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David Copperfield says hi.

Not a fan of kakegurui but these two episodes were great

Thank God the male character is back, he's a breath of fresh air in this lesbofest.

You kind of have to have a brain wired to be contarian to enjoy this.

I surprised you fags lasted this long. Also, there will definitely be an influx of discussion when Netflix will release of its cage, only people without taste will watch Kakegurui and have Netflix subscription, but it's debatable if it's less sad than be at mercy of fansubbers to watch some actual trash.

> bland, uninteresting character with zero personality, is a breath of fresh air.

Read it as "the male character is black".

like deus ex yumeko is any better

>literally a space of air
>not air

How is she so cool!?

This, the best game this season was one where yumeko gets poisoned.

At least she is pretty and entertaining to watch.

i'll give you the eye candy but her shtick was old by s1.

>instantly stops the fall without any visible cushion
What is the ground made of?

Farts are air too but it's not pleasant to sniff on them.

Deus ex, didn't you watch the show?

Says you.

Mary is the only interesting character in all this.

As expected of people who'd stick around for S2 of Kakegurui, sniffing farts is a fitting allegory.

lol no

that penguin umaru makes my peepee hard

You're comparing a good lad with a fart, you have no argument.

>The Woman who beat the X
What's the X??

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Nauti is literally saving fansubbing right now.

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maybe they'll do the lupin movie and zoku here is hoping at least

It's bears, not beat.

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I thought they would drag the gay tower for at least 3 episodes. What are they even going to do now

No I didn't.

Anime original ending. If they just didn't do the tower we could've seen the war game get animated, and I'm kinda mad we don't get to see it.

These kind of things take time and the war game ended like last month. Even if they wanted I don't think they could have made it.

I'm blind.

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This episode one again proves that yuri is the purest form of love.

Such a bullshit ending to the tower. She literally lost nothing since the president just "gave back" their relationship anyway.
In fact, she even gained from losing since she got even closer to Kirari.
At the very least we could have gotten a kiss from them.

The manga had a kiss.

>President's bitch challenges Yumeko to gamble
>Has to do with tower
>Their life is on the line
Maybe I am just retarded but we been here before. Wasn't there a similar gamble in season 1?

No, this is what should've been in season 1 but never was.

That just angers me even more. Why hold back like that?
I know it's not going to happen. But here's hoping for a Yumeko x Mary ending.

The tower solution was obvious the instant the numbers rotated.

Gonna be real. I'm just here for the op. Puts me in a good enough mood to put up with the other 20 minutes I spend watching the show.

best girl

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Really? I think it's kind of bland.
ED is amazing though.

Is this yuri?

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I want Rumia to talk dirty to me.

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Her voice makes me hard.

I really like how melodic the beginning is. Also the whole thing is just pretty to look at.

Building such a tower for a single gamble feels like overkill and a crazy waste of money.

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I liked the arc. No one mentioned it so I assume most people speed-watched the episode, but the highlight was how Sayaka instinctively could tell Kirari apart from her twin. That was the whole reason Kirari decided to take her in as her personal secretary.

forgot my pic

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i loved this scene

Nothing is overkill if you're crazy enough for it.

Can you post the panel?

well the gamble itself was a proof of Sayaka's determination and love for Kaaiichoouu, she's the one who was willing to bet everything against Yumeko, and she'd be literally dead if she hadn't chosen the right door to jump from, so no need on Kaaiichoouu's part to make Sayaka suffer any more, given she also finds her o m o s h i r o i

it's not like it's single use, she may use it again in the future

>gambles that have no real stakes
Why do people like this shit? Is it because of the hot girls?

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>everyone lives at the end of akagi
Nice stakes you've got there.

The TL is helping that loser Edo do Zoku as TLC.

The stakes are pretty high in Kakegurui

>Losing your entire fortune
>Having your fingers cut off
>Becoming someones pet
>Having someone decide the rest of your life
>Getting shot through the head
>Jumping to your death
Yeah. Such low stakes.

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it's more proof ririka is merely pretending

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There it goes the best arc of Kakegurui.

I will gladly take the yuri ship this time.

bump

What is her true personality though? Is it the flustered one she shows to Mari or the self-assured one she displays when impersonating Kirari?

Obviously it is the first one.

>nothing actually ever happens because of dumb plot devices
Kaiji is much better in its gambles, and Akagi is not really about the gambles, but about how he always has the upper hand, and it's actually well written

>nothing ever happens
>save for Ikishima losing an eye to show her resolve
>and Yumemite breaking one of her own fingers to win a gamble
>also Manyuda being Sumeragi's toy after losing all his money
>and Sumeragi losing her fingernails
>not to mention a number of secondary characters being pets to schoolmates, as shown more clearly in the first season
and even though Sayaka didn't know it wasn't a trap, she did jump from the 5th floor of a tower believing her most beloved Kaichou wouldn't acknowledge her

Oh no literallywho character #56 had a bad day!

Careful you don't sprain your back carrying those goalposts, champ.

>people say nothing happens so I'll make something happen
>Aha! this random person will have a bad time
>I saved the show I'm a genius

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>characters who were constantly featured in S1 as they were part of the student council
>characters who were important enough to return in S2 and appear in different episodes
>characters that were heavily featured in their Yumeko gambling arcs
if you think those aren't significant characters you simply haven't been paying any attention at all

>it's a yuri episode
I'm fine with this. The stupid part was the secretary slut surviving the fall, no way a fucking mattress is gonna change that, and no way she landed right either like the führer said

Is wound licking sexy?
Is it even possible to get such a wound without risking brain damage?

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breaking the skin isn't impossible, as far as I'm aware it was when boxers switched to gloves that everybody stopped getting bleeding cuts and started getting concussions, and compare with footballer brains being scrambled inside the padded shells.

forgot to add that yes and that I want a wound on my peenor and in my bunghole

>Is it even possible to get such a wound without risking brain damage?
Human skin if really frail. It gets scratched over nothing.

anime onlys are retarded. I don't care if the doesn't get praise, it's great. Yea Forums is reddit tier

She can't shut up about her stupid tower.

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It's a great tower! It deserves all the praise!

it doesnt serve any purpose other than being an oversized gambling thing.
it must have been a headache to construct and an enormous waste of money to be used just once.

It was a gamble as to whether it would get used!

So I assume the next game, which seems to be a 2-parter, is an anime-original game of sorts? Not sure why Midari and Yuriko are there though, unless it's for student council stuff, since I don't think either of them are top 10 in votes.

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Seemed pretty out of character for yumiko to be ok with that instead of demanding her victim's life stay ruined for the integrity of the gamble.

It wasn't out of character because Yumeko realized the true gambling of the game was picking the right door at the end, not their little race to the flower.

But that's dumb. They bet some stakes on who would beat the other in a game and yumeko won the game. It's contrary to her character to just be "lol you lose but i'm totally cool with the president unilaterally deciding your punishment should be possibly dying in a different unannounced game instead of losing what we agreed on."

Gambling is about luck. The stupid race didn't have enough on luck factor. Yumeko won because she was smarter. But picking the right door at the end, that was real gambling. It was pure luck, the kind of game Yumeko loves the most.

If anything, Yumeko wishes it was her who got to pick doors at the end. Sayaka took all the fun.

>a sayaka that doesn't get cucked
Dropped

>But picking the right door at the end, that was real gambling. It was pure luck
I haven't watched the episode yet but she explicitly lived because she subconsciously solved the question that made her drop down the correct amount of floors. The game was about acting in a way that seemed fitting to the gamemaker, not luck.

Also there was luck involved in the initial game because it wasn't perfect information and they had to guess at the rules.

And that still doesn't change that yumeko has been super pissed about people trying to weasel their way out of what was agreed to in the past. The whole point of gambling (and she accepted the tower game as a legitimate gamble) is that both participants are risking losing something real and absolute.

>save for Ikishima losing an eye to show her resolve

Never lost to an on-screen gamble.

>and Sumeragi losing her fingernails

Also not a consequence to losing a gamble.

It would have been much better if characters ocasionally lost and suffered actual physical losses or trauma that permanently changed them and then had to live the rest of the season with it. As it is, each gamble is just "what asspull will Yumeko or whoever use this time?"

Yumeko loves to risk things, make her orgasm at being raped by a winner or cutting off a finger or cleaning a disgusting toilet or whatever actual consequence for losing a game.

>I haven't watched the episode yet but she explicitly lived because she subconsciously solved the question that made her drop down the correct amount of floors. The game was about acting in a way that seemed fitting to the gamemaker, not luck.
Even even if you rationalize her choice as "subconsciously solving the problem," she was still just guessing. It wasn't like the problems she was solving to open the doors during the race. Those were actual math problems with specific answer. On the other hand, this last door was about guessing how a person thinks. A totally different kind of problem that doesn't have a clear answer. Sayaka won because she guessed right. But it was still a guess. It was luck.

>that both participants are risking losing something real and absolute
And the risk was real. Sayaka's odds of picking the right door were pretty low.

The entire game was about guessing how the person who built the tower thinks. It's asinine to claim that it's somehow more luck based this time when it happens after you've just finished playing a whole game demonstrating how the gamemaker thinks. And the manga specifically says it was her subconsciously solving the problem, not "rationalization".

>And the risk was real.
The risk was arbitrarily chosen and not agreed to beforehand. You're pulling the idea that yumeko just needs the chance of something bad happening to the loser out of your ass. You think if yumemi tried to welch by offering to roll a dice and if it comes up 1 shoot herself that yumeko would be fine with that?

They should have at least made yumeko and the president obliquely agree to an alternative or had sayaka beg her for a double or nothing and win that, if the status quo needs to be maintained.

The fact the door says 5 and the tower has 5 floors doesn't mean that's the right door that won't send you to your dead. If that's all the information you have, concluding that's the "right door" is just an assumption. There's no guarantees. It's a matter of luck.

this is more of a reason why this should have been the end of season one. Just to foresee the coming of Ririka. Shit adaptation, why change be order?

Yumeko literally couln't care less as long as she gets her entertainment, and all she needs to enjoy herself is a good game of chance with both parties taking somewhat equal risks. That's all she cares about. Stuff like rules and whatnot doesn't mean shit to her.

>It's a matter of luck.
Even if we accept your definition of 'luck' the exact same thing happens during the game. There's no guarantee of any of the mechanics of the tower work the way they do. You just have to guess and go with it.

a) That isn't even consistent with liking the punishment game because only one of them was taking a risk. The actually gambling occurred in the previous game except now her opponent's fate worse than death is replaced by a chance of death. She got jewed out of some of the loser's suffering, which is important to her.

b) There is no reason to think that. You're stating necessary conditions, not sufficient ones. She approved of yumemi because yumemi was going through with what was agreed to. There's no evidence she'd be as happy with yumemi offering to roll the die and potentially shoot herself.

I guess if they weren't sure there was going to be a season 2 then what they did was a much better series finale with the 'main character' coming around to gambling and winning what he wanted himself.

>Even if we accept your definition of 'luck' the exact same thing happens during the game. There's no guarantee of any of the mechanics of the tower work the way they do. You just have to guess and go with it.
Sayaka made her way down the tower and back merely solving the math problems. She didn't have to guess once. Sure she lost, but she did complete the race all the same. On the other hand, picking the right last door was a problem that literally couldn't be solved unless you made an assumption, a guess. It's was pure luck that saved Sayaka's bacon.

By the way, I didn't say there was absolutely no luck involved in the race. But there was no comparison to the last door. That was the true gamble.

She made her way down the tower and back by guessing how the tower worked and then solving math problems. She doesn't start with the knowledge that the answers on the ladders determine which she can take or that there aren't additional paths using the side/center doors.

Yumeko made it down the tower and back faster by making a better guess at how the tower worked.

I don't know why you're trying to pretend the game was some kind of perfect information deterministic thing only based on math ability when it wasn't. The only actual difference was that the player in the punishment game wasn't sure it was a game.

Anyways the idea that yumeko enjoyed her previous opponent having a unilateral gamble for something less bad than the real punishment then having the real punishment ignored is a retarded rationalization.

>She made her way down the tower and back by guessing how the tower worked and then solving math problems.
Other than solving the math problems, she made some logical conclusions. Heck, at one point she even wasted a whole turn just to open a door and see what was behind to confirm her hypothesis. It was all logical thinking, not guessing.

>I don't know why you're trying to pretend the game was some kind of perfect information deterministic
I literally said that wasn't what I said, user.

>Anyways the idea that yumeko enjoyed her previous opponent having a unilateral gamble for something less bad than the real punishment then having the real punishment ignored is a retarded rationalization.
Did Yumeko care the guillotine was fake when she gambled with Erimi? The way it was, it meant the loser wasn't gonna receive any punishment, yet Yumeko didn't mind at all. As long as both parties tasted the rush of fear, the conclusion or lack of punishment didn't matter at all to her.

From another perspective, the President was the one gambling on whether Sayaka would be as suicidally loyal and unfailingly rational as the Pres thought. I think Yumeko would appreciate that kind of meta-bet.

I have to admit I found Sayaka's suffering really funny.

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In the punishment game it was just logical thinking that the most fitting answer was the number of floors in the tower. It was the only answer expanding on the themes of the game and it was logical to think answering correctly was her only chance of not dying. No luck involved, just pure logic.

In reality logical thinking doesn't cause you to be wrong. She was wrong because she had to guess at initial assumptions. She guessed that giving an answer greater than the number of floors didn't just drop you off at the ground floor and that was right. She guessed there wasn't some other better way to get to the top floor and was wrong.

>As long as both parties tasted the rush of fear, the conclusion or lack of punishment didn't matter at all to her.
That's reasonable. She hasn't been cool with this weaseling before though. Yumemi already felt despair and didn't know her assistant was going to try to stop her from being exposed but that wasn't enough. I guess sayaka proved she had fallen into despair with a grand gesture while yumemi hadn't yet. Still a little arbitrary.

Frankly the guillotine game is another example of when yumeko's motivation isn't really consistent. The loli was trying to make a rigged game where only one side felt danger, she just failed. Also chicken isn't even a real game of luck.

>I think Yumeko would appreciate that kind of meta-bet.
Sounds reasonable. Still think the author should have subtlely indicated they were agreeing to a side bet instead of having pres spring it on her and yumeko just decide that was good enough.

>I have to admit I found Sayaka's suffering really funny.
same, it was funny when she was cumming with love with a flower in her mouth all delusional

>no kiss

Dropped

>just now watching episode 8
>they made ibara lie about whether he was going to pay taxes
what is this bullshit?

I fucking knew it, I sensed it even, that the scene deliberately left out a yuri kiss that was in the manga and I never even read the manga, why the fuck do they do this, everytime, with every yuri show, frustrating

Her voice is like liquid heaven

>In the punishment game it was just logical thinking that the most fitting answer was the number of floors in the tower. It was the only answer expanding on the themes of the game and it was logical to think answering correctly was her only chance of not dying. No luck involved, just pure logic.
That's not how logic works. There's no logical correlation between the door having a 5 on it and not dying. Getting to that conclusion requires a leap of faith, an assumption. Sayaka made that guess subconsciously, but it was still a guess.

>She hasn't been cool with this weaseling before though. Yumemi already felt despair and didn't know her assistant was going to try to stop her from being exposed but that wasn't enough. I guess sayaka proved she had fallen into despair with a grand gesture while yumemi hadn't yet. Still a little arbitrary.
Yumeko's entire mindset is arbitrary but it's not inconsistent, which is what you originally claimed. There's plenty of proof. For example after her game with Manyuda she gave Manyda's life plan to Itsuki, fully knowing Itsuki was in love with him and so he was gonna get off scot free. But Yumeko didn't care. Manyuda got to share the rush with her during the game all the same and that was all that mattered to her. The lack of punishment was irrelevant.

>That's not how logic works. There's no logical correlation between the door having a 5 on it and not dying. Getting to that conclusion requires a leap of faith, an assumption. Sayaka made that guess subconsciously, but it was still a guess.
That was the point. It's also not how logic works that guessing the mechanics of the tower during the game was 'just making logical conclusions'. That doesn't mean anything. You happen to feel that the initial assumptions were more reasonable than the last one but that doesn't make them officially logical while the last officially wasn't.

>Yumeko's entire mindset is arbitrary but it's not inconsistent
An assumption of regularity instead of arbitrariness is the only way talking about a character's inconsistent motivation even makes sense. Otherwise no character is ever inconsistent because you can just declare they were consistently motivated to do whatever random shit they happened to do.

>An assumption of regularity instead of arbitrariness is the only way talking about a character's inconsistent motivation even makes sense. Otherwise no character is ever inconsistent because you can just declare they were consistently motivated to do whatever random shit they happened to do.
Yumeko's actions are based on principles she decided on her own. That's why it's arbitrary. But it's not inconsistent because her actions are always in line with those principles.

In any case, I think I already showed you plenty of evidence Yumeko has always being all about the feeling she gets during a game but never really cared about consequences or punishments.

>still watching shitgurui

Why do you torture yourself with inferior gambling anime?

>Yumeko's actions are based on principles she decided on her own. That's why it's arbitrary.
My point is if you make enough sufficiently specific principles you can justify any series of actions. By calling her actions 'arbitrary' I'm saying the principles needed to justify them seem overly specific.

>Yumeko has always being all about the feeling she gets during a game but never really cared about consequences or punishments.
She explicitly does care about her opponent's feelings too, and wants them to suffer if they lose. What seems plausible is that her desire for suffering is more temporary than the actual things she makes her opponents bet for. But she still does shit like make yumemi risk ruining her career or mentally destroying masuda in a way he might not come back from sometimes, while just letting her opponent off the hook in the tower. Maybe she has an advance copy of the manga and knows how much harm all her demands end up causing.

A fetish for sexual wagering, mostly. Also the emotional rollercoasters can be fun.

>She explicitly does care about her opponent's feelings too
Yes
>and wants them to suffer if they lose
No. I already proved that's not it with plenty of examples. The feeling during the game is everything to her. What happens after the game is completely irrelevant. If the risk turns up to be fake (like the fake guillotine) it doesn't matter at all.

*turns out

>What happens after the game is completely irrelevant
Yumeko was going to be super pissed if yumemi agreed with her assistant and tried to welch. Yumeko also got pissed at eyepatch because eyepatch made a game where she was going to be happy to lose. She also got pissed at yumemi later when she started wanting to lose.

You argued that she isn't doing anything causing long term suffering but she still clearly wants her opponents to have a taste of despair.

>She got pissed at yumemi later when she started wanting to lose.
>also got pissed at eyepatch because eyepatch made a game where she was going to be happy to lose.
If you try to lose on purpose or give up, there is no challenge, no game. But this is a totally different issue.

>You argued that she isn't doing anything causing long term suffering but she still clearly wants her opponents to have a taste of despair.
During the game, yes. But she doesn't give a fuck what happens after the game. If the risk turns out to be fake, that's okay as long as all the parties involved believed it was real during the game.

>But she doesn't give a fuck what happens after the game. If the risk turns out to be fake, that's okay as long as all the parties involved believed it was real during the game
first game against yumemi

That was necessary to get to Manyuda. Yumeko never cared about her game with Yumemi. She said so herself. Her target was whoever sent the letter to her, the mastermind.

>That was necessary to get to Manyuda
if that was true she just needed to force yumemi to uphold the wager, she didn't have to go all rage faced on her, which she was about to

>she had to do it to gamble vs manyuda
no she didn't. she ended up using her forced match on him.

She wasn't originally planing on using her house pet privileges on him. She had Yumemi to reveal her secret in order to set Manyuda as the villain, and manipulate the audience to goad Manyudo into accepting a match with her with Yumemi's honor on the line. That was her original intention but Manyuda refused.

That doesn't address the first point.

When Yumeko beat Mary at the beginning of the manga, she was like "now it's time to pay up, bitch" but when Mary said she didn't have the money, Yumeko pulled a 180º and said it was okay and left.

So, I still don't think she cares about punishments or consequences. Had Yumemi said she couldn't go through with it, I think Yumeko would have let it go, like she did with Mary, Erimi, Manyuda and pretty much everyone else she gambled with.

I disagree.

>manyuda
he paid what he bet
>erimi
she payed what she bet
>mary
she does say she's satisfied with seeing mary freaking out over the debt. so she got her hit of causing despair

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>>manyuda
>he paid what he bet
He didn't pay shit.

>erimi
>she payed what she bet
She didn't pay shit.

>mary
>she does say she's satisfied with seeing mary freaking out over the debt. so she got her hit of causing despair
She doesn't say that.

>I disagree.
Be my guest.

also i reread the page. she doesn't explicitly forgive the debt in the manga. just says she's satisfied for today after mary begs for some time

Read it in Japanese. The translation is shit.

>manyuda didn't pay all the money and life he bet
>erimi didn't pay the vote she bet
well if you're going to pretend to be more retarded i guess we're done

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I didn't create this thread for this autism

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Itsuki ripped off Manyuda's life plan so he didn't have to pay with his life. The punishment of the guillotine game was to get a finger chopped off which didn't happen to anyone.

>so he didn't have to pay with his life
that isn't even true and doesn't change the fact that he paid it.

>The punishment of the guillotine game was to get a finger chopped off which didn't happen to anyone
that wasn't what was bet you tard

Where do you think you are?

>that isn't even true
It is true.
>that wasn't what was bet
It was the punishment.

Notice what they ended up paying was the least risky part of their bets. Money and a chip. Basically meaningless and proves what you said about Yumeko wanting to see people suffer wrong. If that were true, she would have kept Manyuda's life plan to make sure he did pay with his life, and would have forced Erimi to cut her finger.

Pres sees her as a tool, not a love interest. Yumeko is her true love.

Rei next week

Based.

Cool as she is, I still prefer Vice prez BTFOing rin in the War game.

>Pretending she just wanted to see the moon
Look at this cute lil psycho though

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I don't understand why would she die if she opened the other doors though? There was a matress only under the door she opened?

Anime original end will be the fake male dude being after Yumeko because he loves Yumeko's sister.

I still wonder what's the relationship between the twins are.

>There was a matress only under the door she opened?
Bingo.

>Manyuda
>He didn't pay shit.
But he did.
Yumeko got the money and gave his lifebook to Itsuki because she had no need for it.
Yumeko said that the face she got to see today was enough for her. She lets it slide in Mary's case.

>Yumeko got the money and gave his lifebook to Itsuki because she had no need for it.
Yumeko got around 3 billion yen, but his live was valued around 100 billion yen if I remember correctly. As the winner, Yumeko had the right to all that money, yet she gave it up. The 3 billion yet she kept is nothing compared to that.

What does it smell like?

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like flowers

No, his lifebook was valued in hundreds of billions.
In the end he had to pay 3 billion in debt plus his lifebook and he did just that.
Yumeko got the money and gave away his lifebook to Itsuki.

Poop and partially dried menstruation remains.

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>In the end he had to pay 3 billion in debt
Yes
>plus his lifebook and he did just that.
No. Yumeko gave his life plan to Itsuki knowing she's in love with him and would just give it back to him, which she did. In the end, he didn't have to pay up with his life at all.

So basically he got off scot free.

Not that I disagree, but...
He was mindbroken, lost his money, lost his council seat, lost respect and lost his lifebook.
Yeah, he could'e lost more if Yumeko had other plans for his lifebook but he still lost more than others ever did.

>He was mindbroken
That's his problem. Yumeko didn't really care about that anyway. She had her fun during the game. If she really cared, she would have kept his life plan and made him pay up in full. That would have really fucked him up for real.

Wrong. They kiss in the manga in this scene. But the anime chickened out and just had her lick the head wound instead.
Fucking faggots.