It's finally happening, we flew too close to the sun

Has Abe-sama finally done it?

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Yeah, he sodomized your mother.

Please tell me the Japs are finally getting bored of Isekai shit?

thank god we can be set free

God I hope so. There's way too much QUALITY lately.

prepare for otome

Wishing for less than 10 per season.

good

I have noticed that there are fewer shows airing; currently we're at around 36 full-length (~24 minutes per episode) shows compared to 40+ for typical winter season. In the upcoming season I currently count 30 full-length shows, compared to 48 or so last year during the same season.

will still be more animu than there was 20 years ago
Really, what it means for the industry is all the idolshit wasn't selling anymore so they're finally cutting back on it. Hopefully directors will be less shit if they're not having to split focus between multiple projects every season as well.

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For the past few years we've seen a real drop in animation quality for the "filler" series. Even back in 2015 we still saw a lot of at least competently animated middle of the road series. Now the equivalents are markedly worse.

As a result, I'm not sure a reduction in series numbers is a bad thing.

It's hard to tell if it's a good or bad thing, currently watching like 15 shows out of what, 18 shows, or 27~ish shows I considered watching at all, there's still like 10 more that are just garbage to the point I didn't even bother, if I there ends up being less than 15 decent shows next season I'll be pretty pissed about it

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There is one fujo idol show (King of Prism Shiny Seven Stars), but you do have a point.

Good

In any given season there are only 10 shows worth watching, half of them actually appeal to you with that number is cut in half of actual good shows. Unless it is pre-established series/has a name behind it (director/studio) most people will ignore it.

I got the 30 show number from counting them on anichart.net, but I noticed that it doesn't list any Yu-Gi-Oh / Naruto / Pokemon series either (I'm not sure if that's correct), and only the 1 idol show. So it seems like there's less of the usual clutter. Generally I find that it's 2-4 really great shows that make a season "good" or "bad" just because of how people remember them, so the total number of shows shouldn't make too much of a difference.

The only good ongoing anime we have right now is Jojo and Mob

There are also new Cinderella Girls short and new season of Aikatsu Friends.

2-4 really great shows
5 shows to hover between and enjoy when you have nothing else to do
5 more shows that are just their as options if you feel like it, not really good or bad

So this season for me would be around 7- 6 - 4 decently par for the course

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upvoted

>the industry is finally crashing

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>Steep drop has some hoping less quantity will lead to more quality.
If only this were actually the case. The reality is that anime studios are just getting lazier and lazier and scraping the bottom of the barrel for old LNs and manga. Not a single studio is willing to take risks anymore and shows that actually do like Flip Flappers wind up selling less than half a Fractale.

Welcome to the era of isekai, pointless sequels, and remakes of old shows that nobody fucking asked for.

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even the darlings of the season have shit animation for multiple episodes at a time now
it possible we have entered a period of "animation hangover"

You're right. In general though, comparing spring 2018 to spring 2019, spring 2018 had some long shounen series beginning that year like Beyblade Burst Chouzetsu, Cardfight Vanguard, Youkai Watch, Duel Masters, PazuDora, Boku no Hero Academia 3, etc., as well as two or three Chinese-funded shows. To me it seems like the anime industry is shedding a lot of standard shounen anime series this particular season. However, that same season had stuff like Hinamatsuri, Comic Girls, Hisone to Maso-tan, and so on, so it doesn't seem like it was too bad for all that.

this is the era of some sequels sometimes, which is better at least than the era of one sequel maybe and then nothing ever

>anime studios are just getting lazier and lazier and scraping the bottom of the barrel for old LNs and manga
This reminds me of a few days ago

>see that Spriggan is getting a new anime adaptation
>get kind of excited because the manga's not translated and the movie only adapted 1 arc, and probably abbreviated at that
>go check out info about it
>the summary makes it sound like it's adapting the exact same arc as the movie did

>recap movie
>recap tv series
why japan

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I believe 9 of the 31 new shows are sequels of one kind or another, only "Fruits Basket" counts as a remake, the only isekai is Kenja no Mago, but we do have a rehash of Gundam Origins cut into 13 episodes.

In general I think the more prominent theme this coming season, aside from sequels, is the adaptation of popular manga like Sewayaki Kitsune, Bokuben, Hitoribocchi no xx, Kono Oto Tomare, etc.

This right now is a pretty good season.
I'm following 18 series right now including 3 shorts and the only ones I feel I should have dropped are Index and Kemono Friends.
Other than that there are lots of anime I'm going to really miss when they'll end.

What I'm trying to say is that anime as it is right now it's in a really good spot, it would be a shame if thing were to change.
The people who constantly cry about there being too many anime per season are people who don't actually watch anime, usually liberal Yea Forumsfags.

>it would be a shame if thing were to change
It is changing somewhat though. The isekai fad is just about finished, and the 40% drop is an accurate number. The question is whether the quality of anime will change (apart from slowly get cheaper), but thankfully I don't think we'll see any big moves on that front.

>Saying that as a bad thing

maybe if the anime industry dies we'll finally have content creators make the shit they actually want to make instead of LN Adaptation #4250394e21

With whose money?

There's only one LN adaptation next season, and that's an isekai. There are a lot of manga adaptations though.

>Thinking we'll have an anime renaissance similar to the economic boom of Japan's 80s-90s
>With Japan's current shit economy

lol

>Not a single studio is willing to take risks anymore and shows that actually do like Flip Flappers wind up selling less than half a Fractale.
What about Zombieland Saga count?
What about Starlight?
What about Toji no Miko?

why don't they just get a better economy

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>Retards believing the anime bubble is gonna pop and the next golden era is comming: the thread

>45 new shows on MAL for Spring 2019
>43 shows for Winter 2019
>56 shows for Fall 2018
>56 shows for Summer 2018
>69 shows in Spring 2018
>50 shows in Winter 2018
>57 shows in Fall 2017
>52 shows in Summer 2017

Only the past two seasons have been kind of low. I wouldn't say it's a trend.

And even if it was, it's actually a good thing because it appears that most of the extra shows are shovelware. Winter 2018 was one of the smallest seasons in two years and people still talk about all the great shows that aired that season. By contrast, Spring 2018 was one of the worst seasons in recent memory, despite having the most shows by far in the past two years. The only show that didn't completely flop that season had to rely on ultra rare Granblue codes to move BDs.

Zombieland Saga surprisingly had Cygames producing it, Starlight is part of an existing media franchise, and Toji no Miko is a phone game.

Those numbers are off because they lump shorts in with full-length shows. I just count them off anichart.net.

>What about Zombieland Saga count?
idolshit that was bound to sell because otaku will eat up anything that involves girls prancing around in frilly dresses and screeching into a microphone
>starlight
idolshit but more gay
>toji no miko
gachashit

There was never a "golden era". Every single season of anime had their shitty shows that made people question the longevity of the anime industry since as early as the fucking 80s.

I swear to fucking Jesus Christ we'll have idiots looking back at the 2010s like it was the "New Age" of anime and wished the anime of their time was like how it was "in the good days"

When people think back on anime seasons just 2 or 3 really great shows are enough for them to trick themselves into believing that those seasons were "gold ages". It's hard to measure the quality of a particular season since it's already hard enough to measure the quality of individual shows.

not really

nobody was buying 80 percent of the shit that gets made every season

Why wait? We already have people looking back at 2007 like it was the best year of anime

I wonder if that means the Netflix deals and stuff are off now, they were basically only saying yes since they were just saying yes to greenlight basically anything, and this shows that they hit a wall with that

The only difference is that back then there was maybe one or two shitty shows a year instead of a dozen.

i can't even think of anything anime that was worth watching from like 2015 onwards aside from an obvious one like one punch man

>2007
Hidamari Sketch, Guren Lagann, Afro Samurai, Darker Than Black, SZS, etc.

On the other hand it had stuff like Himawari!!, Juusou Kikou Dancougar Nova, Romeo x Juliet, Sky Girls, etc. which no one remembers. Selecting a "best year of anime" is just a massive game of cherrypicking.

If have a soft spot for the anime resurgence that happened in 2006 with stuff like Haruhi and Key adaptions, but 2010-2012 in anime had some of the best stuff, especially from Shaft, along with new and old favorites, I think of back then a remember stuff like Madoka, Denpa Onna and Joshiraku, maybe it was just a comfy time in my life, good stuff came out afterward sure, but the environment changed and that's enough to change your judgement on everything as a whole

There's already idiots saying that because 9 years ago they were kids watching their first anime.

with black jack, and hookers

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>Starlight is part of an existing media franchise, and Toji no Miko is a phone game.
Regardless of that both of them worked in the exact same way that anime originals do.
You should realize already that nowadays you can't rely only on disc sales.

>idolshit that was bound to sell because otaku will eat up anything that involves girls prancing around in frilly dresses and screeching into a microphone
And yet absolutely nobody saw it coming. It easy to say things are predictable AFTER they happen.

You are embarrassing.

>Regardless of that both of them worked in the exact same way that anime originals do.
The trend of good anime coming out of what you would normally expect to be lifeless mobage adaptations because the directors have lots of creative control while still retaining a good amount of financial backing is a nice one to have, but again, it's the existence of something else forking out the cash that's the important part. A studio can't work without that kind of support, and lots of the time it comes with strings attached.

No studio is financially independent.
Even with 100% original anime you still have a committee and ulterior motives e.g. robot toys for mecha originals.

FINALLY.
More time to play all the anime games I have on my endless backlog.

In my view the number of decent-looking shows this spring is about the same as most other seasons, so I don't think you'll have much free time unless you're extremely picky.

>Not a single studio is willing to take risks anymore and shows that actually do like Flip Flappers wind up selling less than half a Fractale.
It's almost like Shit Shatters isn't worth the paper they drew it on.

Yeah it's always a random taste thing for me. I watch way less anime this time but it's an exception, not because the season is much weaker than others. I just happen to be more in the mood of playing games right now.

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Finally some good anime

This is a step in the right direction

this, you faggots over here really think you make a difference

What affect does us gaijin watching shit for free have on this, if at all? Or is this just jap companies jewing once again?

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This I can't wait to reach the American industry situation!

Braindead idiot

lmao no, there are like 10 isekai daptations more on this year alone

In my view I'm seeing a lot of second seasons to things I haven't and don't plan on watching, adaptations of meme manga I've already read, and a lot of other filler. The only things I'm particularly interesting are OPM and a couple of original series.

In other words it's like any other season. I don't think I'm 'extremely picky' for only watching a handful of anime per season.

total number of shows doesn't matter. what's important is the number of shows with uncensored nipples and it's been going down for years.

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>japs getting bored of isekai

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not really, you just forgot or don't even know about all the shitty shows that aired back then

We have 0 effect on the industry user, even CR subscribers have almost no effect. It's mostly Japan, and somewhat China that controls the industry.

>What affect does us gaijin watching shit for free have on this
literally nothing, even your average CR suscriber has more effect than any user who never spends a dime on anything anime related

Western audience is nothing compared to the local market. And obviously pirates are even less.

is it just that the inflow of money from the west is so small compared to the asian market, that it doesnt matter what we do?

I always wanted an imouto.

>Every single season of anime had their shitty shows that made people question the longevity of the anime industry since as early as the fucking 80s.
This is only true for Japan. It feels different in the West from the 00's because people only fansubbed the good and/or popular series and ignored low quality stuff. But now that everything's being subbed by licensors, people are more aware of what the shit stuff is that never came to light before.

My point is that there was just less television anime being made back in the 80s. There would be maybe 30 or so shows for the whole year, instead of 30 or more shows in a single season.

Granted, most of the shows were still 50 or more episodes in length.

This is something that needed to happen a while ago

Yes.

Not a lot of money spent on licensed goods makes it back to Japan. Majority of it just goes to whoever licensed it. Most westerners aren't going out of their way to import the Japanese BDs or merchandise, so they'll always have a smaller impact. Of course, a lot of money is paid up front to license something, but that somewhat removes the audience's ability to vote with their wallet.

>fan says

People already look at the 00s like this

its mostly a problem with distribution, the west consumes anime, but whatever you buy here (not counting imports) goes to american companies, not japs ones. So even if something sells really well here it has little to none impact in what the nips decide to produce because all the money goes to western companies. There are some exceptions like Big O season 2, but those are very rare cases.
Also as of now chinks are a far bigger powerhouse.

The 00's were a shitshow, especially the first half.

Nah man. They sucked ass.

well you know what that means boys

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>Welcome to the era of isekai

Isekai will die much sooner. Yuri and Science Fiction will return to glory real soon.

*low effort mobage and gachashit

2010s unironically are the best anime has ever been

Whatever. Just give me another Natsume season.

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Mobage and gachashit anime have been surprisingly high quality lately. I think with the stupid amount of money gacha makes they don't need the anime to sell, just grab attention, so they feel like they have the freedom to do whatever they want. You'd expect it to be low effort but some go in very original directions.

Majority are low effort

Don't forget pachinko anime.

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High quality in what sense? The best gacha anime is a quirky parody of gacha games. Most others are literally just pretty pictures of nothing (just like the games they're based on)

We need more battle harems focusing on fertile girls and chad MC's

No, because I can't self-insert if the MC is a chad

In the sense that they're AOTY.

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Why are you posting a stage play adaptation in a conversation about mobage adaptations?

>fan says

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>High quality in what sense?
Production value. Cygames anime like Bahamut and Umamusume had a lot of money and talent put into them.

236 anime were aired in 2006 alone.

The anime has practically nothing in common with the stage play.

>soranews24

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>no gakuran
why would anyone want to go to a school where you can't dress like a bancho?

This is great news. Hopefully someday we can get back to the standard of the late 2000s/early 2010s where there were less than 30 shows airing in a season.

>Idolshit
Pretty much free money unless you try to make it pretentious like WUG

>Most westerners aren't going out of their way to import the Japanese BDs or merchandise

I don't get this. I live in a poor shithole country, in a tiny rural town, and every time I go to the mail service to collect a package, the place is filled with dozens of Amiami boxes. If even people here can afford to buy anime merch, it's hard for me to believe that burgers and eurofags aren't contributing enough to have an impact on the industry.

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WUG wasn't pretentious. It was quite down to earth actually. Yamakan shit just doesn't sell because he burned all his bridges.

A 4K 60 FPS AV consisting of himself jacking off to himself for an hour while he whispers self-congratulatory quips in 5.1 surround sound would be a more modest display of his ego than the entirety of WUG.

That's just your multiple personality disorder, don't worry about it.

From 1961 tv anime per year
*only number of titles,doesn't record multiple season
*shows of variable length
*only tv anime no movies,specials,OVAs,or ONAs
*2019 is incomplete and may contain announcements
2,1,7,2,9,10,8,9,11;1970;7,13,13,16,16,17,16,23,15,20;1980;23,27,24,33,31,16,23,25,23,30;1990;20,31,24,20,25,32,36,40,63,72;2000;52,74,,77,92,113,107,160,127,118,109;2010;91,119,144,153,172,158,180,161,186,98*

It probably doesn't even have a dusty lot near a riverbank close to it so you can have fights at sunset...

only 2000s try 1970s

>chest ribbons
>lgtb
so all those bishi vampires really were women who knew

30-80 per year is ideal. Fuck that ridiculous 100% ramp up in 4 years to 160. And we're doing the same shit again in the 2010s.

some of them are still trying to isekai themselves to the us

Burgers mainly buy Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, Gundam, and Ghibli merch. And even then those sales pale in comparison to the Japanese and Chinese markets.

in terms of watch years of 12 hours a day assuming 6 hours a season of anime. rough averages from mal. 1960s .5,1970s .5,1980s 1, 1990s 2, 2000s 6, 2010s 8. so 10 years worth pre 2010, 4 years worth pre 2000. total each decade untill 2000 which was 2.5x and 2010 which was 1.8x. so there is still some growth but it might reach its k limit within the year.

I'd much rather have broadcast minutes than number of different titles, although even then I'm sure the total number of broadcast hours of Japanese TV period has increased.

If Japan could capitalize on the current trade war and tell the NK to STFU, there's still a chance.
But no, the next world recession is closing in and Abe isn't Koizumi

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that's considerable work. but if I did I do.
show at 18-30 minute, half show at 10-18, short at 4-10, short short at 1-4. I'd likely actually count those as 1,.5,.25,.125 of a watch season and calculate total watch seasons per season and maybe recalculate by 24 multiple. this is enough to measure resource drain per season. you can add movies in too but the amount of resources spent on them skews high

what is there to watch in the spring season besides senko-san and OPM?

What dataset are you using? AniDB, ANN, MAL?

Good. Now can we finally get sequels to shows that actually sold well?

The numbers are from wikipedia they're mostly accurate. The watch years is guessing from mal basically 1995 = (1995-1999)x5. I've done this before and more accurately but not recently and i never wrote it down or at least I cant find them. So 18 whatch year total maybe at worst 16-20. and I heavly rounded things pre 2000 is 4.47 if I remember right, but this didn't need specific numbers to give a general impression. I've used Ann and livechart they all are just about the same especially exclusive to tv anime and especially and this very large scale

Half the issue is that in general episode counts have been going down. Even 50 episode runs used to be decently common but are now super rare and these days we're seeing single cour shows get down to a paltry 10 episodes.

I haven't seen a lowering in episode count its still 12 or 13 with some 11s I can't think of a 10.
for watch years I counted shows airing per season and not new titles like the raw year numbers, depressingly enough the newer ones are almost completely accurate no continuing.

usually they sell a time slot for the whole courter. so I don't see how they'd only fill 10

Abe's sperm doesn't work.

SnK S3 part 2 is 10 episodes for some reason. That's the only one that comes to mind.

Most of those 50 episode shows were filled with trashy filler. If you can't tell a good story in ten episodes you should just get out.

The sad truth is that we still get very good shows and anime with something to say, people just don't care because all they want is another Cowboy Bebop, and because they are scared to admit they like something.

>I can't think of a 10.
Mondaiji-tachi, Saintia Shou. Manaria Friends, Mini Toji, just from a quick look on taiga.

Both seasons of Konosuba, Chaika S2, Net-juu (although that had the weird OVA the next day thing), DAL II, even the first season of Prism Illya was 10 episodes. I've actually seen a lot more 10 episode shows than 11.

*first 3 seasons of Prisma Ilya

Oh yeah konosuba was 10 and that netjuu ova was weird. Did those all air in the same block? Are they sell by tens now? That's fucking weird

>fan says
the fuck?

At least /pol/'s shitty sources often have real names attached even if it is still just as much a nobody.

>real names attached
You mean real (((names)))?

Japanese fans are too ashamed to attach their actual names to anime math.

You just told the entire industry to get out user.

Anime blogs are not anime, kill yourself.

if I pretend to be a cynical anime critic with superior refined taste who hates all anime will I get to fit in

The best anime in 2018 was Taiwanese puppets, anime has utterly failed

define very good

if your idea of very good involves zombieland saga or kemono friends or whatever meme flavour of the month show that Yea Forums latches onto several times a season then please fucking shoot yourself

because Flip Flopper was absolute SHITE
look at the actual soulful passion project like Sora Yori. it's beloved by all.

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Maybe they should have directed anime that we came up with like Blue Shift