Are we in trouble?

Does is really work like that, or does it mean there's 17 less chances for a decent show?

>less quantity will lead to more quality
And yet most of adapted anime nowadays are isekai.

Better than the countless Infinite Stratos clones we were getting before.

>livechart.me/spring-2019/tv
Even excluding winter leftovers, specials, shows that are streaming rather than being broadcast, and shows that have yet to have an air date confirmed, there's still at least 30 shows that air at 10pm or later, with more to come as spring gets closer. "Late night" is a meaningless distinction anyway, and arguably the success of the anime industry is driven more by family-friendly prime time shows than late night shows.

>muh quality over quantity
Anime production has never been a zero sum game. Fewer anime being made would not mean that each one gets a bigger slice of the available funding (or other resources like time or manpower), it would just mean that less is being invested into anime production to begin with (which, again, is a tenuous claim when spring is still a month out).

Pick any season ever and count the isekai.

There's an uptick in Japan of people watching streaming be it NicoNico, YouTube, or Twitch. It's not really that surprising. Besides, owarai varieties are cheaper to produce.

Quality > quantity

There are occasional spikes in production if you look back, an isolated sample doesn't give you a big picture

>ironic weebs shounenonlybabies want less anime
>hurr quality > quantity
having more options is always better

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Needs to fall even more

All anime is art

you dont need that much

*Having more garbage is always better than a bit of garbage

Yeah because it's only the bad anime that don't show up

What is even the purpose of anime anymore? It's all either garbage for kids or awful adaptations of light novels.

it's more like 80% of seasonal series are send to die,even killing the material source

same it always was, entertainment

of course. just because it's garbage for you, it doesn't it's garbage for other people.

natural selection

t. braneltes
same as always, source material advertizement

>of course. just because it's garbage for you, it doesn't it's garbage for other people.
Even though some people like to eat shit, it's still shit.

Your refutation of the quality vs quantity claim doesn't hold when you look at the number of shows created just before the 2008 crash when overall investment was almost at an all time high (almost because it was only surpassed last year). There definitely weren't 45 shows airing per season in 2007/2008.

There are almost 900 manga released / month. how do you make the ones that you're selling stand out? exactly.

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and your taste is objective because?
you're probably a shounenbaby with extremely narrow genre scope.

>quantity
Who cares? How do we go about increasing quality?

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I wish it worked like that but it doesn't. It just means less anime overall. All the garbage will be there, just less of it and even less quality content.

>youd have to read 30 different chapters a day just to keep up
Jesus

It’s the opposite, less anime means studios won’t be stretched so thin and we’ll get better quality stuff

We were oversaturated anyway.

And? If there's 45 series per season and 2 are good with 10 mediocre would it really matter if with only 25 series per season there's just 1 really good and 5 mediocre?

Depends
>Overworking studios gives crap
>Taking rejected authors/works = mostly crap
>Deep search into kinoland = nice
>Promoting new authors = ok

Forgive robot english I'm russia

There's like 3 series worth watching each season at best

>contractors having less work is good
Then why weren't they turning work down before?

nobody forces you to watch what you call "garbage" now fuck off

It doesn't work that way. there will just be more unemployment since there's less work to do. no one benefits from having less anime / season.

like mob psycho, bunny girls and zombieland saga!!! agreee!!

I do

>Quality anime, as in, anime as an art form
The whole point of anime was from the get go to produce episodes quickly and cheaply. The entire style, starting with Astroboy, is based around prioritizing quantity over quality. That's the whole point and always was from day one, you ignoramus.

>Then why weren't they turning work down before?
Some people from the industry were literally complaining about studios picking up everything they can and then not having enough workforce to produce a quality product.

>hurr durr i am so smart
>reductionist argument that completely misses the point

there were around 20-25 shows that I liked in 2k18
If they just cut the shit I don't like I'd be fine with it,but I'm afraid they didn't

you can kindly fuck off

just loop asmr of someone taking a shit

Except that I never said it started as an art form at all. It's artistic quality has always been in flux, especially through the boom of the 80s and 90s, regardless of where it started.

Your point was that high quality anime is in the past. In reality, high quality anime is in your imaginaiton only.

No, it's always been the same: purposefully cheapo TV serials.

Nah Ill be around, benefiting

Just means I will have less things to add to my backlog that I will never watch.

>hey guys i found out something from spending a hour or two on google
>all anime cuts corners, miyazaki was right
>tezuka ruined everything
>everything's trash, nothing's high quality
nihilist garbage

This winter has been the best season in years
>Mob Psycho II
>Dororo
>Neverland
>Slime leftover
Really, tell me the last time we had a season this good. Last year's winter can't even compare.

Hell next season looks great too with OPM S2 and Shingeki no Kyojin S4 which adapts one of the best arcs in the series and one of the biggest reasons why the manga is so highly rated. This decade looks to be ending in a bang.

>Forgive robot english I'm russia
ESLs are cute.

Yeah okay buddy, you're entitled to your opinion.

there's more high quality anime being made these days than in the past simply because there's more now. more anime being made means there's more chance something great will be made. more option is ALWAYS better.

Less shows means more talent and quality and time is concentrated on each. This ia a good thing.

Good. The market is fixing itself. Nothing wrong with that. You can't seriously expect studios to churn out new shows every season at a loss.

Says the retard that can't spell and doesn't understand how a production committee works.

That's a rather optimistic view you have there user.

You don't make some shit unpopular manga stand out by investing a huge amount of money into a risky enterprise. You pick those cheap to print comics and novels that have already garnered some popularity for whatever reason and then make an anime because it's much less risky and you can gain profits from other stuff than just books.

That would be true if anime was just randomly generated out of thin air, but it's not as simple if there's a limited amount of resources (such as animators) all projects rely on. If you made as many anime as there are animators and just had a single one working on each of them, they'd pretty certainly all be shit.

>more high quality anime made these days than in the past
numerically?
yes, compared to the 60s through 90s
no, compared to the 00s
what happened in the 10s? cutting seasons to half cours, resulting in double the number of series produced per season. lack of quality staff available, meaning more shows have shit directors and shit design since they doubled the series per season, though number of episodes per year is still about the same. emphasizing detailed designs over simpler, easier to animate, but equally effective ones, meaning cgi backgrounds, photoshop filter abuse, and shitty line art with all the new shows having this butt retarded sheen to them. shitting out half cour incomplete manga adaptations left and right with read the manga endings. adapting mobile games into half cour disposable shit with event bonuses to sell disks
>more option is always better
paradox of choice nigga

If the people who make quality still make the same mount of shows, and the people who just pump out would slow down and be more focused only good will come out.

Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

I could be better or it could be worse. I'm not going to make baseless assumptions about what might happen because I'm neither an industry or economics expert.

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Do we have any guess how many volumes of manga are published yearly?

Good. I don't want to watch 40 shows a season.

>speed watching

nothing wrong with watching an entire season at 1.5x speed in media player. I miss nothing. Get on my level you faggot pricks.

I remember when people were complaining about J.C Staff working on an infinite amount of shows and movies this year. And the others were like "NO! THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING! LET'S THEM DO THEIR JOB!"
Then Date a Live 3 is released and it's an absolute QUALITYfest. You can clearly see that they don't have enough good animators to work on everything.

Based rational user.

Obviously it's not a static 1:1 thing, and the amount any anime gets will be subject to economic factors among other things, but my point is that it's not so simple as "100,000,000 yen divided by 20 shows instead of 40" which is what many people seem to think it is. If a company wants to invest in anime production, maybe they'll start their own production committee (thus adding more to the overall pool by funding a new production), but even if they choose to instead join the production committee for another anime, that doesn't necessarily mean that the funding for that anime increases - it could just as well be that every other member of the production committee contributes less.

There are countless animators, or wannabe animators, out there. There is no shortage of them. That's why they get paid peanuts, because they are disposable and replaceable labor. But even if you put more of them onto a single production (i.e. by spending more money) it wouldn't solve anything because the real problems are compressed timelines and poor project management. Just look at that graph that had key animators per episode, where Yuri on Ice had by far the most and it still looked like utter crap because it was a rush job.

"Nihilist"? Are you retarded? That fucker blabs about how anime's not the art that it used to be, which is bullshit and I'm pointing it out. Use you brain. Also, consult a fucking dictionary.

>your english bad!
sasuga EOP

Nobody is forcing you to watch everything.

So you're more retarded than I thought. Nihilist is the perfect word to describe someone who literally thinks because Tezuka pioneered limited animation over Miyazaki's quality animation there's never been high quality TV anime (except maybe Future Boy Conan or some shit). Textbook example of an entry level pseud and nihilist calling everything shit because they just learned something. Reductionist also because lumping literally every TV anime in existence into low quality or "not art" is fucking pointless on an anime board, unless again you're some pseud who watches anime "shlock" but is "woke" to realize that it's all shit.

I know 4 languages, your move, ボケ.

You dont even know English.

Alright, but how many of these are worth reading?

that's why you need personal filter to dump the garbage and read the good stuff, but a small amount of people really share good stuff, a lot keep to themselves.

What do you think?

Nice projection, senpai.

How do you know something is good/bad without knowing the content?

Some anime adaptations of manga can be enjoyable.

See Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, Space Bros, Kaiji, Chihayafuru, Hajime no Ippo, etc.

you need to diet

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Easy. All good manga get an anime eventually.

Overused cliches and stupid themes? aka isekai
I was reading some Korean gamer stuff, it is almost the same.

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You mean potentially good manga from big brands that have enough money to fund anime advertizement like big shounen magazines? vast majority of seinen or niche manga never get that kind of luxury. they aren't even translated because most fan translators are N3 shitters who can't into complex jap.

Doesn't work for me, recommendations are personal as well
Someone told me to read Okada Kazuto mangas, tried Ibitsu and it was garbage... but Sundome was satisfying, recommendations are just a direction to go for, not real experience.

The word you're looking for is cynic, dear dipshit.
Also, Miyazaki has never done anime in his fucking life.

>What does it mean for the future of the industry to have such a huge drop in number of shows?

That, against all odds, they wised up and stopped trying to produce shit far over demand and capacity. Which is a good thing.

>Easy. All good manga get terrible anime eventually.
Fixed.

Fixing the Japanese economy so rank and file animators aren't paid slave wages while working 16 hour work days, and so mangaka aren't more interested in seeing how long they can forcibly extend their series for more money than telling a good story to begin with.
Sadly with the government making bank on Pachinko which drains 10-20 billion yen a year on top of natural government blood sucking there is no way that'll happen

>absoulte QUALITYfest

Wasn't that just episode 1?

Pretty sure it has been steadily getting better.

That one imouto anime that aired recently, now THAT was a stinker and the studio complained about not getting paid.

You think that if they pay shitty TV animators more they'll somehow become less shitty?

Because they are shit that no one reads so naturally the publishers can't gather a production committee dumb enough to invest several million dollaroos animating unpopular shit that will never return that investment.

The anime are so shitty, they don't deserve good wages. 50% is done by koreans now anyway.

It's entirely their fault for accepting more projects beyond their capability.

Exactly. To even get an anime your shit has to be ridiculously fucking popular already.

>morale isn't a thing
>reasonable work hours aren't a thing
If you're working 16 hours a day making less than a kid selling lemonade on a sidewalk why the fuck would you care to make a good product?

Just because they don't have enough mainstream appeal to gather lowest common denominators, doesn't mean they're "shit that no one reads". it's plain obvious that you are a shounenbaby who only eat mainstream shit.

Cynics don't call everything shit. Most things, but not all. Nihilists (who are usually pseuds) do, which is exactly what you are since you literally hate all TV anime.
>Miyazaki never did TV anime
Even better for you.

Don't see anything wrong with this maybe they'll put effort in for good anime instead of churning shit out like a factory.

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Reasonable work hours, let alone "morale" has never, ever made a shitty artist into a good one. If anything, the opposite was always true.

>If you're working 16 hours a day making less than a kid selling lemonade on a sidewalk why the fuck would you care to make a good product?
Better question, why would you waste your life to make something you didn't even care about?

I never called "everything shit" though. Reading fucking comprehension, my ESL friend.

Because jobs in general take the fun out of your passion. Japanese work ethics and pay rates just make it worse, faster

otakuusamagazine.com/one-in-four-anime-studios-in-the-red-says-report/

It was just a matter of time. Why keep producing garbage that nobody wants to buy?

So only mainstream series are allowed to exist in the future? truly the death of creativity.

If they do anything it'll just be focussing on the biggest selling series. I can't imagine how shit anime would be if only the top 50% most popular shows from each season were to exist. I don't think better animation would make me want to watch shit like Gridman or SAO.
Considering a few 3DCG series are doing well this season I imagine they'll continue growing as well. I can't imagine Virtual-san cost much so maybe more things like that. We've already had the reverse crossover of anime series doing vtuber stuff so it doesn't seem too unlikely.

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>only shounen gets animated
You don't need "mainstream" appeal, you just need a sizeable fanbase which naturally forms around any half-decent manga/LN/WN.

Not literally, but making a pointless high/low quality distinction between "cheapo TV shows" done using Tezuka's limited animation and Miyazaki's "quality animation" is equivalent. Lumping over 99% of the shit out there as low quality with no sense of nuance is the same as calling everything shit.

No. Chinese anime will take over as I foresaw years ago.

>late-night

Good less shit to watch

>retards falling for this OP
its like i am on Yea Forums and someone posted twitter screencap

Those 17 shows are probably the ones that literally only one of us watches, so it doesn't matter

What the fuck are you even mubmling over there? Are you talking to yourself now or what?

No, I'm just calling you out on how fucking stupid and pointless your original statement of calling any TV series low quality is.

so sad, like some stuff might be good but dies at the bottom of the selling chart.
looking at you Mondaiji

"naturally"? it's all marketing.

There are enough

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>number of Japanese anime shows at spring 29
>number of Chinese anime shows at spring 38
its over

Yeah, all those free to read WNs from narou that got popular online, picked up by the publishers and made into an anime sure did that because of marketing and not the taste of their readers.

The vast majority of studios work as contractors. How successful an anime is or isn't doesn't impact them at all, because they're just paid a fixed amount to animate it (or do the backgrounds, or provide CG assets, or whatever it might be) and that's all. If they're in the red then either they're not getting enough work (in which case fewer anime being produced won't do them any good) or the business is just being managed poorly.

It's both. being on the Narou itself is part of the marketing because it's a big platform where many people can read your works.

>being on the Narou itself is part of the marketing because it's a big platform where many people can read your works.
How many novels do you think get posted on Narou compared to how many get picked up by publishers?

What's your point?

Based rich and free KyoAni styling on the scrubs and slaves.

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I dunno, but this has been the worst season I've ever seen.
Like there is one or two good shows and the rest is mediocre.

Big turn around from 2017.

Bullshit. It's been utter crap aside from Neverland.

Every studio is booked until 2022 and busy producing high budget anime for Netflix/Amazon, they coudn't care less about late nite anime

gossip about K-ON cost like 200k USD to make, i wonder how much it cost for VEG/Hibikek

Well, it means the days of pirating ruling the seas might be at an end as streaming might be opening the door to more substantial profits.

the industry doesn't only revolve around you shounenfags.

i need a new anime i only watched dragon ball, death note and samurai jack.
any suggestions?

You are hearing wrong gossip then. 200k is like 1 episode of anime. Albeit, for KyoAni its cheaper than others since they do not outsource, but still.

ripping the stream is easier

Good, let's hope it gets even lower.

There are some absolutely mind-blowingly bad anime shows out there though. I kinda expected this 2bh.
But considering there were not even this many studios in the past... it seems it's just a reversion back to the start of this decade, perhaps even the decade before.

People have stopped deluding themselves that it's just going to break even. It needs profit or it doesn't happen.
Otaku faith to the industry is bound to die down one day... so streaming seems to be the next thing (although I've heard there are issues with netflix, etc)
Frankly though... I've never watched so little anime in a season. It's just stopped interesting me. I think many anons are getting on a bit and are probably in the same boat.

>mind-blowingly bad
Name 10. since you're claiming Neverland is the ONLY good thing, you should be able to name at least 10. If you can't, I'm afraid you're not actually an anime fan, but a weekly shounen jump fan.

Why torrent it when you can stream it in HD with a click?
Plus it doesn't seem that expensive compared to things like cable TV.
My worry is that the costs will rise though. I think Netflix and Amazon are monopolising this market.
I also think the days of anime having the freedom to push boundaries is over, because those two corporations are massive faggots when it comes to controlling content.

You guys are fucking retarded arguing about quality vs quantity like anime is moved by a single entity, the decrease in options in yearly shows means we could be fuck in the ass. It could mean anime is dying or becoming too expensive for business venture.

>Name 10
I can name 1 only because the rest are forgetful.

I normally watch about 10... that's the problem. Why am I suddenly not interested in these shows? Because they aren't very interesting.

>Why torrent it when you can stream it in HD with a click?
to own it.
same reason why I ripped every ebook that I've bought.
You will never know when the service is going to be gone and all of sudden you lose everything.

Nah the 1 in 4 seems to be something that has existed for a while. In fact, I swear it was a lot worse like 5 years ago.

>they aren't very interesting.
for you.
your taste isn't objective.

I don't want to own a show, I want to watch and experience the show.
That's another thing that is changing in people, the idea of owning a copy of the show. It doesn't interest people that much any more now streaming has caught on. People experience the show and move on.

Yea Forums doesn't seem to be talking about them this season. Normally I find good shows because Yea Forums talks about them.

>I
sure

by Yea Forums you mean, people from weekly shounen generals? okay, kid. don't mind me, keep watching your neverland.

Back to Yea Forums with that cancerous mentality.

I'm saying this because I'm worried anime is not doing the same for me as it did 10 years ago.

Fucking none

>Number of series I watched in 2018: 0
>Number of series I'm going to watch in 2019: 1

Everything seems fine to me.

Normally there are stupid threads about shows on the front page even with the shounen general cancer (that needs a separate board)

Obviously, since you need to know nip to read any of them, dekinai-kun.

anime this season with active stupid threads besides your beloved neverland
>shield hero
>5toubun
>wataten
>endro
>jojo
>mahou shoujo asuka
>kaguya
>manaria friends
>sao
>mob
>dororo
and there are bunch other without active threads.
Whether you like any of them or not, it seems that you need to lurk more.

I usually click them.
Not this season.

That's like saying being on a bookshelf in a shop is marketing because many people can notice it.

His point is that it'd be marketing if those particular works among thousands others were advertised by the publishers on purpose and not grew through the word of mouth by being liked by many people.

>Fan says

Adaptations only kill the source material if it was doing badly in the first place and they just hoped the adaptation would catch more attention, increasing its sales (or sales of related merchandising).

Apparently Ultra Super Pictures is in difficulty.

Oh no, anime is dying.

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It's far from dying. It's never been bigger.
But there will be bumps.

Typical example where feelings win it from facts. Anime has never been better, though I miss things with the same quality as K-On or Haruhi.

We're more likely to see fewer actual quality shows since the ones sticking around are the generic cash grabs

>generic cash grabs
Eh, that's been said about the industry for decades now. It simply is not going to be the case. Why? You need some diversity in shows and new ideas tend to become viral and sell more.

user, you're missing the point, just because pig prefer shit over diamond doesn't mean that said diamond is worthless.

Who wrote that rubbish, its not even true.

That just means there are 17 less isekai shows

There is honestly so much anime existing that if they stopped making it, it wouldn't make a difference. How could anyone have completed all the anime that exists and is looking for newer ones, its not like newer>older anime in anyway

No more using anime as LN & Manga advertisement.

I remember being in high school.

More like no more expensive and risky original anime and more safer media franchise adaptations.

I guessed something like this would happen when I noticed that anime is starting to become mainstream. I guess anime becomes more just a moneygrab where they make shows that are sure to profit, like most of entertainment industry. But time will tell.

While I still would have a lot to watch even if nothing else were to ever be made the current era is probably my favourite. It'd be nice to have more of it to build up a bigger backlog in case anime does go a direction I don't like next.

I have no backlog for years already since I've consumed (almost) everything within my interest (around 1500).

>I guess anime becomes more just a moneygrab where they make shows that are sure to profit, like most of entertainment industry.
How can you think this is not the case already, any company paying for anime to be produced wants to sell, only difference is some of them want to appeal to niche audiences instead of just mainstream. And yes obviously a lot of people making them are doing it out of passion but it's still their work.

user, I'm sad to tell you that anime has been an industry longer than you've been alive. And the very basic of every industry that isn't majorly bankrolled by taxes is that it has to generate a profit.

>how can you not think this is the case already
This is what I meant to say, but you get my point.

> don't think better animation would make me want to watch shit like Gridman

It wasn't all bad.

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>How can you not think this is the case already
I do, that's why I said "anime becomes MORE just a moneygrab"
>And the very basic of every industry that isn't majorly bankrolled by taxes
And thank god for that, anime wouldn't probably be good if it would.

I don't claim that anime and manga being a business ruins the industry. But there seems to be certain type of mediocrity following big money and "bigger audience". I dunno maybe I'm just a hipster.

Big investment neccessitates a big return and of course a big blockbuster will probably never be as "good" in specific ways as movies or series that specifically target a niche.
But I don't think it's worth worrying about because a) Anime is a niche medium and b) even in a market as mainstream focused as say cinema there are still a shit ton more niche films coming out.

Thats how it dies, by getting bigger
Look at games

Isekai still has POTENTIAL that we haven't excavated.

Not really. Aside from Mushouku Tensei and Tsuki ga Michikibu theres litterally nothing worth left adapting - just niche (like otome iseka trend about to start) and copy pastes with no value.

Isekai is huge, but its Chinese/Korean novels. Japanese Isekai pretty much is done.

what will be the next big thing I wonder

All LNshit is awful, but there always comes along a gem once in a blue moon. Even after all these years, I still like the idea of isekai. It's only the prevalent unoriginality that has become ridiculous.

It's not that I think it's badly animated (although that webm posted early on didn't look great) but more that it's an area I don't care about.
It's the main problem I have with the quality vs quantity argument, as no amount of animation quality will help a series or genre I'm not interested in.
I'm sure there are people that think Manaria Friends is a waste of decent artwork while I'm liking it, and I would probably still like it even if it looked cheaper.

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From japan? Remakes. LOTS of remakes of old stuff.

Battle royale, once all the kids who grew up on it start getting nostalgic.

read a book

I guess you are right, I see that trend happening worldwide too

BR can never be a big thing, because there litterally is no good BR novels/manga since original Battle Royale. They are all crap, like recent King's Game.

On other hand, just increase in edgy and gory anime for a while is currently observable trend. Not sure for how long, but i`d not be surprised if they actually even adapted "Trash." or Dead tube, which would be unrealistic year or two ago

I mean I'd watch an anime adaptation of Battle Royale. The manga was pretty good aswell

Kami-sama no Iutoori is pretty good.

School rumble is the only battle royale adaptation that needs to exist in anime form

youtube.com/watch?v=lU3Eu8AYW-4
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youtube.com/watch?v=v98zfxlrZtA

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I'm talking about years into the future. It'll be like the MMO explosion we saw back in 2013.

I can't see edgy survival games becoming a trend again. Was already tried and faded. If anything, maybe return of mindgames like Death Note/Liar Game, but not BR. Its just note very interesting.

What we all want is original anime, not some manga/ln/vn/games adaptation.
Only original anime really are anime.

> Main Kyoanus on that pic
fucking man just all same face.

Movie year huh.
Well it was only a matter of time for them to switch to making only movies, they really want that Oscar bait. If I had to guess they're aiming at the animation Oscar with that VEG movie, but we'll see.

200k would be the cost for a single episode. And there's no way VEG was cheap to make.

at least I can watch everything now

>there will just be more unemployment since there's less work to do.
Who says there'll be less work to do? Ideally, they'd be able to put more time and effort into each project, increasing its chance of success

What people don't understand is that anime are now mainly trash because of the community, studio are making what the viewer want and that's sadly mainly waifubait/isekai/ecchi/harem/school life shows.

Do you think that success/sales scale stronger than lineary with better animation?

>studio are making what the viewer want
Except thats absolutely wrong. Studios make what publishers want and pay for, which does not directly correlate with what consumers actually want.

Chinks and gook will take the place someday
youtube.com/watch?v=OqU9BMRH9ks
youtube.com/watch?v=2JFBKH_y36g
youtube.com/watch?v=xZYNNogw9jg

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They literally just copied anime
Chinks are soulless

lmao I can already see myself only watching kyoto animation shows in the near future

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You're totally wrong, if people stop watching trash anime the studio will not get any money and so to survive it will be forced to make what the viewer want.

>more time and effort
>chance of success
unrelated.

Studios are already not getting any money to survive and are forced to suck on every bone kadokawa/dengeki/other publishers throws them

Sucking Netflix and Chinese dick appears like salvation to them in comparison

>Are we in trouble?
No

>What does it mean
They are waking up and realizing competing with 39 other shows every 4 months in a still niche consumer is not good for anyone

And where do publishers get their money from ?

The problem with Chinese anime their 3D anime is currently far ahead than their 2d ones, questioning if they even need to develop 2d anime further

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publishing and whats more important distribution monopoly with mafia ties

Studios get paid to produce anime.
If they negotiate rates and conditions that make them unable to survive that's on them, not the publishers.

Japan studios outsource with Chink and gooks for cheap.
Also japan lower brithrate will fuck with mainstream anime
The ebst Korean "anime"
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Weird flex but ok.
Money doesn't fall from the sky kiddo, if a anime flop producters like Aniplex don't get any money.

china has an even lower birthrate than japan, there is no fixing that

You're underestimating the power of nostalgia. We grew up on games like WoW, Maplestory, and Runescape. The new generation is growing up on games like Fortnite, PUBG, and Apex. What's boring for you will become stimulating for them. It's not like MMO or isekai was never done before(see .hack), but why did it only recently become so popular? Similar reasons

Thank god for that. I had no idea what to do in 2018. So much garbage and good shows all at once it was insane to keep up every week I just stopped watching. Now I can focus on a few select ones.

less 5 minute animes

>We grew up on games like WoW
I wanted to shitpost about underage but then i realised that it's nearly 15 years old now

Actual anime revenue, is probably the absolute smallest part of money earned in their calculations. The music OP/ED cd sales alone and concert tickets are probably more important than BD sales, let alone merch and the fact absolute majority of anime is just ads for light novels/manga.

Most anime currently, even the most popular like say Shield Hero atm, are all made on shoestring budget and, frankly, publishers do not care how good they are and studios how well they make them as long they are paid. And studios do not fear to lose jobs in competition if they deliver shit product - since demand for anime adaptations atm is so huge, most studios are booked for years ahead and its hard to kickstart a new anime project simply because every studio and even freelancers are already busy.

>playing wow at literal age 3
My user can't be this much of a brainlet!

>but why did it only recently become so popular?
SAO.

You destroy your argument by bringing above examples, because theres litterally no reflection of stuff you mentioned in modern anime culture, nor nostalgia for them and request for inspired by RO anime say.

Isekai genre exploded solely due to SAO in Japan and Moonlight Sculptor in Korea, with publishers starting hastily picking every low quality webnovel to publish trying to follow the success.

Technically, what we have now though should be qualified not as "isekai" (other world, which existed since forever), but particularly "LitRPG" - aka MC transported in a game like world with stats and game tropes. Originally it started with litterally "trapped in MMO", but now evolved simply into - "truck hit me and i got reborn into Dragon Queset world with Uber cheat stats"

The popularity of SAO and LMS was merely a culmination from seeds planted years before.

I am not the "we" of your generation or the new generation.

I feel like anime is becoming more bland because companies are not willing to take risks and just repeat the same shit.

I don't know if I will ever see another anime like Master Keaton, Legend of the Galactic Heroes or Monster.

Most anime these days seem to lack effort and go for merchandise sales above all else.

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>Market gets oversaturated/overexposed for a while
>Fatigue sets in
>Viewership drops
>Executives: "Scale back production!"

That's all it is. As the remaining series pick up more and more viewers they'll order more series again in a few years.

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Nah, it was just a chance. Same as how for example "villaines otome isekai" subgenre became a thing exclusively due to popularity of one surprise title that clicked with readers.

No one expected and predicted it, since market at time was completely dominated by "battle harem magic academies"

There are only so many Urasawa manga to adapt.
And if I remember correctly Pluto got announcement a while back.

Full movie here:
youtube.com/watch?v=_98lB-8h17g

I am not talking about just Urasawa.
I am talking mostly about putting effort into making believable stories that are not the same copy and paste Japanese high school drama or something similar with magic/fantasy mixed in.

I do wish there were more authors like Urasawa who have interest in creating stories outside of Japan that have more down to earth characters and setting.

Ironically, just as Kadokawa desperately motivated people to write more Isekai, now they are trying to make so people write something else for a change

soranews24.com/2017/05/22/anime-style-novel-contest-in-japan-bans-alternate-reality-stories-and-teen-protagonists/

Though now they are instead focusing from LitRPG to TableTop rpgs. Hoping for new Slayers/Lodoss?
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-01-10/kadokawa-launches-dragon-novels-imprint-for-novels-based-on-tabletop-rpgs/.141805

Grankrest Senki was experiment in that field, but did not seem very successful

>no alternate reality
>no teen protagonists

If only that was a law...
Throw in fantasy as well since most bad writers flock to it for easy cop out stories using magic to get out of any situation.

Imagine going to a concert for anime music

The smell would be unbearable...

Why not?
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Especially considering most OP/Ed singers are just artists music companies try to promote actively, who are big on their own.
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>what does it mean?
It means that more slaves, sorry I mean animators are dying or choosing to abandon the industry.

How is it chance? There are repeated studies that people are more inclined to things they liked when they were younger. Any successful brand knows that their biggest target is children. Even Disney keeps rehashing old movies.
The villainess otome isekai subgenre is riding off the coattails of isekai. It means that the main audience still enjoys isekai, but is bored of usual tropes and wants something a little different.

maybe the animators need to consider USA audience also, get stuff to DVD and on the air in the USA with subs/dubs a whole lot faster. It's been done a couple o' times, but if the industry did this ALL of the time, maybe it would help...

Then again, when you look what Holly-weird has done to American TV and movies lately, maybe not...

>in a still niche consumer
It feels like some of that niche is self created. I can't see any reason why a BD series should cost as much as buying around 100 manga volumes.
Even unpopular and not particularly well animated series can cost a lot. Pastel Memories is up for ￥ 15,120 per volume and ￥45,360 for the set of 3. You could buy 4 copies of the 7 season BD boxset of Game of Thrones for around the same price.
Even though I'm liking Pastel Memories I wouldn't pay more than £30 on it. It's no surprise it's currently on ~20 pre-orders.

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That's good we had way too many shows last year.
You don't deserve good things

Why do you seem so sure?

I've never seen a single good post use this reaction image.

What do children have to do with late night anime? Children have 600$ to buy series BD collection?

Even if you consider LNs are targeted at demographic age 13-19 - those children nostalgia is not yours: they don't have own taste yet and consume whats available and popular. They simply don't know/care about past trends.

A new wave of novel and new genres will STILL aime at new generation of such children, not at, how you claim - Fortnite nostalgia generation.

Way more likely some internet meme getting suddenly popular and exploding into whole new phenomenon, than trying to extrapolate anything of the current to future developments/popularity.

Well China still have billions for cheap work unlike Japan

>catering burger
please no.
I don't want the same thing that's happening in vidya to also happen here.

>i miss nothing!
he says, while speedwatchers/readers routinely prove they have no fucking clue what's happening beyond.

I don't think chinks can be too creative when it comes to comics and animation.

Sword art online got popular in 2013. Everyone from 13-19 had played MMOs in their early years during that time(Runescape came out in 2001, WoW came out in 2004). The ones older than that also played MMO's, and were capable of writing about it. That's why there was such a huge influx.
>A new wave of novel and new genres will STILL aime at new generation of such children, not at, how you claim - Fortnite nostalgia generation.
How the hell can it be nostalgia if BR is only a few years old? I'm talking about kids in the 4-8 year range growing up and reading LNs.

They arent allowed to either

Downscaling the cost does not sufficiently increase sales to make a benefit. That has been tried in the past.
Also >Stalker

I'll accept this if it means more seasons of MGRP.

I don't agree that niche is created by official physical releases being cost prohibitive I mean that it's still a niche form of entertainment due to subject matter and presentation of that subject matter. I don't know anybody who watches as much anime as me, most of my nerd friends only watch stuff I specifically reccomend to them, rarely do they take on a series of their own accord. The biggest news stories in this entertainment sphere, Goblin Slayer, Vic Mahogany, etc. don't even reach those friends of mine who could be considered wester otaku (comics, Video game nerds etc.).

Most people that do watch anime are probably only watching the most popular seasonal stuff or are only watching the shows that desitiguished themselves and rose to the top either due to mass popularity or critical acclaim from the 80s to the 2010s which is at most 50 or so shows.

Neither of those crowds are going to watch everything that comes out in a season, and even fewer are going to spend money on them. We don't need 50+ shows a season when on a small percentage of the people who even watch or care about anime are only going to watch 5-10 of them at most.

>Look at games
Games are the best they've ever been user.

Publishers want and pay for because they see that this is popular with their consumers, this is the whole fucking point of making adaptations, so in the end they DO make what the consumers actually want.

yeah. the new tech and payment mehods has allowed indies to flourish finally giving us a break from the decade of shitty triple A industry

If by variety you mean more flavours of indigestable isekai, then you are right.

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They are at their best and at their worst at the same time

Anime airing per season fluctuate but the truth is that there are always fewer shows airing during a season with a new season of a popular long-running franchise or a major shounen manga adaptation. Nobody wants to compete directly with something like Hero Academia, and the result is usually that those seasons have fewer shows overall, fewer originals, fewer high-budget projects and more simple, straightforward Light Novel or minor manga adaptations instead

Animators who excel at action and combat are the single most valuable labour in the industry. There's never enough of them, and they never have enough time open in their schedule. They constitute a hard limit on the number of action-oriented shows that can air in a season, and the bigger or more ambitious the show's action, the more it consumes the schedules of available talent, so once again you'll see fewer shows in total when certain shows demand more freelance staff (usually high-profile ones).

These sorts of fluctuations are normal, and the numbers through the past year tended towards unusually high simply because of the quantity of low-investment LN adaptations which were neither expensive, technically demanding nor time-consuming to produce but were meeting an exceptionally high demand for. Obviously 40-50 shows per season wasn't going to become the new norm.

That's exactly how things improve user. The more food you eat and the healthier you grow, the more piss and shit you produce. The problem is with categorisation, not what's being produced.

>Anime is better than ever, but I miss the times when anime was better

Not me. I'm aware of everything.

Came here to post this. Fuck adaptions just read the source.

What he meant:
>I believe that the average quality of anime, as well as its variety, is at its best ever, although the quality of the few best ones is inferior.

+ doujinshi, both ero and not.

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People want to watch anime, you know.

The same on that pic is fcuking based

and the makers want you to buy the source material.

Joke's on you, I only watch original anime. And they want me to buy everything related to the show they make and as much as possible since it all goes to their committee which then distributes the profits according to the each party's investment.

When is the next good original anime going to come out?

must be nice to live in alternate ideal world reality where capitalism works

>that means more money will go to fewer anime and the quality will increase!!!!11
How is money supposed to make a shitty writer better
How is money supposed to make a shitty director better

The extra money would help animators but unless your entire problem is with QUALITY then your wishes won't be met

>Sarazanmai
>Carol and Tuesday
Those two are less cashgrab-y and more likely to actually be good than all of 2018 releases

>5 shounen dreadnoughts are still airing (if jojo is considered shounen)
>SAO and Sheildbro will still be airing
>OPM 2, SnK 3.5 and Kimetsu no Yaiba will be starting up
Yeah you make a good point. Not a lot of room for other shows to grab a spot in center stage for the casual masses this season.

How would extra money at the same time help animators and increase quality.
Either you pay them more/reasonably for the same work or you pay more people for the same rates

Kabukichou Sherlock and Fairy Gone have potential to be interesting too, but I know to be weary when dealing with P.A. Works and Production I.G.

Again, that's the whole point of making an adaptation instead of a fully original anime: having an already established fanbase that would watch your show, buy it and tell everyone else to buy it and/or its source material too. And if there's a fanbase then it IS what some people wanted.

considering it's been "late stage capitalism" for atleast 130 years now it's doing fairly fine

OPM 2 is a big deal as well because it's basically huge dumping ground of high-effort freelance work. Part of the reason it took so long for the second season to even come together was because of how many schedules they needed to wait for openings on in order to produce it. It's kind of an exceptional case because it's more of a collective industry art-house of action animation rather than a single-interest for-profit series.

But yeah, next season is loaded with the stuff nobody wants to compete with, with a lot of money backing each project. It's no wonder there are fewer shows airing next to them.

This thread is full of retards as usual. Allowing Naruto and DBS really fucked the board in an unfuckable way.

You know what has very few shows each year and the animators get paid with lavish wages? The fucking American industry. That shit is so gross that there are several cartoons that pretend to be anime just to get away from the association. Enjoy the Steven Universe fuckers.

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The anime people consider quality is absolutely garbage. I enjoy niche anime not shonen jump shit.

What about having more animators and not overwork them to death?

This.

>Probably it would have to involve a few studios going out of business.
This is a pretty big part of it - splitting studios keeps spreading talented people out, and the shit pay means you aren't going to be able to attract and develop human capaital quickly. Or at all.

>Fewer anime being made would not mean that each one gets a bigger slice of the available funding (or other resources like time or manpower
It actually does for the time and manpower part. There aren't that many good freelance animators in the industry but they are overworked, yet cannot work on everything.
A very good example is Index III who got a nosedive in animation quality for various reasons, one of them being the tight schedule and its usual freelance animators being unavailable for that schedule.

>hurr durr i got BTFO better call him a troll

Splitting studios is the natural progress of the Industry. Most of the major studios today split from other studios in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. Large studios are able to use their finances and manpower to develop entire teams of talent that become comfortable working together and begin to come into their own creatively, then they split off and start their own studio where they have more creative freedom. The successful splinters grow and eventually cultivate their own fresh talents and the cycle repeats.

Though talented animators almost always work either as freelancers entirely, or have their studio employer network additional freelance work for them. The talent in the industry is only ever spread thin by the workload and demand for more anime, not by its internal business politics. Nobody would work as an animator for the wages they make if it wasn't as grassroots of an industry as it is.

If anything it will mean that less quality is put out because the garbage finances itself. More isekai/harem/kirara/idol less "deep" shit.

There's no such thing as niche anime. All seasonal anime airs on TV. Just because people don't want to watch them doesn't mean they're niche.

t. braneltes

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Finally an Optomistic comment about OPM 2. You sound like you've actually done a bit of research about it too.

This. The people saying we need less anime but more quality are probably the same people who watch less than five series per season, and think it's an AMAZING season whenever more than three or four normalfag blockbusters like SNK or OPM drop at once.

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the casual shounenbabies

Based

Spring always has a slump in series. It's really not that odd.

>less good shit
>would it matter
Yes.

there's more shounenshit than anything niche next season so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

>Remakes. LOTS of remakes of old stuff.
You mean sequels and revivals of old stuff. Also science fiction make an huge comeback soon.

>Remakes. LOTS of remakes of old stuff.
You forgot sequels too.

Yuri romances will be the next big thing after Isekai.

Spring 2019 is literally the worst anime season I have ever seen in my life, the only things I'm interested in watching are three gag short spinoffs.

>1 in 4 studios are losing money.
Those without talent should know their place

Fixed it for you user

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Is this loss?

Gun Gale Online is like the nearest prediction someone could have made of modern BR games at the time.

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the market wasn't sustainable with that number of shows being produced

I'd say Btooom! was
Btooom! was good

What do you mean?

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>Yuri romances will be the next big thing
/u/ always says that.

There are more yuri romances coming out every year.

>/u/ always says that.
and they're always right.

We've had 3 seasons back to back of /ll/ which gives a least a bit of credit to the idea.

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yuri is disgusting and unchristian

Yeah but thinking they'll become as big as isekai or battle harems is kinda dumb.

>Anime dies
>Fan made market grows again
>Fans start making anime
>We all live happily ever after.
Sounds good to me.

>Are we in trouble?
No.
>What does it mean
Nothing.
>quality
Who gives a shit. It's more important that new shows are more entertaining than "good" by whatever standards you use to determine quality.

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male homosexuality is worse yes but lesbianism is also a sin

The same one since Harmagedon, selling the source material.

Quality > quantity

remember children

>reducing quantity automatically increases quality
speaking of children

>fan says
this is why misinformation and psyops is so effective on you mentally underdeveloped children.

Manga has a wide demographic, so that's ok, anime only appeals to 18-25yo NEETs, if you have a job you literally won't have time to consume any media other than manga or mobage.

What a horrible thread
You should all be ashamed

Just watch ESPN

>"Too much anime"?

Contrary to popular belief, you are not required to watch every anime. Just like you aren't required to watch every movie, or read every book.

>or read every book.
But how else are you supposed to keep the Index Librorum Prohibitorum updated?
This is literally why it was abolished in 65

Christianity is disgusting and unromantic. :^)

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Kill yourselves Yea Forumsermin.
You retards who don’t even watch anime are infesting this place too much.

board went to shit when Marineford happened.