How much value do you put into visual direction?
How much value do you put into visual direction?
Jeremiah Wright
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Carter Butler
An obscene amount!
Matthew Sanchez
Art.
Childish amusement.
Nolan Gomez
Visuals > story
/thread
Jose Walker
Did you screenshot that through a foggy glass?
Anthony Reed
Do you lurk the board all day waiting for a chance to shitpost with VEG? Jesus Christ.
Zachary Davis
VEG looks amazing.
Andrew Moore
Incredible! AOTD if I dare say so.
Eli Scott
A bit.
Parker Lopez
So many of the shots in these are completely unremarkable.
Jaxon Nelson
Looks amazing. Takemoto is a great director.
Looks like shit. Ishidate couldn't direct his way out of a paperbag and should just go back to animating, like Kigami before him.
Aaron Wilson
None whatsoever. It's just anime.
Easton Nguyen
Terrible.
Jayden Murphy
Why do you keep ruining these with these insipid shots?
Wyatt Howard
>dude wide shot lmao
Yikes.
Zachary Roberts
Josiah Jenkins
>dude dime a dozen close ups with no noteworthy composition, coloring or detail lmao
YIKES
Carson Anderson
Ayden Rogers
Dishonest Directing
Zachary Hill
A lot but everything in this thread is fucking terrible except for
Aiden Flores
Wonder who's behind this post.
Angel Clark
Someone with taste who doesn't think that Shaft and KyoAnus are good studios
Angel Nelson
>Someone with taste
Not an argument, imbecile. And you're clearly lying, too.
Austin Rogers
Pedo apologist.
Sebastian Gomez
Furuhashi isn't the Kenshin mangaka
Parker White
Zero (0). Well anime is a medium for storytelling. Visuals can only take you so far. Sticking around for 12+ episodes is a lot harder when the plot is predictable garbage like VEG's. If you only consume anime for the visuals why don't you just go to sakugabooru and watch the webms?
Christian Adams
Fucking ugly and bad
Based
Brayden Reyes
>Well anime is a medium for storytelling.
>If you only consume anime for the visuals why don't you just go to sakugabooru and watch the webms?
Imagine being this retarded.
Luis Nelson
This makes even less sense than the plotfags one.
Noah Lopez
I seriously hope you aren't the imbecile who always begs for this OVA to get subbed. Otherwise this would be bloody hilarious, given how terrible this grid looks and how the entire OVA has maybe a handful of well animated sequences despite being 10+ hours in length.
Grayson Powell
>all these plebs
Jaxon James
Unfortunately the medium doesn't have more than a handful of writers capable of writing something carried by its substance.
Charles Reyes
I think its Requiem for the Ishin Patriots. Either that or one of the Kenshin OVAs.
Samuel Howard
>i took one film class in college and can now recognize common directorial techniques everyone uses
Gabriel Gray
>common directorial techniques everyone uses
Which account for 100% of what you'll see in animation. Your point?
James Martinez
Justin Ward
based sexual undertones
Nathan Stewart
If an anime has a garbage visual direction, you might as well drop it then.
William Bennett
Tacky as fuck.
Grayson Gonzalez
Okay kiddo, keep enjoying your modern seasonal garbage.
Hudson Gutierrez
Cameron Martinez
One hundled yen.
Ryder Smith
Visual direction is important and can add tremendous value to any graphic production.
Dumb hipster shit is not good visual direction though.
Angel Flores
This
Looks infinitely better than
This
Computer effects fucking ruin everything.
Aaron Harris
it's still hand-drawn you dingus, the thing you probably dislike is the digital coloring
Julian Scott
James Sullivan
That doesn't contradict anything he said. The coloring for HxH looked ugly as sin.
Liam Sullivan
If you truly think that it looks ugly, then you probably hate all of modern anime. Can't really blame you though, since I also prefer cels over digital animation.
Daniel Carter
I do dislike the visuals of most modern anime, but the colouring in the later parts of HxH 2011 looked awful, even by modern anime standards.
Eli Turner
Alot.
An anime has many jobs to do, but if it's an adaptation, visual direction is so fucking important.
Pic related.
Grayson Fisher
what's that pic trying to convey?
Luis Edwards
Both of those look like shit. The coloured version of JoJo is terrible, and I have no idea how anyone could think the dull grey colours of the top image could look good.
Eli Wilson
A lot, just below heart and themes.
>Anachronistic, dishonest garbage
No thanks.
Chase Ortiz
Ryder Mitchell
there's no direction in david production's jojo adaptation. it's just monkey see monkey do from the manga, and believe it or not, individual illustrations are a lot different than animation
Jose Fisher
Kaiba's plot went to pot around the halfway mark, but goddamn if it isn't gorgeous to look at. I wish more shows went wild with their artstyles.
Joshua Barnes
All of it.
Andrew Watson
Not really, some individual episodes are nicely directed. But the studio clearly can't sustain 39 episodes productions, so the majority end up looking like lazy shit.
Joseph Nelson
Gavin Nelson
This looks like dogshit.
Where's the vibrant colour?
Might as well just do it in live action.
Jace Evans
What are talking about. The frames in that pic are mostly super saturated
Ryan Scott
>Where's the vibrant colour?
Absolutely yikes. Where are my oversaturated colors guys? I need my stimulation!
Chase James
T
Anthony Howard
I came back to this board after 11 years and I get assaulted with your dogshit taste.
Fuck off. Trying to put Jin-Roh and Hellsing on the same chart. Get out of here YES YOU BAITED ME.
what a dogshit board I'm going back to the deepweb where they have good anime
Isaiah Clark
>modern seasonal garbage
That's literally what Nu-HxH is. 1999 had much better visual direction.
Andrew Flores
>back to the deepweb where they have good anime
Yikes.
Gavin Ward
Jace Anderson
go take some LSD you fucking zoomer.
>Yikes.
sorry. Forgot you need to use /s on reddit to convey sarcasm.
Xavier Anderson
Lincoln Gray
Justin Lee
Christian Powell
Andrew Rivera
>AOTD
Anime of the Day? Sure, why not ...
Ryan Myers
>show with the most gorgeous landscapes ever drawn
>fills the grid with close ups of Casshern
Jesus fuck
Josiah Ortiz
Jackson Murphy
Dylan Ortiz
Jeremiah Johnson
>most gorgeous landscapes ever drawn
Your standards are very, very low.
Angel Green
>cgi
no
you're fucking killing me dude
pretty good but it has nothing on Angel's Egg's backgrounds
Nathan Richardson
>it has nothing on Angel's Egg's backgrounds
Not sure how to respond to this cringe post. Tenshi no Tamago isn't even among Kobayashi's Top 3. Time to dump more art.
Brandon Howard
Brandon Miller
Adam Watson
Levi Campbell
Samuel Cruz
Robert Cox
Jackson Foster
Nicholas Parker
>cringe
>posts naruto, made in 2010+ with digital assistance.
I'm too old.
Justin Foster
Guess if I were to post Snow White you'd think of that to be fine, despite a third of the sequences being traced.
Josiah Stewart
were they traced by a computer?
I don't care about Disney shit. CGI has ruined anime and you know it. Almost every seasonal show has computer rendered garbage in it.
Chase Cooper
Looks like soulless garbage
Grayson Roberts
>CGI has ruined anime and you know it
I look at IM@S and I see a show more impressively animated than 98% of all TV anime and with more hearth than 99.9%. And it uses 3D rendered models that the animators drew over, same way Occultic 9 does. So no, CG hasn't ruined animation because if CG is used well it's an incredibly powerful tool that makes it possible for well animated sequences to even exist in TV animation. The tool being misused is a different issue, but it's not like pre-2000s anime didn't have their fair share of shit tier tools, e.g. panning shot galore, reused animation, Dezakis shitty twinkle effects to keep the eye busy, moving mouths, one well animated episode followed by 3 budget episodes etc.
Matthew Diaz
If every single anime's CGI looked as good as IM@S's hardly anyone would be complaining.
I'm complaining because I could render higher resolution stuff on a raspberry pi.
It just feels lazy, is all.
Owen Sanchez
Aiden Perez
>Dezakis shitty twinkle effects
Grayson Wood
>panning shots are bad
nice meme, try watching live action sometimes
Adrian Garcia
Based
Hunter Lee
A lot
This can be true on occasion, but it depends.
Carson Johnson
>And it uses 3D rendered models that the animators drew over, same way Occultic 9 does.
Citation needed.
Angel Cook
A lot, which is why I hate trash like kick heart.
Anthony King
>samefagging this hard
Levi Gomez
Caleb Thompson
Captain Earth is shit. Switch it for Ouran Host Club or Sailor Moon SuperS.
Ethan Young
Justin Torres
Robert Price
A child that finally got his hand on crayons, knows nothing of "visual direction". Neither does Yuasa, Shinbo or for that matter absolute majority of anime "directors" who both lack any talent and formal education to a point even "scene composition" is vague words for them.
Here is the only valid example of director that actually knows what he does in this thread:
youtu.be
youtube.com
Too bad, educated and competent anime directors are oxymoron.
Owen Clark
What's the best way to make these grids? I want to make some for shows this season.
Aiden Hall
I liked Fractale too, but you're a jackass. Also, everything in the first two lines of your post is drivel.
Christopher Barnes
Just take some screencaps and paste them together in Paint.
Gabriel Johnson
As opposed to yourself, an user that knows more about visual direction than any other actual visual director in the industry, right?
Eli Bailey
Uninspired and uninspiring.
Liam Diaz
What do you hope to achieve by being so obnoxious?
Jaxon Wood
why are these threads always filled with shitposters bitching at eachother. There's some genuinely great stuff here.
Hunter Flores
He's Enigma Godlike, a notorious russian shitposter, easily recognizable by the utterly broken english.
Today he's pretending to praise Fractale, before it was Hand Shakers and Wizard Barristers.
He tries really hard to be an epic troll, but unfortunately lacks the intelligence to pull it off, not to mention his illiteracy makes his attempts painfully obvious. Pay him no mind.
Samuel Nelson
>before it was Hand Shakers
Spat my fucking drink
Hudson Flores
Literally don't care about visual presentation. I always care about plot, characters and story. If something looks amazing, but has a weak plot, I would drop it. Is something looks like shit, but has a great plot, I'll keep watching.
Ryan Murphy
I posted 90% of the grids and most of them I posted as memes so I am not sure what you're referring to. The Naruto grids of course, but what else?
Isaac Martin
>why are these threads always filled with shitposters bitching at eachother.
It's Yea Forums.
Dominic Barnes
what are these
Grayson Cooper
Dylan Mitchell
Why do you watch anime?
Xavier Thomas
Got bored just looking at this. Hyouka is a sedative.
Dylan Lee
This is beautiful. What anime?
Henry Bennett
>no pic related
>nothing from episode 2
>none of those gorgeous shots of Dune crawling through the crystalline landscape
Questionable image.
Grayson Murphy
Uchouten Kazoku, great show. Based on a Morimi novel.
Blake Garcia
Thank god your kind seems to be dying. Plotfags like you are the biggest brainlets in anime community by far.
Shounan Bakusouzoku
Jace Flores
It looks stunning, definitely going to give it a look.
Camden Davis
many thanks
Aaron Cox
>Thank god your kind seems to be dying
What gives you that idea?
Because I like it. But substance always comes before style. True brainlets are the ones who watch anime for muh pretty colors.
Christian Long
>morons watch visual mediums for visuals
>big brain people like me watch anime for the writing instead of just reading any novel that isn't YA fiction which will be guaranteed to have better characters, story, dialogue, prose, etc.
Joshua White
>that Japanese storyboard credit
Oh shit someone actually saved my image.
Thomas Sullivan
>What gives you that idea?
Because people are starting to realise that the "substance before style" horseshit is completely retarded. A show's art style and visual direction can be just as "substantial" as its plot and characters, and to claim one is more important than the other is completely arbitrary. You THINK you're an elitist who is so much more refined than the "pretty colour" plebs, but to literally anyone else you're a fucking idiot who is too stupid to realise the value that visuals can add to a work. Get with the times, this plotfaggotry shit is dead.
Easton Lee
>plebs who "side" with either style or substance without realizing the necessity of both
Yikes.
Nicholas Torres
If your show doesn't look good, it has no substance. End of argument.
Connor Reed
Wrong.
Christian Hill
Why did Dio have green lipstick?
Jace Cruz
More than manbabies that are easily impressed by saturation and rainbow colors.
Good show but bad grid, that's all just from one episode you fucking idiot.
Sebastian Flores
Not an argument.
Isaac Smith
Substance and style are such meaningless descriptors, I wish people would stop using them. That's part of the reason why the conversation surrounding this stuff is so braindead.
Michael Richardson
Visual Direction != Art Direction.
James Martin
Those terms have no substantive functional difference.
Christian Brooks
As far as anime credits go, "art direction" usually refers to the person in charge of background art.
Matthew Fisher
Then your criticism doesn't really apply to that VEG grid at all.
Eli Collins
It definitely adds to the experience, but it's not nearly as important as characters or the story. I don't necessarily care about specific shots as long as the overall world looks cool and unique like Madoka or Lain.
Carter Cox
That wasn't even me. I was just correcting your claim.
William Brooks
God the backgrounds on that show were shit
Ayden Ward
What show?
Blake Howard
stop posting my grids!!!!!!!
John Hill
Chase Taylor
Nathaniel Lee
Owen Jenkins
Joshua Thompson
Colton Sullivan
if the story and characters are shit
visuals don't matter
just look at the abomination that is VEG
Mason Nguyen
Not saying every background was shit, but the ones I remember were muddied or had palettes I hated. The best ones I remember only really looked average. Column 1, Row 5 feels oversaturated and I don't get the need for the iron gate in the foreground. Same row, two to the right has a nice sky, but then the cityscape beneath it has so much fucking detail in an attention-grabbing palette that if feels like I'm supposed to be looking for something.
Josiah Hall
Elijah Smith
They just don't make them like they used to
Hunter Evans
Dylan Collins
>contrast and saturation = good
This thread was made by a teen.
Brody Young
as usual VEGtards are mentally ill
Carson Bennett
Cooper Morales
Stop projecting you subhuman.
Jayden Rogers
Look at this faggot. He probably likes digital coloring, too. Stop hating art.
Brody Reyes
Xavier Brown
Brandon Morgan
Josiah Robinson
Carter Perez
Soulless
Jack Cruz
these are alright but I much prefer Yuasa's style in Mind Game and Ping Pong, since it feels like it has an actual communicative purpose as opposed to just being nice to look at
makes me want to turn my monitor's gamma down all the way
top tier
feels a lot better in "motion" imo because of the great sense of atmosphere 99 had
these are hideous and I liked Revue's visuals a lot
color palette is a bit too dark in some of these but overall pretty great
okay composition, low quality artwork
I like it
I hate it
the entire second column is a visual manifestation of AIDS
this is pretty shit, center left and bottom right in particular have egregiously bad color composition
this is just a mess
I too like Casshern's character design
none of these are particularly noteworthy, though Bebop does have some stellar compositions elsewhere
It's alright. The splitscreening is great.
disregarding the CG, i'm already sold on the edginess. Show?
Is intentionally picking some of the least interesting frames some form of bait?
Nice
I think these would've benefitted a lot from being less washed out
Yeah, these are blurred to shit. Good coloring though.
pretty good. The landscape shots suck though.
garbage
great. Is there a show more inconsistent than Naruto?
You really captured the artistic spirit of the show with those motion blur shots.
I half-chuckled
Not a fan
Top tier
Not sure if I want to watch it though, I hate Morimi's writing.
pretty lazy composition, putting everything in the center is a good way to make things boring
I hate it
Top tier
vastly inferior to kite's
Ian Cook
>these ratings
>grids with 40% zoomed in facial shots and one with barely anything but backgrounds are "top tier"
Oh no no no no. Thanks for the 20 (You)'s, though. Now I'll be able to pay my rent.
Gavin Turner
Owen Cox
Mason Lopez
Hunter Carter
Jaxon Foster
Carter Sullivan
Parker Smith
none.
Matthew Ward
Noah Sullivan
>Ping Pong
That's Yuasa at his worst. It isn't even possible to make a proper grid of it since like 60% of the show is splitscreens.
Dominic Kelly
Andrew Lewis
Joseph Reyes
Bentley Lee
Connor Fisher
>Rating anime by how well you can make a cinegrid
Aaron Ramirez
Brandon Perry
Austin Brown
Juan Ramirez
That wasn't my point. The split screen abuse is a problem of the show in general. I don't feel like being too harsh on it, since the schedule for Ping Pong was a disaster and that was the only feasible way to mask the lack of animation (also Yuasa storyboarded the entire thing himself, rare and impressive feat), but it needs to be said since so many people seem to consider that show peak Yuasa.
Eli Cook
I hate the character designs and only 3 of the frames are visually striking
I like it a lot, feels kinda like early Shinbo
Shit compositions, shit designs, shit coloring, low quality art, what am I supposed to be getting from this?
Top tier
It's okay
Berserk 97 has a lot of amazing artwork, but your pics are consistently pretty shit and it doesn't help that you made the image as blurry as possible
Shit
don't worry, I'm just doing this out of boredom
shit except the one directly below the title card and in the bottom left
pretty great actually
Don't know how to feel. I guess I like it.
Half of these are stellar and half are awful
Very good
Pretty good. Show?
I like it
Takarajima is very overrated and the visuals are no exception
Visuals don't just boil down to how good the show looks in stills
Top half is stellar, bottom half is garbage
Good
Very good, but seriously lacking in clarity
Very good
Flip Flappers had a lot of great shots but only like 3 or 4 of these ones qualify
I like it
Not a fan
Ryan Ortiz
>don't worry, I'm just doing this out of boredom
Don't forget the
>I don't have a clue what I am talking about. I am merely spitballing teehee~~
We don't want to give people the wrong impression.
Luis Sanchez
>Visuals don't just boil down to how good the show looks in stills
But Ping Pong is Yuasa's least animated show. Also see And again, I like it, but let's not exaggerate with the praise.
Jaxon Myers
I think I do know what I'm talking about, though I acknowledge people rarely assess their own abilities correctly
I'm not exaggerating with the praise, I just said I prefer it and Mind Game's more communicative style to his more recent stuff. Mind Game is Yuasa's best imo.
Hunter James
You really, really don't. It was apparent after the first post, and has become even more apparent now. Don't feel bad about it.
Luke King
I don't really see the problem with the use of split-screens. I thought it was effective and interesting. I do agree that Ping Pong's not really Yuasa's best though.
Jack Martinez
Plenty. It's the most important aspect of the show.
First post best post.
Owen Harris
I think you've got those backwards mate. Lazy, crude shit isn't art.
Nolan Sanders
Looks good. Evergarden is much better though, CG lighting aside.
Jose Thompson
This.
Brayden Johnson
Your existence is an abomination. Evergarden has great characters.
Thomas Campbell
Almost nothing, I care a ton more for story than visuals. If something with a good story has good visuals, then that is fantastic. The last time I got a recommendation from one of these shit visual threads it was Kara no Kanata and I fucking hated it.
Elijah Myers
This doesn't seem like an healthy way to live your life.
Colton Morgan
Will make a better grid sometime.
Caleb Bennett
Which one of the posters are you so I can determine whether or not I should hold my breath.
James Wright
This was my first post
Jack Williams
Neither does this;
Blake Evans
>zoomer
>yikes
Go back.
Charles Gray
This thread is pretty close to a Yea Forums tier thread without those comments.
Adrian Perry
Would almost agree, but Jin Roh was kino
Asher Brown
Sorry, I don't really see the relation between several people commenting on a grid over the course of 20 hours and you going through the entire thread to find any comment about VEG (or even not about VEG, but you'll mention VEG in your post) the moment you step in. Must be hard livinhg with such an obsession.
David Sanders
>several people
>pretends to be a retarded newfag
oh you
Michael Adams
>reused animation is bad
Fuck off. I'll take it over 3dcg shit any day of the week.
Juan Young
>Must be hard living with such an obsession.
Yea it must be hard, KHK. How do you do it?
Jayden Nelson
So you claim those 8 posts over the course of 20 hours to be made by the same person? On what basis?
I hope you won't claim those 4 posts roughly one minute apart to not be yours next.
Aiden Hill
Not him but I posted 90% of the grids in this thread over the course of 20 hours, so it sure as hell isn't impossible.
Asher Sanders
>So you claim those 8 posts over the course of 20 hours to be made by the same person? On what basis?
>implying this isn't his routine
>I hope you won't claim those 4 posts roughly one minute apart to not be yours next.
They are mine and they are in good faith.
Nathan Adams
I have no idea who that is.
What routine? 2 of the posts you quoted after entering the thread aren't even about VEG. You seem the obsessed one.
Dylan Jones
>You seem the obsessed one.
>says the faggot who keeps replying to this chain
Have some self awareness.
Samuel Butler
Substance is not just the script. Visuals can also be substance but pretty colors for the sake of pretty colors are not substance.
Mason Cox
>but pretty colors for the sake of pretty colors are not substance
not him, but what if that is an essential piece of the art? Art is traditionally meant to be beautiful and I would say plot is the enemy of cinema. Content is secondary to formalism.
Camden Taylor
So now I'm obsessed because I reply to someone who quotes my post and then accuses me of samefagging for no reason? Okay.
Asher Davis
>oversaturation
>limited color palette
>details non-existent in the close up shot
>CG water
And that ugly looking filter is just the cherry on the top. Never post this shit again, this is an insult to modern anime itself.
Blake Stewart
Sebastian Robinson
Please don't talk to me, newfag. Go build a tent with the retard who thinks that littering your grid with zoomed in facial shots or backgrounds is a good thing to do.
Brayden Garcia
>oversaturation
You don't know what saturation means.
>details non-existent in the close up shot
You can't pretend to be blind. There's lots of detail in the hair and with little scratches on the plaster.
>modern anime
What the fuck is this supposed to mean? Modern anime is all shit and this is the best of it.
Jack Edwards
>praises a garbage show like VEG
>calls others newfag
Oh kiddo, you got a long way to go.
Thomas Ramirez
>it's garbage because i say it is
not him, fuck off. It's easily the best modern anime.
Zachary Brooks
You could argue then that a picture of a pretty sunset is better than any Picasso but that is not the accepted mentality for approaching art. Obviously beauty is about more that just being pleasing to the eye or ear etc. Art is not about invoking pleasant sensations but rather is a meaningful spiritual experience.
Also saying something like "Film and animation are visual media" is disingenuous since it automatically dismisses all other components. Why does they even exist then? In addition narrative is not just the words that are being spoken, visuals are also integral for narrative. Narrative is just the subject of the work and not a medium. Also a work that lacks narrative still has a subject. The subject of the work is not only contained in the spoken or written words but in all of its elements.
Alexander Sanders
Saying "plot is the enemy of cinema" is just absurd, at best an undefensible statement of your own personal values.
Hudson Murphy
Plot is not inherently evil but the excessive focus facts or sequences of events might often obscure the general idea what is being narrated.
Blake Jones
You can likewise extend that to an obsessive focus on [any one thing], I think you've taken a very general statement and applied it so that it fits your specific worldview.
Jeremiah Jenkins
>but that is not the accepted mentality for approaching art
This is just an appeal to authority. Art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.
>Also saying something like "Film and animation are visual media" is disingenuous since it automatically dismisses all other components.
It isn't disingenuous. Animation is a generic subset of visual media.
>Why does they even exist then?
For the sake of art, business etc..
Wyatt Adams
>You can likewise extend that to an obsessive focus on [any one thing]
Like for example?
The problem is not obsessive focus. In fact obsession has certain spiritual dimensions. The problem is that the focus on the trivial rather than the transcendental is pedestrian and inartistic.
Kayden Allen
This post is disingenuous.
Ryder Campbell
>deflecting
Wyatt Hughes
Similar to what I said earlier, your assertions of what is or is not trivial or transcendental is undefensible.
Leo Lee
I am not even part of this conversation but comparing animation to live action film makes you look like a complete moron. They are entirely different media with entirely different possibilities. The process of shooting and editing a live action films makes it a million times easier to be perfect from a cinematographic and artistic standpoint. If you seriously think that some mongrel live action director, who can shoot 20hrs worth of footage of which they then dismiss the worst 18.5, is comprable to an animation director who is forced to work with actual foresight while being essentially chained to storyboards and script, then I have my doubts for you to sport an IQ above room temperature. Your post reaks of a lack of appreciation for what animation is actually about: animation.
Camden Rivera
>Similar to what I said earlier
It is not similar to what you said earlier at all.
In any case I have made no assertions about what is trivial and what is transcendental. Just that the transcendental is more valuable from artistic perspective than the trivial.
Kevin Cooper
cool story bro
Hunter Long
Are you not arguing that "plot" and "content" are trivial?
Colton Long
>shitting on artstyle/character design
absolute pleb-tier analysis, here user. sad!
all i can see is that you REALLY dislike Rintaro.
Caleb Howard
How many times do I have to tell you, Utena has one of the largest amount of substance in anime even Yea Forums likes it. It takes the same sort of techniques that art-films have, and there is actual philosophical meaning behind all the symbolism.
Evan Bell
are you suggesting that artstyle and character design are not fair game for criticism?
Ian Garcia
>even Yea Forums likes it
If anything that's an argument against it. What year do you live in? Yea Forums has been a teen board for the past 5+ years.
Jaxson Perry
What do expect from the retard who also thinks K-On is "all style, no substance"? It's obviously a bait image.
Daniel Brown
it's definitely not when there's literal stylization at play
Jose Wright
In the first place content is not always plot. Second I am not arguing that plot is trivial. I am saying that facts and sequences of events are trivial which I think is in consistence with their definition. These facts and sequences of events still might convey meaning to a different degree. I am not saying that more plot=less meaning. Rather I am talking about a signal to noise ratio. Some narratives concentrate more on the noise.
Michael James
Owen Peterson
David Cook
Just don't ever say "plot is the enemy of cinema, content is secondary to formalism" ever again
Landon Ortiz
Ryder Brown
Angel Thomas
This could have been done much better. Why are there no shots from her as an adult? Many of these aren't particularly interesting compositions, despite this being an incredibly well composed film.
Leo Ortiz
William Morgan
fuck off nigger, I only made it of the child scenes because I wanted to.
Noah Reyes
Cameron Rodriguez
>writes a paragraph of garbage because he's unable to refute any of the aforementioned points
sad
>They are entirely different media with entirely different possibilities.
This statement is literally false. They're not "entirely" different. You were told that animation is just a generic subset of visual media, as is live action, as are comic books.
Cooper Jenkins
It was not me. I was just playing devil's advocate.
Dominic Russell
Maybe I should start filtering the term "compositions", given how this mongrel uses it as a buzzword in an attempt to appear knowledgeable or smart. Very tiresome thread. Wonder if he's this guy
Kevin Gutierrez
Ethan Russell
Clarify that beforehand next time
Gabriel Diaz
Jayden Anderson
sorry, you're a bit too big brained for me, are you: arguing that a style that differs that differs from a hypothetical "normal anime" is automatically uncriticisable? ; suggesting that stylization is somehow not implicit in the word "artstyle"?
Camden Jackson
Well, you did a crap job. I don't even know why you included these shots.
Isaac Gutierrez
i'm saying you're a fucking retard who has shit taste, ok buddy?
Jack Torres
not him, stylisation is always at play. Typically whether it's good or not can be ascertained by reviewing how good it is at expressing what it's meant to.
Levi Robinson
because I like the way they look?????????
that's the whole point of these grids.
Caleb Rivera
You are a mega-retard
Lincoln Jones
I just feel like you could've done better.
Kevin Martin
Going back to this
>I think I do know what I'm talking about
You've just provided another example that you actually don't know shit, or otherwise you'd have crossed out like 4 more.
Dylan Garcia
But I literally do not care what you think
Adam Clark
>No mention of Soultaker
The absolute state of Yea Forums
Samuel Rivera
>You've just provided another example that you actually don't know shit
Are you confusing me with someone else? I've barely posted in this thread. I am only talking about this film.
>you'd have crossed out like 4 more.
Like it matters.
Charles Wright
>I don't even know why you included these shots.
Because loli.
Christopher Gomez
She looks like a retard. How could anyone find this character attractive?
Isaac Phillips
give up user, you are talking to a retarded pedo with no artistic sense or knowledge of scene composition, you know like miyazaki.
Tyler Ross
aesthetic is narrative
Lucas Howard
>pedo
wow, stop projecting sexuality onto completely non sexual scene. fucking psychopath freak.
Grayson Scott
toof course.
Cameron Smith
Probably not being gay helps.
Nathan Bailey
>I think I do know what I'm talking about
was me, not that guy
Though I'm a little interested as to why you've started a tirade against me. Did you take some of my shit-talking as a personal attack or something?
Thomas Fisher
Embarrassing
Carter Parker
>non-sexual scene
>1x2 is a naked character
>1x3 has a character show them their dick
>2x3 is her asking of her neighbor wants to fuck
>2x5 happens directly after 1x3 and the guy asking her if she wants to touch it
>2x2 is a metaphor for the removal of her hymen
>3x3 has phallus symbolysm written all over it
Yikes user. I know you're trying really hard to not come off as a pedophile but really, this grid reeks of child molestation and intercourse.
Jace Ross
Alexander Miller
Thanks for the star but I am not jewish, so not sure what to do with it.
This is a serious issue, user. You can be yourself around here. No need to hide it.
John Sullivan
jesus christ, you really are sick in the head. seek help if you honestly immediately thought this after looking at that grid.
Zachary Morgan
Please stay away from children, user.
Lincoln James
based, pedos btfo
Gabriel Lee
>implying anyone's seen it
Wyatt Anderson
You guys can't be this stupid right? You clearly have nothing intelligent to say in regards to it. Objectively speaking it's far better at expressing itself than most TV Anime are. It is a production of the highest quality. It's near perfect and this is undeniable. The visuals in Violet Evergarden have more substance than any other TV Anime. This is as good as it gets.
Joseph Cooper
All of it.
Dylan Walker
You make it really hard to take your side, you realize that, right? Can't you simply insult the clown who says that the shots are oversaturated and be done with it? The bit about substance really puts me off, especially given the fact that there are dozens of shows with more noteworthy and meticulously integrated symbolism.
Daniel Gray
The VEGfag is flaseflagging to make people hate the show, right?
Nobody can really be this obnoxious and delusional.
Zachary Ortiz
>[person on Yea Forums] is falseflagging
Yes
Aaron Cox
I'm always honest to a fault.
Dylan Bailey
You mean like the Tominofag who thinks that zoomed in facial shots are good, while effectively spamming his buzzword(s)? I think you underestimate the amount of ego some people on this board sport, especially those with no clue what they are talking about. Just look at this thread. Person A calls anything with actual colors "oversaturated", person B labels anything that lacks a vast palette as "boring". Why is the VEGfag not allowed to be a cultist when everybody else is? Try to be a bit more consistent, user. You're being way too biased and it shows.
Blake Lopez
Personally I dislike Tomino so I didn't really bother reading what he said.
Nathaniel Russell
Definition of a hidden gem.
Noah Anderson
>zoomed in facial shots
Stop including them as 40% of your grids if you think they're bad
Anthony Carter
So hidden. I had to dig for days.
Dominic Harris
I think this was fine as a short film. And a great one it was, god I really miss this side of Yuasa. I have a lot of trouble embracing his newer works.
Samuel Collins
Manga or anime bros?
Hunter Roberts
>your grids
Yikes, user. I made 5 grids that were posted here. The rest I simply dumped. I wouldn't make these godawful G-Reco or Vampire Hunter D grids, don't worry.
Didn't read the manga but the anime is fairly pretty and well animated so I don't see how the manga could possibly be better for the content it adapts.
Charles Perry
Cool.
Gavin Miller
Both. Christ, that last chapter though. Wasn't Next a thing or am I remembering bullshit?
Charles Smith
I wanted to post Manabi Straight but I couldn't find my screencaps.
Both are great, but I will never not feel sad that only 15 chapters were adapted.
Christian Hughes
The manga is quite bad I thought, ironically enough I find the anime's lack of an ending to be a far better conclusion than whatever the hell the manga was.
Jaxson Richardson
>You make it really hard to take your side, you realize that, right?
Sorry, I don't realise. I'm simply trying to be reasonable. What am i doing that's wrong? I bet i'm going to get trolled for writing this post.
>The bit about substance really puts me off, especially given the fact that there are dozens of shows with more noteworthy and meticulously integrated symbolism.
What I meant by that was the extensive detail, the application multiple shading tones.(there's plenty to read into, it's well defined, even to lots of little scratches) OVA tier production values. The art is very good at expressing artefacts from the novel. I hate the fucking retards that just bitch about the cgi after effects and don't take into account all these other elements. It's unreasonable to expect a show to be utterly flawless. There's so much here that typical tv productions just wouldn't bother with that calling it "soulless garbage" or "an insult to modern anime itself" is a crime against humanity.
Grayson Morgan
Ryder Price
>"an insult to modern anime itself"
Plot and character wise it's spot on, it's one fucking terrible episodic series.
Dylan Collins
Revue Starlight looked amazing but you're not doing it justice with this.
Kayden Anderson
Ishidate is by far the most incompetent director that has ever been given a project of this magnitude.
Brayden Murphy
I disagree on the Princess and the Ann episode but still isn't this thread about visual direction?
Chase Foster
Not him but what makes Ishidate incompetent, do you think?
Kevin Bell
Bringing the "environment reflecting tone" to tv anime was a good idea.
Lincoln Rodriguez
That would be Goro Miyazaki with Earthsea, but Ishidate sucks too.
Robert Barnes
>Miyazaki_at_Dear_my_Sister_screening.jpg
Hunter Jackson
Didn't read the manga but the anime ending was actually amazing in my opinion
Kumi dying in the end credits
was very unique and worked perfectly with the shows weird atmosphere
Liam Williams
Jeremiah Phillips
What show?
Michael Sanchez
all these animes are fucking soulless (except the old ones)
Jaxon Sullivan
Other than going overboard with cg effects and greenlighting the editing, what did he do wrong?
Austin Hall
That's rich coming from a huntermumbler.
Robert Powell
>animes
>fucking soulless
>trying to make "nostalgiafags" look bad
You're worse and your bait is shit.
Chase Nelson
>trying to make "nostalgiafags" look bad
Sometimes you should simply take posts at face value. Pay a visit to pre2000's threads every now and then and you'll realize that this post is very much genuine.
Isaiah Martin
this is terrible
Chase Thompson
The Wire doesn't need to be pretty to be far better than a show like Patrick Melrose.
Isaac Wright
K
Hudson Gomez
I like pretty anime as much as the next guy but why do you guys have to masturbate over them as well? can't you enjoy something for what it is then move on?
Jaxon Moore
Why are you so insecure? It genuinely looks bad.
Cooper Fisher
I said ok
Ryan Foster
Wow you're trying really hard to pick a fight
Caleb Edwards
Stop samefagging, you underage faggot.
Ethan Jenkins
a lot, although I'm probably thinking more about pacing it so it's actually animated and not a slog of panning shots and dialogue
Sebastian Thompson
>Pay a visit to pre2000's threads every now and then and you'll realize that this post is very much genuine.
I do go to them every now and then. I used to think nostalgiatards were cancer but anti-nostalgiatards are considerably worse. I hate these fuckers that cherrypick QUALITY scenes from old anime and use that shit to defend even the worse modern garbage. I've had it with these assholes.
Isaiah Jones
Thomas White
Fucking hell, this show is terrible. I wasn't expecting much after seeing who directed it, but this worse than I expected. How did he manage to use to few colors yet still make it feel all over the place?
Austin Scott
Kinda looks like The Reflection.
Tyler Adams
Imagine thinking like this.
Benjamin Anderson
He's right though.
Wyatt Gomez
Is there something wrong with the way he thinks? He's clearly the most well-minded user here.
Angel Baker
This.
Easton Ward
meant for
Nicholas Thompson
Samefag.
Brody Mitchell
what the fuck?
Benjamin Barnes
why did you reply to yourself?
Cooper Wright
Stop pretending to be me, faggot.
Jonathan Anderson
Uhm, guys?
Cooper Bell
This was Imaishi's episode, right? Not bad considering how early into his directorial career it was.
What? Speak English please.
I didn't watch it since I'm not in love with Nagahama's style or Marvel but you've piqued my interest. Sell me on it.
Michael King
>Not bad considering how early into his directorial career it was.
For me it's still the best single thing he directed. It manages to fill every single moment of runtime with visual ideas and the sense of flow is unmatched, which have always been his main goals. Stills don't really make it justice despite the usual striking layouts, colors and poses. It puts to shame the other 2 OVAs (obvious for the second directed by the Overlord guy, not as much for the last directed by Masayuki).
Jace Morgan
Why are you like this
James Ortiz
My wife is so beautiful even when she is in hospital.
Robert Young
>It puts to shame the other 2 OVAs (obvious for the second directed by the Overlord guy etc.)
I completely agree Imaishi's episode was fantastic and episode 2 was a fucking slog compared to the rest. On another note I feel like Imaishi's best suited for shorter anime (my favourite work of his is actually Sex and Violence with Machspeed) because he always seems to blow his whole proverbial load all at the beginning which I think was especially evident in Kill la Kill's subpar second cour. In that regard though I'm cautiously optimistic to see how Promare will turn out.
Oliver Hill
I can't imagine Imaishi's style will work well in 3DCG at all. I probably won't even watch Promare.
Noah Brown
So I assume you haven't seen Panty & Stocking? That's still the gold standard for CGI in anime.
Nathaniel Jenkins
Nope
Jack Sullivan
Time to do something about that then.
Christian Scott
Actually, for all my gripes with TTGL the 3DCG in that show manages to blend almost seamlessly with the 2D animation.
Jeremiah Ortiz
To be honest, I'm not super interested in it
Colton Nelson
I really like TTGL, and yes it has 3DCG but there's a huge difference between what was done in that show compared to what we're seeing in Promare.
Nathan Davis
You could at least watch the segment Chuck to the Future Part 2, as it's the one that is fully CGI.
Or don't, just watch whatever you you want. What do I care.
Aiden Nelson
No, I'll make a note of that, thanks
Jacob Torres
Yeah, there's obviously quite a big gap between the amount of 3DCG in TTGL and in Promare but if you want proof that CG can work with high-energy directing styles look no further than Etotama and Kawamori anime
Ayden Rivera
>That's still the gold standard for CGI in anime.
I'd disagree. That's still used for stuff they can't afford to hand draw, it's still being used to replace traditional animation there. I would say the best is stuff like the Magic Circles from Konosuba or the barrier effects that the Nase's use in Kyoukai.
Kevin Reed
the cg in etotama may be nice but fuck me the rest of it is complete shit
Jacob Robinson
I know. I wish it weren't.
Cooper Thomas
I've seen the latest Macross and while I agree you can still get high-energy and 3D in the same scene, I feel Imaishi brings a very particular brand of dynamism to the table, very pose heavy with wild perspectives. Like Kanada in the 70s. Like, just try and imagine his cut on FLCL 4 as anything but hand-drawn
Luis Russell
>That's still used for stuff they can't afford to hand draw
See There is no such thing in anime (or even in traditional western animation) as something comparable to that segment done with handdrawn animation. It simply can't be done without resources that would exceed even Akira's (let alone for a full movie).
Nathaniel Perry
You're probably right but we shall see what we shall see.
John Martin
None.
Samuel Roberts
kuso plotfag