The new big 3
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Lol no
No - Big - 3
There was never any "big 3"
get back to your shitty forum and never return
Nope
Don’t deny Bleach it’s rightful place in history
Nah, one piece is 8000% still one of the "big three" because it's still as good as ever and if you disagree it's most likely nostalgia.
This, Ichigo is better than these fags.
Bleach was #4 but there was a powergap .
Unironically like comparing Black Clover to the current Super-OP-MHA ranking.
>DBS
>old
>Dragonball(1984-95)
>One Piece (1997- )
>Naruto (1999-2014)
>Bleach (2001-16)
>Bokuaka (2014- )
>Black Clover (2015- )
>DB Super (2015- )
>Boruto (2016- )
Putting Dragonball on Big 3 is an insult, It is the father of powerlevel shounen battle manga
Oda, Kishimoto, and Kubo all grew up watching it and often references it on their work
Tabata and Horikoshi are just kids caught up watching the second half of DBZ.
Also, DBS is not part of any Big 3, it has it's own place among or even higher than B3
Asta and his fuckawful show aren't remotely important enough.
The big three was Naruto Bleach and Onepiece
Dragonball was literally fucking dead for an entire decade what are you smoking?
>Dragoball
>Big 3
>Boruto
>Big
>Black clover
>Big
>One Piece
>gone
DB was never part of the Big 3. Bleach was.
New Big 3 is OP, BnH, and BC. Boruto's manga release is monthly and its sales are shit, so it's not Big 3.
>big 3
>BC
stop deluding your self.
Black Clover takes Bleach's spot in Big 3, so yes. Big 3 is both anime and manga, so stuff such as Boruto that only have mainstream appeal for the anime (monthly manga releases and sluggish pacing for manga ruin it) don't really count.
It's One Piece, MHA and Haikyu.
It's not even top 5 in current Jump in terms of current ToC position and sales. Stop deluding your self.
Black Clover maybe, even tho it's a blatant Frankenstein rip off it's still entertaining and became very popular. Boku no pico academia started off well as a manga but is not just shitty cancer. Boruto is worse than trash, a mistake that never should've been made.
1-DB was not part of the old big 3
2-the new big 3 are Promised neverland, Boku no hero and the last position is a fight between BC and Kimetsu. So far BC is more popular in the west but Kimetsu is way more popular in japan, and after its anime comes out it will kick BC back to the shadows
End your pathetic live shounentard
Both BC and KnY get trash by HQ the?
>but muh battle shonen
explain why TPN is on your list first.
>DB being a part of the big 3 when it fathered those 3
The big 3 was just a phenomenon where 3 long running series, One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach were consistently popular and sold high numbers for consecutive years.
The name originated in the west back when anime was the shit that 'nerds' watched in the back of the class. Only DBZ was safe to watch mainstream.
Big 3 ended with Naruto, leaving One Piece at the top. MHA and BC's spikes in popularity are the results of anime's acceptance into the mainstream.
Therefore the big 3 will most likely never happen again, not at least until One Piece ends.
>There was never any "big 3"
But that's objectively false.
I'll give you that a lot of shounen references DBZ but also fixes it where it fell behind.
DBS however is nothing but trash, I've fucking watched it and it's far worse than DBZ ever was.
I don't know about the Big 3, but I think we all know who was the Big 5
Dunno about the Big 5 but I know the Big 12
If haikyuu isn't in your current big 3 you're basically just admitting you don't know what "big 3" means.
BC is more popular and better and Haikyuu.
>Black Clover
>Boruto
>Big three
Maybe if you're talking about Boruto's anime, but the manga doesn't do half as well. And Black Clover doesn't even have half the sales, even with the push from the anime.
Black Cloverfags being delusional like always.
Those who deny it are BCfags that making their series a lot bigger than what it's really is.
It is. BC is top 5 money maker
One Piece (by default)
The Promised Neverland
Dr Stone
if a manga is not in shonen jump, it can't be on the big three shonen jump manga. people in this thread need to drink less retard juice
It really isn't, it gets shat on regularly by The Promised Neverland and Haikyuu in terms of both sales and popularity.
Haikyuu doesn't have strong appeal in the west. That's a classification of what makes something big 3. Otherwise stuff like Jojo and HxH would be part of big 3.
ToC is not entirely derived from sales. And BC has popularity in the west.
>DgQgbq5X4AEYvve.jpg
Nothing more cancerous than Narutards posting images from twitter.
>west
If the west your talking about then the big 3 is OP, Bnha and Snk
How much of a newfag do you have to be to make this shitty meme. It's a 2 year obligatory lurking period for Yea Forums in general. An a mandatory read of 20 manga in addition to post anything on Yea Forums. Get the fuck out of here.
>Dr Stone
>sub 100k seller
>ToCnigger
I agree with other two but not with this one.
>Haikyuu doesn't have strong appeal in the west. That's a classification of what makes something big 3. Otherwise stuff like Jojo and HxH would be part of big 3.
Both HxH and Jojo have a stronger appeal in the West than BC though. Heck even Haikyuu is more known for its anime.
BC is treated as a meme for all of 5 seconds and then summarily dropped.
>Dr. Stone
>big three
it needs to have the sales to match it first
BC is Yea Forums favorite shonen
>Dr Stone
>people in this thread need to drink less retard juice
Hahaha.
No that's just a few delusional BC cucks that like to spam the series.
More like a few BCfags who like to stroke each other
retards
only user with any idea what he's talking about. Dr. Stone is going to be a behemoth, you fucking mongs.
>behemoth
>outselled by literally anything in Jump
>salelet even with Toriko tier puch
Nah it dead Jim. God Stonefags is even more delusional than BCfags
>Behemoth
>not even in the top 10
>hit its pre-anime peak and started declining on less than 100k
>behemoth
The new big 3
I have absolutely no idea what bottom right is
This
if im not mistaken, dragon ball isn't a big 3, it was Bleach. Dragon Ball is the god of bigness in any case
Assuming we're not just talking about popularity, I think the Big 3 is it's own thing. The shows in the aformentioned group have their own quirks and context.
I think it would be more productive to think of this topic like a group of flying geese. Each member that's closer to the front of the pack is responsible for leading the others behind it and thus influences them in some way. For example, we have Dragon Ball at the very tip of the formation since it seems to be one of the first shows that really struck a chord with a lot of people.Then this is followed by the Big 3, that helped popularize anime during the 2000s. Then we have the current Jump manga, which as other anons have mentioned, seemed to gained popularity as a result of the increased acceptance of anime within the mainstream.
So in short, there is no new Big 3. The new Jump manga that everyone talks about may have been influenced by the Big 3, but they are not the Big 3.
I hope I'm making sense. It feels like I just went on an insane rant. Also, pic related illustrates the model. What do you guys think?
It's getting fucking hilarious.
>Neverland, Kimetsu, Jujutsu, Actage:
>Guys, we hit a new print milestone. Look at our new cool number!
>Dr. Stone:
>Guys, our manga is SUPER DUPER EXTREMELY POPULAR. No numbers, but please, trust us.
>old big three is wrong
>naruto bleach one piece
There is no Big 3 anymore, it was a product of its time and may not necessarily be repeated.
If there is a Big 3 again everyone will know what they are and there wouldn't be any real debate about it.
Nigger One Piece is still the most sold manga wtf are you excluding him from "Big 3" for?
One Piece still brings absolute profit.
you're retarded OP.
also
>MHA
HAH
What about the big three of the 90's?
>Rurouni kenshin
>Hunter x Hunter
>Yu Yu Hakusho
Or the big three of the 80's?
>Fist of the north star
>Saint Seiya
>Dragon ball
I think big 3 refers to the 3 biggest battle something in jump
Dbz was the spark for battle shonen
Then OP, bleach and Naruto were the 3 biggest battle shonen in jump
Now that 2 of them have ended and OP is the king now (and for a long time to come) it is on top and the 3 battle shonen that look like they will be long runners will become the next big 3
Atm it looks like it will be
BC,HeroAca and maybe JJK
(Keep in mind that bleach started 4 years after OP and was put in the same context)
I think it will still take a few years until these 3 will have established themselves
>HAH
said someone who's thinking BC and Stone is part of the big 3
I didn't even mention Nardo: daddy issues edition and Black Clover.
to me, the most influential shonen shit is still Dragon Ball(Z), One Piece and Hokuto no Ken.
>every top tier anime ever has been a #1 seller from its inception
you people are retards
DB is Stll Big One.
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>Rurouni kenshin
I haven't seen this in a while.
>how to spot newfags
The big 3 is the what they called one piece, naruto, and bleach(in the order of release date), 3 of the shonen that made for the "golden era" of shonen jump(in sales, basically), it made them one of the biggest shonen magazines that it is today.
There is no "new big three", because they would have to shot up shonen jump popularity way higher than it already is, and none of them did, also, it would have to be exactly 3 mangas to do that too, or they would use another title.
>DB is the only one with the "Soul" Attribute
Based.
>rip off
when will you faggots stop using buzzwords to sound intelligent
based
>No numbers, but please, trust us.
We already have numbers of last volume sales and it's lower than AA
>it's lower
*almost lower
What do people even expect from the Dr. Stone anime? Do you not remember that Dr.Stone was pretty terrible until the village arc?
What does Yea Forums think about hunterchads?
youtube.com
>it's a deconstruction of the Yea Forums sings genre
my sides
Based whisperchads.
holy shit
>most influential
>One Piece
>golden era of shonen jump(in sales, basically)
Newfag spotted
Horikoshi was a big fan of One Piece though
This is the dumbest post I've seen today. kys
>new big 3
RIP shonen.
Black Clover is unironically the only thing I enjoy in new "big three". What the fuck happened to shounen jump?
Nothing, you just have shit taste
>Black Clover is unironically the only thing I enjoy in new "big three"
It just means you have garbage taste user
Because it is the only series with a useful female lead.
>Write incredibly elaborate Hentai manga
>Throw some mages and dragons in it
>Disguise it as a Shonen comic
Stonefags are*
you retard
What's that indentation on the floor.
>boruto
>big
its like really bad and gets shit views too
>People still talking about Big 3 as if it's a popularity rank and not title given to OP, Naruto, and Bleach exclusively.
Why is everyone on this board so fucking retarded?
A toilet you dumbass.
>Dragonshit instead of Bleach
this was the bait all along, wasn't it
I thought it was the three most popular anime in general but then I found out it was just of a single publishing magazine which’s looks to be failing now, I guess the age of LN self insert isekai and Idol shows is really doing a number on it.
Please. The best selling LN don't even reach the weakest of the 1% best seller of manga.
Doesn’t change the fact that fighting shonen is dying out.
How the fuck can Boruto and BC be in the new big 3 if D. Gray Man of all things sells more than they do?
Majority of the people in this thread are stupid kids who got into shounen manga in 2009-2010, the peak of One Piece, start of the fall of Naruto, and the shittiness of Bleach that was the Fullbring arc. That explains why this certain demographic has such a hard-on for HxH, because it's fresh in their minds after getting hyped up by the previous generation.
>boruto
biggest heap of shit maybe
Why do people like to pretend Black Clover is popular compared to the others? I don't like or watch any of them but I do not hear of Black Clover anywhere outside of Yea Forums.
>Why do people like to pretend Black Clover is popular compared to the others?
Most bcfags are just Noellefags.
desu I don't think you can count as a Big 3 unless you air weekly. My Hero Academia will take literal generations to get anywhere at this rate desu
Yeah, none of these series are anywhere near Naruto's popularity in the West. Naruto was a pretty popular kids show on Cartoon Network and later Disney Channel. HUGE amounts of kids watched it, and everyone heard of it.
Has anyone other than weebs heard of MHA? Is it on kids' channels at all?
Haikyuu is a disgustingly drawn shitfest of an anime
This. DB is higher class.
Do not compare to five shit.
>implying female leads are a good thing
Are you gay or something?
I don't watch anime to jerk off.
I remember when Toriko was being pushed as one of the "Big Three's" which is why it got so rushed and ended on a fairly medicore note
>Not jerking off to anime
Pleb
>none of these series are anywhere near Naruto's popularity in the West.
Thank you. I've seen too many MHA fans thinking their series is more popular than Naruto in the west. They probably weren't around to see Naruto's popularity.
Even to this day if you say Naruto to anyone who's late teens to early twenties, they'll have heard of it even if they never watched it themselves.
MHA? Only huge anime nerds have heard of it. It's not even a bad show but it's ridiculous to compare its popularity to Naruto's.
No pokemon or yugioh?
I mean Every single black kid in my high school seem to have watched it.
underage
Ever snge black kid is a weeb. Also.
>my highschool
user...
Yeah, Toriko was the manga that made many people realize that Jump push is actually a thing.
pokemon is its own thing, doesn't really count since its not an adaption of any manga.
yugioh is huge mostly because of the trading cards. the manga was never that big, the show even less so.
it's true that in terms of popularity in the west pokemon's the biggest and yugioh's way up there(definitely a million miles above every new show mentioned), but they don't fit the spirit of the big 3.
GET KEKED you fucking NIGGER, BELIEVE IT
idk where this meme that anime has gotten more mainstream now comes from. Yeah the average Joe on the street is much more likely to know what the word means, and there are more virgins pirating more obscure series than ever before, but that doesn't make it mainstream. If anything it's less mainstream than 15 years ago when there were tons of anime airing on Western TV. All the huge ones like Naruto, One Piece, Pokemon(obviously), DBZ, Bleach, and Yu-Gi-Oh!, but even smaller ones too like Shaman King, etc.
Now if I briefly flick through the listings on the big kids' channels that used to air shows like that, like Cartoon Network, Nick and Disney, I see NOTHING.
I meant when I DID go to high school, I graduated years ago and I didn’t even use Yea Forums back then or anything related to only, though barely becuase of it’s retarded requirements, I still remember that black kid that keep talking about Naruto and how much pinkshit sucks.
>Ever single black kid is a weeb
They only seem to like fighting shonen though, at least that what I remember.
Threadly reminder that One Piece is still the most successful manga of all time and that Detective Conan outsells most of the shit in this thread.
One Piece's anime sort of flopped in the West though. I remember seeing it on TV as a kid and loving it but then it just disappeared. Seemed to have been pulled for low ratings or whatever.
Been thinking of picking it back up but it doesn't really appeal to me anymore, and I'm afraid even if I did like it I'd catch up and be stuck in weekly hell.
Every top 3 ranked WSJ by weekly rankings during their runs for the period of the time the magazine was not shit (ie before the Big 3 of OP.Naruto?Bleach took over).
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Surprised Cobra didn't rank highly often despite selling well but the Japs have shit taste so that might explain it.
Nope. Dragon ball is.
Based gundam/Kamen rider shitting on big 3
Aikatsu is on top again?
Wasn’t one piece one of the anime’s dubbed by 4kidstv.
Yeah, apparently they cut a lot but I hadn't a clue since I'd no frame of reference and I was like 6.
Wrong. Maybe if you include video games and other shit, but One Piece sold far more volumes. And if you bring in per-volume sales, Devilman reigns above everything.
Is 4kidstv even still around because it has been years since I heard anything about it.
Wrong. Maybe if you include video games and other shit, but One Piece sold far more volumes. And if you bring in per-volume sales, Devilman reigns above everything.
idk. do any anime even get dubbed for kids AT ALL anymore? other than pokémon ofc. I really don't think so.
desu idek how dubs make money at all. 99% of people who watch them stream them.
One Piece is still the best selling comics made by single author in the world
>42
>92
Astro Boy sold 100 million with just 26 volumes. I wonder how much it would have sold if it had more. I feel like it would untouchable in terms of sales.
>Astro Boy sold 100 million with just 26 volumes.
And Devilman sold 50 million in just 5.
Why do you fucks not even bother to edit out your fucking Instagram watermark? Are you purposefully trying to shill here?
all those old big 3 is still THE big 3
Fucking great ruse, fairytale girls are the best
HQ?
Based Tezuka, Inoue, Fujjio, Tetsuo, and Adachi making the top 15 with under 50 volumes. Tezuka is even there twice.
Why are you removing One Piece?
>Asta
HahahAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DB is a dead horse.
Boruto and Black clover are both not mainstream enough to be considered Big 3 material.
Hero Academia is. Black Clover has potential, but the quality of the anime is really hurting it. It just feels like it has no passion behind it.
Stop reading battle shonen
>Bort
literal fanfiction
>Black Clover has potential
It doesn't have any potential anymore. There's literally nothing left that can give BC a bigger boost.
wtf is goku doing there? he was a generation before the big 3.
because he still famous and bigger.
One Piece and Naruto is the same old shit as DB for zoomers.
>One Piece is still around
Sorry Black Kusover, but you aren't part of the new big 3.
Also, nice contrarian image putting Goku instead of Ichigo who everyone agreed was part of the big 3 back then.
Dragonball super isn't in the new big 3 and classic Dragonball + Z wasn't in the old big 3, it was their father.
>There's literally nothing left that can give BC a bigger boost.
They already got rid of the MC?
Did you also think that when one piece was at the finale of alabasta?
Black clover is in the finale of it's first big saga
This. DB is too old to be in that group since it was dead before Super. If anything, Bleach should be there.
The original "Big Three" was One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach respectively, in that order, and it was barely about how iconic the series were and most always about sales. Stop trying to force this shit meme.
Over here it's still getting dubbed, only the quality suffered a great deal.
why didn't super have adult trunks and adult goten as the lead MCs?
I feel like those two and digimon need their own category.
>comparing BC in its current state with motherfucking One Piece
What a delusional retard.
Is boruto actually popular? Just because it is a naruto sequel doesn't mean it's big 3 worthy.
Not like I know about its popularity anyway, I just doubt it can compare to weekly manga.
>old big three
>Dragonball ended back in 1995
>One Piece and Naruto started in 1997 and 1999
>Bleach is actually part of the Big 3
Don't pretend to be retarded user.
Is hunter x hunter a part of the current big three?
No, it's the king of hiatus.
No, it's part of the eternal 3
Both have been producing new content since the 70s
Is this what Americans eat? You had a perfectly good grilled cheese then you ruined it.
finally someone gets FT
Does anyone even read or watch Boruto?
I skipped through a thread once if that counts.
the anime is just a little kids' show. far more childish than naruto ever was. objectively bad pacing and story too. it's sorta fun for naruto fans looking for nostalgia though.
the manga's just plain shit though.
The most retarded and obsessed narutards.
But it's declining now. Even they started to realize it's fucking garbage.
>Kimetsufags are this desilusional
BC is in the top 3 ranking at TV Tokyo
>back to the shadows
Lmao
Made the same thread (with more text) like 2 month ago and it got instantly deleted&I got banned for baiting/low quality posts for 3 days.
Why is this still up?
Replace old left and right with Vegeta and Freeza.
Replace new left and right with Vegeta and Freeza.
There is only one Chad franchise.
>Kimetsu
Only popular with stupid fujos and the faggots. Atrocious art fuck the potato faces, god fucking dammit, terrible world build and character development. The worst power system in the entire jump right now, by far. Relies on edginess to keep going. The upper moon demons are the only good thing in this cluster fuck series. Notorious for having the worst start of all recent battle shonens, surpassing even Black Clover.
>Dr. Stone
Science manga. Top tier art, but that's it. I'll never be as popular as the other ones, but it is good for its own niche.
>Hero Academia
Medium tier art, but the author can get his shit together when he wants. Mediocre character development and world building. The author doesn't know what to do with Deku, now he has 6 more power ups to reveal. Was this necessary when he already has one of the most powerful quirk known? Repetitive scenarios: is either a training arc/school arc or a villain arc. Notorious for having a good start, but then the quality decreased arc after arc. Overhaul arc was possibly the lowest point the series went till now. Good anime, popular with normies.
>Black Clover
Top tier art. Good world building and good character development (for the main cast only). Relies too much on known shonen tropes, hence people that wants something different will hate it for being too cliche. If cliche is not a big thing for you, then we have some pretty nice battle system that relies on teamwork, more than any other shonen. Asta, although having the theoretical counter for all magic in the series, is constantly facing enemies that challenges his own abilities. The author doesn't forget that the main character is still an underdog for having no magic in several situations. Notorious for having a bad start, surpassed only by Kimetsu. The anime is infamously bad and suffers with the pierrot curse.
Choose your poison, Yea Forums.
the only good shounen are hxh and snk. everything else is ok to dogshit
I'll take Dr. Stone because I'm a sucker for the science stuff, even if the inventions are getting grander and crazier by the chapter. Kimetsu has likable characters and I don't mind the art, but I'm not a huge fan of the fights. I don't read the other two.
I like World Trigger the most but it's not WSJ anymore.
>animenewsnetwork.com
Why in the hell IDOLM@STER and Love Live! are so fucking big and popular?
Stop posting this shit retard, it only includes trackable sales.
Good choice, but
>not reading the entire jump
It was bleach instead of dbs you fucking zoomer there was a while there when there was no dragon ball stuff coming out
Imagine having an opinion this shit.
OH nonono
You can't shit in one series while you're putting flowers to another when it's the exactly the opposite
Also, cope.
BC currently sales isn't really hard to past. I mean it sells worse than pre anime MHA.
The whole concept of a new Big 3 is irrational in the first place
The whole point of it was marketing Shonen to the west with those 3 Gateway Anime, something that you don't really need today
That faggot is BCfags. In terms of how much BCfags jerk each other they on particular Huntards
*par
Fucking auto correct
The original Big 3 is Bleach, OP, and Naruto, and it wasn't something that existed before and really doesn't have a replacement now. It was just the three most popular continuous shonen of mid to late 2000s (04-09 maybe?) on the English speaking internet. Dragon Ball was over at the time and while still popular, wasn't considered the same as them since it wasn't getting updates. I do recall debates if there was an old Big 3 at the time when Dragon Ball was still releasing but that ignores that the term was fully internet based and wasn't even a term being used in Japan.
u mean jump, right?
old 3 yeah and they are still huge
present HQ, heroaca and Neverland
next Kimetsu (promising) then maybe Jujutsu, Samurai 8 (i hope not) or the last saiyuki
>goes back to Yea Forums
>reading Jump romcoms
>reading Shokugeki no Soma
No.
>reading any Jump that isn't Ultra or Grand
You must be at least 18 years old to post here.
>tfw Narutobase and Narutoforum are both dead
Based, the autism over there exploded around 2011 or so
Are you getting this mad that I forgot to write about Hero Academia?
Then here it is: the strongest point of Hero Academia are the variety of quirks. From punching hard to having literal tape throwers, every character have its unique trait that can be good or bad for the situation. Sero, for example, is shit at fighting, but can be extremely helpful in rescuing citizens from disasters.
The League of Villains is one of the strongest points in the show. Every one of them have strong quirks and personalities and the interactions within them and with the heroes are always interesting. That scene when Shigaraki grabbed Deku's neck was pretty good ant set up the rivalry between the main protagonist and the main antagonist. That scene when Endeavor finished off High-end was fantastic and a good example of what the manga has to offer. As most people watched capeshit in their child days, there's this connection with Hero Academia.
Are you happy now?
How Dragon Ball super can sell? It is even worse than Boruto. What kind of magic Toriyama has to sell so much shit?
>Hero Academia
>Medium tier art
>Black Clover
>Top tier art
seriously?
Nostalgia. Didn't they revive a bunch of characters for Super? Anyway, Dragon Ball stopped being good after Goku got married.
Yeah he's wrong, mha should be low tier since the yakuza arc started.
>Boruto
>in the new "big three"
this isn't funny user
>DBS
>higher than B3
Jeez, not even nips fell for that cashgrab it seems.
Not him and definitely not a Super fan, but it IS objectively bigger than any modern shonen right now, OP included. Just look at how DBS Broly did at the box office just recently.
it's borderline sabotage what that ikemoto retard has done. disgusting art and on the chapter and volume covers he puts random softcore child porn that has nothing to do with the actual plot or theme of the series at all. wouldn't be hard to scare off readers doing that even if it *was* good, which of course it isn't.
>Is boruto actually popular?
You just don't know. Here in the US bort airs on Saturday nights along with a bunch of other anime. Here's just last weeks ratings
11:00 Dragonball Super 879 0.42 541
11:30 Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 637 0.31 402
12:00a My Hero Academia (r) 633 0.29 379
12:30a Sword Art Online: Alicization 580 0.28 361
1:00a Megalobox 472 0.22 288
1:30a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable 446 0.21 270
2:00a Black Clover (r) 412 0.20 257
2:30a Hunter X Hunter (r) 328 0.16 211
3:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 341 0.16 201
3:30a Attack on Titan (r) 300 0.14 184
If you want a summery it usually goes like this, shows are aired based on what gives the most ratings with repeats being after 3am and as you can see Bourto is 2nd to Dragon Ball Z, yeah. Shippuden is moved at the back because its just too damn long and only halfway into the series. Now even though Shippuden is at the back, it still manages to pull in ratings. So let this sink in, people are waking up at 3am just to watch naruto filler.
If you want some more countries perspective on how popular Boruto is then here's a chunchyshit chart of 2018 of the most watched show in the Asian countries. To put it simply Naruto and anything Naruto related is close to Dragon Ball levels popular. The gateway meme wasn't just a meme, its real.
the characters are really out of place
Eh, all of that would be forgivable by Nip standards compared to the glacier pacing and the main new casts being garbage. It seems the franchise simply won't ever grow past Naruto & Sasuke carrying it on their shoulders.
That's what happens when your series is drawn by a pedophile and written by a group of retards.
wtf there are actually channels that still run anime?
>Still using the meme that Kubo took inspiration from DBZ
If DBZ didn't exist Bleach would've still existed deal with it DBZtards
Toonami came back nearly 10 years ago.
Isn't Boruto an utter flop? In what universe is it considered one of the new big 3?
Nani the fuck
To be fair, while I don't expect the first few places to vary much, it's almost impossible to get a full view on which shows pull the highest numbers if they only account for legal and semi-legal streaming platforms.
They're not?
manga definitely is. apparently the anime is doing a bit better, probably captures a decent market of 5 year olds in japan along with old fans looking for nostalgia, however bad it is. whereas the manga just appeals to nobody.
The anime is largely ignoring Boruto's art and story so it's tolerable.
the anime was good at times but overall its over-childishness(naruto was aimed at kids too but was never nearly this kiddy), its lack of respect for in-universe logic, and general terrible pacing and story-telling have made me give up on it.
He doesn't know Trite Hackbo only kept drawing mango despite his meager talent because of Toriyama's direct encouragement.
LMAO. But in terms of story structure, Kubo's favorite source for riping off were Saint Seiya and YYH.
Every shonen published since DBZ took inspiration from it. Deal with it. It is one of the landmarks of the genre and defined almost all tropes.
>have garbage art that still hasn't improved at all
>make your new protagonist an annoying little faggot who bitches about every thing despite being born with a silver spoon up his ass compared to his father
>treat said father that people have spent 700 chapters in the original series with like shit and have him become a shitty dad a shitty hokage and a jobber
>have shitty villains who are given nonsensical powers just so they can represent a threat to the original cast
>even the original creator of the franchise wants nothing to do with it
It's really no wonder why Burrito is flopping as hard as it is. It's essentially the GT of Naruto.
so will narutoball super be better?
It's doomed from the beginning, how do you make an interesting story for a new cast of characters without the old cast who are already post endgame level solve it easily? It's their own fault for making such a shameless show just to milk off the popularity of the old one.
So Toriyama loves Bleach... ok doesn't disprove my point
Naw you can say that for Oda and Kishimoto because they themselves said it. Kubo hasn't said shit about Dragonball he said foreign films.
We still need to wait a few decades of Kishi teasing more novels and special chapters revealing insane shit like Sakura having an older sister no one seems to acknowledge or Rock Lee's mom name.
Petition to rename them "The Big Three Filters" because anyone liking any of them are literal man-children or just have the taste of a child.
>Sakura having an older sister no one seems to acknowledge
That's nothing. No one acknowledges that Naruto and co. should've had upper-classmen. Where the FUCK were they?
The novels are actually p good though.
It's on Toonami but being on TV is kinda pointless when everyone streams now.
>MHA
Oh I'm 'avin a laugh
>big 3
It's the big One now. One Piece.
>The treasure was literally One Piece all along
Based Oda
The thing that's most egregious about Bort is how depressing it makes the original Naruto seem.
Naruto was designed to be finished given how Kishi wrote it- even if it sucked ass at the end. Naruto grows up, people die, everyone's storylines get wrapped up, Sasugay reconciles basically, he hooks up with a girl, becomes hokage, the end. Big lessons about all of the conflict that made the Ninja world the way it was are learned.
But uh I guess not. 30 years later Naruto is basically Sarutobi 2 in that he's almost completely disconnected from everything and is a shit father. Sasugay is a shit father. Nothing has really changed in the ninja world despite everything- besides being a ninja being kinda corny because it's relatively peaceful despite there still being super-powered weirdos with clan-related axes to grind and nations hiring out ninja to presumably murder people for them.
Naruto ends up buying less peaceful time for the world than Sarutobi's generation did. What a fuck up.
There's a really big western MHA fandom. It's not as everywhere as Naruto or DBZ was for sure though. It's definitely NOT just a weeb-only fandom though.
The big one is still the king, baby. Doragon Boru>>>One Piece worldwide.
I think when one piece was 4 years old and bleach was new no one thought of putting an established longrunner together with a new series
It happened over time and will maybe happen again with the Generation growing up with the 2015/20 era shonen
>Heroaca
>BC
>[Next SJ long runner to get an anime]
despite shorter series selling more during their run but ending sooner the main point is being an established long running battle series
You should look at which one has sold more worldwide
I don't know the other two but MHA is huge as fuck on every where.
>250k sub offers reddit bigger than OP
>countless of cosplayer on ever anime convention
>most popular anime for 3 year
>Two Heroes is second only to DBS Maximum in terms of West box office
This shit is big as fuck.
BC is kind of a mystery to me because outside of the really, really, really incompetent shitposters here and like 20 people on twitter (including twitter/antiube e-celebs going for cheap popular opinion->contrarian responses by saying it was bad when it first came out, then saying it wasn't that bad later)
The anime is considered pretty universally bad even if people came around on the story/characters being alright, but apparently it does fine in its timeslot. No real merch, one game no one is playing anymore despite being okayish, it gets no fanart, it gets no doujin, no real hype, good but not amazing tank sales. It just kinda keeps chugging along.
I don't mind since -I enjoy reading it every week- just fine but the fanbase is basically ethereal.
Well lets hope its something like Jujutsu Kaisen then because that shit is top tier.
Too bad has the worst fanbase out of anything being released right now
>reddit sub count is huge
Thanks for confirmed that MHA is reddit:The manga. Now go back there loser.
>Using reddit statistics
neck yourself newfag
>So Toriyama loves Bleach
Lol no, he probably thinks it's crap since he more or less said current jump manga are boring in an interview he and Inoue had back when Bleach was just wrapping up/recently finished, but the actual story is that Kubo was sulking like Bitchigo tends to do because jump had rejected his drafts and he was about to give up, but he wrote a letter to Tori since he was one of his childhood heroes, which Toriyama replied to encouraging him to keep pursuing his dream blah blah blah and next thing you know, Zombie Powder began publication.
Cope herofag
I did
>Historical
en.m.wikipedia.org
>Current
comicbook.com
>highest grossing film
en.m.wikipedia.org
How can gay frugivore pirates even compete?
en.m.wikipedia.org
One piece still beats out dragon Ball
Nawwww bitch. It goes Kubo sent the 2nd draft because SJ didn't like the first one, Toriyama than sends in voice of approval to SJ about Kubo, SJ approves Bleach. Whether Toriyama is responsible or not is debatable.
Also...... >when Bleach was just wrapping up/recently finished
Yeah you just answered your statement when Bleach left the only iconic series left was One Piece with the shitty new era.
>if you only look at this one particular category I cherrypicked I win
Get real. Here's another though pill to swallow
comicbook.com
I'm going off how many copies the manga have been sold you are the one who is cherry picking
>Bleagh got published because Toribot approved
Based godly tax evader. Well, Bleach was shit anyway so maybe he did it as a joke.
what the actual fuck
>people are waking up at 3am just to watch naruto filler.
DVR exists.
Does it though
>discussion is about which is the biggest shonen franchise worldwide
>b-but if you squint and only look at manga sales even though they're just a fraction of the whole IP and not even the most profitable or massified OP still wins
If you just wanted to be a retard in a public forum you could have stayed in the OP general.
>DBS however is nothing but trash, I've fucking watched it and it's far worse than DBZ ever was.
Let me guess, you only watched DBKai, right? DBZ as aired was a genuinely bad show.
50 million more copies baby, cope
>Hiatus x Hiatus
>big
Not even close.
>Anyone giving a shit about boruto
>had 2 straight years of hiatus
>big 3
>ranking doesn't account for literally the biggest money makers any multimedia franchise can aspire to
Who does this shit and why do they think it's relevant?
It is when it's being published but generally no
DB will forever be OP's and any other shonen's daddy. That has been sufficiently established. Deal with that fact as you will, bitch.
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i think that one piece guy is still on thew big 3 category
Just because you shitpost HeroAca threads and talk to yourself in BC threads doesn't mean BC "has popularity in the west," Jeremy.
Holy shit, look at Juvia's twin bearing hips. What in the actual fuck is wrong with G(r)ay?
She's insane.
dark plant - yes
My cancer acdemia - maybe
burrito - no shit
They're literally the target demographic. did you watch only a few degenerates like myself watched anything but shounen
>Luffy gets to the treasure
>It's the money Oda made along the way
Bleachfags, how will they recover?!
Um...
>Be 12
>My friends are watching DBZ
>Everyone grew out of Pokemon
>That one fag watches Naruto
>They laugh at him
>Join in because I'm secretly into Girls Bravo and Rosario Vampire
I was a fag even back then
Why is the new big 3 all shitty nardo rip offs?
Because the previous big 3 were shitty Dragonball ripoffs.
Yeah, insanely hot and insanely in need to get stuffed full of baby batter.
Can someone explain this for me? Because I just don't fucking get it.
So there was Dragonball, and later Z. The big battle Shonen that helped define the genre. That's good.
Then there was the "big 3". Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach. Because all three were, at least for a time, really fucking popular. That makes sense.
Why does everyone seem to think there needs to be another big 3? Like it was only 3 in the first place because there were 3 super-popular battle shonen, running at the same time. 3 Isn't some big important number.
people are retarded
>blech
>db rip off