Madoka

what does if not madoka

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did you just insult the VN as well

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fpbp

Thats not Polar Bear Cafe

It might be reddit but it's still good

Yeah, Horizon was monumental

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Literally @chan the animation

>STILL letting reddit live in your head rent free in the year of our lord 2019

Just admit you miss it and go back

Eh, you can't say the industry was the same before Madoka as after.

Did your translator break?

>Did your translator break?
But that sentence works, unlike you, you nigger.

whatever you say SEAnigger. Btw, madoka literally did nothing for the industry. K-ON had more impact that madoka could ever hope for.

Good, and better than pretty much everything that came after it. But not better than Madoka.

The first year of the decade was 2010, Madotard.
But you're right, the AOTD came in the first year.

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>madoka literally did nothing for the industry. K-ON had more impact that madoka could ever hope for.
Madoka killed the K-on.
It changed everything because serious dark anime never really earned as much as Madoka did. Not since NGE I think.

Suddenly, companies were interested in making anime like it.

>madoka killed K-on
K-on inspired a shit ton of copycats. Even now you can see K-on's impact on the industry. What did Madoka give us? Marchen Madchen? Madoka is largely irrelevant now, being relegated to a shitty mobile game. Even Shaft doesn't even make madoka shit anymore because gatari makes them more money.

btfo

unironically this

>K-on inspired a shit ton of copycats
It did, but strangely the amount of shows like it decreased in proportion to all anime shows.
Before that there was moe shit everywhere.

don't reveal the spoilers if you are a madokanigger
8.61 >>> 8.44
I warned you

And now its yaoi/fujoshi shit everywhere

You will never make anyone mad.
You try too hard and make yourself look too pathetic.

Yes, Seitokai Yakuindomo did air in 2010.

Based.

More like isekai.

>Even Shaft doesn't even make madoka shit anymore because gatari makes them more money.
Surely has nothing to do with the fact that adapting some shitty light novel takes literally zero effort, right, you disingenuous nigger?

Isekai is just Kadokawa/Dengeki agonyzing before bankrupcy. What brings money atm is yaoi shit. Thus mappa/madhouse/production ig/a-1 (cloverworks) concentrating on it now.

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Cute.

businesses exist to make money. If madoka was profitable, they wouldn't have waited 6+ years for a sequel

Yeah women don't know how to pirate so that is a concern.

I wish kadokawa would get bankrupt already, that way their good IPs would sell at clearance prices.

>takes literally zero effort
Is this what the average Madoka fan believes?

It's definitely safer than using no source material. You're guaranteed some profit from it.

You replying to your own posts does not "trigger" anyone.
All you do is make yourself look pathetic.

Imagine being so subhuman and pathetic you spam one word replies to your own posts.

I don't think you can have tons of copycats for something that works a lot on surprise. Everyone would just go into all of them expecting it if that happens.
Instead of people using the idea of Yorimoi ending with Lovecraftian shit as a joke it'd probably be a serious expectation if tons of shows were doing it, and probably actually happen.

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K-on was so last decade.

Violet Evergarden is a fucking joke, actually no because besides being uninsteresting it cant even be funny

Madoka actually spawned a lot of copycats, but all of them were shit, no exception (with Yuki Yuna being the least shit, the rest abysmally worse). Revealing that Madoka itself was shit under observation of what it brough to the scene.

You can clai Magical Spec Ops Asuka is Madoka inspired (its not, but madoka sure made the "edgy magical girls genre" in manga revive).

The final nail in Madoka coffin was Fate Extra - shaft tried to spark interest for it by making litteral madoka inu curry episode, but it failed as there was no novelty in it anyore and people did not care about it. Similarly any Madoka continuation will be doomed to fail currently (well it might be financial success just as Cygames anime are due to mobile game, but zero chance would have any impact at all).

Arguably, the biggest impact in this decade on anime industry was Free! and then Yuri on Ice - both negative impact (just as once KyoAni started shitty trend of adapting VNs). But that both and Madoka rendered irrelevant by change in anime landscape itself by intrusion of Chinese, Netflix and Amazon.

Chinese taste for memes, isekai and fujo. Netflix and Amazon to adapt safe hits "big" anime based on classics manga/anime or popular stuff/studios. Same time, the big trend in japan was "remakes", which is also partially moved by Netflix etc. as its relatively safe way to make popular projects with big budgets not risking big failure - and we`ll probably see lot more remakes in future.

Imagine not being ashamed to expose yourself as an low iq imbecile on the internet. Takes guts

tatami galaxy?

>china
youtube.com/watch?v=b6VWpyLtFso

>Arguably, the biggest impact in this decade on anime industry was Free! and then Yuri on Ice - both negative impact (just as once KyoAni started shitty trend of adapting VNs).
No, it was SAO, you dumb faggot.

>he says while r*ddit spacing

SAO is not even this decade, faggot

You probably think the 21st century started in 2000.

Who the fuck is butcher

>SAO is not even this decade

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There were more dark shows like it though, with the same sense of despair as a theme. Attack on Titan and more recently Made in Abyss and Girls' Last Tour.
I think NGE and Narutaru hinted at this new genre I think is emerging. It's less pure horror, more despair and futility.

>Madoka actually spawned a lot of copycats, but all of them were shit
Depends on what they copied. Some anime copied the themes of it and it worked well. See I think it confirmed that NGE did something that most copycats failed at producing, the despair, futility and horror. Some shows in the 00's, especially Narutaru, tried this and actually did it well. Only Madoka sold anything remotely like what Eva sold (although obviously eva is now unreachable in that regard).

It also reminds me of Kaiju films in a strange way. I can see why anno did what he did (doing godzilla), like he was trying to remember what he was trying to do with eva.
Madoka did it perfectly too.

faggoty at it's finest

The anime was.
There was a LN.

IN YOUR HEAD
RENT FREE

i feel like the only people who enjoyed madoka and praise it so much were those who watched it while it was first airing

i watched it long after it aired, and knew beforehand that it got pretty dark so i think i wasn't able to enjoy as much.

>Attack on Titan
Not sure if serious. There's not even a superficial similarity between AoT and the other two, much less Madoka. You should also mention Alien 9, which is pretty much proto-Madoka.

The only people who praise Madoka are the ones who haven't seen Utena

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(You)

Imagine having shit taste and liking an anime just because of how hyped it was

so madoka is some entry level magical girl pleb shit?

>There's not even a superficial similarity between AoT and the other two, much less Madoka
The sense of despair, futility and abomination.
It may have only used some of the themes, but you can definitely say that this one thing got people's attention.

Mami's death and Madoka's hell got my attention.
Likewise, the endless titan caused deaths and futile fighting also got my attention.

There is something about an overwhelming struggle that invokes something in people. David and Goliath.

It is now.

Yeah.

Only Princess Tutu is remotely relatable to Madoka.

Maybe the first season of AOT, but afterwards it turns into a pretty standard battle shounen, except darker.

The 3 types of people who'd unironically disagree with this post are: underage contrarians who try to fit in, trolls who like to get (you)s, people who've never seen the damn show.
There solved this thread.

>but afterwards it turns into a pretty standard battle shounen, except darker.
I agree with that. In fact I stopped watching it.
I only recently picked up the manga after Eren told Mikasa to fuck off.

I agree, 100%

Based

>pure horror, more despair and futility.
So, madoka is poor Black Rock Shooter clone?

Based Okada and Yamakan!

Kamen Rider Gaim and 2 seasons of Thunderbolt Fantasy

Except exactly at this point it becomes nothing like a standard battle shounen. Not the political arc and later the exposition of warriors and Zeke. Did you miss the core point it tried to convey? In case you did: there's no heroes and no enemies now in snk it doesn't fit in any way in the "hero MC defeats the big bad of this arc and goes further". If fact some might argue that MC has become the morally questionable individual.
Anyway that doesn't matter, I know I'm talking to "people" who try to ""discuss" the manga they're not even reading now. Embarrassing.

When is the next Yea Forums stream for Rebellion? I'm due for a rewatch and it would be nice to have it with other anons who appreciate the film.

you are asking in a wrong place, try tranny discord

i will kill you

this honestly.

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>not saya no uta
Pleb-tier taste.

>saya no uta
>work of this decade
Patrician-tier reading comprehension

BRS is unironically the only anime Okada managed not to ruin with her shitty writing.

Because it was already shit from the start.
Iroha and Hisomaso and the only watchable Okada anime (and from what I've heard Nagi no Asukara, but I haven't seen it).

>not saya no uta
>Pleb-tier taste.
is that the only VN you ever read.
you should try out some others and maybe you become less of a faggot

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This is the solid truth.
Butcher barely stumbled into finishing Madoka on time. The anime is great, but it lasts for one viewing and all the magic is gone if you know what's coming.

Thunderbolt Fantasy was and still is his passion project. Everything in the show works no matter how many times you choose to rewatch it. And they don't have to drag him kicking and screaming to make a movie, let alone a sequel.

>shit from the start
I disagree. Also the first two seasons of Wixoss were somewhat enjoyable, but ultimately suffered from forced drama (as literally every single Okada's show) and absolutely garbage premise.

Hisomaso was AOTS until Okada's writing kicked in and completely ruined the show. Iroha I found straight up unwatchable.

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>implying Madoka wouldn't totally fuck up Utena in a fair fight

>The anime is great, but it lasts for one viewing and all the magic is gone if you know what's coming.
Imagine having taste this shit. Madoka is better on subsequent rewatches, as is Rebellion. If you honestly just liked Madoka for its surprise and shock factor then you either didn't understand it or you have truly shit taste.

I'm talking about butcher's best work, you subhumans.

The show becomes largely predicatable, all the hints and pieces like the writings are already solved, et cetera.

I'm not saying it becomes unwatchable or shit, but it loses a lot of it once you've seen it twice-thrice.
Animated Emishi drawings keep being as good as the first time around. And said first time is most definitely on the same level as watching Madoka along with Yea Forums back in the day.

>all the hints and pieces like the writings are already solved
Yeah, as indicated by Rebellion discussion threads regularly hitting bump limits. You're clearly not as smart as you think you are, nor you understand Rebellion as well as you think you do.

who are you calling !akemi

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I'm sorry, but I don't know how to interpret your shitpost.

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who are you quoting

>Yeah, as indicated by Rebellion discussion threads regularly hitting bump limits.

There are threads discussing a 20 minute MLP episode for 9 years hitting bump limits to this day.
Having threads where people repeat the same two arguments anout aything divissive and then throw shit at each other for another 450 posts is not a sign of something being deep. Just divissive.

>There are threads discussing a 20 minute MLP episode for 9 years hitting bump limits to this day
How do you know and when are you going back?

>tfw the best anime of the decade already came out in its last year.

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whote quote

As much as I love Utena, it's definitely not mahou shoujo. One transformation sequence per episode doesn't make it one if the girl in question never does anything magical with it.

Just yesterday we had a very interesting thread about Rebellion where we discussed how well Homura actually knew Madoka as a person, their possible interactions in the loops, Homura's deification of Madoka and whether she's able to perceive flaws in her, and several other subjects that I haven't seen discussed before. Just because you're not able to discuss the film in greater detail than "Homura did nothing/everything wrong" doesn't mean no one else is.

Quite possibly. I can't think of an objectively better or well-rounded one.

Will we ever top it?

news when?

This. If you think
"Madoka is only good for shock value" or
"Madoka is a deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre"
Then you did not even understand the first thing about it.

>how well Homura actually knew Madoka as a person
The asymmetry here is simply mind shattering once it really dawns on you. I mean sure, they spell it out for you, once Madoka ascends to godess/a higher concept, but that doesn't really help. Maybe a bit.

Sweet mami 4 when?

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The Inu Curry art was my favorite.

Why is she so smug, bros?

Because she gets to fuck Homu

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It does make sense.

>Mado gets to fuck Homu
>Homu gets to fuck Mado
Who's more smug?

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Do you mean the asymmetry between how well Homura knew Madoka and how well Madoka knew Homura? In the last thread most anons seemed to believe that Homura didn't actually know Madoka all that well. I disagree

>Do you mean
Yes. And that asymmetry was, as said, even spelled out in the last episode, when Madoka turned to a higher form of being. She literally said that she now, at last, would understand, since she's able to see it all at the same time now. And of course Homu knew Madoka inside out after all this time.

>And of course Homu knew Madoka inside out after all this time
I tend to agree, and in fact I based some of my argument in the last thread on what you said, but there is a case to be made that perhaps Homura didn't know her all that well as a person if she mostly silently stalked her from the shadows without directly interacting with her.
If you're interested you can start reading from there's some good stuff there.

>She literally said that she now, at last, would understand
I wouldn't take that line as a good indication, because if she did, she would have known Rebellion's outcome from the start.

>she would have known Rebellion's outcome from the start
This is, if you ask me, probably the single weakest point in Rebellion's narrative. I wouldn't go as far as to say that Rebellion retcons anything, but Madoka in Rebellion seems far less omniscient than she is implied to be at the end of the series.

At the end of that thread when it went into discussing colorful, I noticed something in the opening: the lizard.
I will have to rewatch Rebellion again to understand what exactly that means, but that probably holds the secret to what you are talking about right now.

>Madoka is only good for shock value
Shock and horror is a major theme of it though.
At least I felt it had that.
It was like Narutaru.

madoka and steins gate have literally the same plot.

/thread

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Yeah but it lost a lot of what it had after the reveals about the truth of the titans. Instead of a having "overwhelming horror", the manga is now merely about futility.

>less omniscient than she is implied to be at the end of the series
I never interpreted Madoka as truly omniscient. I assumed she had the ability to observe everything that happened in previous timelines, but could not see the future: that even if she was an eternal existence, she still could not be in a future that did not exist yet.

I believe she also tells Homura "maybe a miracle will occur" rather than definitively asserting that they would reunite, if I recall the line correctly.

>Thunderbolt Fantasy
1st season is decent.
I stopped with the 2nd because the novelty stopped appealing to me.

Madoka is implied to have seen all previous timelines.
No one said that she could predict the future because if she could, then she would already be pulled down from heaven.
Because cause and effect would be instant.
The only way this makes sense is if you regard free will as a 5dimensional event.

No, they only have one element in one arc that they both have taken from muvluv/all you need is kill. If you think THAT makes it "the same plot", then you are literally retarded.

The fact that this is flipped horizontally triggers my autism to no end.

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There you go.

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Literally every single one of these points can be settled down to "obsessive yandere stalker doesn't actually love obsession, only their perceived image of obsession". It's the kind of character arc that is run as a gag in a comedy harem shounen, and here you are orgasming over it as if it were some high brow literature.

it was above average.

>Black Rock Shooter clone
The OVA or the TV series that we pretend never happened?

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She does actually know and love Madoka though, arguably. Also the execution is really good, better than most anime

This is honestly extremely interesting, and as we have finally gotten to this discussion I have something I wanted to bring up for a long long time:

Compare Madoka with Final Fantasy 13-2.
Both are stories about timetravel that contain 5 dimensional events and a framework outside of time.
Both have a Homura.
And that is the most amazing similarity, Homura and Caius Ballad from Final Fantasy 13-2 have almost exactly the same personality. And both of those works came out at almost exactly the same time.

And both literally pull the girl they love who is god down from heaven - not to please her, but to save her.
In almost exactly the same way.

Well, I have been ranting for a bit now, well final fantasy 13-2 solves exactly the problem you are talking about because it runs into exactly the same issue with exactly the same situation, by establishing the World as a 7 dimensional manifold. Take that how you will.

>obsessive yandere stalker doesn't actually love obsession, only their perceived image of obsession
Which is the case for every human relationship, the difference being the degree of discrepancy between the two. And Rebellion's ending indicates that that Homura's perception and Madoka herself are mostly homologous.

In Japanese she literally says she can see both the past and the future.

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Free will is a 6dimensional phenomenon, Madoka can't see past that.

Oh yes, the execution

>simply mind shattering once it really dawns on you. I mean sure, they spell it out for you

>I mean sure, they spell it out for you
Brilliant. Magnificent. Beyond compare.

Madoka is the best CGDCT of the decade, and perhaps in the top 5 of CGDCT of all time. When you scrape at the bottom of the barrel of anime, you can perceive this sparking gem of mediocrity among the scum and dirt of the genre.

Japanese does not distinguish present and future tense. You could read the line as "I will be able to see the future that will come to be."

See, you're exactly the type of person who thinks they get Rebellion when they don't. Instead of trying to understand the characters and their motives you try to handwave away all discussions by reducing the concepts and characters in the movie to a caricature of themselves and claiming you've seen it before. You make no effort to see Homura as anything more than a gag comedy character, so of course you think it's shallow. You can only get something out of a movie if you actually put in the effort to try and understand it.

>When you have such poor reading comprehension, that you can't even understand a 2 line 4channel post.
What hope do you have to EVER understand Rebellion? I pity you.

uh don't you mean made in abyss?

Ah, this is why I stopped watching after the 1st season.
It lost what it had by that stage.

First post, best post

Not him, but when compared to badly-written garbage like Made in Abyss, Fate/Zero looks like a masterpiece in comparison. It's not AOTD, but don't you ever compare your shitty web manga to a novel written by Urobuchi. That guy knows how to write actually deep stories and not edgy garbage. Fate/Zero and Madoka will always be better than your well-animated turd. Go back to /r/anime, where people actually believe that Made in Abyss is one of the best anime ever.

Well, you're not technically wrong, but as with everything in Japanese you have to take context and phrasing into account. If they had meant that she would be able to see the future only when it comes to pass, they almost certainly would've chosen to phrase it differently. As it stands, it would take extreme mental gymnastics to read it as anything other than her being omniscient.

All of those posts are made by the same person. You are so mentally ill.

No, I'm saying that I get more out of a gag comedy than I do out of your shitty meguca deconstruction, because the average gag comedy has more well-developed characters. Describe homura to me without using the word 'madoka'. Describe madoka as anything other than a generic MC used as a plot device. It's a shitty action-romance and you somehow manage to be worse than the average /u/ poster for not realizing that it threw your entire childish preconception of the genre on your head because the twist to the generic black haired MC is that, instead of holding an unkillable demon lord in their left ballsack like the average shit MC, they are a pink haired girl.

To add on this, you autists are over-analyzing these characters like people on narutofanautists.net over-analyze sakura's motivations. There isnt some secret meaning, she's just an empty one-faceted character in a world that has a few mildly interesting ideas that are wildly mishandled.

>describe how a character isn't one-dimensional
>if you describe more than one dimension, you're overanalyzing
Sure thing, faggot.

>Because cause and effect would be instant.
>The only way this makes sense is if you regard free will as a 5dimensional event.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

users.manchester.edu/Facstaff/SSNaragon/Online/100-FYS-F15/Misc/Descriptive-Analytic.html

>deconstruction
I wanted to give your arguments a chance but now I understand you're just a faggot

analyze Homura:

If it makes you feel better, I was making fun of people calling it a meguca deconstruction, and my actual post explains that I actually believe the show is an action comedy shounen.

>analyze Homura:
>Describe homura

thanks, user, this >don't understand Homura
Which interpretation are you talking about?

Homura the selfish girl, who wished to be the one who saves Madoka, and wants to keep her for herself?

Homura the broken girl, who started out as a friend, but then just got more and more fixated on Madoka to the point of obsession?

Homura the selfless girl, who only wishes for Madoka's happiness, and is willing to sacrifice her own happiness for her. Even if it means that she will never see her again?

Homura the adult who understands the true nature of the world, and decides that the only way to save Madoka and Sayaka from their own self-destructive nature is to keep them from the world that is too cruel to let them be foolish?

Homura the abstract representation of individualism, the absolute antithesis to QBs and Kiritsugus Utilitarism.
Kiritsugu wished on the holy grail for a solution, for a world that would not need Utilitarism, for something that he himself would not understand.
And Homura's LOVE - an emotion that no one could possibly understand - was what allowed her to pull god from heaven and save the world entire. Letting her holly grail overflow(that actually literally happens btw. I'm not being hyperbolic) and cover the whole world in her barrier. And create a world whose purpose is love?

Or the Homura, who is all of those things, all of those things at the same time. Because Homura is flawed. And Homura is broken. And Homura is selfish. Because Homura is human?

Or something else, that I do not understand?

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Thank you, I feel much better now

>Critical/analytical writing
>it's descriptive writing with polish, euphoria and an obnoxious sense of self worth.

Why are all you faggots giving the obvious bait (you)s? Just ignore and continue discussing the actual interesting things.

No. Analysis is analysis of the reader/viewers perception of events and how they relate to your own experiences and beliefs, while description is limited specifically and exactly to what occurred in the source material.

for examples:
blacknerdproblems.com/why-sakura-haruno-is-hated-underrated-unappreciated/
This, is analysis.
This is analysis.

madoka.fandom.com/wiki/Homura_Akemi#Personality
This is description.
naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Haruno#Part_I
This is description.

>Analysis is analysis of the reader/viewers perception of events
>defining something while using the word in the definition

This is like dividing by zero.

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I don't even know who's baiting anymore these days. Except for VEGfags, who are always baiting.

>what occurred in the source material.
The fact that you think that this is not open to interpretation, espacially in something abstract like Rebellion, 100% proves you to be a retard.

And I refuse to believe you can describe something, other than by using the specific wording of the source material, in a way that doesn't add your subjective interpretation of it.

>obvious bait
Yeah, its impossible that anyone could think that Highschool DxD is the best anime of the decade, I even have entire essays explaining the deep Freudian motivations behind the main characters.

>something abstract like Rebellion
Oh. I see. Could you explain to me exactly which parts you didn't understand?

What does the lizard that drops from Madoka when she turns to sand mean?
I'm planning to rewatch Rebellion again to figure it out.

Do you mean homura's earring?

Is that the same lizard that turns to goop during Homora's witch transformation?

I want more so badly. Magia record better not be shit, I know nothing about that phone game.
Nigger, violet is all style no substance.

>I even have entire essays explaining the deep Freudian motivations behind the main characters

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>I'm planning to rewatch Rebellion again to figure it out.
I might rewatch the entire series because I seriously did not understand this show as a teen.

Yes, why does it drop from Madoka?
Not sure.

I have an idea why that might be, but I need to rewatch to see.
I shall make a thread about that again when the time is right

Reminder that Homura did nothing wrong. She's a sweet girl driven by pure and true love and is willing to take on any hardship or sin necessary to see to the salvation of her beloved.

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I love this girl.

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It’s amazing how no one has been able to put something better than Madoka in 9 whole years.

Because the first thing Homura does on any reset after becoming a witch is hunt down Madoka and put a piece of her magic in her in order to be able to track her.

I'm not. I knew straight away I was seeing something that wouldn't be beaten for a while. When something is created that is so peculiar and odd that it instantly gets popular attention.

After she died I kept waiting desperately for an asspull resurrection that never came. Took me a few episodes to realize she was really dead.

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The true test for Madoka is if it survives the MagiReco Anime.

I pray every day that it'll be good

Don't go in with that mindset, you're going to be severely disappointed. MagiReco is extremely mediocre and its main appeal is cute girls.

>its main appeal is cute girls
And rape

>rape
maybe the magireco anime wont be so bad after all...

Made in Abyss is not deep, but it works well as a fun, eldritch adventure.

Cringe.
Based.

Cringe
Baste

I’m a Madoka fan!

And Sayaka too!

Dare I say, trips of truth?

I'm a Homura fan!

MagiReco is great.

It will. MagiReco has revived Madoka.

Based

HomuSaya

Can we at least get a trailer? Why the hell haven’t we heard anything yet!

Homura Akemi is possibly the most inspiring anime character I’ve seen so far. if not she’s definitely up there although I can’t think of a better character off the top of my head.

>Violet Evergarden is possibly the most inspiring anime character I’ve seen so far
Fixed.

True. After I saw Rebellion, a picture of Homura went up on my wall that I say my greetings to every day. Right next to Pinochet.

Did we got too cocky homubros?

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So, what are your favorite crackships?

UrobuchiXHomura

By the way QBxHomu

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Not even the best mahou shoujo of the decade. Maybe 3rd best anime of the decade.

Prove it

That's right, it's not.

>dude flares lmao

I tried to enjoy it but couldn't really feel anything but apathy watching this. Probably because I already knew Urobochi was writing this and had experience with his previous works.

What's better? Yucky Tuna?

Flip Flappers

based lapisposter

really? literally only had like 3 good episodes