This should happen to all christmas cakes

This started out based but then he threw too many hints of desperation in there.

Cakes that resort to alcohol are the most dangerous ones.

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they use it as an excuse to act like whores

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The most delicious ones, user. The most delicious ones.

>made this guy an edgy stalker murderer just to push her to the MC
Imagine still reading this

Are you that mad some girls out there would rather be celibate than with you?

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He started off making sense and being cool but the more he spoke on and on the more desperate and unappealing he ended up sounding. The first two speech bubbles made sense and were enough to make her stop and think, the rest of the shit he says would just make any woman with a hint of pride or sense (inb4 >implying women have pride or sense) realize that he'd spent way too much time thinking about this and wasn't anywhere near as much in control as he wanted to be. It sounds more like the author is venting than anything.

well, I can definitely agree with the sentiment that they shouldn't accept obvious courting gestures when they have no interest.

sauce?

>like being an otaku or a NEET.
Hardly. The reason he's blowing her the fuck out like that is because he cares about her.
No one would bother to tear an oktaku or NEET a new one like that.

Nope, just pity. No one really cares if a man dies alone. Just die quietly. A women on the road to dying alone will always be a tragedy. You just know it's killing her inside to not be all like the other women surrounded by family instead of cats. Only she and God know how she can even be in this predicament.

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She obviously does have interest, which the first two bubbles were enough to confirm. Everything after that just makes the guy seem obsessed and whiny, and so unconfident in himself that he makes his angle entirely about why she should settle for him instead of doing or saying anything to make her admit to actually wanting him.

>No one really cares if a man dies alone. Just die quietly.
Ever heard of incels

>Political arguments haven't evolved beyond people shrilly insisting that the other side can't get laid
This and the fact anyone considers it and stuff like the 'incel' culture and mocking makes me sadder than anything in the thread

People only care about that because of the ones who didn't die quietly. Otherwise they're a joke.

On the other hand, people see something dreadfully wrong with a woman still alone past a certain age. That's why the christmas cake and general crazy single old lady stuff exists in the first place.

This dude is absolutely spot-on. You shouldn't accept gifts from guys you know are trying to court you. It's in poor form.

>all those posts of people who think he started off making sense and being cool
No? I don't know what she told him before but breaking the game by spelling it out is just something you don't do. It's like shitting on the chessboard while whining "WHO CAAARES IT'S JUST A GAAAAME"..
Moreover a woman can be interested at first and then realize later the guy is crazy, dangerous, or just not to her taste and refrain from any further involvment from that point onwards. Imagine what a world it would be if wedding and children were implicitly agreed on by the first "courting gesture".

are you implying anyone cares if they die alone?

>On the other hand, people see something dreadfully wrong with a woman still alone past a certain age
Maybe if you live in a third world conservative shithole.

>Moreover a woman can be interested at first and then realize later the guy is crazy, dangerous, or just not to her taste and refrain from any further involvment from that point onwards.
Would be irrelevant for this situation, seeing how she accepted another invitation from his side.
Not sure what happened before but his rant seems to imply that she brushed off his attempts to get any further than just constantly taking her out to dinner.

Should she return the gifts and refund him for the money spent on her if she doesn't date him for whatever reason?

You're just a cuck, that's all.

>breaking the game by spelling it out is just something you don't do
It's certainly a good feeling when you know the game is over anyway.
It's a bad idea when you plan to continue playing though, I can agree with that.

Odds are, the "enlightened" cuckville you live in will be one soon enough.

If he phrased it in a playful manner instead of an aggressive one it probably would've worked.

And I'm assuming that this isn't their first date or anything like that given how he's talking about meeting her mother and so on, but you're right in that by that point he's completely shit the bed and any woman would be angry and turned off.

>Gaslighting and emotional blackmail

This man does not deserve a cake, and nor do you.

any women who keeps habitually stringing guys along (not sure if that's the case but his part seems to imply that) does not deserve a man better than him, either.

If she wants to. But essentially courting gifts are like administration fees. You pay them for a chance at your favourite uni, but there's no guarantee you'll be admitted.
That ambiguity is annoying though, that's why I try to split the bill everytime, personally.

>If he phrased it in a playful manner instead of an aggressive one it probably would've worked.
Yes indeed, in that case it's fine.

We should create a social rule in which we can get our cash back if it doesn't work out.
It's just fair. None of this "might" shit.

Oh yeah sure in that case fire away, but here the guy is obviously interested, and just sounds like a desperate psycho trying to emotionally corner his victim and coerce her into marriage. Any sane and smart woman would have alarm bells ring in her head and dump him at this point.

Social rule?
What happens if you disobey the rule?

>white-knighting
psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men

>If that guy is so great
He is batshit crazy

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Be socially shamed as a thief. Let it be known throughout the lands that you are a person of low moral character who would take a man's money without reserve.

Splitting the bill works just fine imo. I'd prefer it to just pay the bill myself since when I like a girl, I want to treat her, but there's just too many women in their mid-twenties who seem to see dates as nothing else but a good way to get free food from whoever is available.

She returns the gifts anyway

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Alright, I retract my statement. She returned all the gifts and paid her share like a good cunt. This chick is aight.

Doesn't that already happen? Guys talk to other guys about the women they've been with and all that.

Oh wow.
Post the guy's reaction please.

it does but a lot of guys are dumb and only follow their dick. this isn't really something that user can blame on society, it's just too many guys letting women get away with everything as long as they think it might get them a chance to score.

Lo and behold, he's not quite all there

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He already sounds edgy and desperate tho

Most guys won't admit they got taken for a meal ticket. We should encourage more men to speak up about being financially taken advantage of.

>She returns the gifts anyway
All's good then.

She called the fuck out of his bluff.

Even if we suppose that the girl is fickle and a runner, that doesn't make the guy better: As a matter of fact, contextually, he's actively undermining her based on knowing she has misgivings.

I treat my hairdresser better than that.

I never said anything about the cake deserving: That man does not deserve a positive end to that date.

Offering the 50's housewife package is a pretty great strategy for anteing up on a relationship: "You already said yes, your mother is ashamed, you're old and can't do any better in a dead end job and I'm doing you a favor by being interested" isn't nearly as much of a panty dropper.

Goddamn. Fucking brutal and completely deserved, the idiot probably could have had her if he hadn't been such a retard.

Probably a mix of calling his bluff and realizing that the first part of his rant was true and she shouldn't have kept accepting all those favors from him when she didn't have any real interest.

Wew. He's crazy alright.
But then again love is a mental disorder. You can only hope it doesn't make you a psycho or force you to live with one when it happens.

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Well, she made the right call. The dude was clearly a fucking psycho and this just proves it. Disappointing it seems to be turning into a yandere stalker story though.

What he said is a good point Call it stupid if you want, but most guys are pretty prideful, especially with regards to women. They might make some negative comments about her or come up with an excuse like her being boring, but few will flat out admit that they got taken advantage of like an idiot.

Based bluebeard man.

Even with the gifts I am on her side. He was fairly aggressive
She never asked for them and I do think to give gifts you have to just want to make the other happy and conditions tied to them should be made clear

Like others have said, the guy is pretty aggressive with the gifts anyway. It's pretty reasonable to not want to do anything that might trigger a bad reaction. Returning the gifts was pretty gutsy

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>Wew. He's crazy alright.
A little.

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>She never asked for them
Maybe I'm old fashioned when it comes to this but I don't think it's alright to keep accepting gifts from someone of the other sex you have no interest in. People don't keep gifting you stuff out of nowhere all the time or keep inviting you for dinner unless they want something more.

It's just unfair because it sends the wrong signal to the other person. I don't expect anyone to do more than talk just because they tagged along for coffee but if it keeps going on for quite a while (she had a bunch of bags with gifts) and then she suddenly tells me she doesn't care that would be a slap in the face.

Keeping the gifts just puts you in a situation where you're obligated to deal with him further.
A clean cut while painful is still the easiest option in the end given at that point you can get the cops to come in and there won't be any misconceptions about intent since you've sincerely shown that you don't want anything to do with them.

go back

Who's the other guy?

She obviously had a passing interest the guy could have capitalized on had he not acted like a desperate psycho.
Moreover it's obvious here that the guy at some point switched to imposing them on her by sending them through the mail. She doesn't have a say in accepting them anymore.

Again you seem to have not read this story and the signals were pretty fucking clear. He aggressively handed her gifts to make her feel exactly your guilt.
If you only gave the gifts because you had hopes it would get you laid then that is very dangerously close to the "nice guy" shit people hate so much.
If you give a gift you should consider it lost forever and it should only be given for the other person to be happy
What you are talking has to be made clear. And I say this as someone who likes giving gifts and not as someone on the side I am defending.

>Who's the other guy?
The actual MC. The crazy guy starts stalking her and then tries to stab her.

>Fuck you for taking my gifts and not giving me pussy
>Fuck you for returning my gifts when you have no intention to give me pussy
This guy is simply a faggot. He's legit manipulating the girl at this point and trying to fuck with her head.

Oh okay, I didn't recognize her.

>If you only gave the gifts because you had hopes it would get you laid then that is very dangerously close to the "nice guy" shit people hate so much.

Not that user but it's generally implied if you go on a date with someone that you're giving gifts then you are looking to get laid.
I'm not arguing any of your other points. Just the inherent nature of giftgiving while going on dates.

Imagine this guy being the father of your children. The only thing Cake did wrong was not sense he was a desperate psycho earlier.

I bet if she'd given in then people would be calling her an idiot with no standards, too.

At the very least he gets exposed hard.

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You are correct. But its not a business transaction and honestly the gifts should more signal that you want to make the other person happy

>Again you seem to have not read this story
I didn't, I was just talking to that user about the general concept.

You got me wrong though. I didn't mean that gifts should be used as an entry fee to her panties, just that accepting gifts sends a clear signal. Reading body language can be kinda ambiguous because not everyone behaves the same way and you might read it wrong, but repeatedly accepting gifts that come out of nowhere just sends a pretty unambiguous signal imo.
When I give a gift I don't expect to get it back or to get anything in return. What I do expect is that they'd reject me rather than keep going along with it if she has no interest though.

>now to sit back and see the count the comments rushing to defend the cake and figure out which are female posters and fags from tumblr.
I see what you are doing OP have a bump

>the gifts should more signal that you want to make the other person happy

I agree to an extent but that's surface level when every adult does understand that there is an intent behind those gifts and by accepting it you are signalling your reciprocal intent.
Unless of course you're being taken for a ride, in which case I'm pretty sure everyone universally agrees those females are shit human beings.

Cake was actually right in this situation. In a vacuum the dude was right but context and future events vindicates the Cake.

and rejecting the gift when you have no interest should be the appropriate behavior, so he doesn't continue to waste his efforts somewhere where it will never bear fruits.
not like you have to throw the very first gift in his face right away, that would just be rude since it could have also just been a friendly gesture. but if he keeps doing it it's pretty clear what he wants.

I think the issue people are taking with the guy is how the girl did seem potentially into him, but his rant in the OP completely ruined his chances and made her lose all interest. Note that she ONLY returned the shit after he insulted her.

this is the reason many cultures just had a straight up price. IF you accepted the money, you DID get married. you couldn't just steal things from people.

these patreon prostitutes are a great demonstration of this. females are literally just all quasi prostitutes. they'll take ANYTHING they can because their only value is their pussy.

they're like fucking animals. 90% of men are trash too. but don't anyone dare suggest that the 90% of the sluts fathered by or genertically related to those men are just as subhuman!

>just that accepting gifts sends a clear signal
I would say I would say HOW they react is also very important
There is the "this is expensive are you sure you want to give this to me" reaction which means there shouldn't be any strings attached and then there is the girl jumping at him and hugging him which I would argue is closer to what you are saying with leading her on.
>and rejecting the gift when you have no interest should be the appropriate behavior
Or making sure there are no strings attached. Have you never given gifts to someone you didn't want to fuck?

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>What I do expect is that they'd reject me rather than keep going along with it if she has no interest though
Some women are shy and have difficulties being honest or making a clean cut though.
It sucks sure but with such women it's best to be able to identify signs of rejection or ask straight out how she feels about you and whether she wishes to keep this going.

>with leading her on.
**with leading HIM on.

this is a kike trick. they use it all the time to attack solid principles. they frame eternal fucking principles around fictional and unbelievable circumstances that justify criminals, prostitutes, niggers, etc.

I miss Brideprice. Back in the day a brother could get a wife for a few sheep, a couple goats and a tractor and be done with it.

But I agree with the dude for the most part. The only reason the Cake was vindicated is that she returned everything, money and all.

>Some women are shy and have difficulties being honest or making a clean cut though.
And I'm shy too and feel sick on the inside every time I have to force myself to make a move, yet I still do so because else I'd be shit out of luck. I think the least they could do is reject advances they don't want.

>or ask straight out how she feels about you
At least from my experience that's the fastest way to fuck it up. Like that other user said further up, you don't just break the game as long as you continue playing. And it's not like a shy person would have an easier time answering that question rather than just going
>Haha, no, I can't accept that gift

don't forget the british suffragettes in world war one shamed young 15 year old boys into enlisting and getting their heads shot off in the trenches in order to "earn the right" to talk to them

The guy sabotaged himself by making the OP rant and then turned into a stalker who ends up stabbing someone. 'Don't string people along' is a valid message but everything indicates she was interested, just shy. UNTIL he shit the bed, whereupon she returned all his stuff and tried to cut contact.

She'd be more in the wrong if she gave in.

>everything indicates she was interested
not this page

always wondered how an arranged marriage with dowries involved must of felt like back in the days. would of liked giving it a shot.

>Have you never given gifts to someone you didn't want to fuck?
obviously I have, that's why I put the whole second line of the post there, to make it obvious that not every single gift is a courting gesture but that repeated gifts sure are.

>Another thread ruined by feminists vs incels

>White Feathers
That is such a disgusting concept.

no, I agree too. the cake giving the money back only ever happens in fiction, and it happens in fiction because the kikes create unrealistic scenarios to paint good intentioned, honest caucasian and asian men as monsters

niggers, kikes, and spics, and feminists are the ones that, even though they murder people and deal drugs, have a heart of gold

I'm not saying some dudes aren't creepy. I'm saying, every passing year "creepy" comes more and more to mean "not a millionaire chad." modern females are essentially prostitutes

>literally started by incelrant.jpg

she wasn't really interested as evident by some of the other pages, he just kept forcing the gifts onto her.
but people have transitioned towards venting their own personal grievances rather than talking about this specific story a while ago anyway.

Do you ever get bored of this shit

Depends on the gift too. If you gave me a box of chocolate I'd accept it regardless of whether I have an interest in the guy or not. I'd refuse jewelry or anything expensive though.

Ah then our issue here isn't that we disagree. Just that I was specifically talking about the manga panel and you were talking about the real world.

they literally emerged as soon as, and not a moment later, industrialization happened and females had no actual jobs to do

the very minute they didn't have to do laundry or plant crops, they started encouraging young men to get killed in trenches. because EVERY fucking female on the planet thinks her pussy is special. it's an evolutionary defense, but it also makes them animals

wew a bait thread for tumblr posters noice and by the looks of it we have quite a few....now this is sad

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Again I think the fact that she rejected the gift and only took it because he insisted makes all the difference

That's just empires in a nutshell, my dude. Once you empire reaches a certain point and females start taking up men's roles, your empire is showing its signs of collapse.
It happens every 250 years. You can't stop it, the best you can hope for is that it doesn't negatively affect your life as you live it.

You do know we can see this wasn't your first post, right?

People should not buy gifts expecting to get something back. If I buy something for someone, I usually don't expect to get anything back. But if I do want something back, I negotiate all before spending money and treat whole thing as a contract like in business.

the plus is that I will most likely be dead, my children's children are probably fucked tho.

no. because I am literally paying their bills in the form of state aid and you are forcing me to be their slave

yeah. the man is platonically correct. so the kike conspecifics of the agenda in the manga don't matter

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What a fucking shitty era to be born in.
We can't even have our chinese cartoons anymore because even those they keep trying to sabotage.
And worst of all we can't even have a WW3 to reset everything because muh nukes muh deterrence. A slow death by poison and apathy from a festering rotting limb rather than simply chopping it and properly heal.

>but that repeated gifts sure are.
Fuck I need to call my male friends and tell them I don't want to buttfuck them

They were unwitting tools of the British govt to get men to join the military so it was still volunteer at the time. Very shrewd tactic.

BUT, I think this is too simple

in the islamic and chinese empires, people at least got to get married and have children

the american/european empire is build from turning their young males into eunuchs

fuck this place. I literally hope china and russia nuke it and the rest of the 'democratic' sphere into oblivion. fuck these people

they're using the idea of 'human rights' to cut off children's genitals and stop ANYONE from getting married. I'd rather be a chinese factory slave.

*since

It's her step-brother/former lover/former student, getting stabbed here while trying to protect her.

Susaga Kei

I think the ultimate salvation is getting china to nuke and kill everyone in NY, california, london, paris, berlin, etc.

maybe. I think all females are inherently cruel. they don't care if men die and never have. that's the reason they could ve so easily convinced to shame young boys into getting killed

ALL females have a heirarchy of preferences. they'd rather be in a harem to an alpha millionaire than have a single good man to themselves

they NEED to be controlled, or they try to get men killed. just like men NEED to be controlled or they kill each other

It becomes less than appreciable when you think about the fact that you can't change the flow this far in. This isn't a fixable situation and as you rightly stated, you can't amputate the limb either.
It's just a slow death and the hope that the next empire will be greater than this one.

As edgy as this all is, it's literally as simple as an Empire dying a slow death after 250 years. I think deep down we're all hoping for a reset but as long as you're aware a reset would come with you having to die for the country then it should be alright.

I feel like we got one of the worst "empires"

Welp, it was a nice, interesting thread for the first 80 posts of so, time to leave.

>gets stabbed
>still manage to kick the dude
wew primo Kei writing

Not if you were a boomer.
30 of the most prosperous years ever to become rich as fuck, and now with all the free time in the world with peak technology and entertainment to spend your retirement years in decadence and luxury, and dying right before everything truly collapses while you watch the kiddies working 3 jobs to barely survive while you bought 3 houses and graduated as a lawyer and even had extra for snacks with half of one of their jobs.

I mean more culture wise
If you are central European or American you have no culture around you

not some of the most. literally THE most in ALL OF HUMAN history

and then, they decided the gardening bill is too high, and invited in tens of millions of spics/muslims to kill their children and take their jobs

fucking disgusting

it's a mango written for overweight teenage girls to flick their bean to, what do you expect

Based

Well, yeah. Human interaction kinda depends on a case to case basis so you can't just write down clear rules. But every adult should understand when it's a gift among friends and when it's a gift as a sign that you want more.

>People should not buy gifts expecting to get something back.
that might count for each individual gift, you don't expect something in return right away.
but if you keep giving and the other side just keeps taking without ever giving back and the most friendly and patient person will get annoyed by it and wish the other person would have just made it clear that they weren't interested.

I think her reaction was quite clear and if you aggressively insist on the gifts then that is on you

that guy in particular was wrong and it was his own fault for forcing the gifts on her when she tried to reject them.
I was more complaining about in general. dates can already be stressful enough as a guy to begin with, feels like shit when you get led on on top of that.

>feels like shit when you get led on
I agree with you then.
the being led on part really is the entire crux here.
If a girl rejects gifts to make it clear then its fine
If a girl accepts the gifts and only accidentally leads you on then even then I am fine because there is no bad intention behind it
It is literally just the girls who intentionally bleed you which are the problem

Can't fault someone for leading you on unintentionally but that tends to hurt even more than the ones who do it intentionally. In the latter case you can be rightfully angry at them, in the first case it just means they never even really spent a moment thinking about you and why you might be acting the way you are.

Romance sucks, just give me some super power to be able to tell in advance if someone is interested or not.

A miscommunication sort of proves that you weren't meant to be together really. A small apology for misunderstanding and I would be fine.

The first few points make sense, the rest just sounds like desperation. From what i'm reading it seems the guy's crazy too.

>A miscommunication sort of proves that you weren't meant to be together really.
Miscommunications always happen, even among people who are "meant to be together".
That particular miscommunication obviously means you weren't though, but that's more about the thing you misinterpreted rather than the misinterpretation.

>A small apology for misunderstanding and I would be fine.
Same. But that hardly ever happens. It's mostly either the "I'll pretend I didn't get it" or the ghosting outcome.

>It's mostly either the "I'll pretend I didn't get it" or the ghosting outcome.
Then those are the cunt moves. Not the initial misunderstanding and accepting of gifts.

If I didn't have shit luck with women I wouldn't have so much stuff to complain about.

Judging by your posts I think you are going to make it some day.

"Cakes"?????

Thanks, I sure hope so. Preferably before even my thirties are over.

Based chick, I have never met a girl who'd do the same to guys who weren't stalking creeps.

Man, he was right in the OP pic, but when you gift gifts like this and shove them even after she rejects, now HE'S leading her on, this distinction is important.

Yebisu over Orion any day every day.

>now HE'S leading her on
not really, leading someone on means that you give them the feeling that there could be more if only they keep trying even though you have no intention to ever make that happen.
he's just a regular shitbag trying to force himself onto her (which works more often than you'd think, but it never has a happy ending)

if every woman behaved the way you seem to want, they'd just ignore you and spread their legs for whoever offers them the best, most expensive gifts
if you had anything at all to offer that was worth suffering mediocre sex with you in a bartering-for-sex scenario, you'd already be having sex

Not TC, but if women behaved that way it would actually be an improvement to how most of them act now.

not OP and i don't agree with his sentiment, but i always wondered if you people think that this "if you don't already have a partner you'll never find one" helps in any way. all it will do is either make people angry or make them feel like shit and hopeless
i know this is Yea Forums and all but i feel that goes way past just calling someone a nigger or fag

People like that aren't here to help, they just shit on others to make themselves feel better.
They're the people with the normalfag mentality.

True pain is genuinely understanding and sympathizing with your opponent's POV but being unable to get them to see things from your perspective. I'm anti-abortion and this happens so often when I speak to people who are pro-abortion. The real suicidefuel though is when I pretend like I hold the opposite beliefs and find that the people who I usually agree with are also like this - they just see their opponent as an evil retard, with no respect for the human that really is within.

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I don't think you know what gas-lighting means, user.

>mfw girl from college who rejected me is now a struggling cake
>broke, looks have deteriorated, desperate to have kids, keeps hitting me up
>feel too sorry for her to take advantage

anybody who actually preys on these women is sick

nypost.com/2017/08/30/beware-of-foodie-call-dates-who-are-just-in-it-for-a-free-meal/

>anybody who actually preys on these women is sick

Why?

You and a bunch of other retards in this thread are taking this specific instance and supplanting it with your cultural, societal background, forgetting the fact that this is from a manga, and we all know what cultural background that has right? Right?

Are you right in the head?

unironically based , chad on suicide watch

It's just such an easy weapon. Everyone wants to have sex and it will burden them quite a lot if they can't find a partner.
It's completely irrelevant if your accusation that they just can't get laid has anything to do with their argument or not, if they actually can't get laid it will still sting. It's less about providing a real counter argument and more about making the other side withdraw because the conversation is becoming painful for them.
Works with lots of other shit too but for that you actually have to know the other person to tell their weak points, whereas with the virginity insult you can estimate pretty quickly if it might be true or not.

>Everyone wants to have sex
Pls no.

Well, almost everyone then.

Wow, fictional work alright.

Getting a good sex toy does wonders.
It's unfortunate that they're still so frowned upon as they really raise your quality of life.

If you're a person who enjoys solitude, they completely remove the need to interact with others to experience the pleasure of sex.
Meanwhile, if you're the type that wants to be in a relationship, having your urges satisfied by something else will have you be more calm and collected around women.

I highly recommend the Tenga fliphole.

>Takes a knife to the chest to save your first love.
Is there any bigger winner flag in romance?

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if that works for you I'm jealous. for me it doesn't really because it's missing the social component, I stop being horny but I still want all the companionship aspects. I have no problem with solitude and can enjoy it, just not permanently.
it's a mental thing.

>Woman takes gifts and all expenses paid outings at a man's expense
>Says it isn't consent or her showing romantic interests
NO! I don't want my 2d waifus to be corrupted by 3D shit habits.

in this case it was the guy pretty aggressively forcing them on her, and her not having the spine to reject him before that rant

>26
oh no the clocks ticking, I mean what?

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I'm extremely low-maintenance socially. It's not that I don't enjoy relationships and friendships, it's just that I don't have a strong need to form them.
I guess the best way to describe it is that I'm just really satisfied and comfortable with myself and don't need others to feel like that.

It did take years of work to reach this point, though. I spent my fair share of time on /r9k/ (more than half a decade ago) and there have been plenty of times that I've had false "enlightenment" moments, thinking that I was content with life only for everything to fall apart.
Now, however, I'm just really happy and I've been this way for 4-5 years.

The reason I'm posting this isn't to blog, brag or possibly even lie to myself by selling these stories to others, rather because I know a lot of Anons are still in a horrible spot in life and I want them to know that it can get better as long as they work on themselves.

Is this worth reading ? Do they even fuck ?

I’d call this purple pilled

He’s right about everything

But he’s still a cuck for chasing a post wall hag

Yes.

I get where you are coming from, but I don't think that will ever apply to me. my life is pretty good in every aspect apart from anything romantic, but that sours everything else for me.
I know for sure that this stops and I'm able to enjoy stuff again when I have a partner from experience, it just happens very rarely that I meet someone I feel genuinely attracted to and even less often that they reciprocate in any way.

>they just see their opponent as an evil retard
Well how are you not?
I mean, it's fine to decide you yourself will never abort. But where do you get off imposing your values on everyone else?
Even in anime the one imposing their values on others is usually the evil retard, just saying.

The more money a guy spends on a non-prostitute, the lower his odds of actually fucking her are.

not sure if that's really the case, but what's definitely true is that spending more and more money on her doesn't raise your odds to get anywhere. if she likes you then something simple will do just fine, too.

>on one hand, everything is clear and logical
>on the other hand...
>using logic with women
he's a dumb faggot

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This This. I'd add that spending money on gifts is a way for a lot of guys to try and turn the tides when they can tell the girl they're pursuing is slipping between their fingers after a few dates. That is the worst reason you could offer a gift to a girl really. Don't expect it to work.

All I know is what my dad taught me. Never blow money on a chick you haven’t banged yet. Because GUARANTEED there’s a dude out there she gave it to for free.

The idea to think you could argue yourself into her pants is so insane to me
>logically you owe me your pussy

Girls do like getting gifts from guys they like. But they wanna feel like they’ve EARNED the gift. Girls wanna be a guy’s sidekick in life. Or right hand minion. Or NCO to his Officer. You don’t just give your secretary an award for no damn reason. I’ve seen a girl burst into happy tears over a guy gifting her his childhood stuffed animal.

i do wish that was the case but lots of women i met didnt seem to want to earn anything. its not like i would shower women i barely know in gifts anyway but their general attitude seemed to be that their mere physical presence was already a privilege and everything else was exclusively on the guy.
you dont want those anyway, they are no fun to be around. but theres a lot of them.

People let themselves get strong armed into stuff they do not really want all the time. But it is a terrible approach because there is no way that will end in anything but misery.
If you can't catch her attention the normal way, just let it rest.

Are you currently dating your cleaning lady or something?

to sum the thread up, spending on a girl you're not in a relationship with is a stupid idea. no amount of money will be able to buy genuine interest and if she is interested even some cheaper activity to spend time with each other will be fine.
you can splurge on her once you're actually together. if she demands you pay a fee for her attention it's either hopeless to begin with or she's the kind of woman you wouldn't want to touch with a ten feet pole.

People are emotional beings. The truly logical way to behave is to pay attention to your emotions without allowing yourself to be swallowed up by them.