have those big, elongated earlobes which in Hindu and Buddhistic iconography are very loud and clear symbols of attachment to futile material wealth while the manga does NOT ever show those earlobes adorned with jewelry.
>Sensei says the gems are turned into ornament. Sensei doesn't lie directly, he lies by omission and through clever language tricks, or he refuses to answer questions, but in general he doesn't flat out say lies.
What's to prevent anyone from reading Sensei's words in chapter 1 as him reciting the exact quote to correct Phos? So it could be
>Well done. (starts quoting) "And now, against the endless number..."
In fact, that we never learn who wrote that introduction could hint towards it being as sketchy and flawed as the other infodumps in the manga, with Sensei only pretending to be fully in with it (same as "huh the moonies are totally returning real pieces guys")
>If she wasn't making things along, if she was hiding hints among the weird things in her story, hints that will pay off later in the narrative of her story, then she wouldn't give up the secrecy of the plot and reveal everything when asked.
That was not the point though, the interviewer had asked her about how far in advance she plans, not the specifics. It's not doing any disservice to Ichikawa to recognize that her story is not always as tightly plotted.
Adam Sanders
I miss Barrens chat.
Chase Bailey
The Lunarians and Sensei have been talking for a long time according to Aechmea (if he can be trust for that much), they had conversations that ranged from pleading to begging to threatening. These discussions haven't happened recently, we haven't seen them in modern timeline, but we were told it happened. Therefore Sensei could have been informed about the situation, it doesn't seems right to say Sensei has no way to know. If the Lunarians made threats then those threats could be "we are going to kidnap your gems and turn them into jewels" or "we are already turning gems into jewels, we are wearing them right now, look at them, and we'll keep doing it until you pray". The lunarians could have threatened to grind the gems to dust but then Sensei would just repeat that. He has no reason to invent the part about turning the gems into jewelry, so it's hard for me to think of any explanation why Sensei would say that other than the most simple reason, because it's what the Lunarians told him (and possibly shown him).
Nathan Adams
>Sensei's words. I don't trust the bastard but I don't think he's ever lied directly in someone's face.
You were saying?
Isaiah Collins
shut up retard
dead game
Justin Robinson
>Aechmea brings Antarc back to life
>Phos fucks off the moon at faster than light speed and never returns to be used in his keikaku
Oliver Morgan
How dead we talking? Perhaps... dead like this thread?
Daniel Ortiz
whew that was settled quickly
Jaxson Nguyen
Depends on what Phos means by "know"
Gavin Powell
the gems are probably boxed and used for human synthesis. The human particle and the professor had to come from SOMEWHERE
the "ornament" thing might just be referring to the weapons made out of them.
Kayden Collins
>True, but I'd go as far as saying that if making the gems into jewelry was the moonies' goal, it's a bit strange that the Lunarians have those big, elongated earlobes which in Hindu and Buddhistic iconography are very loud and clear symbols of attachment to futile material wealth while the manga does NOT ever show those earlobes adorned with jewelry.
That's really interesting! I never knew that lore about the elongated earlobe in Buddhist iconography. I've seen this trait often in their icons but didn't know it referred to the fact the Buddha used to be weighted by material wealth. With that said, this bit of trivia is convincing me of the opposite view point. If Lunarians had normal earlobe then I would believe they don't have jewelry secretly stashed away. If they do have these earlobes, but are never seen wearing jewelry, I learn toward the conclusion that it proves they are hiding it. Isn't it all the more suspicious? How come these people, who sport ears deformed by wearing heavy jewelry, are not wearing any?
Isaac Ward
Zachary Morris
wild new theory
>Cairngorm is going full princess mode for a while
>suddenly walks into a room and sees a whole fuckton of moonies holding a party or something
>all of them wearing jewlery
>she notices jewelry made of Ghost and Phos' head
>notices jewelry made of his arm
>freaks out
>Aechmea kills her because now she doesn't side with him anymore
Liam Turner
Sensei could be taking advantage of Phos' impreciseness in his questioning. Perhaps Sensei would have responded to asking what kind of relationship Sensei had with it, instead of asking if he knew it.
Connor Hill
Perhaps shiro wasn't strictly speaking a "tsukijin" but instead "tsuki inu", so technically he didn't lie to Phos.
Jonathan Nguyen
>cringe gets killed
this would be wonderful and make me feel really good
>phos head used a jewelry
this would hurt me.
Jaxson Anderson
See that makes more sense to me. I don't think Sensei lies in the traditional sense, but rather takes advantage of any imperfections in a question that he can't answer in order to answer it in a way that still technically answers the question.
Chase Morgan
Consider this: there would be functionally no difference between "gems were broken to pieces because [jewelry], could technically be revived but the low hardness ones are therefore irretrievable" and "gems were broken to pieces because [grinded], could technically be revived but the low hardness one are therefore irretrievable" so why even make up the lie in the first place, both in-universe and on a narrative standpoint? The lie would serve no function, especially considering all this jewelty was never even shown or its existence hinted at aside from the earth gems' assumptions.
Clarification: the earlobe thing as a sign of materialism used to be a thing in early Buddhistic writings (some saintly figures were said to have those as a remainer of their previous life of riches), but when the Buddha himself started being represented in statues in the Greco-Bactrian kingdom of Gandhara the artists represented him as the wealthy prince he was -hence the earlobes. Eventually iconography forgot what the elongated earlobes were supposed to stand for so you have tons of sculptures of bodhisattvas with those earlobes because it became ingrained in the imagery.
Anyway, the Lunarians are not wealthy princes and the earlobes along with the neck rings seem to hint at a general idea of materialism and attachment to riches. Aechmea, who is supposed to be the actual prince, instead hides his long earlobes when he's in one of his "professional/attractive" forms.
The way I see it the earlobes work just like the bunny ears, they're part of the basic Tsukijin form and are purely symbolic.
Ian Collins
I think you cracked it. The translation "lunarian" messes things up a bit, but it should be
>Sensei. Do you know that moon PERSON
>no
To the gems "moon person" just means anything from the moon, just like "he" just is a 3rd person pronoun for anything sentient regardless of sex. But this isn't the case for Sensei.
Luke Brown
Wait, this makes me wonder if there are any other times where specific words are used to avoid answering questions.
Thomas Cooper
anyone have the raw for this page?
Isaiah Allen
The thing about not trusting the lunarians because spreading gemdust on the moons is an almost impossible task with many impracticalities doesn't seem that strong an argument to me. It seems more like a declaration of how far the lunarians intended to go, even if it took them a billion years or more to get there, and they would hope that something else they could do to get Sensei to pray would work before getting to that point. Sensei effectively lies by omission and I suspect Aechmea does something similar rather than lying directly to Phos' face.
Bentley Russell
The theory "the gems weren't turned to dust but kept as jewelry" and the theory "the lunarians are feeding gemdust to slugs as an experiment for fusing flesh/bone" seems quite incompatible. Unless the lunarians are splitting 50/50 the material, feeding half the kidnapped gems to slugs, keeping the other half for ornaments. The slugs mentionned they were fed dust on the moon that makes them mad but they didn't say how much, it could have been a small amount like a spoonful for all we know, and maybe the regular dust they eat on the moon for their shell is entirely unrelated.
Jackson Cooper
This is the original. It's worth noting that Habanero translates it as "do you know him?" so in fact he might just be lying
Nathaniel Perry
Again, it should be noted that him is extremely vague, so Sensei could be using that vagueness to be able to answer no. If Phos had asked if he knew that creature or thing, perhaps he might have gotten an answer out of him.
Robert Cook
That's the page afterwards. I remember in the anime he said "tsukijin", which adds up with it not being a lie, since Shiro isn't a person.
Landon Jackson
>Is that all?
>[doesn't in fact reply to the question regarding any other words that might've been said]
Fucker.
Aiden Jenkins
I am indeed a faggot
Brody Bell
Cute doublefaced phosu
Angel Bell
He doesn't say tsukijin in the anime either, only 'soitsu no koto'
Alexander Allen
I think we can firmly establish that Sensei never directly "lies" to the gems, but rather if faced with a possibly problematic question will attempt to use any imperfection in the line of questioning in order to give a non-answer.
Gavin Brooks
Ah, I'm an idiot then. Sorry.
Elijah Harris
Doesn't "soitsu" mean "that person"? If so the same argument does work.
Lincoln Thomas
Bad pic but here.
Andrew Reyes
>sensei
>kore wa nani desu ka
>shiran
>aahh aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
Jordan Parker
>kore
>this (object)
the professor was a person, not an object, so again, the question can be dodged.
Gabriel Hall
>I think we can firmly establish that Sensei never directly "lies" to the gems, but rather if faced with a possibly problematic question will attempt to use any imperfection in the line of questioning in order to give a non-answer.
Well thank you for joining us on the conclusion we reached more than two years ago then
Parker Long
>The lie would serve no function,
I disagree. The lie has a clear purpose. Gems can be recovered from jewelry easily. Phos was scrapped from the shell of a slug and put back together over one night. She was quite damaged, yet her return was prompt. If Aechmea had said the gems were turned into jewelry, Phos would expect them to be returned immediately. The lie has a significant purpose, it means the gems can't be returned quickly. Aechmea came with the lie (in theory) immediately when Phos arrived on the moon. We can come with an explanation for that behavior: Aechmea wanted to isolate Phos. He wanted to control what she knows, tell her lies, make use of her. Therefore he didn't want Phos to talk with other people, other gems. If there are captured gems on the moon and if Aechmea wants to manipulate Phos, then he wants to lie. His natural answer would be "there is no one here, they are permanently dead". Imagine if he said "yes everybody is here, turned to jewelry, but give me five minutes and you can talk to them". What next? The Lunarians put someone together and the gem turns to Phos and says "everything Aechmea says is a lie don't trust him". That doesn't exactly work in favor of the king of bunnies.
Cooper Diaz
You are a faggot.
Jaxon Parker
>Wait, this makes me wonder if there are any other times where specific words are used to avoid answering questions.
This page comes to mind, the bottom left corner. I am willing to bet that Sensei says "what WOULD you do IF we recover Lapis".
Charles Cox
>All these people itt who think they know nip
Samuel Perez
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I really don't see anything in the narrative thematically suggesting that what's been lost could've been easily regained if it weren't for evil people though. Everything has gone to prove time and time again that what's lost has gone forever and cannot be retrieved no matter how much it hurts to accept that reality, regardless of the circumstances that led to bad stuff happening -hell, the "bad guys" might not even be that bad per se, only subject to the same doomed to fail effort to regain what's been lost.
"the gems are uhhhh hidden away and turned into uhhhh something we've literally never seen and could be easily brought back anytime" doesn't really strike me as thematically coherent with anything we've seen so far, even leaving aside the sukhavati/joudo interpretation.
Jaxson Scott
I think it's thematically coherent with the fact the lunarians are goddamn sinners and liars. They clearly represent temptation, why would tempters speak the truth?
Jaxson Sullivan
post gemgore
Juan Lewis
Now I miss Yucky Tuna threads.
The only reason why I still buy into the autistic lore analyzing going on in these threads is that with YuYuYu people researched Shinto lore deep enough that they correctly guessed what s2 would be about
Luis Rodriguez
William Cooper
Leo Ramirez
This is wrong though. If this were the case then Sensei would answer "yes" (if he weren't lying, that is).
en.wikipedia.org
If Sensei interprets the "tsukijin" Phos referred to as an actual moon "person" then he'd answer "yes" to literally anything Phos asks about it.
Tyler Smith
Evan Williams
>teeth
Why? I can at least understand people thinking they'd have tongues but for what reason would they have teeth?
Cameron Scott
My little sis is into Houseki thanks to me showing her the anime, heck we each got our own Pseudomorph of Love book.
Jaxson Taylor
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT LEAKS