Misconceptions/false predictions when reading/watching?
For me I thought Echoes Act 3's ability was going to be rhyming to make special effects happen.
Thought Part 5 was gonna be the sons of Dio all being gang leaders in Italy with Giorno taking them over one by one.
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i thought doppio was the original
I thought s2 of SDC was going to be all about fighting DIO.
I thought part 5 would have a final boss fight and conclusion
I was horribly mistaken
he was
>that crushing feeling when you realize it's gonna be 20 more episodes of meme villains and poop jokes
I thought that part 6 was going to make sense and Jotaro would have a fitting death. I also thought Wekapipo shot Johnny but now im not sure.
He was always 2 people. There was only ever "just" Doppio when when Doppio went into Bruno's body, and Diavolo into Trish's
Additionally, Boss' body stayed in the Diavolo form (later inhabited by Bruno's soul) after the soul swap because that's the form he fell asleep in
>For me I thought Echoes Act 3's ability was going to be rhyming to make special effects happen
I think it was supposed to be but Araraki never did anything with it but "Three Freeze".
When does Part 5 get good? I hate all the characters so far especially the stands and this crazy story
Thought Giorno would actually have a flashy personality and would have him meet Dio at some point or stop time or some shit
Thought part 8 was gonna be a kancolle with Stands because of the sailor clothes, and I honestly wish it was
I thought this thread would be good, I was wrong.
Metallica and maybe the secco and cioccolata are only enemies left for coherent fights. The final fight just becomes a dumb mess
I was fucking certain that Valentine was a red herring and that someone else would be the main antagonist.
why is it not friday yet
NEW OP THIS WEEK
NEW OP AAAAAHHHHH
I thought stardust crusaders took place in space.
I saw the first 4 openings before watching the series.
>thought that caeser and joseph were jonathan and dio
>thought that oldseph was actually old jonathan
>thought that jotaro was the main character of the series after part 3
Just drop jojo and never watch it again.
i thought giorno had 2 legs.
i was wrong
ah fuck, forgot image
I rewatched BT once with a friend who had never seen it. During the OP, she asked when Joseph would get a headband to match Caesar's.
I thought Narancia would be a girl
I thought part 6 would be good and end up as my favorite part
I thought Stephen Steel is a pedo bad guy.
Nobody knows who shot Johnny because that arc literally makes no sense, just like most first uses of main villain stands
>Polnareff teleporting, unless you accept the headcanon that Dio is an epic prankster that carried people around and ran back to his original pose while time was stopped
>Hayato having future sight in Rohan’s book to allude to the timeloop despite it being his first time experiencing the events (if he had looped before he would have remembered looping, making this make no sense)
>Bruno seeing his future self
>Whitesnake’s weird ass illusion goop bullshit
It’s all just done to create mystery around what the Stand might be and confuse the reader, it never makes sense in hindsight
I thought the big bad of Part 6 was gonna be Anasui.
Really weak bait my dude.
Where can I buy Joshu’s retard sunglasses
You forgot
>all of part 8
>araki forgot
Somebody will get triggered by this post.
>the headcanon
Source that Polnareff was teleporting or that is headcanon too.
I thought that Diavolo was one of DIO's kids because of the similar name and the fact that Giorno was coming after him
Same. That's the main reason I assumed Dio's kids were all gang leaders.
I thought that he would join Bruno’s squad briefly as a spy.
At least the Whitsnake goo could be explained as a different stand that Pucci was temporarily using from a disc.
Is this accurate?
When is that from?
April 2016
putting Dio and DIO together is stupid. Dio is a mediocre villain while DIO is trash tier and nearly ruins part 3
everyone hates Diavolo the most. I'm not even at him yet but am not expecting much.
Memes aside my least favorite villain is probably Part 3 Dio. Part 1 Dio was pretty cool at least
How can anyone top Kira? Hes the most cunning, quick on his feet, calm and collected villain. The more he's backed into a corner he powers up. Truly the best villain
A more recent poll would definitely place Pucci and Diavolo higher.
yeah i love generic arrogant shounen villain who gets outsmarted by a child #8051
O, MY UNNECESSARY PUBLIC CONFESSION
>nearly 60 people voted for Diavolo and 50 votes for Kars
>nearly 700 votes for Kira and only 200 for valentine.
>only 70 votes for Pucci.
Why is Kira so overrated.
O MY OUT OF CHARACTER ARROGANCE
O, MY SOCK OCD
haired baseposter
That's a lot of talk from someone whose opinion doesn't matter.
O MY COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROTAGONISTS SECRET PLAN
Doppio should have become an ally during the final battle and helped them beat Diavolo
What is that referring to?
I thought part 7 was set in a dystopian world, were the mc (a cripple with some mechanical parts) and his female friends joins hand in order to compete in the steel ball run tournament, were people use their now robotic stands to run and fight.
Why would he help them beat the only person who cares about him?
The first things I learned about part 5 was that it took place in italy, and Giorno's face, so I assumed he was a descendant of Caesar's family
Bunch of contrarians.
Are you retarded?
Valentine completely understanding how spin works and that Gyro and Johnny were trying to achieve a perfect rotation. Im pretty sure spin was kept a royal secret.
Why is this even deleted? It doesn't brake any rules.
In case any of you forgot
Parts 2 and 7 are the best Jojo parts. Hunter x Hunter is way better than parts 4, 5 and 6. Part 5 is an absolute trash and the worst Jojo part.
Both Diavolo and especially Pucci have legitimate fans who have become more vocal recently.
Sad.
I bet that's the case and not that Yea Forums is just being hipster as fuck like per usual.
The jannies fear its power.
I think that was a reddit poll.
That is the case.
Part 1,2,3 are far worse than the first half of part 5. Part 5 may have shit characters but it makes up for that with its creative and memorable stand fights. Nice bait though.
That's bullshit and I don't believe it.
what was it?
>Asukafag is also a huntertard
Of course
>tfw asukafag leaves because she cant handle getting btfo by Golden Chads
Too bad.
when I first got to the end of part 1 I was thinking "oh okay so this is gonna be some 7 drqgonballs type shit where the MC returns even stronger as the story unfolds over the next parts."
I was very VERY surprised when I finished and went on to part 2. Since then I've enjoyed the ride of the entire franchise. It sucks when some of my favorite characters are 100% killed off for good but I appreciate an author using mortality to have fun with fighting abilities and the overall plot.
In short, I was approaching JJ thinking it was a typical MY FRIENDS MAKE ME STRRRRONG fighting shonen based on shitposts and inside jokes and my expectations were changed since part 1.
Yeah, the stands in part 5 are "memorable" for being the most inconsistent in the series next to part 6 lmao. Story and characters > your meme stands, autistic faggot.
I never left because of that, retard. No one was able to btfo me. That caveman cuck was reaching when defending part 5 and he's using the same subjective "arguments" as any other partfag.
You didn't disagree about it being bullshit, so I accept that you too think it's bullshit.
>Anyone who thinks part 1 is a pleb.
>calling stands inconsistent because your virgin brain cant possibly comprehend anymore than what Araki spoonfeeds you
>be a literal autist
>call others autistic
Sorry I cant hear your whining over my Golden Chad OST
>saying this when togashi's favorite parts are 5 and 6, and even borrows their ideas to use in his story
>Y-you just don't get it!
Seeting
I meant to say anyone who thinks part 1 is the worst part is a pleb.
As someone who literally just finished rewatching Part 2 a few minutes ago, I can say that it is nowhere near as good as any of the parts that came after it.
>Caesar exists only to begrudgingly praise Joseph for his training.
>Lisa Lisa fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book after being hyped up for half a season and after Joseph said she was far better than he was.
>The only reason Esidisi existed was to give Kars motivation to kill Joseph.
>Kars has a rushed two-minute-long backstory.
>Kars doesn't even feel as threatening as the others.
>Icicle rope
>Poor writing and storytelling in general.
>Are we expected to believe that Caesar was really that upset over German Soldier #17152's death?
>Every fight consists of 10% action and 90% exposition. Like Naruto. Gross.
I could go on and on. I liked it more this time around, but my ranking didn't change. Also, Hiatus x Hiatus... I legitimately kept going because I assumed there would be a better arc after the horrible ant saga, but no. HxH turned into a novel. What a disappointment.
Your Golden Piss OST has literally four good tracks lmao They best thing about the ost are just variations of the main theme anyway, it's extremely overused in the show and the themes of other characters are so shit they don't even use them and use the main theme over and over instead
>Seeting
Ah, ok.
The only inconsistent stand in part 5 is Gold Experience, and the only inconsistency is that it drops the damage reflection thing, which happens very early on.
And you're right. Fourth best part overall.
Uh, dude, Battle Tendency's story is impeccable and the characters are so good.
>horrible ant saga
OH NO NO NO THE PLEB ABSOLUTELY FILTERED
Wow. You changed my mind. All hail bad storytelling!
I read ahead. There's a cool fight between the boss and this dude named Metallica. Then Bruno has this crazy fight with this underground guy called Secco.
Giorno remains a completely unremarkable and empty character to the very last chapter though.
>H-he doesn't like terrible plots! Pleb!
Part 1 blows HxH out of the water in all categories. I'm just looking at it objectively.
remember that ironic shitposting is also shitposting
I felt like a dumbfuck for not noticing the foreshadow of what was to come.
My main lack of understanding was hearing how great Part 3 was and how it was the defining JoJo when it was literally just a video game where you fight a different villain every ep and nothing else happens.
Also that part 5 was bad when it was one of the best
i thought Fugo would be the Boss
Koichi should never have been written into jojo. Jojo was about buff men not shitty self insert midgets with romance subplot.
I barely made it through part 4, and only because kira was such an awesome villian. You have to acknowledge that pt.4 was most likely the worst pt and is definitely the worst adapted so for
part 2 has the most tightly written and straightforward story in the series, best pacing, best protagonist and one of the better final fights, the stakes are very high (unlike with parts 4 or 5), no other part had a threat like the ultimate Kars, humanity would be actually fucked if he won
NEVER
You have 15 seconds to tell me why you like Giorno other than his face and appearance
fantastic bait
Reason for not killing myself this week: hearing new OP on friday
>most tightly written
>oh yeah this grandson of jonathan is way better than him at using hamon even if he didnt train lol
>um also straits is evil now lol
>also have these run of the mill noble demon antagonists except ONE IS ACTUALLY VERY EGOIST LOOOOL EGO IS EVIL
>best pacing
>fifty billion years of preparing for the big fight
>best protagonist
Ok. I agree.
> and one of the better final fights
Volcano vs Kars is overated.
> the stakes are very high
Doesn't mean it's good.
Yeah, parts 1-2-3 and 7-8 are overall better and are the good Jojo parts.
4-5-6 are meh and HxH destroys them.
Part 2 easily has the shittiest characters barring part 1 and Kars was an underwhelming jobber.
Those are literally non-issues, bait-kun.
wekapipo worked for him at one point and was a traitor to the royal family, probably gave him some idea of what spin was
>before getting into JoJo i heard nothing but praise for part 3
>now that ive finished the series i see nothing but hate for part 3
What happened? Why doesnt anyone like part 3 anymore?
>names issues that completely btfo his post
>um haha they aren't relevant
Let me say that you are a VERY epic individual with a large brain and I hope nothing bad happens to you.
Just watched this and I don't understand what this was meant to be. Comedy? Unironic music/dancing? Wtf is going on?
Araki was smoking the dank when he wrote that part
I saw the pic of Bruno licking Giorno before I got into Jojo and thought Bruno was a girl. It'd didn't click for me that he wasn't until halfway through the manga.
4, 5, and 6 are objectively better than HxH. HxH's creator said so himself.
>jobber
Like the majority of Jojo antagonists.
Kars is the ultimate pleb filter, the true embodiment of nietzschean Übermensch.
hehe I like le unpopular thing and I hate le popular thing!!! I'm sooo contrarian!!! Please upvote me 4channel!!!!!!
How did he go from weird kid to complete psychopath?
Was it really that bullshit speech from his dad?
His muda barrage is nice and the fact that he kicks instead of punching is pretty nice change from the rest of the protagonists who depend on their fists
I think Araki must have done a lot of drugs as a teen
I won't.
I hated his stand it rarely made sense. Crazy Diamond forever is the best and most versatile stand
David Production*
He is sandwiched between two of the most "normal" protags so far, so I appreciate him being serious.
I also like how people seem to forget that he literally didn't have a chance to use Life shot aside from its first usage. It outs them as speedreaders and baiters.
Shitty protagonist, half of the main cast have no character, overwhelmingly awful minor villains, bad fights, worse Dio (and Dio was already a meh villain), barely any story
It's in his genes.
Araki also "thought" SO was his opus magnum. Creators do/say often some retarded shit and you're a weak-minded sheep if you use their opinions as arguments.
I wonder what led Araki to his art style and creativity. Pretty much none of his characters even look "anime", they all look like western cartoon characters. Then there's the fact that fights are so weird. Like he had Bruno fight a carrot with a fishing rod wtf
Part 3 used to be the most famous part when the only anime that existed was the 90s OVA that only covered (part of) part 3 and it was the only part Viz had bothered localizing. It was considered the best because it was the only part a lot of people had any knowledge of.
Part 5 isn't very good though. It's better than part 3 but it still has one of the worst main characters and one of the worst villains of the series.
He is clearly influenced by western comics a lot. Obscure hilarious zany powers have been a staple of those.
>None of his cahracters look anime
The outfits in part 5 remind me of yu-gi-oh spinoff animes tbhj
I thought JoJo would be some immortal vampire who changed looks and personalities like some retarded Doctor Who.
I want asukafag to step on me and call me names
I fucking hated part 3. I'm animeonlyfag so maybe the manga experience was better idk
>gorillion episodes
>introduction of villain of the week format
>no longer a long narrative with interesting characters
>memes memes memes memes
>3 poop joke episodes
>Jotaro literally takes 0 dmg, maybe stumbles like ONCE in a fight before the final one with Dio
However, the episode with Kakyoin and that guy that killed people in dreams was fucking kino. Final fight with Dio was also good, but not worth slugging through that trash.
>Are we expected to believe that Caesar was really that upset over German Soldier #17152's death?
They were close friends.
The part 3 manga is shorter than both part 4 and 5 (I think it's actually the shortest part besides parts 1 and 2) but its anime had 9 more episodes than each. It was extremely drawn out because it's still the most recognizable part of the series.
>some people actually believe part 5 is part 3 but done better when in reality part 5 is part 3 but worse
Why did Gio kill him? Gio said himself his stand was independent and he wasn't aware of what it was doing. It literally wasn't his own fault that old dude died
I feel so bad for the animeonlyfags that are expecting a final fight on par with Dio or Kira. This show won't even end with a final fight. It's a bunch of people running through the street and staring at each other. Holy fuck it's so bad.
Because the Orangutan and Alessi are the greatest story arcs ever told, right?
Even if he wasn't consciously in control of his stand at that time he's still the one that set it up to work the way it did. The stand didn't act entirely on its own, it was still following general orders fro Polpo.
>ending is so boring even the characters fall asleep
you can't make this shit up
>>Jotaro literally takes 0 dmg, maybe stumbles like ONCE in a fight before the final one with Dio
This is just objectively wrong
I look at the part as a whole, and the best moments in part 3 blow the fuck out the best moments in part 5
Glamour.
He was always a psycho. Remember his introduction?
>Araki also "thought" SO was his opus magnum.
You totally misrepresented what he said in that interview.
>you're a weak-minded sheep if you use their opinions as arguments.
I'm not the one who parades HxH around as good writing, so I don't have to worry about being a sheep.
>JoJo’s BIZARRE Adventure
why does Fugo have nigger lips here?
Based.
Also he's literally fucking spinning around. Hur dur what is happening to me
b-but why is it weird???? I dont get it!!!!!!!11
Why didn't Josuke fix the button?
I agree Part 3 has better "best" moments, but you have to sit through an entire season of forgettable fights (except maybe Hol Horse) to get to the good stuff.
>uses argumentum ab auctoritate
>not a sheep
Ok
Too adrenaline filled to think
>WHIRRRRRR
>Talking about the other person's argument instead of actually talking about the subject because their argument was BTFO.
Definitely a sheep.
Nice dodge, sheep.
Hottest take coming at you.
Not caught up on 8 so no comment
It goes 7>Dio's World>4>3 but only in Egypt>2>1> 6> 3 prior to Egypt
Oh no, I broke it.
If you're going to split part 3 into a bunch of parts you might as well just rank all the arcs individually. That's a stupid way of ranking things.
The last third of part 6 should go before part 4.
It's called hanging out and having fun with your bros
hotter than the surface of the sun coming at you
DIO's world>7>4>2>5>6>rest of 3>1
None are bad.
okay but it was never bizarre truly before that moment. It was fairly typical shonen with supernatural elements that I assumed the Japanese considered "bizarre"
DIO's World is very overrated. I'm convinced people only like it for the Road Roller meme.
>the argument was btfo by using someone's opinion
this is now how it works pal
>it was never bizarre before that
>Stray Cat and Ratt from part 4
>the alien guy from part 4
I don't see how that dance is any more bizarre than a lot of stuff from part 4 actually. Even part 3 had some bizarre antagonists.
There are other memes too
Here's a hot tip: Read the comment chain before replying.
You didn’t consider someone violently defending their hairstyle to be bizarre?
>rhyming to make special effects happen.
Are you saying it wasn’t? What else would it be?
they said they think parts 4, 5 and 6 are weak, the other person said they're not because a certain author said so. where's the btfo part?
*Intense breathing noises*
*Electricity crackling in the air*
HAMON HOTTA TAKEU OVADORIVU!
Dio's World > BITE ZA DUSTO > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
It's because he's worldly and always looking for new experiences.
He probably went fishing and realized how brutal getting hooked is for the fish and then imagined what it would be like if the fish was a person and that's how Beach Boy happened.
It makes JoJo feel fresh, where some other mangaka just take inspiration from other manga, leading to the end product feeling inbred.
He just created a third leg just for the fun
7 = 2 > 1 > 8 > power gap > 4 > 6 > Jorge Joestar > PHF > part 5
YOU ROTTEN PIECES OF SHIT!!!!
KING CRIMSON REQUIEM ACT FOUR OVER HEAVEN: THE WORLD!
D4C > Metallica > C-Moon/Made In Heaven == DIO's World > 7 > Bites the Dust > 5 > Silver Chariot Requiem > 6 > 4 > 2 > 3 > 1.
The ranking goes 1=2=3=4=5=7=8.
Before reading it or even knowing that stands existed, I somehow assumed (based on some gifs) that Star Platinum was just Jotaro's afterimage.
The funniest part is that since Jotaro appeared to be standing still in a cool pose while his "afterimage" was throwing punches, I naturally thought that Jotaro went back to his cool pose between each strike just to appear cooler.
You fucking delinquents
All JoJo parts > Hiatus X Hiatus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O MY SEVEN QUIRKS
7 is WAY better than 2
Considering it only ever uses amplified gravity and never tries rhyming again, it's just that.
8 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
I don't hate him. I feel kinda bad for him.
>nietzschean
More like pseudo-Darwinian.
So Act 2 is more versatile confirmed, got it.
7 is the best seinen Jojo, 2 is the best shonen Jojo.
What about the best Soft Seinen Jojo?
>7 is the best seinen Jojo
Not that hard when 8 is the only other seinen part (and it isn't over yet).
>Soft Seinen
there isn't one.
Before watching anime I thought Kira’s third look was actually Kira’s father
7 is peak JoJo, period.
At first I read that as
>I thought Kira's father was his third look
Or D4C actually had the ability to meld the outcomes of different dimensions together to disorient, and it simply didn't use it again because it's niche.
>It outs them as speedreaders and baiters.
To be fair, its perfectly reasonable to forget something that's only used once and never really mentioned again in 17 whole volumes. Kinda like Kakyoin's body possession or DIO's hermit purple.
>draw an adult
>say she's 14
Is this a reverse loli situation?
SCR and GER will be way better animated.
Or anything else is this series. There's so much shit that's thrown away never to be seen gain. If the Stand concept and fights weren't so interesting this series would be laughed at for how retarded the author is
>tfw people here will say this is now the best final jojo fight ever and ger was great since the beginning
worst timeline
Stephen Steel was a real bro.
I mean it's certainly possible. I sure liked Baby Face a lot more in the anime.
idk man being 9 years old and having everyone try to murder you then your dad telling you "you know what son, sometimes you just gotta kill someone" might just fuck with your head especially when you're about to turn into a rock at any second
You're not wrong but at the same time I feel like the sloppiness of how most things in Jojo are handled add a lot to the charm of the series, kinda like DBZ.
It's always fun to rewatch any part and notice all the dropped or retconned plot points like GioGio being DIO's kid or Trish's initial Stand powers not having anything to do with Spice Girl's powers.
Neither of those were retconned.
>no echoes three trees to create a forest
>no echoes three sneeze to cause illness
>no echoes three tweeze to remove a splinter
>no echoes three breeze to create a slight wind
>no echoes three cheese to improve a sandwich
Whatever. Act two was cooler anyway.
>gio being dio's kid gets retconned
you feeling alright big guy?
Unless there was a secret Spice Dinosaur arc that I missed, I'm pretty sure this was retconned
Gio being DIO's kid wasn't retconned but it was completely ignored and served no purpose other than having an excuse to bring back MUDA MUDA.
As for Trish's stand, I have no idea what they were going for when it first manifested but it sure didn't look like its powers were to make things soft.
>dropped or retconned
>or
Can we all agree that Araki's peak as an artist was during SBR?
Nope
>Gio being DIO's kid wasn't retconned but it was completely ignored and served no purpose other than having an excuse to bring back MUDA MUDA.
what are you talking about
it's literally the catalyst for the entire show and the entire foundation of gio's character
he is the anti hero jojo purely because he has dio's blood in him, he wouldn't be in a life of crime or be willing to do half the shit he did if he wasn't part vampire fucking shit, are we watching the same show?
honestly are you feeling alright?
just because dio didn't chase down giorno so they could have a beer on a beach at sunset and have a father and son moment doesn't mean it was a dropped plot point faget
late part 7 and part 8 have the best art style, I agree
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Is he right?
Did you miss Giorno’s personality being similar to Dio or the handprint reappearing when Spice Girl was fully revealed?
They weren’t dropped either.
look at that handsome man
i wanna marry him.
>he is the anti hero jojo purely because he has dio's blood in him, he wouldn't be in a life of crime or be willing to do half the shit he did if he wasn't part vampire fucking shit, are we watching the same show?
Uh, no retard.
good riposte faget
wanna tell me how the dio plot point was dropped without saying "uuuuuuhhhhhh he didn't show up and tell him about girls and to wash his foreskin so the plot point was D R O P P E D"
>hating part 6 mostly because of dio's kids
well fuck, hundreds of useless plot points like that exist through all parts.
its like despising part 3 because kak never used his painting powers again
>his painting powers
Yikes
Giorno wants to be a gangster because he was inspired by someone from his childhood. Not because he's "part vampire", which isn't even a thing in Jojo to begin with.
>he wouldn't be in a life of crime or be willing to do half the shit he did if he wasn't part vampire fucking shit
You're reaching. DIO never had any interaction with Giorno even as a kid since he left long before he was born, it was his mother and stepfather who made him almost become a baddie. The only reason Giorno's in a "life of crime" was because the guy who saved him from becoming Dio 2.0 was a gangster.
As for the "part vampire fucking shit", it's never shown or implied or even talked about the possibility of Giorno being part vampire. The only real connection to DIO I can think of is his hair going yellow and the whole muda muda thing.
>Giorno's personality being similar to Dio
What? Their personalities are completely different
>or the handprint reappearing when Spice Girl was fully revealed?
If you read the manga, you would know the handprint that appears in the Notorious BIG arc was made by Trish's own hand when she put it on a chair she softened.
I thought Echoes Act 3 would be something cool instead of just freezing shit. Acts 1 and 2 were probably my favorite stand (outside of Stone Free and maybe Moody Blues on a conceptual level) but they either dropped what made it such a cool stand or they underutilized it so hard that I'm under the impression they dropped it.
It still looks like a claw though. When it first awakened it could have flared out and made a larger hand print.
Trish's hand could have flared out?
The softening power.
first of all I was using part vampire to allude to dio's being part of his lineage not that he was actually a vampire you dumb ape
you guys wanna discuss writing or just tell me blatant facts en lieu of doing some critical thinking
gio's entire character is based upon the fact he is half dio and half jojo which araki made even more obvious when he showed gio's brothers in part 6 who despite also being sired by dio in Jonathon's body all came out being pieces of shit
on paper gio should be a piece of shit due to the absent mother, willingness to steal and cheat people (as shown by the first few scenes in which he scams the midget and robs those girls of a few lira) but we're shown that his morality is nuanced when he juxtaposes his crimes with the good deed of buying that kid an ice cream and the whole dude drugs are bad lmao shite
no other jojo has been shown to have such a nuanced morality, they're all basically just cut and dry good guys whereas gio is NOT because he has dio's blood in him which is the entire point
sure he was inspired to become a gangster because of that guy but he was a CRIMINAL before he became one because of dio's blood affecting his character and even as a gangster he still keeps up the immoral shenanigans like destroying every car in a parking lot so his friends can get away (again, an act of nuanced morality)
I don't know why I have to explain writing 101 to you but there you go, this is why dio being his dad wasn't a dropped plot point and why dio being his dad is instrumental to gio's character and the theme of the show (you can overcome your struggles and sometimes you need to be a bad guy (read:gangster) to do good things/being "bad" isn't always a "bad" thing)
Not canon, sorry.
>What? Their personalities are completely different
They’re both charismatic, cold, scheming, and ruthless towards opponents.
>cherry colored funk
based and cocteaupilled
It's a hand print created by her hand
>NOOOOOOOO ARAKI NEVER LOOKS DIRECTLY AT THE CAMERA AND SAYS "AHEM GAJIN BTW DIO IS THE FOUNDATION OF GIO'S CHARACTER AND THE CATALYST OF THE THEME OF THE ENTIRE SHOW SO IT'S NOT CANON
god damn you must miss 90% of the films you watch and books you read
honestly whats the last book you read?
did you think moby dick was literally just about a guy who wants to murder a whale?
I might be wrong but I think Araki decided to change Trish's powers somewhere after the first time it manifested so he made the handprint in the Notorious BIG arc to maintain some sort of consistency with what happened during the Pesci arc before revealing what Spice Girl actually does.
I don't fucking know honestly, it's just a weird thing to happen.
I honestly think you're giving Araki too much credit at this point.
Ah, I see what you mean. Could be, but most Jojo's also share those kind of traits
And maybe the first handprint was as well.
You can't tell me with a straight face that you think Trish's hand (shown in the picture next to the handprint) made this mark in the ground.
>I honestly think you're giving Araki too much credit at this point.
I don't think understanding a child's comic book is giving araki too much credit but whatever bro
You can’t tell me with a straight face that it wasn’t at least partially done by her stand in both cases.
Maybe it's because her stand was undefined at that point.
Kinda like how Star Platinum's range fluctuated and had weird abilities like Star Finger and suddenly developed time stop. Jotaro only had his stand for a short time, so it had time to become more concrete and consistent.
Giorno also got his stand recently before part 5, and GE is also inconsistent.
Contrast that with Crazy Diamond, which Josuke had for his entire life and had consistent abilities throughout part 4.
It probably wasn't Araki's intention, but it kinda makes sense. With Jojo, sometimes you just have to come up with your own explanations.
>horrible ant saga
nice bait, HxH easily tops weaker Jojo parts like 3, 5 and 8
Well, no shit, because we're talking about how her stand powers changed. Obviously it was supposed to be made by her stand, or else what would we even be talking about here?
When I first saw that scene I thought Trish's Stand was gonna have something to do with time travelling (I assumed the turtle was next to her and for a split second it became some kind of ancient giant turtle hence the dino-esque handprint), and since her father's Stand also had time-space shenanigans involved, it sort of made sense at the time, especially when Bruno suddenly came back to life after dying right next to her.
I was kinda sad when Trish finally manifested her Stand and could only soften shit. Very underwhelming even though the Notorious BIG fight was alright.
We were talking about how the handprint was supposedly a dropped plot point.
No matter how many times I picture Dio frantically running down the stairs and putting polnareff back then running back up before his 5 seconds are over it never stops being funny.
Theres a theory about kekyoin/pol enhanced abilities (body posession and SC drop amor) and dio's hermit purple/jotaro time stop.
The theory says that TheWorlds true power was to have more powerful versions of the stands of the joestars currently alive.
Thats why dios time stop is better than jotaros,why dio has HP and the flesh things would be hollys stand (that would control and give enhanced abilities to the infected)
What if softening powers are just Spice Girl Act 1?
I thought when I first saw Battle Tendency that the Pillar men were Dio's sons and that Joseph was Jonathan's son
>He was always 2 people
But turtlereff gives a whole lecture about how in the Jojoverse split personalities occur because a trauma can rend one person's soul and eventually break it into two.
The flesh buds are physical objects made from vampire cells.
I'm saying that her abilities were retconned. There's nothing in Spice Girl's ability description that would explain a giant handprint on the ground.
>everyone hates Diavolo the most.
Bucciarati pls go
The ground being softened?
I forgot where I read this, but I saw someone jokingly state that Jolyne hatched from an egg because they were referring to that gay clamp in wonderland thing, which I didn't know anything about at the time. So I read through stone ocean waiting for Jolyne's origin story to be revealed, the part where it's revealed she was hatched from some egg but it never came.
No, the hand print. Which is why I said, "There's nothing in Spice Girl's ability description that would explain a giant handprint on the ground."
Yeah, me too.
lemme explain it to you
araki wanted to foreshadow her powers without giving them away while also hyping the reader up so he did this by adding a big handprint to the ground
not rocket science you dumb cunt
why do you need literally everything to have a super concrete explanation to it, why can't you just use your brain and think outside of the confines of literal words and drawings
seriously why don't you understand such simple concepts? take a creative writing class or go back to school or something
Dio would’ve moved Polnareff back with The World, not his own physical body.
The ground was softened, allowing Trish to make a handprint.
Everyone shot Johnny, but some of Wekapipo's shots went to alternate universe Johnny
Go look at the screenshot of the handprint again, user. It's huge. Trish didn't make that.
What's the point of that scene where memezuku rai goes "huh his bubbles are actually spinning string"
Why does it matter? Was magical soap bubbles too bizarre for the series? Was it a way to tie it to Johnny and his Spin?
It obviously doesn’t match up in size, but it fits the general concept.
my headcanon was that the string is why he can pull things out of people and will be why he can graft things together the same way josefumi can because he'll tie the concepts together via the string
so tl;dr foreshadowing
It'll probably be relevant at some point. Not sure why Araki chose that particular point to bring it up though.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that a mark could be left without being in direct contact with Trish's hand? It was the first time the power was used and Trish was under some high emotional stress. The power could have been a lot more powerful than normal at that instant, causing a larger than normal hand print.
no one knows, no one will ever know because araki will forget about it like the 15 other things in jojolion
>It obviously doesn’t match up in size
Hence, her stand changed
fucking kek
>NOOOOOOOO THE HANDPRINT WAS TOO BIG THIS MAKES NO SENSE
it's almost like it was for dramatic effect
I thought Star Platinum special power was to make time stop.
But its power was actually to make anything Jotaro thinks he can do to happen.
Not if Araki always intended it to have the same power, even if he drew it confusingly the first time.
>Why is it so hard for you to believe that a mark could be left without being in direct contact with Trish's hand? It was the first time the power was used and Trish was under some high emotional stress. The power could have been a lot more powerful than normal at that instant, causing a larger than normal hand print.
Her stand's power isn't to make handprints. Her power is to make things soft. If her stand was more powerful in that moment because of stress, it would make the ground even softer than it normally could. It wouldn't cause a giant handprint to appear out of nowhere.
I bet you’re a speedreader.
Imagine actually thinking that this is a good post.
>Dammit Araki,we were so close to fix your bullshit.
No
>"Hey user, I am your mother and it turns out I really like Jojo! I am a huge fan, RERO RERO RERO RERO RERO!"
Do you still like jojo now?
Former animeonlyfag here who's been catching up on the manga and is approaching the end of part 5. You guys were right, this is a goddamn clusterfuck. A shame since almost everything before this was great.
"If".
Speedreaders never admit to it.
It makes sense.
Im not a fan of the final fight but the adaptation of babyface gives me hope that they can make it better
It doesn't. If you wanted to convey a humanoid punchghost who can change the consistency of materials into rubber, you don't draw a dinosaur foot in the grass.
Part 6 is the opposite,
Lots of boring parts early on with some cool stuff then it goes bonkers on a good way
You’re really stubborn, aren’t you?
if you want to foreshadow someone with the power to basically melt things, have a terrifying power and create some hype then you do
how hype were you when you saw that shit?
im willing to bet it worked
>no echoes three cheese to improve a sandwich
I like that despite being in one of the most brutal parts, he has a sort of quiet politeness and seems to have a lot of academic knowledge about various plants and animals
I think it's a lot more stubborn to jump through all these hoops trying to explain something which doesn't need to be explained.
It’s stubborn that you refuse to accept a sensible explanation.
it doesn't need to be explained because it's clear what araki was doing along with gio being dio's kid
there are a good few dropped plot points in jojo and a ton of shit that makes no sense but the shit you're crying about aren't the things you should be annoyed by
you honestly need to read more actual books and go back to school if you cannot understand a comic book
Did you guys forget that White Snake uses Hallucination again vs Foo Fighters? It's a primary power of the stand and probably part of how he got the whole prison wrapped around his finger.
Anyone else liked the recap episode? I thought they were going to do a lazy ep with the best parts of the remaining squadra fights, but they managed to include lots of stuff about the characters. The only things I didnt like were the characters blowing Giorno and the funky music playing during the donuting.
It's not sensible. Spice Girl's canon powers cannot explain why there is a Godzilla sized print in the ground next to Trish.
It was this universe's Diego
Because the ground was softened and Araki decided to exaggerate the effects.
Yes :]
I unironically like how you ignore all my posts because you want to be annoyed at a dinosaur hand print
because of this I thought Koichi was one of Dio's sons, and to be perfectly honest I'm not exactly sure I was wrong.
After all, we never saw Koichi's dad, and Dio was in japan about that time, and Jotaro did send him to check on Giorno, and his hair did spontaneously transform when he gained act 3 the same way giorno's did when he got golden experience, and act 3 was a stand that had the power to "stop" things
Also, we never saw his shoulder. I looked
>implying Araki would think that hard about anything
I don't buy it, sorry.
I'm honestly not sure why. Vento Aureo is the first manga I ever read. I actually even felt that Giorno looked kind of weird, something about the eyebrows or just compactness of his face, or how his hair is positioned sometimes. But I regardless I just like him. I can't even say he fits thematically with the part, in fact he seems pretty malicious under a microscope. He wants to be a gang-star. He just wants to, because a gangster told kids to act friendly to him and told his dad to stop beating him. He decides he's gonna fucking kill the current boss, not out of a quest to destroy drug influence or something, but simply because he wants to be boss now. But even with that in my head I cant stop liking Giogio.
holy shit you're right
Your loss.
What parts specifically did he use if you don’t mind me asking?
>inb4 King Crimson rip-off
In the last couple years the Jojo fandom has really swelled from the 'anime only' audience. They've just come off the high from the Battle Tendency anime which is a masterpiece and now they've got to go through all of the much differently paced Stardust Crusaders anime. Stardust Crusaders is a totally different beast. The stands are written to have physical combat techniques. The series takes it time for the characters to react to new locales and stand users. Stands tend to revolve around a physical matter or obstacle to kill the protagonists and the protagonists don't asspull grenade chains or hamon cracker balls. Jotaro is a stoic, static character and a lot of time is given to side characters as opposed to Battle Tendency. And Joseph, the all-seeing God of BT, is heavily weakened in SDC.
It's a recipe for disaster. Always instruct newbies to READ part 3.
You mean kino
What do you mean by Dios world
>Polnareff teleporting
I can fully accept that Dio is just that much of a cheeky cunt, plus he was legitimately trying to trick Polnareff into thinking he was descending unconsciously out of fear to psyche him out.
>Hayato having future sight in Rohan's book
This one is fair. Unless he exploded some random person earlier and we're seeing the second iteration.
>Bruno seeing his future self
This is made much clearer in the anime. It appears to be like an afterimage of the erased time, since the two endpoints of the time frame are basically mashed together afterwards. Still inconsistent with later portrayals, but it gets the point across.
>Whitesnake’s weird ass illusion goop bullshit
This is so far removed from his actual power that my headcanon is that it's someone else's stand ability that he stole and gave to himself.
>My name is Doppio
>His name is Diavolo
dingus
People always bring this up like it actually means anything, but it doesn't
>part 7
>"XandY characters will definitely die from all of those bullet wounds"
>they're fine and make it to a healing ability
>"X character's been through so much worse before, they'll be fine"
>"wait, why is the paneling getting so dramatic?"
>"...oh"
Why didn't Johnny just pull another ability out of his ass like all the other times before? Surely spinning a wound causes it to heal.
You have bad taste that whole shebang was tense
>His name is Anasui
Anasui confirmed for Diavolo's son and Trish's twin brother.
This retarded headcanon is completely btfo by the simple evidence in the manga, "His name was Diavolo."
B-b-b-but maybe they switched names!
I'd seen out-of-order pictures of later JoJos when I was in an early part, and I assumed DIO seduced Jolyne and that Giorno was their child.
>Merge the movable fingernail vortexes with the empty space of the wounds
>move them both
Ez
I got juked so hard. I saw a fake image like the one of DIO holding Giorno where Johnny and Gyro were standing with a resurrected Christ. So I was sure Gyro would be fine. Fuck
I'd say so. Kira was cool but a lot of anons (and Araki) must like him because he had simple goals and wasn't the world domination type.
Kars is low because his character arc mostly transpires in the background until the last few chapters and shoneniggers seem to be the few who like him the most.
Pucci was alright but I wouldn't put him higher than Valentine either.
>oh yeah this grandson of jonathan is way better than him at using hamon even if he didnt train lol
>what is natural talent
>Jonathon also barely trained Hamon
I like this theory.
Hot take: The Joestar bloodline has two major stand abilities: time and life, change my mind
Jolyne?
Jolyne's stand doesn't have anything to do with either.
Hermit Purple
Crazy Diamond
Stone Free
She got pricked after the whole "joestar stand awakening"
I want to see that.
Hermit Purple also awakened before dio got pricked, which is why holly has something related to vines and presumably life
CD can heal lives
Hermit Purple came from DIO just like the others
And that's why she died.
>CD can heal lives
That's such a dumb argument to make, every stand can be described as doing X to a life.
What the fuck are you talking about
But Echoes Act 3 is about rhyming.
Before getting into Jojo I thought you had to do a specific pose to summon your stand, so thats why posing was so memetic in the community, it didnt help that every protagonist has a really popular pose.
What do you mean?
Yeah I finished part 5 on Friday too. Holy fuck that ending was so bad. We have to wait another 2 years until we get Stone Ocean, fuck
Stone Ocean is basically an entire part set at the level of Part 5's ending.
My dad is David of David Productions and he says that the Stone Ocean anime will start the season after part 5 ends.
I've been enjoying the anime much more than the manga for part 5 but I'm dreading the ending of it. The ending was so fucking shit it almost ruins all of the other fun fights in the part.
Unless Stone Free had a secret true ability that Jolyne died before she could realize.
Star Platinum seemed like a normal "punch good" stand until Jotaro started stopping time.
Maybe Stone Free could've manipulated the threads of fate or something.
It has an A in developmental potential, so asspulling a new ability isn't out of the question.
>Lisa lisa jobs
At the time it was literally illegal to have female characters fighting, much less probably being the strongest in the cast. Pretty sure his editor told Araki to make her job in a way that didnt diminish her strenght.
Daily reminder that Jotaro lost to a rat with a gun
Therefore, canonically, the power ranking of characters is
Rat > Dio > Jotaro
When the fuck was Dio ever in Japan??
Daily reminder that he only let himself get shot because he knew that Josuke could heal him.
He could have been a distraction without getting hit.
>it was literally illegal to have female characters fighting
Are you serious? Was there an actual Japanese law that banned fighting female characters, or do you mean it was just so heavily frowned upon that WSJ would never allow it?
How many characters can actually defeat the Rat though? Not many.
Not by a fucking longshot. At the very least, Jolyne is far more interesting than fucking GioGio.
He means literally in the millennial sense, as in, not literally.
When he fucked Giorno's mom.
When he fucked Okuyasu's dad.
But they fucked in Italy, no?
A lot of characters.
Just not the ones with short ranged punch ghost type stands.
Nope.
She was in Egypt.
Manhattan Transfer could kill the rats easily
I thought Gio was going to show up in part 6 but GER is way too bullshit to have anything written about it. Also why the fuck was Dio in Florida anyways? Did he go on a global trip during part 3?
they didn't say where she was, but she was japanese and didn't start getting cannoli dick until Giorno was four
Why the fuck was a Japanese lady in Egypt in the 1970s getting fucked by an English vampire
They do say that she moved back to Japan to give birth to Giorno though, so she could have fucked DIO somewhere else in the world
Honestly I don't doubt that a jojo season needs a year of production. They make 39 episodes with original music and crazy animation
Japanese tourists go to Egypt too.
I've literally never met a Japanese person and I've traveled quite a bit. Frankly I'm not completely sure they actually exist
No, it was a hyperbole. But having females fighting at the time in manga was a no no.
Clearly someone forgot about Wired Beck
They didnt fight, she just walked pass him.
>Rewatch Black sabbath fight
>When the colors shift, Koichi is orange and green with blonde hair
KINO
This is one of the things I miss most in part 5. The colors don't change like they did in part 4 baka
>season
Fuck off animecuck
Retard
Are you colorblind? They change every fight.
>jotaro with tits
>interesting
He said Jolyne, not Kyo.
Part 8 also sucks
>For me I thought Echoes Act 3's ability was going to be rhyming to make special effects happen.
That IS his ability.
Except only with the word Three.
The problem is that Koichi is actually BAD at stands, and doesn't know any english enough to rhyme 3 with anything. That's why his Potential is A.
Cringe.
Development Potential is the potential to gain new powers, not the potential uses of currency powers.
He probably went around the world to learn about all the changes that happened in those 100 years. According to JoJo Over Heaven he was just in his mansion meeting with Pucci from time to time while the Joestar group went after him. Its more likely that more women survived being with him like Giorno's mom.
>JoJo Over Heaven
The only time it rhymed was when it named that attack Three Freeze. Everything after that is just S-H-I-T or LETS KILL DA HOE.
I thought it could be both.
Like how durability applies to both physical durability and the staying power of the effects stands create.
ALRIGHT YOU WANNA KNOW FINE I ADMIT IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW KING CRIMSON WORKS, HE ERASES TIME BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, IF YOU ERASE TIME THEN SHOULDN'T HE NOT BE THERE?! WHAT DOES THAT MEAN- WHAT DOES HE MEAN HE ERASES TIME?! HE ERASES TIME BUT STUFF STILL HAPPENS IN IT, HOW DOES HE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN IT WHEN HE ERASES IT?! IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE YOU CAN'T ERASE TIME! YOU CAN'T ERASE TIME! FINE YOU CAN FREEZE TIME AND YOU CAN TURN BACK TIME, BUT YOU CAN'T ERASE TIME, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE- YOU ERASE TIME NOTHING HAPPENS IN IT. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW SOMEONE TELL ME! SOMEONE TELL ME HOW KING CRIMSON WORKS I NEED TO KNOW! I NEED TO KNOW HOW KING CRIMSON WORKS PLEASE!!! PLEASE JUST TELL ME!!! I NEED TO KNOW! SOMEONE EXPLAIN IT! ITS CONFUSING I DON'T KNOW, HOW DOES KING CRIMSON WORK?!?! HOW DOES IT WORK?! HOW DOES KING CRIMSON WORK PLEASE!!! PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME I NEED TO KNOW HOW KING CRIMSON WORKS!!!!!
>ripped supervampire men from pre-history attempt to find a mcguffin to place on a mask so it can pierce their skull
>There is also a Nazi cyborg helping out the main hero fighting these evil supervampires
>And the main hero wins by punching the head supervampire, who just gained the abilities of every living creature, so fucking hard that he is launched into space
That is pretty fucking bizarre any way you look at it
That stuff is only bizarre out of context.
The dancing scene comes out of nowhere.
>That stuff is only bizarre out of context.
before i got into the series i thought all the jojos were siblings who lived in a giant mansion and it alternated between them for episodes
I have no idea why you would think that
What would a stand like that be called?
has the natural, grass and dirt, ground been affected by her stand on any other occasion? I haven't actually read or watched Part 5 yet, but I have a general idea of what her power is, so I don't know if the material being softened matters, if it does, or at least isn't
It's true.
JoJo's weirdness ramps up gradually.
Unless you skip parts, you should build up a tolerance for bizarre shit as the series goes on and not even bat an eye when two guys use their superpowered ghosts to cheat in a beetle fight where one of the combatants is betting his Lamborghini so he can lick the other combatant's eyeball.
>And the main hero wins by punching the head supervampire, who just gained the abilities of every living creature, so fucking hard that he is launched into space
user?
The material of the ground wasn't the issue.
Who translated this?
Giorno is one of the most subtle and nuanced Araki's characters, in my opinion. One of the first things noticeable about him is that he is very polite and well-mannered. In fact Giorno doesn't swear at all, possessing consistently well-mannered and formal speech patterns for the entirety of his journey. Even when Abbacchio constantly belittles him and calling names , Giorno is still respectful to him. However with all of that he still has inner intensity at the same time and is ready to take charge , also not afraid to express his opinions or disobey orders of his seniors if he thinks that is right thing to do. He is very ambitious and wants to gain power, but not for the sake of it , instead so he could use it for the better. He is also very ruthless in dealing with his enemies, being first JoJo who kills on regular occasion. He hates to involve innocent civilians in the business and despises those who do it and take their lives. We learn from his backstory, that Giorno was neglected by his mother and abused by step-father, which encouraged his introverted nature and developing the habit of trying to read the situation and other people, resulting in his deductive skills and observant nature.Giorno has moments of doubt , clear nervousness and even panic. He is not always calm and confident. Giorno has incredible determination and resolve, which he shares with his teammates in moments of need, strengthening their hearts. They all recognize that and GioGio even had effect on Trish. He possesses true leadership qualities. Also, he was first protagonist who had his own dreams, goals and worked towards achieving them. He is not reactionary character like all previous JoJos where they responded to threats of villains and got into action because of them. Instead Giorno is proactive protagonist, who is out to change the world and existing status quo. By the end of the journey, he achieves his dream.
Based
>Giorno doesn't swear
That's bullshit.
While going through part two, I saw a screencap of part 3 where Star Platinum looked particularly like Dio. I knew he came back and didn't know about stands so I thought he came back and was a weird purple ghost.
Who's ready for Smash and Talking Tongue?
You mean Conflict and Speaking Noggin?
>Giorno doesnt swear
>Giorno is the first JoJo to kill
C'est connerie, mais je le crois.
It's a bait pasta
Many say Part 6 fights were bad, but I always disagreed. Rate my opinion here:
>Greatness that makes the part:
Savage Garden, Whitesnake: Pursuer, C-Moon & Made in Heaven
Planet Waves
Sky High
FF vs Pucci
>Good shit
Underworld
Heavy Weather
Foo Fighters
Goo Goo Dolls
>Above Average:
The Visitor
Kiss of Love and Revenge
Jail House Lock
>About Average:
Highway to Hell
Marilyn Manson
>Below average:
Bohemian Rhapsody
Dragon's Dream
>Garbage, 1/10:
Yo Yo Ma (FF vs Pucci not included)
Green Baby
Kir/a/ is the ultimate Yea Forums villain.
I forgot Jumping Jack Flash lmao its about
average. (By Savage Garden I mean the Pucci & Jolyne section.)
Silver Chariot discarded its armor in an attempt to cut Hol Horse's bullet.
Overall tho, I kinda cant help but think that this theory is correct. If only because then it makes a bit more sense how Jotaro discovers his own ability to stop time.
As opposed to just him reasoning that because both SP and The World punch things, that must make them exactly the same.
Tsurugi looks like Radical Larry
Why does this look wrong to me? Almost, uncanny valley like.
What the fuck is Rai's outfit?
I thought Doppio is going to be an ally?
Audibly laughed. Thank you.
literally everything posted here is wrong. i also rewatched 2 a few days ago
>Caesar exists only to begrudgingly praise Joseph for his training.
He literally exists to actually counter Joseph almost every time, Joseph is a bold aspie but Caesar is the suave guy who gets the girls and cares a lot about his family history, them being at odds with each other most times but Caesar secretly starting to respect JoJo more and more is part of their relationship, however the most important thing is how their relationship abruptly ends on a bad note, just how it started, despite their mutual admiration of each other
>Lisa Lisa fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book after being hyped up for half a season and after Joseph said she was far better than he was.
Lisa got fucked up by the most intelligent being on Earth finally revealing himself to be a realpolitik master in contrast to the virtuous Whamu and ACDC
>The only reason Esidisi existed was to give Kars motivation to kill Joseph.
ACDC isnt fleshed out but your assessment is wrong anyway
>Kars has a rushed two-minute-long backstory.
what more did ya want m8 he was frozen for millenia
>Kars doesn't even feel as threatening as the others.
they literally couldn't even kill him
>Icicle rope
and?
>Poor writing and storytelling in general.
it seems you just hate fun
>Are we expected to believe that Caesar was really that upset over German Soldier #17152's death?
They were actual friends unlike JoJo and Caesar, and it's exemplified by them bonding over both being Axis and having a backstory of picking up girls together which ties into one of Caesar's defining traits
>Every fight consists of 10% action and 90% exposition. Like Naruto. Gross.
It's part of the fun. I think some of the battles could have been cut down because I'm not a pathetic shounenfag but seeing the battle of wits and whacky ingenuity is what actually makes JoJo battles cool, otherwise I don't even watch/read JoJo for the battles.
part 7 is barely seinen, especially when araki was afraid of ending things on a bad note for any character except gyro so he just erased all their growth.
now part 8 is top seinen
part 2's subpar writing is excused because it's fun
So when are we getting new scans?
Now that I think about it, Kakyoin figuring out his power and Joseph figuring out Kakyoin's clue was an even bigger asspull than Jotaro straight up developing the same power.
You answered your own question.
Kakyoin figuring out the power was based on a very simple logical deduction, and the hint Joseph got was very blatantly time related.
I meant scans translated to english (by non-retards)
Literally name 2 times this occurs
Which part had the best side characters?
Based. Anti-BTfags always spew the same "arguments" that can be easily countered
I also don't read Jojo for the battles
No, it's literally nonsense. There is a "logical thread" it pretends to have but nobody in that situation would ever arrive at that conclusion. If anything, going by the clues the show drops about Dio, The World is an extension of his personality- how he managed to have so many minions in Part 1, how he seduced so many people to his side in Part 3 BEFORE using the flesh buds, how everyone talks about his beauty and charisma even when they don't like him, how Polnareff gets mindfucked. If you were one of the guys in the group at that moment, you'd think DIO's power was some kind of epic mindfuck where he can do mind control or mind reading or turn you into a schizo by changing your perception of, ahem, the WORLD, and just so happens to also have a physically powerful stand that, shocking, can actually deflect the Emerald Splash (like everyone else does through the fucking show).
But no, just the fact that DIO SAW THROUGH Kakyoin's autistic plan (perhaps by MIND READING, hmm? :^) ) means his ability is to stop time.
And then, Joseph has to rationalize that "a mortally wounded Kakyoin literally seconds before dying couldn't just miss his attack by a few degrees (perhaps by being MIND CONTROLLED), no, it was a deliberate clue that he hit the conveniently placed clock tower to indicate that CLOCK=TIME=DIO CAN STOP TIME
Yikes
Dab
>Let's ignore 2 parts worth of characterization for Dio and all the build up and clues to what The World is because Kakyoin simply can't believe that Dio could have a radius attack that acts simultaneously in the entire area (like Ozone Baby), or that Kakyoin was simply an unreliable narrator and didn't actually even spring any traps at all
Before I started reading the series at all I had only seen a screenshot from Part 3 and a "Joseph Joestar "OH MY GOD" Compilation" video. I thought that the entire series was Part 3 with Joseph as the main character, and that the main cast of Part 3 were all looking for their ancestor's hidden fortune - an ancestor which they all shared. I thought that at first they would be competing and fighting with each other for the treasure before realising there's a bigger threat and teaming on it. Also thought that there would be supernatural enemies but the main characters would just use regular guns to fight demons or whatever.
>being this mad that DIO's stand wasn't your headcanon
>being mad that your headcanon was actually built up throughout the narrative and better than what actually happened
why, yes
I am about to recommend the series to a friend, he has only seen memes about jojo. What should I tell him and from what part should he start watching
Before I got to Part 7 I thought was going to take place in the same universe as 1-6, just at an earlier time, and that Johnny and Gyro just so happened to be distant relatives of Jonathan and William. So the timeline would look like 1>7>2. That was put to rest pretty quickly when Abdul and Stroheim showed up.
>What should I tell him
nothing
>and from what part should he start watching
1
Tell him to start at Part 1, and if he doesn't enjoy it tell him to stick with it until Part 2. Show him your favourite non-spoiler "badass" moment if you feel he needs a hook.
1 and 2 parts are pretty boring compared to the rest tho
I really hope that no actual Giorno fans post this pasta thinking that it’s a flattering portrayal of him. It just highlights how much of a Stu he is.
I'd say part 5 and part 7 have the best side characters, followed by part 4 and part 8.
DiU has the most memorable and likeable characters, SBR/JJL have most the fleshed out and 'deep' characters, and VA has a good mixture of both.
>Show him your favourite non-spoiler "badass" moment if you feel he needs a hook.
I mean I would probably show him greatful dead but that would spoil him and anything else would look bad/boring
And I consider every fight a spoiler anyway
idk man, everyone i recommend it to gets filtered by part 1- despite the first 2 episodes being a very strong start, people drop it when it gets to the filler in episode 4. there was another guy that started with part 3 like a retard and dropped it 3/4ths of the way because the pacing was bad.
Start at the beginning.
If not, choose one of the better Part 3 fights. Like D’Arby or Death 13. The other parts are far too plot-orientated and choosing a random fight would spoil the story.
>If you were one of the guys in the group at that moment, you'd think DIO's power was some kind of epic mindfuck where he can do mind control or mind reading or turn you into a schizo by changing your perception of, ahem, the WORLD,
This actually would’ve been a cool alternate power for The World.
「PINK FLOYD」
Racing around, to come up behind you again
Are all the sons of Dio jojos or not? If not then giorno is NOT a jojo
He isn't
Explain the pic.
Rykiel is best Jojo
NONONOONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIORNO IS A JOJO GIORNO IS A JOJO I SWEAR OHONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
u ever play fortnite?
BURNO is the real JoJo of Part 5.
He's the BuBu.
You know, it would be much better if Rykiel, Versace and Ungalo weren't DIO's sons.
That being said,
Best to worst:
1. Giorno
2. Rykiel
3. Versace
4. Ungalo
DIO's additional sons were a mistake.
I thought Mountain Tim was gonna be SBR Speedwagon like how Johnny is SBR Jonathan and Gyro is SBR William/Caesar Zeppeli.
Indeed. They're good characters, but the fact that Araki had to make them sons of DIO pisses me off. Why ruin what made Giorno special by making them DIO's sons?
Araki should've made them not his sons so they could stand out on their own while at the same time not retcon Giorno
>>Polnareff teleporting, unless you accept the headcanon that Dio is an epic prankster that carried people around and ran back to his original pose while time was stopped
Why is this so unbelievable? He wanted to keep the nature of his stand a mystery and he'd done the same to multiple people as soon as he started getting screentime. Dio's character from the very beginning was that of a cheeky cunt
Giorno vs Bruno
Giorno vs Black Sabbath
Goddamn you're about to get a lot of yous
most kino swap
I have no idea either but I love it.
>The colours only get back to normal when Giorno shows up as the dawn breaks
The manga did this bit pretty well too but it's probably my favourite scene in the anime so far
>Joseph has to rationalize that "a mortally wounded Kakyoin literally seconds before dying couldn't just miss his attack by a few degrees (perhaps by being MIND CONTROLLED)
They established Dio's means of mind control in the beginning of the serial, being the flesh buds.
>Pic related
Did you conveniently forget that Polnareff had one of the flesh buds implanted in his head during his introduction? Do you think Dio said those words by accident?
>And then, Joseph has to rationalize that "a mortally wounded Kakyoin literally seconds before dying couldn't just miss his attack by a few degrees (perhaps by being MIND CONTROLLED), no, it was a deliberate clue that he hit the conveniently placed clock tower to indicate that CLOCK=TIME=DIO CAN STOP TIME
Considering the above, there's absolutely no reason why they'd have any reason to believe it's mind control to begin with, given that while they know nothing about Dio's stand, they do know that his method of mind control is done by (presumably painfully) boring a flesh bud into your skull. Joseph surely must have seen every cord getting severed instantly as well.
He just really wanted it to be mind control
The music in this scene was gold
They're as much of a jojo as holly and george were.
Then Hol Horse and Koichi Hirose are HoHo and HiHi.
>They established Dio's means of mind control in the beginning of the serial, being the flesh buds.
No, they established that to be a long range alternative. Safe to assume Dio could do the same at close range without needing the buds.
>Did you conveniently forget that Polnareff had one of the flesh buds implanted in his head during his introduction? Do you think Dio said those words by accident?
Did you conveniently forget that most people that come into contact with Dio are seduced by him off the get go and only implanted with buds after that? In fact the entire hero team besides the Joestars are people that broke free of Dio's spell by sheer luck. Look at how Abdul talks about Dio (and he was never implanted with a bud).
>his method of mind control is done by (presumably painfully) boring a flesh bud into your skull
already explained why this doesn't have to be his exclusive method.
It didn't have to be exactly "mind control", could be any of the things I mentioned in my previous post, and it was clearly what was alluded to throughout the story, that Dio had a mysterious allure and that's what made him special.
Delusional
Dont worry user I have you covered
good argument pal. seems like you got BTFO with no chance of recovery
>It's part of the fun. I think some of the battles could have been cut down because I'm not a pathetic shounenfag but seeing the battle of wits and whacky ingenuity is what actually makes JoJo battles cool, otherwise I don't even watch/read JoJo for the battles.
I think you should know that when I got to this point, I realized that you were a retard who wasn't worth a full response. Have a nice day.
Why does Araki always does shitty coloring like this?
It actually affects stuff. You get figures with good proper colors which sell out fast cause their stock is low and then there's araki colors which are garbage no one buys.
BTFAGS BTFO
triggered
When is jojolion coming back?
Based
Because of the big time skips between parts 1 - 3 I thought JoJo would eventually go sci-fi with space stations in the year 2200 or some shit
you shouldve felt like a retard fot reading the manga beforehand
fucking pleb
19th
Why do people dislike part 6 again?
>Stone Ocean is one of the best MC stands since it's very limited but very versatile which allows creative fights, only real asspull was the Mobius Strip part but even then it was okay
>Jolyne is basically female Josuke, with silly antics all the time but serious as fuck whenever shit gets real
>has the most interesting version of Jotaro
>first half gets called boring but part 3 and 5 are mostly stand of the week with minimal plot progression but varied locations, while SO happens in one location but new things are being introduced constantly
>second half goes full retard but in an enjoyable way
>Main cast is likeable enough and certainly better than part 5
>villian is great
>great final fights
>amazing ending
it just works
Well, not everyone thinks this
lick my willy, queer
you mean Battle and Tooth Liar
>erases time
I think this is where araki fucked up. He shouldn't say that KC erases time.
Instead he should say that KC stops time in a a way that everyone will keep doing what they were doing until he resumes time.
For example, you're walking to the bathroom:
Your location when KC activates: in your bedrooms
Your location when KC resumes time: in the bathroom
If KC hadn't activated, you might have stopped to tie your shoes or maybe get extra tp.
You can't control your actions during the time KC is active
The stakes don't get any higher than the threat of a monkey dicking.
Kaboom and Wacky Lips*
But saying that makes it look like a shittier The World
I was about ready to drop this part at this part of the show.
I'm not a huge fan of fights in any JoJo, I'm probably the opposite of most shounenfags that read it. I'm more about the characterization and what the stands allow you to do in confrontation, not about the "fights" themselves. I really liked Jolyne and the setting and everything. For example, people hate the Dragon's Dream fight while I think it was one of the more conceptually interesting fights of that part and maybe even any part, as it directly symbolizes the "luck/chance" theme that runs throughout the entire series with the Feng Shui stuff and how the dragon itself was neutral. I really like stuff like that. I really liked the stand that only lets people remember 3 things too. I also really enjoyed the "fight" where they're just in the prison court making a bet about whether or not they can throw a ball 100 times consecutively. That's what causes intrigue, suspense, tension and conflict for me, not straight up fights with some minor twist (the fight with the gravity guy was so fucking endlessly dull for me and it went on forever).
Basically, I do enjoy part 6 more than most people, and I definitely rank it above part 5, but then again it was occupied by a lot of stuff that I don't like, which is straight up stand fights, and those took up the majority of the manga. I don't like Pucci much either but the ending was fucking crazy. I wish they did more with the Anasui relationship though. Pucci himself had potential but I didn't buy any of the tragic backstory with him and Weather, I wanted to see more of his rationalizations of why he, a catholic priest, basically fell in love with Lucifer.
>REE YOU DON'T JERK OFF TO MY MEME STANDS LIKE I DO? RETARD OOGA BOOGAA
Triggered autist.
The story is largely uneventful for the first half, and then just stupid for the second.
The main cast is much weaker than most parts, only beating Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency's.
There is little down time between arcs.
Most of the fights are average or worse with few exceptions. They lack any interesting moments or back and forth. Anything close to an interesting moment comes from the fact that the enemy's stand is weird, but the enemy usually doesn't do anything interesting with them, it's just that it's weird.
Most of the Stands, while cool conceptually, are pretty boring.
Absolute worst set of minor antagonists in the series.
I'm not a fan of how they initially made progress by beating up someone, and then that person having a memory disc that just so happens to lead them to the next objective.
Whitesnake is a horrible stand. This would be a smaller issue if it wasn't the main villain's stand.
Jolyne and Jotaro's relationship is fantastic... until it's resolved in the dumbest way possible.
Legacy is a big theme of Stone Ocean, it's what I would consider to be its main theme. So it's disappointing that, rather than reflecting on the series as a whole since it is the finale of the original universe, it was more a celebration of Stardust Crusaders. There are call backs and references to parts other than SDC, but aside from a few meaningful ones, most of them are just simple nods to older parts, which pretty much every part does. The majority of its meaningful connections to past parts are ones to SDC. It makes SO feel less like a finale to the whole series, and more a sequel to SDC.
>the ability to meld the outcomes of different dimensions together is niche
Did you have a stroke?
They didn't use rabbit ears. Is this an Araki moment in SBR?
Heh. I was right. You are a retard.
The point is the bubbles are drawn from Jousuke's body, so he'll disintegrate like Rai or Jolyne if he makes too many.
There are no Araki moments in SBR.
>REE YOU DON'T LIKE I LIKE? RETARD OOGA BOOGAA MUH TRIGGERED AUTIST
Seething
>what is the d4c introduction clusterfuck
I'm a different user, you faget
>Heh
Cringe
I'm not the one who started it and called that user a retard just because he doesn't read Jojo for the fights. Kill yourself.
There is a difference between strategic fights and "Esidisi-sama, it was all according to keikaku! How could a >300 IQ superhuman tactical genius like you ever hope to keep up with me, Joseph Joestar?"
>Soundman
honestly D4C introduction was chilling and absolutely amazing, even if it didnt make sense. Johnny coming back up and shooting Valentine was also fucking cool, I could hear the SBR main theme even when it doesnt exist yet.
yorknew > shitmera ant
you cant change my mind
The Who Shot Johnny Mystery Hour is one of the most memorable parts of SBR for me. I liked it. But if you are referring to that time when multiple D4C's showed up and attacked Diego, then yeah. I agree.
Neither did I faggot. Saying 'Kill yourself' only proves how assblasted you are right now. Stop posting.
I still don't understand what the fuck happened
>he tries to understand Arakis writing
Its useless
That was really poorly written.
Why did jesus tell johnny not to shoot?
YOURE poorly written.
This person summed up why I called that person a retard. The BT fights weren't so much strategic as "I got you" "no, I got you" "nuh uh, I got you!" Later parts trim the exhibition but still have real strategy.
>Kill yourself.
Seething.
Valentine shot Johnny but placed Diego and Wekapipo nearby so that they thought they shot Johnny (neither one remembered firing the gun).
I think...
They all shot Johnny. Valentine came first and gave his shot, then Diego, then Wekapipo. Valentine appeared from the flag and shot Johnny, then switched places with another body. Then I think Diego and Weakpipo were also in the flag and shot Johnny because they thought they saw Valentine.
Its also why the kids at the park and the artist saw all three at the same event. The artist saw valentine first, then the kids saw Diego and some kids saw Wekapipo.
I knew I should have read more classical Greek literature before reading that part.
Based
>tfw you read 'The Complete Sherlock Holmes'
Nothin personel Araki. Now that I think about it, is Araki borrowing from the SH series? He already referenced it when Lucy met Scarlet, and a lot of part 8 is also very mysterious with some similar ideas and points.
>Araki is an immortal vampire
>TFW Araki could have written Sherlock Holmes
>reeeee I didn't start it but I just can't stand the fact someone doesn't like the things I LIKE so I will join the conversation!
I only call you out you retards because you started it. That original user didn't call anyone names etc., he was polite; you jumped on him just because he reads a chinese comic book for different reasons than you. Keep seething.
Part 4 > Part 7 = Part 2 >> Part 8 > Part 6 = Part 5 > Part 3 > Part 1
Maybe it's hard for even Valentine to understand what happens and the part where everyone shoots Johnny was a fluke where he managed to get it to work well but didn't want to risk fucking up so he never did it again.
>actually implying I expressed my opinion in either posts
Are you retarded? I never said what I liked or what I dont like. Are you delusional? Do you suffer from a mental illness? You legitimate troglodyte, you actual buffoon, you abysmal orangutan.
>That original user didn't call anyone names
On the contrary. I didn't call anyone names and then he called me "a pathetic shoenenfag" for not liking fights that are 10% action and 90% exposition.
remember how he molested yasuho
How many stand arrows are there in total?
>you jumped on him just because he reads a chinese comic book for different reasons than you. Keep seething.
You're playing the victim card for someone else? I don't think so. You are that user, samefag.
Five were found in Egypt.
These posts were all made by me and nobody is allowed to say it wasnt.
Are you still seething?
I made the first one, you seething troglodyte.
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Sad
BTards are actually insane.
They're not sentient.
dio looks so cute on the bottom right panels
>1 ticket to captain marvel please
It's okay to like Part 2. It's not okay to seethe when other people point out its serious flaws. And it's definitely not okay to say that it's anywhere near as good as Part 7.
her fights are the best desu