Do we still agree with this?

DB doesn't have amazing fight choreography, it has amazing panel layout and pacing. It's a joy to read.

The fight choreography is inconsequential.

The best in that category would probably be Ippo

>Best art
jojo isn't that particularly well drawn though, in neither the anime or the manga
Araki is good at story building but not Art, not to mention a lot of his panels in manga are incredibly messy and hard to understand, stuff like the Gyro steel ball mirror match is just nonsense to look at.
I think Tite Kubo's "Bleach" beats out best character designs and art

>Best fights
Dragonball z has to take into account both the majin saga and the cell saga as well, and as great as the fighting is in the saiyan saga and the first half of the Freezy pops saga it is significantly lowered in the other two instances.
In terms of Best fights in general that would probably go onto something like Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple. that being said it's a bit unfair seeing as how Kenichi is a fighting manga.

>the most complex power system
Nen isn't that entirely complex, the mathematical system that was established was never utilized and the nen system of power is constantly broken to fit the needs of the story.
To have something be complex you need to continually follow it's rules or build onto said rules, not simply warp it around to suit. It's sort of why specialization is a huge issue in the series
That being said it's not like there are many other shonen's that have complex power systems either though.
But personally I think that Rurouni Kenshin has a pretty in depth system of styles that work against each other depending on fights, and how short v long blade have effects in battle.

>Greatest villain of all time in shounen
Hao Asakura - Shamen king

>Most impressive world building
I think the fact that you go to a lot of different setting in One piece isn't a very good rendition of world building
I think that understanding more about the daily lives and happenings of a particular place and being so knowledgeable of the world that you can imagine yourself living there is what makes good world building
In that I think Gintama places above One piece

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Jojo actually has pretty terrible art for most of its run.
The Hunter X Hunter power system is just "make something up and you can do it" with cliche eastern mysticism thrown in. You can literally make up any over powered power if you put meaningless restrictions on it like "I can only use these powers on a specific group of people that are the only people I would be using it on or I'LL DIE" like Kurapika.
Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't have any notable villains. Toguro is just a macho man with a bone to pick with Yusuke for some reason and Sensui is just MC but if he turned evil. Neither is the best of their type.

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>I think Tite Kubo's "Bleach" beats out best character designs and art
Same face and same costume for hundreds of characters?

Where the fuck did all these newfag Bleach apologists come from? Nothing that manga or author has done can be considered top tier in any conceivable way.

>Yuyu Hakusho has the best villain
How are you so blind?

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I think you're wrong since Tite has a great sense of style and pace with clear cut panel to panel that shows the speed and complexity of hits, with a great understanding of emotion to carefully impact scenes

He also goes into detail in moments most shonen artists tend to cut back on

Just because they're not all wearing exaggerated wacky costumes doesn't mean that the characters lack depth or individualism

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>I think the fact that you go to a lot of different setting in One piece isn't a very good rendition of world building
>I think that understanding more about the daily lives and happenings of a particular place and being so knowledgeable of the world that you can imagine yourself living there is what makes good world building
>In that I think Gintama places above One piece
Confirmed moron.

One Piece is the very definition of world building. It goes into pain staking detail to explain:
-The day to day lives and politics of the people of Alabasta and Fishman Island

- How people can live in the sky and the social issues between its peoples.

- How the world government works and how it's juicidal islands are connected.

- Visual story telling in the form of Punk Hazard and Little Garden

They could base an entire series on the setting of Water 7 and its inhabitants alone.

Nothing for Hokuto no Ken?

>Just because they're not all wearing exaggerated wacky costumes doesn't mean that the characters lack depth or individualism
No. The costumes aren't the reason.

The characters are bland, the story lacks direction and is clearly made as it goes along. The lack of backgrounds, visual storytelling in general and very few interesting character designs really hurt what could have been an average series.

Kubo is great with line work and fine detail but he's still not the best at anything he does and Bleach was a fucking shambles for more than 10 years of its existence.

>I think that understanding more about the daily lives and happenings of a particular place and being so knowledgeable of the world that you can imagine yourself living there is what makes good world building
Skypia alone could have been it's own show and still be a contender for best world building

>DBZ
>choreography
Nigger all DBZ has is grunting, constipation, people shooting glowing orbs at each other and teleporting around. There is no choreography.

lol dragonball best fight choreography

I would have explained my point more but my post hit the limit

The fact that one piece has such striking dissimilarities between it's arc's is what breaks the world itself
It's done in such a way that you can't actually know the world until the arc tells you about it so you never give you a real definitive picture

Take for example
>Uh our setting starts in a world where legends are still being told and most people don't make it past the age of 30 because we're in a time period of diesese
>uh actually we mechs and robots now
>uh wait we are actually in a whole new rule set of world that's cut off from all the others because of the complexity to get there
>Oh no wait we are actually mechs and class systems again
>Oh no we're furries now
>Oh we're feudal japan now

There's litearlly no co-herent world that exists

The fact that Oda can make the next arc about spaceships or Caveman is an example of that

It's basically individual stories meshed in together over a long period that gives off an impression of a huge world, but the actuality of it is that we don't know anything about the world at all other than
>Grand line is weird
and
>there are 4 sea's and all of them are pretty much the same

Yes you're right that Oda does give extra examples of each particular island, but again as a whole none of them fit together to create a world

Luffy might as well be jumping dimension through dimension

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I might pick Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin before anyone from Yu Yu Hakusho. Sensui wasn't that compelling.

>It's done in such a way that you can't actually know the world until the arc tells you about it
Almost as if countries operate independently and aren't all exactly the same. Almost as if the world is heavily segmented and can't interact on a massive scale like ours.

> I think that understanding more about the daily lives and happenings of a particular place and being so knowledgeable of the world that you can imagine yourself living there is what makes good world building
In that I think Gintama places above One piece

One Piece has this in spades, there's better world building in this 3 minute clip than in all of Gagtama that goes hundreds of episodes with no plot
youtu.be/F7QU5gWWygA

Alright tell me about the Skypeia peoples user

How did Dials form and why did the skypeia people use dials are their main form of technological progression
Why do Skypeia people use Extol instead of Bell
How did Angel Island form
Why did they come from the moon
Why do they have wings
What do they eat

Toguro (i assume that image is talking about toguro) is far from being the greatest villain of all time, it's barely the best from yuyu hakusho.
Hell from that pic alone both DIO and frieza are greater, more memorable villains than anything form YYH.

>Yuyu
>Best villain
I love yuyu but literally who from it can take that title?

Except that all of the islands have Levely and a world council and a world government that interacts with almost every leader of a country so your theory is full of fucking shit

Just fucking admit that one piece is all over the place

You know it
I know it

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His name was Zick tho?

>Same face and same costume
Get your eyes checked

>agreeing with any of this
>even implying someone can make such wholesale judgements

>most complex power system
>dude specialists lmao

>greatest villain of all time
>dude tragic backstory lmao

Togashidrones actually think like this

You sir are a retard, it was explained that countries that can't pay the heavenly tribute can't join the WG and that most of those countries, aside from Wano, are lawless shitholes

Put Berserk on all 5 and we can talk.

You know that Gintama does that fucking
>look back at all the hero's and what they're doing
in literally every arc right?

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Also most unreliable release schedule.

>>How did Dials form and why did the skypeia people use dials are their main form of technological progression
Dials are the shells of fauna living in the White Sea. Their ease of use and general applicability lessens the need for innovation since you basically have everything already.
>Why do Skypeia people use Extol instead of Bell
A different country uses different currency. The currency was never shown but it's definitely not gold based or backed by gold.
>How did Angel Island form
A sky island forms when evaporating water is exposed to a certain chemical that gives it the properties of water while still remaining buoyant. Given a large enough surface area, one could easily fit an entire city on it.
>Why did they come from the moon
To be answered later probably. What Enel's doing is too weird to not come up later.
>Why do they have wings
Because divergent evolution. Maybe they give enough lift to fly on the moon where gravity is weaker.
>What do they eat
Skypeia has been shown to have plenty of fish and vegetation. They also have fairly sophisticated kitchens with the heat dials and all.

Meruem is the most interesting shonen villain

Name 5 other countries that aren't part of the World Government other than wano

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The WG doesn't tell the kingdoms how to run their country or try to introduce a singular world culture. What makes you think that everything has to be exactly the same? If you looked at Australia and Canada you'd say exactly the same thing.

At least we're off the boat

Are we talking manga only?

Love all of those but I'm not sure it has the best villain. Don't get me wrong, Toguro was based and had a great design but to me at least his first encounter with Yusuke was incredible and build him up as such a badass but the final battle was kinda a dissapointment. Just a powerlevel fest tbqh and a waste of hype. At this point I think every other series in the OP has had a better villain. Jojo had Dio and Kira, DBZ had Buu, HxH had Hisoka and Meruem and One Piece had Enel and Doflamingo.
So I think it's gotten a bit outdated. You could even make an argument that Shishio from Ruroni Kenshin was a better villain

>moving goalpost
>even then still has no argument
Pathetic newfag

Fishman Island
Ohara
Totland
Skypeia
Elbaf

>toguro
>greatest villain of all time
If the manga ended at the end of that arc maybe, instead we get power creep.
Frieza is the best, most memorable villain of all time

Alright so
>Didn't answer how dials form other than "they just were"
I put that question specifically because it was written as "strange, mysterious devices"

than
>assumption

Ok, you're right

>Assumption

>Assumption

Actually it's shown that they eat whatever the fuck because Oda doesn't give a fuck

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>I got prove wrong so uh uhhh name 5 things fast! the one you just mentioned d-doesn't count bc reasons!
Pathetic. Mokomo Dukedom, Wano, Sphinx, Amazon Lily, and now Germa

user, why are you arguing with some random Gintama fanboy about water being wet. Cease it, his arguments so far are b8-tier so he's probably trying to b8 you into giving a shit about his fanboy opinions.

>HxH is on the list

Upvoted

>Fishman island
Neptune was part of the world government meeting

Ohara was part of the world government and than destroyed by it

Fine

Ok

There's like a shit ton of giants in the marines, what are you talking about

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Isn't it a waste to speedread such a long manga?

>I think that understanding more about the daily lives and happenings of a particular place and being so knowledgeable of the world that you can imagine yourself living there is what makes good world building

I can easily imagine myself living in OP.

And no. What makes One Piece's worldbuilding good is that you get the sense reading One Piece that characters unrelated to the main characters follow their own journey and make their own big moves just like the Strawhats make theirs.

And Oda doesn't just write major characters this way he writes all the characters this way with their own developing story even if they're minor characters that don't have an impact on the Strawhats journey. Oda still puts in time developing their storylines whenever he can. Because of this characters are rarely forgotten and everyone still lives out independent stories that branch out from the Strawhats.

This is what makes Oda's avoidance of killing characters more acceptable to me then other writers. He's not content with leaving a character alive and then never seen again. He's always letting readers keep tabs on minor characters; we see them living their lives or having their own adventures that may or may not have an influence in the core story.

It's from this feeling that you get the OnePiece world is moving independent from the protagonists with the Strawhats only experiencing a single part of it that you get a sense of life from the manga.

This is what it means to have world building and Oda is rarely matched in this field.

>The fact that one piece has such striking dissimilarities between it's arc's is what breaks the world itself
It's not like that's the real world in a way...

One Piece is set in a age pre-globalization but with near modern technology so I'd say around the beginning of the 19th century. Look at the globe then and tell me how similar the America's would be to the Middle East, Europe, India, Africa or China.

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>There's like a shit ton of giants in the marines,
You mean only in the past 50 or so years and because of Mother Caramel. How fast did you read this manga?

Ok

Reading comprehension

Got me there, I stopped reading during furry arc

Hancock signed the island up for world government protection

former member nation of the World Government, only got cut off this arc

If it build up minor characters doesn't that make the manga a character story rather than a story about "THE WORLD"

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Fishman Island only just became part of the WG
Ohara is because I was being cheeky
Marines have a massive boner for giants. If Elbaf were actually a part of the WG, they would have tons more than just the six (two of which were forced to join) or so shown. reading between the lines makes it obvious they aren't associated.

True of the later arcs like Cell and Buu, and way more true of later stuff like GT and Super, but if regular Dragon ball, and even the Saiyan and Frieza arcs of Z are not really like this.

That's why there are a lot of people who like Dragonball, but pretty much hate everything after Frieza because it is way less about the martial arts and training, and way more about giant laser beams and energy balls

>Actually it's shown that they eat whatever the fuck because Oda doesn't give a fuck
Fish is a specialty and favourite among Skypieans.

>the series doesnt completely neglect one aspect of its story
>that means this other aspect of the story is INVALID
Nigger

show me a panel of skypeians eating fish

Read the manga

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>and even the Saiyan and Frieza arcs of Z are not really like this.
Nigger Frieza was the epitome of grunting, monologing and lazer beans. The deterioration of the series already started out towards the later parts of DB

These characters make up the world that our protagonists are exploring so no. You were already disproved over your expectations of a entire world to somehow share one mono culture.

How can you have a world that's both set in the future and the past?

It logically doesn't make sense

I can't go to America right now and fight laser robots and I can't go to fucking japan and play samurai

One piece's world building is fucking nonsense and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind

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The anime, which was filled with episode after episode of filler, but we're talking about the manga here.

That's how settings work

You build up a particular place and you work to the rules of the world to expand it until you change the setting to something else

If you mesh 1000 chapters of random settings together it doesn't make them connected just because they're all under the same title

Fuck you

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>True of the later arcs like Cell and Buu, and way more true of later stuff like GT and Super, but if regular Dragon ball, and even the Saiyan and Frieza arcs of Z are not really like this.
The goku vs kid buu fight and piccolo vs 17 are two of the best fights in DBZ period.

>That's why there are a lot of people who like Dragonball, but pretty much hate everything after Frieza because it is way less about the martial arts and training, and way more about giant laser beams and energy balls

Powerlevels and giant energy balls saved dragon ball from cancellation user.
Shit, shortstack chichi using that head energy attack was the first time an energy blast was used and gave toriyama the inspiration for the kamehawave.

>moving goalposts
And even then you still fail. You can go to america and see laser robots, and you can go to africa and see people who live in mud houses

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I don't like the faggotry of the JoJo universe. Especially Part 5, everyone looks like an HIV infected Tranny.

The rest is ok.

>How can you have a world that's both set in the future and the past?
I'll dumb it down for you: Void Century, Red Line, trade/information disruption, chaotic Grandline seas

>How can you have a world that's both set in the future and the past?
How can one group of people have steel manufacturing, telecommunications, advanced sea travel, and firearms and another group just have pointy sticks at the same time?

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Sanji made that though
Hence the limes

Skypians shouldn't be able to have fruits or veggies in their world since earth is precious

Pretty sure we never agreed to this

I also found the page where it explains how Skyislands are formed

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>falling for bait
>falling for bait this rotten
>Arguing with a retard who thinks A FUCKING PARODY has deeper worldbuilding than OP and it's retarded lenght.
just nuke this fucking place if the standard for bait is this fucking low

But africans are the exception not the outlier

If Skypeians didn't eat lobster, then why was it in the kitchen?

>hurr durr I'm a retard

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>AIzen isn't the greatest villain in shonen history

Wow what a shit image

>The goku vs kid buu fight and piccolo vs 17 are two of the best fights in DBZ period.

Yeah, and those were such memorable fights because they were knock-down, drag-out fights. The ki beams were used sparingly, and people thought they were great fights because of how physical they were

>Shit, shortstack chichi using that head energy attack was the first time an energy blast was used and gave toriyama the inspiration for the kamehawave.

Thats great, but they were still used fairly sparingly and in clever ways. Remember that time Goku fired a Kamehameha with his feet? That was clever and unique. Remember how tiny Goku's first Kamehameha was when he was a kid? Now they level mountains, and just the shockwave from firing one nearly destroys the planet. On top of that, everyone kind of had a signature ki blast move, that was unique to them, and then it was just like "Ah, fuck it. Everyone can do everything, ever."

That's why even moments like Ten using Kikoho on second form Cell was kind of cool, because it wasn't even really doing any damage to him. It was just a stalling tactic, and he was using it hold Cell down for a little while.

Those are Abbos. I specifically chose them because they were cut off from the rest of the world.

I meant that they don't eat any of the vegetables or fruits yet have the same complexity as normal humans

Yeah no shit they eat the fish but you can't simply always eat fish and retain your human look for generations

Since humans are vegetarians who ate meat when it was required.

How come skypians can survive?

The picture he's posting is of Native Australians.

All Africans were able to manufacture steel and had organized societies and some even had gunpowder and advanced weaponry. Of course you could have people like bare-naked Zulus in Southern Africa and pic related in Western Africa which only furthers my point.

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>Jumpshit thread

It's like watching a bunch of monkeys fling shit at each other.

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I gave you evidence proving that they eat fish. Post a pic showing them saying they don't eat fruit.

Where do they get the fruit from?

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we're all in the same boat, brother

>Now they level mountains, and just the shockwave from firing one nearly destroys the planet.
The first actual kamehawave leveled a goddamned mountain when it was introduced.
Master roshi blew up the goddamned moon with another one.

Also the best fights you can show in DB are inferior to the best fights in DBZ. You only pretend that they are better because no energy blasts.
You're bitching about motherfucking nothing and showing that you're just a snooty cocksucker who never liked dragon ball in the first damned place.

It's not like Sanji had limes in his pocket. There's clearly some level of agriculture available. Also they could have eaten anything on this list onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Animal_Species/Sky_Island_Saga

Skypiea doesn't have fruit?

>shifting the burden of proof

I'm pretty sure sanji always keeps limes in his pocket to prevent scurvy for the crew

But how can plants grow in the air if they don't have soil?

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Plants can't grow in the sky but you can uproot a plant deposit in sky material.

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* and deposit it in Sky material

They grow cause if they have paved roades in Skypea than what's stopping them from planting? And if Gol D. Roger went to Skypea maybe that's how they got plants and dirt. Its been awhile since I've seen the Skypea Arc. Personally I think that the best Anime Villain was Garlic Jr. If he didnt get blasted into the Dead Zone. Think about it. He did everything all the others couldn't; He got Immortality and its Canon cause theres 1 episode in Z with him

If this is a parody then it's spot on.

This is the greatest post I've read on Yea Forums in years

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