just think about it most of isekai stories always go to a copy-paste JRPG world where you find >generic poor village >generic kingdom that looks good but its actually corrupt >generic monsters such goblins,slimes orc etc >generic races that have no costums of their own or different culture and they all have a country of their own >maps serve 0 purpose
it seems like a great waste to put 0 creative effort if you are gonna write fantasy, most of these shows have have the exact same world with only the MC getting a different power. If you took the mc out you would have 0 interest left in that fantasy world Now imagine if we got an isekai but with a world like the one in made in abyss
Because everything has to bend over to fellate the MC as hard as possible. It's all about the power-wanking, good world-building would just get in the way. Most readers don't care, so let's just skip over it.
Better question is why do OPs answer their own questions?
but to give you another answer is that Isekai aren't about the titular "other world" they take place but more rely on the viewer being entertained by the person transported adaption of said world, meaning the world itself can be bland as fuck because the real draw to Isekai isn't the worlds or their inhabitants but how the MC reacts in it.
Joshua Powell
>why do OPs answer their own questions? i didnt got it? idk man, i think you could really cash in an interesting world that drags people from our world to save itself, you could always expand on it, maybe seeing it grow through the passage of time even with a different group of adventurers every season
Eli Hill
it's because isekai is bottom-barrel trash, of course they would have uncreative trash settings
Noah Clark
Because it's fantasy and fantasy novels almost always have trashy worldbuilding. It's an excuse to place characters in a "mysterious and interesting world", but putting thought in the world is a rarity.
Xavier Carter
Isekai authors, outside of maybe a couple, are not interested in the larger world. Just how the MC reacts to it and when I say reacts, I mean how hard he (or she) can godmode through the world and pick up a colorful cast of characters (harem) along the way. It is not about the world, it's just an easy setting to make
Just to be clear though, this is talking about modern LN-trash based isekai. I feel like older isekai were way better about the world building
John Brooks
would you ming giving in some examples?
David Garcia
Modern Isekai isn't about the world, nor is it about telling a story. It's a power fantasy where the author can imagine 'What would I do if I was suddenly really special and powerful with a bunch of cute girls and adoring followers by my side?' Overlord, Slime, Shield Hero, all of these follow the same basic principles of showering the MC in what would make the reader/author happy. (Shieldbabies who are going to cry about Naofumi being unjustly accused need not apply, given that it all served to make the character seem like a relatable victim who was rewarded with the comeuppance of the bitch that wronged him, many times over.) It's so creatively bankrupt that many of these things use a fucking STAT SCREEN - it has so little respect for its readers that it assumes they'll actively enjoy the limits of a mass-produced videogame being overlaid onto a supposed fantasy story, to make it more controlled and familiar to them.
The average isekai author has no interest in creating an interesting world, their 'story' is just a laundry list of things they wish would happen to them.
Landon Green
InuYasha, Magic Knight Rayearth, El Hazard, and fucking pic related. I think there are even more that now i don't remember.
The majority of isekai are written as escapist fantasies first with the world aspect second and only to facilitate eliciting the most action/drama/heroism/'interesting something' happening to our 'self-insert' author.
Chase Johnson
my fail, it was for >
Jordan Adams
Notice how all of these are not LN, also from a different era. Heck, they also have difference audiences (Rayearth and InuYasha are shoujos).
Thomas Robinson
Escaflowne
Isaac Russell
fantasy peaked with Tolkien desu
William Bell
Aselia too despite the letdown that was Seinarukana. How about Mondaiji?
Brandon Green
Fantasy is and was always primarily a genre for retards. This is just a continuation of the trend.
>InuYasha are shoujos Yeah, I mean it was serialized in Weekly SHOUNEN Sunday, the famous shoujo magazine.
Carson Thompson
>also from a different era
The different era is a real thing, There is always some good are anime even now, but I'm a bit nostalgic for the 90s .
Jaxon Wilson
>El Hazard Its the closest thing to modern isekai out of that list. Its basically a high school boy who gets a harem and its overpowered. No different than your average post 2010 isekai >Rayearth The worldbuilding is also generic as fuck aside from the mecha. Is basically built like an old rpg, with the twist being that its actually real and not a videogame
Isaac Collins
Mushoku Tensei is the answer to almost all Isekai related grievances, it had good worldbuilding, but still left mysteries to explore, an entertaining if generic plot, and managed to stave off haremshit until the last third.
Dominic Barnes
No genre is for retards if written with competence. The problem with fantasy is that too many people use it as an expendient to get around of their ignorance. A lot of Sci-fi stories suffer from the same problem, but since it's "science", at least speaking, readers tend to be more condescending despite the fact that so many things are still magical craps like super tecno hackers that make spells with computers..
>No genre is for retards if written with competence. That's true, see " primarily a genre for retards".
>A lot of Sci-fi stories suffer from the same problem, but since it's "science", at least speaking, readers tend to be more condescending despite the fact that so many things are still magical craps like super tecno hackers that make spells with computers.. And this is also true. But the fundamental difference between Sci-fi and fantasy is that many Sci-fi authors make an effort to explain the technology and the world their work is set in. And lots of Sci-fi is closer to our current society which makes it much easier to write. But there's a main issue that fantasy and Sci-fi share, and that is that novels are a terrible medium for stories set in worlds which significantly diverge from current or historical societies. That's why so many fantasy stories are just the middle ages with magic, elves and orcs. The more different the world is, the more infodumping is required, which in turn messes up the pace of the novel.
On that note I find it funny that most fantasy novels can't answer a question from No Game No Life. Why are humans even there? Humans are often portrayed as weak, stupid and untalented in magic, but they somehow manage to beat demigods, elves and dwarfes into submisson. How? The common explanation is that humans zerg rushed the other civilizations, but this explanation doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. It's not like fantasy woman spawn fifty adult man with sticks in a year, but that's how many authors treat the human race.
Evan Long
>The worldbuilding is also generic as fuck aside from the mecha. Is basically built like an old rpg, with the twist being that its actually real and not a videogame The second arc is way different from the first, also the twist with the villain was pretty cool.
>The different era is a real thing, There is always some good are anime even now, but I'm a bit nostalgic for the 90s .
I mean, Isekai in the '90s were creative and a way to have a relatable protagonist throw in absurd situations (and sometimes explore storyline that touched the concept of parallel worlds, which were popular back then). They were proper stories with proper settings with many characters which lives didn't resolve around the protagonist.
Nowadays Isekai are for morons who never left the house and only know how people interact through anime (The most recent example being Shield Hero) and basically exist to give the audience some kind of cheap validation.
But they're not. They're always really good in the beginning for my escapism. Whatever comes after that is usually their own fantasy that I don't really care for since I'm just looking for the good bits. Shield Hero's world looks extremely comfy for example, but the wave is trash and the cities/villages have little to no fleshing out also the royal guards suck and fuck Shield Hero's dumbed down of other characters so Naofumi can shine. Anyways, maps are good immersion since I such at imagination. The more generic, is usually the better as if it's too tight in a subset like Made in Abyss then I can't immerse myself. Made In Abyss is a giant ass world and yet it only has like so many document creatures and they're basically all death sentences. It's no fun in the MiA world despite how cool it is. In a way, I guess it's impossible to incorporate every possibly good thing into one world unless it wasn't a LN or something. I can't figure out a good medium though. Games are good, but limited because they feel the need to tell a shitty story. Xenoblade for example has a great world, but it's also trapped by game gimmicks that render like 90% of the items you get useless. Crafting for example is terrible in stories, but a really fun thing to think about because you can go about every step whereas a story can't do that, it just have to tell you what happened since you can't show every intricate part of the process through words.
Andrew Lopez
The problem isn't really the infodumps g. It's that the isekai audience expects nothing but constant cheap masturbation. Even for a normal fantasy anime a tolkien like infodumps would be problematic.
What would probably work exceptionally well in a fantasy anime (not an isekai though) is an approach like Terry Pratchetts for the discworld novels where the infodumps mostly become comedic insertions between between parts of the plot.
James Brown
ITT: anons preach to the choir
Carter Kelly
>infodumps The more infodumps the more the author is trying to fuck with your wish fulfillment. That's why they're bad. Just keep it simple and open. Don't do anything risky or stupid. Have the relationships between the characters chill with mild conflict.
Joshua Butler
user, this was a more general statement about fantasy novels. It had nothing to do with isekai.
Leo Russell
isekai is written by 'tards for 'tards
Jonathan Diaz
You could say that for just about any piece of literature.
The cardinal sins of Isekais 1. Excessive use of info dumps 2. No real establishing backstories for the protagonist 3. The protagonist has no personality or is just a self insert for the author 4. The setting is just a video game 5. Harems 6. The protagonist is over powered and practically is not threatened in any capacity 7. The world bends to the protagonist's will simply by his existence
Camden Richardson
Is MiA an isekai?
Nathaniel Morales
Regu is kinda the author's self-insert
Brayden Morgan
You don't even need to look at isekai stories when you can just look at Yea Forums isekai plot thread. They ignore anons who actually done new and unique world building of isekai, yet when it's something like "it's your generic isekai except the mc is... (insert your generic not unique 'different' MC quirk that will be only used on episode 1)" posts like that got guaranteed replies. You can say anything about isekai being generic world building OP, because that's what shit head likes to see. They want MC that they can relate the most, even if it is only just on the first episode, that's how desperate user (and most nips) are. People that do like the world building they read fucking novels, or even actually published one.
So fuck off. There were lots of interesting world building but YOU OP and every faggot retard in Yea Forums just choose to ignored it, and whine about it like a fucking pigs.
Damn this post is spot on. Why does Yea Forums have to be like this? So is the way to make a successful isek/a/i to write it as generic as possible?
Grayson Collins
You don't need to be that mad just because no one paid any attention to your very original and unique ideas. Better luck next time.
Sebastian Robinson
>No genre is for retards if written with competence Fantasy written with competence simply becomes sci-fi user.
Ayden Bennett
That's not how story genres work. Scifi is speculative fiction while Fantasy is allegorical. Scifi has a big "What if..." attached to it and the potential to explore theoretical societies build on strange or impossible geology.
Fantasy on the other hand takes what already exists and extends it into hyperbole. You got the money loving Jew race. The reclusive and secretive Japanese race. The Conspiring Chinese Race. Even gender roles are exaggerated to the far end of the spectrum. You get these dog demi humans, the males are hulking werewolf rapists that are more beast than man, while the females are servile lap dogs beauties with only animal ears and tails.
A fantasy world might put the world on the back of a turtle. It's partly speculative but mostly metaphorical to say the world to slow to change, or that it's the natural order to live off the backs of others.
Jack Long
because they all come from the same fucking template
no originality or branching out whatsoever
Jace Sanders
You forgot Fushigi Yugi and Fushigi Yugi: Genbu Kaiden and fucking Escaflowne.
Kayden Russell
It's like, why are desert cultures full of merchants and traders? It's because a desert wouldn't sustain a society without a network bring resources in. So like, in Dune, "The spice must flow" First because there's nothing else to cultivate on the planet, and second, the spice is what allows for FTL travel and without it the human space civilization would be disconnected and shatter.
So Dune is generic science-fiction. "Generic" isn't a bad thing - it's a categorical thing. If you made Dune the setting of an Isekai, it could then transform into a Fantasy genre, simply by the juxtaposition of a socially inept neet as the protagonist in a world that's network-and-engage or die because freedoms and choices come with the terrain.
This season's Slime Isekai is kinda bullshit because "moderation" and "teamwork" can't compensate for limited resources. Taken to the extreme, Slime is going to have to learn that death as well as summoning people from other worlds is a necessary evil in order to sustain itself.
Even Cardinal in Sword Art Online is aware of a fact like that, and is opting to suspend everything in a null state before shit hits the fan.
Sci-fi is magic and fantasy written for people who think of themselves as too mature for a wizard robe.
99.9% of Sci-fi breaks apart once you remember nothing can go faster than light and "muh wormhole/warp drive" is basically magic.
No amount of pseudoscience technobabble will remove this fact.
Aaron Bailey
i just want to see some Isekai in dwarf fortress for example >that one wasted dwarf who bited off other guys head just because that guy touched his stone picture of screaming cheese and undead zebra-wolf
I agree with this post. Going by the sheer amount of isekai that are released you can probably find at least a couple with world building to your liking, but its easier to bitch about the ones you hate.
Caleb Jackson
Teach me everything you know.
Colton Reyes
Retarded.
When people use those words, they denote the setting, not some random misinterpretation by some dumb fuck on Yea Forums (ie. you).
>Scifi is speculative fiction while Fantasy is allegorical >the world on the back of a turtle is a mostly metaphorical to say the world to slow to change >isekai means socially inept neet protag All retarded. Sci-fi can't be allegorical? Retarded. Magic is a metaphor? Retarded.
You're basically just one big fat abortion, and all you do is spout retardation after retardation.
Christopher Reed
>Some people are incapable of perceiving the metaphor You don't even know what metaphors are used for user. They are used to help explain complex concepts in terms of simpler ones, and are not there to randomly replace things so that shit can seem cooler for dumb fucks like you.
Colton Wilson
Living off of others, togetherness, "harmony" is usually a theme, if not THE theme of a fantasy story. One of the more basic elements of these types of fantasy stories is the presence of a "Dark Lord" living in the cold north. The presence of the Black Tortoise motif is optional, but both are an allusion to the story of Divine Turtle in the North.
Quick Mythology: Empire ascends to heaven by leaving his earthly desire behind. Literally his Stomach and Intestines, but figuratively his "appetites". These organs became the Turtle and Snake demon that terrorize the land. The empire has to return and take responsibility by whipping the demons into shape, and training them to be beneficial and symbiotic with the land. Following your "gut". Following the point of the compass needle. Will just lead you to the Black Turtle "North". But the presence of these "appetites" are essential to navigating and living in the world.
The Dark Lord, typically became the dark lord via rejection of somekind. As for the summoning of other worlder - there are layers of meta. With MMOs, they're pretty transparent about the fact that the game world needs players to exist. A song needs something to sing about but also someone to sing it. So it's pretty easy for fantasy to lean into musical motifs. In Genmu Senki Leda, the power the dark lord seeks is within the melody of a love song this girl wrote. Classic fill-the-hole-in-my-heart bad guy motivation. No man is an island. Sometimes that island is a turtle. Living together in harmony. In SAO Alicization, the VR world is on the Ocean Turtle. And the A.I. beings are being engineered for war. In That time I was reincarnated as a Slime, there are all these otherworld children summoned to fight wars, but they're unstable and need to meld -or whatever- with great spirits so they don't burn out.
I guess you don't read much poetry. Maybe there's a reason you can't appreciate anything.
Orly, That's how language work? Words mean what you chose them to mean? Why bother learning anything in school? Oh, wait, you probably didn't learn anything because you were too conceded and obsessed with thoughts of killing your classmates because nobody would do things your way. Just off load your communication skills onto everyone else. If they can't understand you - they're dumb - and it's totally not a reflection of your social ineptitude at all.
Setting and Genre mean the same thing now. Sure. Ok. Genre, Generic, Gender, Genus, General...and setting. Makes perfect sense. How could I not see such an obvious relationship.
I think it's because SF inherently requires more effort on the world building side and "effort" is basically anathema to modern Isekai.
Josiah Gray
It exists. Problem is people are using a really narrow definition of isekai (fantasy settings with some sort of game mechanics and self-insert OP protagonist) as the norm instead of a niche.
Because everything fantasy always goes back to fucking Dragon Quest for Japan.
Kevin Wood
pic related is fucking time travel, you mongmong.
Luis Lopez
I think you using isekai in a literal verbal sense "otherworld" and ignoring the actual category the name is attached to.
If I had a group of blue circles, and I named that group "blue" then asked you to contribute to that group. What would you do? Add anything that's blue into it? Can you understand "blue" in this case is a name and not an adjective? Adding red circles or blue stars for novelties' sake would be retarded.
Do you understand that "isekai" is named for the story convention and not the setting. Not every scifi story is automatically an "isekai" because of it's setting. Not to mention from a marketing standpoint it would be considered false advertising to label something "isekai' for its setting rather than story. Ignorance won't excuse you from a crime.
Luke Green
>Do you understand that "isekai" is named for the story convention and not the setting.
I think that was the point he was making, though?
Jose Walker
Re;Creators did it first but executed poorly.
Cameron Johnson
Great underrated series but it's not an isekai.
Also World Trigger kind of qualifies since it has sci-fi tech and at least two of the main characters are from another plane/world but the story takes place in earth... Also the anime is shit so if you want to get into it read the manga.
Why do I get the feeling that both you and the OP made some "creative" setting that didn't appeal to anyone, and now you're lashing out?
Zachary Edwards
>scifi isekai is this even possible though? i thought most isekai story hinges on the MC bringing some broken modern tech/skill/concept with them to a civilization that's orders of magnitudes more assbackward, i can't imagine it can work if the position is reversed
Ian Lee
You're asking why world building is so bad in a genre that's LITERALLY based on the precept that the author has run out of ideas so he's relying on the absolute bottom of the barrel shitty trope of "an ordinary guy who just wants to be left alone JUST LIKE YOU suddenly finds himself in the world of his fantasies where he is super powerful!!"
Well you know how in Warhammer 40K the imperius of man would do a lot better if they just unlifted the semiban on new technology and ditch close combat at all? Imagine that as a isekai where one guy helps a space empire improve by just brining in a lot of common sense.
It's easy to write, which is a big thing considering how most of isekai comes from amateur novelists. The other reason is that it's easy to understand for the reader since everyone knows what a goblin or a slime is. And if you need a small low-tier monster it might as well be a goblin rather than forcibly invent a new one.
Samuel Martinez
>generic Generic becomes so common that it is recognized as generic because the basic structure of it works. It's generic, ironically, because it's almost always good enough. A talented writer can make it work for him, and work well. Look at Lord of the Rings, Stormlight Archive, ASoIaF, whatever - they're all 'generic' fantasy. Oh sure, Stormlight has some sort of background conspiracy, Tolkien's Legendarium is massive and deep, ASoIaF tries to go for a more grey angle, but the basic forms are the same and nobody is really going to argue that they're poorly written.
What you're complaining about is poor writing, and ironically, if you're shit at writing then a generic setting is safer for you, because at least you have a model to knock off.
Parker Morales
Stop reading Isekai. Contemporary iseka is vapid trash and 80% of the series will sooner or later get axed.
Also it's really funny when you read three different Isekai and mix them up with each other because their settings are almost identical bullshit.
Robert Collins
This is literature in general to be honest 95% of everything is rubbish
Ryan Cooper
there is no world building. average isekai is just copy pasting shit from dragon quest
Colton Gray
Yeah but the problem is rather that we are limited when it concerns manga. A massive amount of books usually gets an international release which makes it easier to avoid those type of books. With Isekai manga it's getting annoying when every second newly picked up series is Isekai because scanlators get their dick sucked harder by the average anime fan.
Have you considered MC not hogging all the females he meets into a harem to be a good thing?
Zachary Adams
The girl that liked him fucked another guy in front of him while he watched and he delivered her baby. Get your shit out of here.
Landon Hughes
>liked him So? Does MC have romantic interest in her? If not - this isn't NTR. I thought he became asexual god-like being halfway through the story and that girls race have issues with fertility rates so, it's natural to help subordinates.
Nathaniel Davis
The stat screens/RPG mechanics are what I hate the most about the genre. It makes those fantasy worlds feel not just generic but extremely hollow. And Shield Hero reminds me of those "someone was mean to me, I made a clever reply and the whole bus clapped" type of stories.
Gavin Ross
Just get amnesia so you can experience isekai the first time again.
Jordan Brooks
How?
David Jenkins
>Does MC have romantic interest in her? Yes. Even back then he wanted to fuck her but couldn't because he was in the body of a child.
Cooper Martinez
>Every isekai that you like it's trash.bait
John Allen
Mushoku Tensei
Owen Butler
>tfw writing an isekai because I'm trash Okay, let's see how garbage I really am...
>Excessive use of info dumps Holy fucking shit, this makes me angry. I get that sometimes you just need to drop some exposition to catch the MC up to what everyone in the world knows, but there's a fucking limit, people! >No real establishing backstories for the protagonist He was a person before he got isekai'd ffs. If he doesn't have a backstory, he's barely even a character. Self-inserts have a place, but it's just so low-effort. That said, I'm kinda guilty of this. The MC got dropped by his GF, but works at a convenience store in his old world... That's not much of a background. >The protagonist has no personality or is just a self insert for the author See previous answer. I'm a little guilty of the self-insert thing, but I try to keep it under control. Plus, it's so frustrating to see the MC bumblefuck around when you can't believe how ignorant they are... Of course, the opposite problem where they seemingly have all of Wikipedia and Wikihow in their head is just as bad. >The setting is just a video game If I ever write an isekai like this, I want an Yea Forumsnon to find me and kill me >Harems ...Guilty as FUCK for liking these, but at least my current protagonist doesn't have one. It's a bit hard to keep one when you re-incarnate over and over, with gaps of 4+ generations every time you die. >The protagonist is over powered and practically is not threatened in any capacity Sometimes a power trip is nice, but come on... Without a plausible threat, where's the conflict? Without the conflict, where's the story? >The world bends to the protagonist's will simply by his existence This is the truest hallmark of a Mary Sue. Have your MC fail. Have other characters act on their own agendas and own plans. Have people oppose the MC for completely legitimate reasons. Even if your MC happens to be the most important person in the world, he is not the ONLY person in the world!
Blake Hall
This is Yea Forums at the end of the day, people don't care about unique or interesting stuff, they only care about bitching and mediocrity. It's hard to find a place to have good criticism in your work in any place, real criticism not Shitposting/circlejerk, The best thing would be you believe in your story and give it a try, even if it's only a short thing, "if you build it they will come", with time and dedication you can improve and even do something more.
That's why I give up in the minotaurs-san and the thread, try to face the world if you think that you have a good idea.
Jaxson Barnes
If you've run out of good stuff just explore another medium
Aiden Foster
>another isekai is bad thread
Jaxon Hernandez
Pitch me ideas you would like to see in an isekai. Bonus points for interesting landscapes and ways to balance (nerfing) magic
Art direction doesn't just happen, someone has to develop it.
Blake Rivera
>He was a person before he got isekai'd ffs Yep, but you can do a shit thing with this too, Oh my high school education, Oh my raw fish, Oh my mayonnaise, My ways are better than your ways, how do you do a good background then? And keep relevant to the Isekai thing?
>The protagonist has no personality or is just a self-insert for the author One dimension protagonist with only a personality trait it's just as bad, I agreed with you when you say you can use self-insertion with moderation to help create a personality
>Harems Relationships are fine if you do in a natural way, not a forced way, people get in love, people broke up, the problem is two things: 1- most of the nips author never had any Gf/Bf they don't know how this works or how people work in this instance, so every relationship is the same in almost every manga/anime, its just copy paste. 2- how to do a relationship? I was writing "x girl like the MC since they know each other", but due to self-insertion or because of my personality I don't want the mc with only a girl dragging by his side the whole story or having him cheating the girl.
>The protagonist is overpowered, The world bends to the protagonist's will simply by his existence. You are right, you can't make the world bend to him, he has to earn the respect in the end.
Isaac Flores
If an author is good enough to write a decent sci-fi story why should he dumb it down with an isekai premise?
Eli Morris
90% of the isekais discard the isekai part in the beginning, why the fuck they don't write just fantasy then. Isekai it's just the lazy "fish of water" thing.
Henry Richardson
>2. No real establishing backstories for the protagonist Sorry, but this is just bullshit. These "backstories" in modern earth only work if they are extremes. Any possible "backstories" usually look like this: >MC was actually a celebrity/CEO/president in previous life (e.g. Ride-On King) >MC was bullied or had "sad" sob-story in previous life (I know for a fact that people hate on this even more than if an MC has no backstory at all) >MC was actually member of Secret Society X in previous life >MC was actually a mercenary/thief/assassin in previous life >MC was actually already a mage in previous life or was even already isekai'd once and returned, only to be isekai'd again These are pretty much all the possibilities for a "backstory" and pretty much all of them are pretty damn dramatic. And while many of these settings DO work well, they are not neccessarily better than the "uneventful mundane average life" backstory that you call "no backstory". Infact it's quite fun if a "no backstory" MC makes some anecdotical comparisons to his previous life here or there instead of overdramatizing some unrealistic or excessively rare background story.
The entire Isekai genre is just one Dragon Quest porn parody without porn, if you think about it that way then the quality makes sense
Zachary Morales
What about the isekai that don't take place in genericfantasyland, or don't have video game mechanics in place of physics, etc.?
Sebastian Wright
Aren't 90% of isekai manga incomplete? Abandoned before they reach any meaningful denouement where the reality that their calm blissful everything is fleeting. Seasons change. The dream must end. Sandcastle wash away with the tide. All that jazz.
After the end you can always do extra chapters. Never read this one thought. >You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The shit that don't sell anymore.
Nathan Taylor
>The shit that don't sell anymore >Implying 30k+, sometimes 40k+ sales per LN volume counts as "doesn't sell"
Easton Gomez
Depends of how much the publisher want you to sell. How much the author get for each sale in Japan?
Landon Wilson
Is there an isekai about being isekai'd into another isekais world?
I don't know, but consider that the Shield Hero LN sold shitty before the anime started airing (less than 10k, later even less than 5k per volume), but it's still on-going with 20+ volumes and now the anime boost (which we'll possibly never see the numbers of because MAL stopped listing them).
Joshua Rivera
Wasn't the entire gimmick of Rayearth back in 1994 was that the world was supposed to give the initial appearance of a generic, by-the-books JRPG? The characters even comment how their entire journey, how the world's customs, and how most of the things they encounter is like a video game in that it appeared barebones, black and white. I know it was intentional so the plot twist at the end of season 1 would hit harder, they did introduce world building after the plot twist at least.
The entire point was >cute high school girls get isekai'd to a fantasy world >because of their lack of time living in that world and their exposure to JRPGs and fantasy anime, they assume they know the situation like the back of their hands >whacky JRPG shenanigans ensue and they go to kill the big evil bad and save the princess because "dude jrpgs lol" >they kill the big "evil" bad without really understanding the true story, tragedy ensues >second season starts, they learn about their mistakes and not to jump to conclusions >the JRPG vibe goes away
Samuel Mitchell
To be fair, besides Slime, the original lives of Ainz and Psychotic Loli are important in that they inform a lot of the less sound choices they make. Ainz has crushing self-confidence problems and thinks of almost everything in terms of business, while psychotic loli has an incredibly distorted view of the world that I hope for the author's sake is written ironically and knowingly.
Wyatt Rogers
Not only that but every isekai before Rayearth was really generic jrpg fantasy not all that different from modern isekai jrpg fantasy Rayearth's a subversion of late 80s and early 90s isekai anime like Wataru and Knight Ramune
Anthony Cruz
Do you mean to say that they discover they're not the first people to summoned to that world? Then, yes, that's a pretty frequent occurrence.
If you mean to say that there is another layer of reality outside the conventional two then, well, do memory/digital/dream simulation worlds don't count? Those mindfuck, dream of a dream, simulation of a simulation, type stories.
Jacob Edwards
Slime makes a lot of comparisons to his previous life as well. It's just that these only exist in the LN version. They didn't exist in the WN version and the manga/anime removed them for streamlining purposes.
Elijah Russell
What kind of comparisons would user make if he was isekaid?
Jacob Miller
Because JRPGs are retarded and they majorly ruined fantasy anime.
Justin Adams
Oh I see I mostly read the WN That said I don't mean comparisons, I mean that major, defining character flaws sometimes arise from their experiences in their previous lives. Like the psycho loli can't, for all his pride in being some sort of clear-headed dude, fathom that this is a different culture with different workplace ethics. And Ainz just can't bring himself get over his self-esteen and trust issues that stem from being from a smoggy ancap dystopia.
Cameron Moore
Yeah, Rayearth looked like a Dragon Quest summoning thing, but then turned into the Never-ending story. It looked like a virtual world because it was conceived in virtues of reality, however the "pillar" or battery was dying and needed to be replaced.
Like, the Child-Like Empress needed a New Name. Dream a new dream. Ect...Ect...
Owen Butler
>this is like that one time I samefagged 3 times to make an user look bad
Tyler Myers
lmao that kid, what a fucking jobber
Aaron Gutierrez
nobody ever remember Kyou Kara Maou, huh? It was quite popular on Animax. too gay maybe?
Oliver Murphy
kek
Kayden White
Check out Shitposting in Another World, maybe.
Benjamin Fisher
You remind me of people who post that comic books are nothing but superhero melodramas. You just show how basic your reading choices are.
Connor Scott
Rimuru got that as well. He has strengths from his previous live like experience dealing with thugs in his contractor job from his previous live making him quite resistant against most forms of intimidation (i.e. he is not timid and can stand his ground), while also being skilled at business negotiations and prioritizes long-term connections over short-term gains. On the other hand due to being from mostly peaceful Japan he is rather naive and idealistic, escpacially in regards to humans and has a personality that finds it difficult to say no. He is also an inexperienced greenhorn in politics (obviously) and makes several rookie mistakes early on like getting tricked into signing a mutual defense agreement with a weak nation like Blumund. Not to mention his naive oversight about potential problems with his rule of "no attacking humans" and how despite his hypocritical actions against the adventurers in fron of Dwargon, he still forgot to add a self-defense clause at the very least, which led to the Harvest Festival incident.
Ryan Rodriguez
>Hajin got isekai'd inside his isekai isekai'd villainess original isekai
>No real establishing backstories for the protagonist "One day on the way to my kitchen I stepped into an alternate dimension" All the backstory you need.
Jaxson Ortiz
>It's real That's awesome.
Easton Allen
Read it on his own site The RR version is censored iirc
Sebastian Torres
After the end of Death March WN, it needs just as many chapters as have been made already.
Carson Cruz
god, no, fuck. Kill death march and any shiteater who actually likes it
Owen Gutierrez
The drinking cum isekai was rejected from RR right?
Jose Rogers
idk lmao
James Collins
Death March is that bad?
Sebastian Murphy
>it's another thread where western cucks can't comprehend the existence of media that panders to men because they grew up in a society where all the entertainment is geared towards women
Magic doesn't exist. More specifically, there's no such thing as "spells" that lets any rando shoot fire out of his dick after reading a book. Instead, there's an increase in... eccentricities. Herbs become more potent when grown in important areas, rare ores can draw metal towards them, a ghost or two rises when the stars are right. "Wizards" are the term people who catalog all the magical items and phenomena they find. The lesser ones wandering the countryside making money however they can, and the most famous and (in theory) skilled work as personal advisors to various royalty. In particular, something very strange has been happening - obviously unnatural artifacts have been just sort of appearing when nobody's looking, and as such wannabe wizards are on a (comparatively) massive upswing.
Daniel Hughes
Death March is a story about cooking, crafting and tourism with occasional politics and Demon Lord-slaying side-quests. Some people just don't like that sort of genre, I guess.
Isaiah Collins
Demon lord slaying too often interrupts more important things like spending time with the harem, getting Satou married and forcing him to start having children.
No isekai can save that awful galaxy because that happened once. A ship from the Dark Age of Technology traveled through time because of warp shenanigans and saw both the birth of the galaxy and the end where it gets swallowed by chaos. It reported to the nearest planet to try and tell everyone what happened and the whole crew was executed for heresy. The ship killed a couple of Imperium vessels plus the Ad Mech boarding party then hightailed it out of the galaxy being fucking PISSED at what humanity has become.
Logan Johnson
absolutely none of the things you listed is executed even remotely well fuck
>just think about it most of isekai stories always go to a copy-paste JRPG world where you find That's not limited to Isekai though, most fantasy setting has it too. Almost everything they have is just copypasted Tolkien.
Justin Bell
Demon Lord Slaying should be the most important thing like it used to be.
Most traditional fantasy novels are more about the world or the magic concepts the writer has created.
Colton Gomez
It triggers me to no end how HP never fucking explains how its magic works. Like, if magic was meant to be mysterious and illogical like in older works then I'd fine with it but it's clearly not the case because magic can be taught in a school and people can create their own spells and yet we never get an explanation of how any of this shit is possible or given anything other than the most basic rules.
John Hill
Morte d’ Arthur is a true example of an actual traditional fantasy novel
Luke Perez
Erdrick seems excited save the world
Easton Rogers
hey Yea Forumsnon I'd read it. Share please.
Isaiah Collins
Do you think Rowling knows how it works
Benjamin Wood
>HP never fucking explains how its magic works Nigga, I'm sure not even Rowling knows.
Tyler Sullivan
Somebody make an isekai about making a magic real time OS using assembler.
all the things you hate make the authors a ton of money. all the while your ideas make you angry.
Hunter Nguyen
>magic concepts No, that would make it science fiction. Fantasy does not truly explore the ramnifications of the setting. It is just a backdrop to the actions of the characters. For example, you can have a high fantasy world of full of wizards with earth shattering magic, and fortifications will remain the same castles of a world without magic, and the nobility will have no correlatioin with magical prowess. Fantasy is defined by the lack of exploration in it's setting. That's not to say that Fantasy can't have rich world building, just that there is a certain distinction.
Alexander Rodriguez
>why doesn't Harry just shoot Voldemort >where is the bong army during all this >why is the new herminoe black Rowling: UHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Landon Stewart
>Fantasy is defined by the lack of exploration in it's setting What the fuck am I reading?
Ryder Long
There's a difference between exploring the concepts of a setting, and exploring the world itself.
Jace Gomez
Are you talking about the metaphysics behind it you blithering idiot? Or are you talking about self-consistency? Because high fantasy, high magic worlds that have illogical fortifications or customs are just poorly-built worlds.
Jonathan Ortiz
This guy is a code wizard with custom spells represented in binary. It's about as far into computer science nerd territory as I've seen any isekai go so far. A couple layers deeper than Knights and Magic does.
It's still not gonna really go too deep into the details, though.
Computer science is basically magic anyways with electricity being the energy source. Only issue you need complex hardware which requires very specific metals and such. Life truly is the best isekai.
Henry Lewis
>Life truly is the best isekai. >no slutty elves hopping on my cock literally this very minute Wrong
Andrew Baker
Essentially, think about the reasons why Star Wars is regarded as space fantasy.
Adam Johnson
For how much a garbage (and I fucking love it) DM is it's world building is top tier.
Gabriel Cook
When will another show like this be made? It's so grim but not in the cooledgelord way shows are made now. That scene where the prisoner girl gets raped for the first time is so dark and impactful
Blake Sanders
Because it's so soft in science that calling it science fiction is an insult.
Adrian Lopez
Was MAR proto-modern Isekai?
Sebastian Flores
Oh, please. Science Fiction is more about modeling the future in either of its parts, not just technobabble. Both Lem and Azimov had plenty of goofy stories that are still regard as classic sci fi
Barsoom is the proto modern isekai
James Morris
>So Dune is generic science-fiction Objectively I don't think you can call Dune generic. Dune's universe rejects technological progress for human transcendence.
Nolan Young
He is one of those retards who think that a defined and properly explained magic system goes against the very concept of fantasy.
Juan Wood
MAR was a videogame setting and MC was overpowered because in the fantasy world gravity was lower or something.
Lucas Hall
You want video-game systems, not magic. If you want "properly defined magic" then fucking go all in on the pseudo-science, otherwise you're better off keeping it in the realm of the occult.
Colton Price
>the future Yeah bro Journey to the Center of the Earth was about the future and spess wasn't it Goddamn read a book The difference between science fiction and fantasy is that science fiction pretends to adhere to our world's physics as a general rule, we can use it as a basis, and more importantly there is no metaphysical distinction. Science fiction could, in theory, be our world, in the distant past or far future or even somewhere you're just not looking right at this present moment. It might change things, but it's consistent with what we understand.
Fantasy may or may not match our metaphysics, but its physics are clearly out of whack. Fantasy doesn't need magic, you see, or anything resembling it - it's certainly possible to have fantasy with nothing supernatural at all. The only thing that's necessary is that it's clearly not our world, and clearly different in a nontrivial manner, physically or metaphysically - hence it is fantastical.
Gavin Butler
That's wrong though you retard D&D is essentially by definition a fantasy system but it's got a more codified system of magic than most works even imply. The fact of the matter is that almost by definition magic within a world means it's part of that world's physics and reasonable in that world. You expect the citizens of the world to build, plan, and evolve according to their reality, not ours. If you don't do that, it's just poor worldbuilding.
Gabriel Thomas
Magic is meant to be metaphysical and larger than life. Philosophical, thematically relevant, a stand-in for something else. Borges got it right. Magic for the sake of magic is empty.
Nicholas Sullivan
Most worldbuilding is garbage anyway why are you upset when Isekei is just as bad as everything else?
Nathaniel Jackson
>magic is A plot and setting device, like guns, castles, nobles, and human beings.
Lucas Ramirez
Wiz Biz?
Fundamentally, it's about questions. Examples: typically, magic just werks, the audience is not meant to ask how it works, and why people haven't done XYZ with it. Or if a single man is worth an entire army, the culture built around that, these questions do not get asked. Or if monsters are a rich source of wealth, why do they not get farmed. Or if there are incredible ancient artifacts, and why can they not be made againand why do people not care or try? Things like that. You can populate worlds with a rich history, geography and theology, but the lack of interest in simulating a world is the defining trait of fantasy.
Nolan Roberts
See? You are exactly that kind of retard. If magic has always been a part of the setting that is available to some people and can be taught and developed then it's obvious those people would have already found a way to turn it into a logical system. Ignoring that or not explaining it is the mark of a hack writer. The only stories where writers can get away with not explained their magic systems are the ones where magic is meant to be rare and is only used by a few particular beings. No one complains that Tolkien didn't come up with a detailed magic system because magic in LotR is something only divine beings and some of their most powerful servants can use. Meanwhile, in Harry Potter magic can be taught and you can even create new spells yet we never get even a glimpse of how any of that work because Rowling didn't bother to think about it, mainly because it allowed her to pull shit out of her ass. I don't need a vidya-tier magic system or even an in-depth explanation of how it works but at the very least the author must be aware of how magic in his setting works because it's extremely easy to tell when he doesn't.
Nathan Clark
>I love artificial, game-like settings that work arbitrarily and don't feel natural or believable in any significant way or form
Go all in with the technobabble pseudo-science or stick with the occult.
Plot is a theme device. If your plot and setting is the main "point" of your story you have already failed as a writer.
Ryan Allen
>science fiction pretends to adhere to our world's physics as a general rule > The only thing that's necessary for fantasy is that it's clearly not our world Can't think of any science fiction that created their own world that's clearly different from our own. Even going as far as inventing its own set of rules to live by.
Asher Jenkins
Did you even read my reply? If you want to explain how magic works, go all in with the pseudo-science or don't do it. It's pure videogame nonsense if you just come up with dumb arbitrary rules.
Adrian Campbell
You were simply born in the wrong time period. You could even argue the wrong location. A different kingdom would better soothe your intentions.
Jacob Foster
Fuck off back to Yea Forums, you pretentious faggot.
He isn't Yea Forums he is a dumbass from /tg/ he always has the same shit arguments for what HE thinks magic should be. He constantly gets BTFO there now he is here
Isaiah Scott
Also, the whole >science fiction is the world we understand, but doesn't look that way Is probably what the 19 century authors were thinking when they wrote about flying to the moon in a cannonshell, or flying coal powered battleships. Or a hyper advanced race dying from a common cold.
Gavin Perez
No I do not. If said defined and properly explained magic system is the focus of the story, then it is science fiction. If the defined and properly explained magic system is used to throw a fireball into a goblin's face en route to rescuing a princess, then it is fantasy.
Austin Reed
The "hurr durr if magic isn't some incomprehensible thing" shit does reek of /tg/ but the "muh theme over plot" autism is definitely Yea Forums's kind of cancer.
Blake Roberts
In present tense.
Xavier Edwards
I'm a hack so I usually start the fight describing their attacks and after four or five lines jump into more vague "the fury of his fists clashed against the power of his hammer" shit.
Daniel Powell
>Things like that. You can populate worlds with a rich history, geography and theology, but the lack of interest in simulating a world is the defining trait of fantasy. But it literally is not. Sanderson and Tolkien are both fantasy writers. You're just pointing at shoddy worldbuilding and going 'yep that's fantasy', it doesn't even make sense.
There are things in EVERY world that aren't fully explored, it doesn't matter where Gatsby was the past few years, it doesn't matter how The Force works, it doesn't matter why Lara Croft never gets locked the fuck up for blowing up priceless archeological sites she doesn't have a permit for. They're part of the premise, but that doesn't mean that the genre inherently is less open to exploring the premise - the point of the premise IS that it won't be explored. It's a take-it-or-leave-it deal so the writer can get on with his story. Fantasy can certainly make itself self-consistent or develop its world. If you mean it doesn't address it in detail I mean no fucking shit, this is a story, not a world guidebook.
>I love artificial, game-like settings that work arbitrarily and don't feel natural or believable in any significant way or form What does it mean to 'feel natural'? Do you simply mean to say your preferences and what you draw that line at should be global in nature?
>believable I don't see how the fuck magical systems that have been examined and which people have found ways to control is any more unbelievable than people using the power of lightning strikes and the power of tearing apart little building blocks of reality so small there's no way to see them with visible light to talk to people thousands of miles away.
But you can literally have both because the princess is an mage and her life's work is trying to tease out how to bring her father back, an act that everyone knows is impossible but she thinks she can make the breakthrough. That wasn't very hard.
Chase Brown
The trick is you don't because I always speedread them anyways to get back to the world building.
Christopher Green
It's actually really good.
Isaac Murphy
So you dont "mc do that and then x character tried this", basically give the fight more details?
Anthony Barnes
You can read something like hexennacht LN for that. Its mostly action scenes.
Juan Kelly
The focus shouldnt be the fight itself but everything leading up to it, the characters and their stakes in the fight. Build tension. Most of the time you don't want to make the fight scene too long either. If you want to make it long you have to keep shit interesting, make the result uncertain, have some character fuck up and have to resort to plan b... Be creative. But all that is inconsequential if you have good tension built up.
Simple answer: Because almost every isekai has the fantasy world revolve around the protag. Thus you only have to worldbuild around what the protag will interact with. All the characters revolve around the protagonist, none of them have agency or their own individual story outside of their involvement with the protagonist. The world is just a facade.
Nothing to do with laziness, you simply don't have to. Look how many people eat up garbage like Shield Hero
Dominic Hill
That ends up looking boring if it goes on for longer than three or four lines I don't write fight scenes like he does but >X swung his sword in a sweeping arc. Y ducked back, jabbing the butt of his spear into X's leg, hoping to put him off balance - X had expected this, and jumped atop it, shouting out as he brought down a hidden dagger with the full force of his weight behind it. Y dodged.... becomes really really stale.
Jose Bennett
Jeanne is a shitter BB is the new hotness
Jacob Bell
>tfw a lot of isekai are just keikaku and tensai
Josiah Torres
read kingdoms blood, it's isekai world building done right.
Ian Campbell
because is a power fantasy, author make isekais not because they like them, but to make easy money, they dont think in the long run, there is no more world waiting for our mc, things cant happend whiout him
also a lot of isekai author are just amateur shitters
Ian Gonzalez
I do that for a few lines, just to show each combatant's fighting style and maybe make some observations about them and then I jump into more vague shit, which I find more interesting. If you want an example then go read Samwise's fight with Shelob at the end of Two Towers. That fight gave me fucking shivers, not because it was described in detail but because Tolkien instantly jumps into a more epic description with things like "No such anguish had Shelob ever known, or dreamed of knowing, in all her long world of wickedness. Not the doughtiest soldier of old Gondor, nor the most savage Orc entrapped, had ever thus endured her, or set blade to her beloved flesh" which make the whole fight way more exciting than a robotic description of each character's attacks.
Alexander Collins
I see, thanks for the advice, I was trying to write something like, it was the first mc fight against a party, and I was trying to make him earn the victory, but the fight was too long, thanks again
Henry Gomez
The difference between anime isekai and LN isekai send me into a spiral. Anime isekai has the superior visuals and can build much better that way, but it'll lack in the explanation department. LN isekai can go on and on about exposition, but it'll generally lack the superiority of anime isekai visuals since it can only show every few pages an image. And a majority of those are just characters. Shield Hero for example makes the world seem large and lovely, but because the LN isn't able to do that, the plot looks like it speeds through all of that like it's not that relevant. This is also why the LN can better handle characters rather than in anime in which character focus takes up a lot of screen time and anime is limited by minutes.
Juan Davis
Thanks user
Eli Cook
Honestly just read some books with fights Go read the fights in GRRM, the rare ones in LotR and the Hobbit, the ones Sanderson writes. These are published, big-wig authors in the same sort of supergenre. Learn from them.
Austin Morris
>You can populate worlds with a rich history, geography and theology Tolkein is exactly what I had in mind. You can fill a world with it's own spurdo language and an entire book on it's creation but at the end of the day it's a story about a hobbit who has to throw a ring into a volcano, not about the implications of being able to torture elves into becoming an entirely different species, not about ents and what that means for a medieval economy that needs timber and farming space, not about how an entire race of fat midgets with nothing at all going for them ever managed to survive. Therefore it is fantasy.
>But you can literally have both because the princess is an mage At least try not to resort to pedantry.
Blake Stewart
>Kingdom in the title >politics is almost a guarantee Why do isekai always have terrible politics?
Gabriel Anderson
You have not seen the horrors of Infinite Element genre that the chinese came up with. That's all it would end up being, and Japan wouldn't be any better.
Caleb Cruz
Lol. If they told you how to do magic, then you would wouldn't you. Oh wait that'd mean harry potter couldn't be real, so we can't do that.
Carson Martinez
What's up with that My knowledge of Chinese litterature is limited to Wuxia memes, I'm curious
Lucas Bennett
HP magic works because you don't know how it works. That's the entire point of magic. It's not like it could be explained in words anyways seeing as how even between the students, there's talent and then there's those who just can't.
Jose Turner
>not about the implications of being able to torture elves into becoming an entirely different species, not about ents and what that means for a medieval economy that needs timber and farming space, not about how an entire race of fat midgets with nothing at all going for them ever managed to survive. I don't understand what you're saying. Because it is a story therefore it is fantasy? Science fiction to you has no story? Journey to the Center of the Earth uses most of its outdated scientific knowledge as trivia dropped here and there to establish credentials and show you how much this guy cares, and also as a plot device to provide water when they run out so on so forth. JttCotE is a story about a dude and his crazy uncle who try to go down into the Earth and fail spectacularly but it's still the adventure of a lifetime, it's not about exploring the implications of...anything, really.
>not about ents and what that means for a medieval economy... But there is that. Ents don't like it when you industrialize, they literally fight back, and people mention that you're really not supposed to go ANYWHERE NEAR Fangorn Forest. Just because the story isn't a goddamn textbook doesn't mean it's fantasy, what kind of insane argument is this? There's a ton of side material Tolkien has that explores implications and histories, does that make it science fiction?
I think you're confusing science fiction with social commentary. No. The two have nothing in common.
Joshua White
It's also one of those things that knowing a bit about fighting technique itself and the terminology for different kinds helps a lot. Plus some basic anatomy, both of people and of creatures. Knowing how a man fights with a rapier vs a longsword, armor or no armor, daggers, all that stuff is pretty classic. The variables mean different varieties of fights and different stories. What makes people feel bored the most is repetition.
It's like if you're writing a scene about somebody typing a command into a computer. If you know the tech and the terms, it's way more immersive because you can paint a truer picture.
Jack Russell
Imagine if an author was incredibly lazy so instead of writing an isekai, they decided to write a sci-fi, fantasy, modern, horror, etc novel in one narrative. Oh, and also a cultivation system that ties it all together because of course there is. Can't think of what to write next? Just rip off the plot of a popular film or novel and write about how your self insert acts within that setting. It's like Gantz, but schizophrenic.
Henry Parker
To add to this, even if the readers don't know anything about the terminology or background or tactics, readers can sort of tell when you know what you're on about. There's less bullshit, it flows differently, so yeah really do try to leverage your strengths and write about things you know. Writing what you know is an inevitability but writing what you know *well* actually improves the quality of what you churn out.
Julian Allen
because real politics is depressing, and the setting is almost certainly using some feudal system
Alexander Walker
It's weird because the Chinese can write pretty decent scifi when they set their mind to it. I guess trash authors are eternal.
Eli Bennett
Yeah but what differentiates a good writer from a shit one is that you can infer all those things even if the story doesn't focus on that. Those things you mentioned aren't the main focus of the story but the elves being tortured into orcs is tied with the idea of evil not being able to create, only corrupt, which is a core aspect of the setting. The ent shit is explained as only a few of them remaining and only in the deepest and most dangerous parts of ancient forests and the hobbits surviving is outright stated to be due to the work of the Rangers. It's easy to see when a writer actually thought of this stuff and just didn't focus on it because it had nothing to do with the story and when they are pulling a Rowling and making shit up as they go while ignoring its implications.
Christopher Ward
Because real politics is either boring or infuriating or both, and most people - even the ones that think themselves redpilled or whatever - don't really know how it works and how to tie it into a story.
Christopher Taylor
I feel like you'd need a doctorate in history and in politics to just get it.
Logan Martin
But that's wrong and is the stupid argument people usually come up with when I complain about this shit. Magic in LotR is meant to be impossible to understand or even lack logic at all, mainly because it's a semi-divine power that only a few extremely powerful beings can use. Magic in HP is something that every faggot born with the ability to use it (don't ask how tat works, nobody knows) can do and clearly follows some sort of system because spells can be taught, modified and even created from scratch. That implies magic follows a detailed system but Rowling is a hack so we never even get the slightest explanation of how any of that works. There is a difference between classic "mysterious" magic and the "modern" magic a lot of series like HP have.
Kevin Rodriguez
The Ents are literally the last of their kind, they're beyond recovery and in fact the implication is that even if it's sad they SHOULDN'T recover, their time is up, their role is finished, now is the new age. That's a core aspect of the LotR story, this is the last age for so many groups. The elves are leaving, their work is done. The Wizards seek to finish their jobs and then leave forever, the Hobbits are a dying breed that "can fence themselves in, but cannot forever fence the world out", the Ents "lost" the Entwives so long ago they don't even remember what they're supposed to be like, and of course in a sense of the word Sauron is like an old loose end being tied up more than anything else in the grand scheme of things. All of these things have to go because now is the age of Men and their tall towers and great cities, not the time of quaint villages or great dark forests.
Noah Sullivan
A semi-competent writer should be able to come up with interesting political intrigue even if it's fucking bullshit. House of Cards was extremely interesting during the first two seasons (a few retarded moments aside) and it was 99% political intrigue. Of course, having an actually charismatic MC helps too, while most isekai stories just have a bland faggot quoting Machiavelli's most popular quotes.
Andrew Price
It's depressing and that's why it would be great to subvert it with actual support.
At least those redpilled know who it a lot better than the normal person to the point it's quite entertaining to hear them speak. Haven't you seen how they tie it together into a story and how it connects everything before? It may all be a fabrication, but it's entertainment.
Jeremiah Turner
HP magic is clearly a "don't think" sort of thing though and you have to remember that HP was a children's story, and it worked as one until around Goblet of Fire and Rowling tried and failed miserably to add grown up elements to it. The magic was just basically a cool superpower that some kids had, you don't think too hard about it. It was only later that she tried to codify it while making shit up along the way.
Gavin Rogers
WIZARDS SHIT THEMSELVES WHERE THEY STOOD AND JUST MAGICKED AWAY THE POOP
Henry Gutierrez
The antagonists in my story are literally what /pol/ claims the jewish are, except they are not a particular race, just some greedy merchants from different races.
William James
lmao for what reason did rowling say this
Mason Williams
I mean, if I had the power to shit myself and remove any evidence of the deed instantly, I woul probably do that too. All those blood supremacists probably prided themselves of their ancient traditions and shat their pants while mocking mudbloods for using muggle inventions.
Colton Baker
idk I think she was like Trying to make out that the muggles weren't just inferior in every way, because muggles had plumbing and wizards didn't? It directly contradicts Chamber of Secrets, really. The pipes are explicitly designed by the Founders.
That's not really how rowling put it really And all in all I get the feeling that Voldemort was literally right in a lot of things. He's sort of like a Sasuke now that I think about it.
Sebastian Reyes
.JttCotE is a story about a dude and his crazy uncle who try to go down into the Earth and fail spectacularly but it's still the adventure of a lifetime I've never read Journey to the Center of the Earth but I'll say that description is basically fantasy. After all, Star Wars is not science fiction no matter how many space ships, droids and plasma guns it has.
Dude, I'm not talking about the quality of stories, I'm talking about the difference between fantasy and science fiction. I enjoy both genres, ill-defined as they are. I'm not saying focusing on a certain thing is good or bad, only that what the author focuses on is what determines whether it is SF or fantasy.
Jack Flores
>It directly contradicts Chamber of Secrets, really. The pipes are explicitly designed by the Founders. No, the castle is way older than most sewage systems. Rowling explained that Voldemort's ancestor made sure he would be the one to build the sewage system so ensure the Chamber would remain hidden. >And all in all I get the feeling that Voldemort was literally right in a lot of things The fact that he was a mudblood and also one of the most powerful wizards to ever exists kind of make most of his claims bullshit. I mean, blood definitely matters because he came from an ancient and noble family, but some muggle blood in your family tree clearly isn't so bad if someone like him became so powerful.
Andrew James
If it sounds autistic, it's irredeemable. If it sounds geeky or nerdy, it's shit. If it sounds pretentious, it's OK. If it sounds like sci-fi, it's good.
Michael Wright
>I've never read Journey to the Center of the Earth but I'll say that description is basically fantasy You can't be fucking serious, are you arguing that Jules Verne is a fantasy writer? If you insist he isn't SF he might be an adventure writer, which I think is also what you're confusing with fantasy.
>No, the castle is way older than most sewage systems. Yeah that's my point, Salazar Slytherin clearly knew what a pipe system was back in like 1000 or whenever it was meant to have been built. Wasn't Voldemort's big thing segregation more than anything else? I mean look at the pain that it caused his own mother, look at his own childhood and all. It makes sense - if you're a group of people who need to be super secretive for some ridiculous reason then maybe you should just...stick to yourselves?
And I was talking about some of his reforms, one of the most glaring examples was him....getting rid of the sorting hat, which *the hat itself had admitted was probably a good thing because it was outdated and only serving to widen differences*. And then this is some sort of horrible thing, I don't know why. Really a ton of the messages were completely fucked up at the end, like Slytherin being an OK house too except literally everyone but Slughorn who was in it was a fucking cunt.
Colton Young
>Salazar Slytherin clearly knew what a pipe system was back in like 1000 or whenever it was meant to have been built. According to Rowling, the Chamber was originally hidden under a trapdoor. The sewage system was added centuries later and the one in charge (a descendant of Slytherin) made sure to be the one to do implement it so he could keep the Chamber hidden and connect it to that system (which is why it was big enough for a hugeass basilisk to move around Hogwarts freely). >asn't Voldemort's big thing segregation more than anything else? I mean look at the pain that it caused his own mother, look at his own childhood and all. It makes sense - if you're a group of people who need to be super secretive for some ridiculous reason then maybe you should just...stick to yourselves? No, he wanted to opress muggles and rule over them. In the last book he even has an edgy statue built in the Ministry of Magic showing two wizards sitting in thrones supported by hundreds of muggle slaves. I do agree about the hat and Slytherin, though.
Looks retarded and wow they're not even hot >According to Rowling, the Chamber was originally hidden under a trapdoor. This sounds stupid, how did nobody find it if it was just under a goddamn door? Did she say this before she started going full retard with the 'shocking revelations'?
Also I was a chofag I was never a fan of ginny
Cooper Collins
An SF novel would not have old races fade because their time has gone and the universe agrees and there's no way of stopping it, that's just retroactive nonsense made to make a nice story. SF holds no truck with fate, unless it's in the deterministic, reductive sense of the word.
Justin Bell
Not him, but when the core of the story follows clearly defined rules, then the novel ceases to be fantasy and becomes Sci-fi. This is the only definition that makes sense, because it's the only definition which clearly defines both genres.
Benjamin Lopez
clearly the seventh horcrux fanfiction where harry potter thinks he is voldemort is better than the main series
Thomas Mitchell
For geeks nerds and autists: stories about made up rules, about encyclopedic made-up facts, about playing games and videogames For normal people: stories about characters, their growth and their relationships; the world is only relevant in relation to the characters For smart people: stories about the characters' psyche; essentially character studies that analyze the relation of the character with themselves and with society; the setting is only relevant in how it creates a society for the main character to struggle against.
Dominic Peterson
>retroactive Are you trying to say Tolkien retconned this shit in? I'm just reading from the themes of the story dude, half of it is literally about old things disappearing, fading from relevance. The Ents say it themselves, this is their last great march. It's the last time they'll be relevant. Things are changing.
>Dungeons and Dragons is science fiction Epic Cores of the story ALWAYS follow clearly defined rules unless the author has just refused to worldbuild. The question only arises in whether or not they decide to tell you those rules and how much of the rules they present.
Eli Reed
Surprisingly correct.
Josiah Murphy
>You can't be fucking serious, are you arguing that Jules Verne is a fantasy writer? If you insist he isn't SF he might be an adventure writer, which I think is also what you're confusing with fantasy. If Jules Verne wrote Star Wars are you going to claim it's SF? Star Wars has much more technological elements to it, those technological elements play a far greater role too, it's much more SF than JttCoftE ever was.
Isaac Diaz
>If Jules Verne wrote Star Wars are you going to claim it's SF? >h-heh b-bro if China were located in Africa are you going to claim that China is part of Asia? >i-if Tolkien w-w-was born in Japan would you claim that h-he was a British author? This is a fucking retarded hypothetical, you can't just go 'bro what if he did something he literally had nothing to do with and let me use that as the premise for my argument'. Didn't you say science fiction wasn't about technology but 'clear rules'? Pick a fucking story and stick to it you goddamned retard
Adam Ramirez
The concept of genre itself implies that the work panders to retards.
William Long
read mushoku tensei
Oliver Hughes
What's a good name for a Mexican characters that got isekaid as a vampire?
Jaxson Cox
For really smart people: >stories about the character's psyche, the human/social condition, that uses these made up rules and facts to provide background and cohesiveness to the setting that they live in In other words, fuck off you pretentious faggot, you can have all three or only one or any combination. It depends on how well it's written.
Landon Long
I think the politics are handled extremely well, the battles are but the means to accomplish political goals, even the most powerful beings in universe that during their apex were capable of toppling gods are but political chess pieces and the first political ally the mc made who was a vampire loli wasn't actually a loli and betrayed him first chance they got which resulted in the mc doing the same later on to another ally and becoming paranoid of everyone. The most important climax of the story until now was the mc having to convince the northern archdukes not to kill him, then having to convince them that transitioning out of a feudal society would be terrible for their families on the long run, all right after the mc forced one archduke to kill his king by fucking up his plot, then being forced to convince the archdukes that crowning that guy would be best for the stability of the kingdom all of this the conclusion of a bunch of other characters goals and more things happening on parallel. Honestly it's strange tha the author decided to do isekai, he deservers better.
Kayden Lewis
I would assume it was a hidden trapdoor.
In the literature sense of the word, he decided that things should disappear and so they do, with no greater reason behind it. The second sentence should had made this clear, I don't know why you're being so pedantic. I'm not saying Tolkein is a hack or anything, it's not even criticism. In real life "Times are changing" is not actually a cause, it's an consequence.
Brody Cook
Paquita Chabelo
Jace Sanders
It's a mixture of and the fact that all Isekai are adaptions of shitty third-rate web novels authored by amateur writers that are either unwilling or unable to put in the time and effort it takes to create a good, coherent and engaging setting. World building takes time and research if you want to make it believable. Add to that the fact that they're horrible authors in general and you got your question answered.
Sebastian Watson
>tfw people don't just keep their character japanese or human >tfw messes with my self-insertion every time Just write a real story if you're going to intrude on my isekai wish fulfillment.
Lucas Rodriguez
You're just arguing that Jules Verne is a SF writer, therefore what he writes is SF. It's a ridiculous argument.
Cameron Cox
Japs are uncreative and survive mainly by identifying what works and doing that again and again with slight variations, more news at 11. But seriously, it's mainly a lack of talent. Isekai is hot right now, so every piece of shit wannabe mangaka makes an isekai harem for those fat publisher dollars because they're guaranteed to get at least a volume or two before they're cancelled. Once it cools down the remaining series that get made will likely be way better.
Angel Kelly
Are you completely lacking in reading comprehension? You didn't really disagree with anything I said.
Jordan Baker
>In real life "Times are changing" is not actually a cause, it's an consequence. It's both, and that's what it is there too. I mean it's literal, sure, times are literally changing basically because Eru says so, but on the other hand times are changing because Men, essentially, are the only people with the drive to move forward. Hobbits will fade because they're literally just trying to fence the world out, they're not moving forward. Elves don't care, dwarves are too busy being irrelevant and greedy. It's inevitable, but it's also an allegory.
>it's not even criticism Interesting when you claim that fantasy is a genre primarily written for retards.
Jules Verne is a SF writer because he wrote SF, yes, and he actually did write JttCotE, it's one of his best known works. You're trying to make this to be a circular argument but it isn't - it's a given that he's an SF writer, or at least clearly not a fantasy one. JttCotE is often classed as adventure, but never fantasy.
There's some decent ones around right now. Really it's just people who've read the good ones and then when they dig deeper they find nothing but trash. There's just not that many good ones being made but that's normal, 90% of writing is chaff.
Easton Gray
My autism senses are tingling. I kinda don't understand how shit works in TNE now.
- Chundong is born on date A - Original Suho and Sahyuk are born around date C - Hajin gets isekai'd to B - Chundong gets isekai'd from B to a few years before C - Chundong dies (but does he? it was never explicitly stated that he died, wasn't it?) somewhere on the way to D - Original Suho and Sahyuk die around D and get reborn on A - Another pair of timelines is created where reborn Suho and Sahyuk live and on B Hajin replaces Chundong and Chundong gets isekaid before C on the alternative Akatrina timeline???
so... that would make chundong both a transmigrator to akatirina and a returner in novel world and hajin replaces the returned chundong?
Brody Clark
Spoiler alert, slime doesn't learn that
Nicholas Cook
Except the returner doesn't remember shit and we're following the alternative cube timeline and we don't have a single idea what the fuck is happening in the original cube timeline.
Julian Williams
>99.9% of Sci-fi breaks apart once you remember nothing can go faster than light Haha, this is why nobody does that in my sci-fi novel. What now faggot?
Thomas James
wouldn't the original timeline be the one that hajin wrote in the first place?
David Mitchell
The Mexican guy got isekai as a vampire (allucard style) before the mc, he's is a support/senpai character for now, he tries to be serious but some times he have withdraws in the gag part but he's a powerhouse
John Bell
>Cores of the story ALWAYS follow clearly defined rules unless the author has just refused to worldbuild. No, they don't. Humans have created dozens of words to shit on authors who don't follow established or perceived rules. Magic is one of the core elements in Harry Potter, according to you it MUST follow clearly defined rules. "Writing is the magic. Rules are for games." Mark Lawrance
>Dungeons and Dragons is science fiction You're right, under this definition it's SF. And under the standard definition fantasy and SF are themes and not genres. A genre needs a clear definition, and requires distinctive stylistic criteria. Neither fantasy nor SF fulfill this requirement.
Julian Gomez
>Tolkein That's the thing though, SF does not do allegory. Unless there's supposed to be an actual force that enforces something based on how nice a story it will make a la Discworld. To be honest what is the point you are trying to make here? You clearly disagree about something, but your method of argument is to assume that the poster hasn't read Tolkein and pretend to educate him?
>Interesting when you claim that fantasy is a genre primarily written for retards. Ah yes, the everyone who I disagree with is one poster meme. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
>JttCotE If you read the quote chain you can clearly see imply JttCotE is SF. And if you claim that you are that poster and you implied nothing of the sort, then the entire post is a non-sequitor.
Hunter Hill
>fat publisher dollars because they're guaranteed to get at least a volume or two Stuff that gets canned that soon never made much more than the cost of the author's advance, so they don't even get royalties from it, and still can't afford to quit their real job yet.
Daniel Foster
>"dude just turn your brain off!" Not and never was an argument
Owen Cook
That's why only shitheads attempt it. People with actual talent write stuff that's actually good, and get actually paid.
Benjamin Sullivan
Vladimiro "El Chupacabras" Draculez
Hudson Perez
Vladimiro.. that sounds fine I guess , there's any native vampire in Mexico folclore or media?
Zachary Wood
>The fact that he was a mudblood and also one of the most powerful wizards to ever exists kind of make most of his claims bullshit. I mean, blood definitely matters because he came from an ancient and noble family, but some muggle blood in your family tree clearly isn't so bad if someone like him became so powerful. More bullshit. What makes Voldemort so powerful? How is it shown that Voldemort is powerful? The killing curse can be done by anyone. You would think intelligence would be required to be good but than that dumbass bully was able to cast fiendfyre. There is no sense in HP.
Matthew Taylor
yes there is, luchadores fight vampires all the time
Joshua Wright
Except it is. There are some things that literally don't matter, things you need to just accept for a story to function. Do you question stuff like who maintains Batman's car or how it even makes sense that Superman goes to shit under a red sun? The answer is fucking nobody and for no reason, it's the batmobile, it just fucking works, stop asking.
The only thing you accomplish by asking about certain irrelevant things is ruin it for everyone else who's just trying to enjoy the story. Nobody fucking cares that Kino's bike should run out of gas.
Isaiah Robinson
As far as I know the closest thing they have is the Chupacabra.
Aaron Taylor
False equivalence. Batman's car isn't central to batman's story or setting while Magic is an integral and crucial part to HP.
Jack Ramirez
He was mentioned to be a prodigy while on Hogwarts and he did the Horrcrux shit seven (actually eight) times, I guess? I mean, I do agree with you that the story fails to protray him as one of the greatest sorcerers in history, I was just adressing how bullshit his claims are even if you ignore that stuff.
Mason Sullivan
If people complaining about a lack of internal consistency ruin the story for you then you are a fucking brainlet. And writers have indeed shown Batman and Alfred mantaining the Batmobile and expained Superman's weakness as part of his alien biology or some shit like that
Jayden Lee
Konosuba also gave a decent reason for people getting constantly summoned to their world, the reason being that the world is so fucking shitty that the native people there refuse to reincarnate and would rather face oblivion
Adam Gutierrez
But the actual operation of magic isn't. I mean you can rightfully complain that nobody ever seems to think about wands or whatever, but like, the actual metaphysical theory behind magic doesn't seem important. There ARE classes on magical theory, but we don't see them like we don't really see any of the classes. The only ones we see are those directly plot-relevant. We don't really care about how or why the polyjuice or veritaserum works either, so we're not told - just literally what they do (and in the former case, what stops it) and that's good enough. Like goddamn I don't want to defend Rowling's shit writing but this is one weird complaint.
Anthony Bailey
pic related is probably the closest you'll get to a "good" isekai, and it even has most of the tropes people in this thread are complaining about.
The real question is why McGonagall didn't just sit down with an IWS2k and shoot him from eight hundred yards.
Luis Howard
Rowling doesn't even understand basic combat mechanics. Realistically every duel would be about who uses Avada Kedavra first.
Jason Martinez
The problem isn't just that we don't see how magic work but that Rowling doesn't have any idea either. If she had come up with some sort of magic system (nothing too complex, just some basic shit) and was faithful to it without outright infodumping to the readers then there would be no problem because magic would be logical anyway. The problem is that Rowling didn't do that. She made her magic something that clearly follows a theory and isn't just the old classic wild magic but then proceeded to avoid even setting up some basic rules for her to follow and pull bullshit after bullshit out of her ass. The only reason I don't shit more on her is that the first books were meant to be children books and by the time those children grew up it was already late to introduce a logical magic system.
Joshua Scott
You say that but I can also say that HP has bad worldbuilding. You are right that we don't need to know how or why the polyjuice or veritaserum works; but we should at least know what qualifies a wizard to be powerful or skilled, what makes the elder wand so powerful, how come Patronus Charm is hard but fiendfyre is easy enough for an idiot to use. Simple stuff like that can improve worldbuilding.
Bentley Russell
Using the Curses is forbidden. You'd win the duel only to end up in a cell for the rest of your life.
Chase Kelly
Oh no don't get me wrong I'm not defending Rowling's (lack of) worldbuilding. I'm just saying it seems really goddamn weird to complain that we don't get to see magical theory. It just doesn't matter. As for Patronus, wasn't Patronus like directly tied to a person's courage and force of will and whatever the fuck? It's never made very clear but that's what I got out of it. I agree with the rest, although I think the Elder Wand is actually decent as an artifact. We don't know, because nobody really knows. I'm not sure anyone except maybe Dumbledore and Ollivander and that slav wand dude actually know what makes this or that wand better, the Elder Wand is just that good. Why? Who knows, it's just better. These sorts of ancient masterpieces aren't rare in fiction, I think. We don't know why the Invisibility Cloak exists and why it can do the impossible either, nor what the fuck it even means for the Rez stone to summon a sad shadow or whatever the fuck.
I mean A-K doesn't seem that bad really. The beam is clearly either slow or inaccurate enough that Harry can basically just tumble through dozens of beams. You might not be able to block it but you can just sidestep it.
That's weird as fuck too since A-K is objectively one of the tamer spells in the setting when it comes to fucking a person up and it's also basically just a worse, slower-firing gun.
Lucas Hall
Or why no one uses most of the useful shit introduced in another book like the time travel shit or the luck potion.
Caleb Stewart
But the Death Eaters would never have lost in the first place because even a mook has access to an unblockable instakill spell.
David Morris
Doesn't the luck potion fuck you up really bad if you overuse it It's probably a literal "don't push your luck" thing. Also wasn't it supposed to be like, the single hardest potion in the series to actually brew? iirc time travel got handwaved with >gubment
Eli Hill
You know what pissed me off the most about Hogwarts >giant fucking castle >there's like 300 people in it, tops Like how many wizards are there even? Rowling writes about them like they're goddamn everywhere but every single one in Britain of school age apparently fits into a single train.
Ayden Cook
There are a lot of nasty curses that aren't forbiden like pointed out. Fuck, sectumsempra is proof that you can create a new spell that makes your enemy bleed to death and it won't be forbidden because no one will know it exists. And then you have supposedly innofensive stuff that can kill like that spell Ron's mom used to give Bellatrix a fatal heart attack. If anything, Avada Kedavra is the laziest way to kill someone.
Noah Gutierrez
Avada Kedavra is literally just a worse Finger of Death because you can see it coming and you can just jump out of the way. Even out of the forbidden curses it's the tamest by far.
Isaiah Parker
>give Bellatrix a fatal heart attack. Wait is THAT what happened? Why didn't bellatrix just restart her heart with magic fucking lmao
Lincoln Cruz
she knew magic, not rubber nen.
Andrew Gonzalez
Magic isn't nen.
Angel Campbell
Then your reading comprehension is shit.
Cooper Stewart
The luck potion is highly toxic, very poisonous when too much is taken.
Nolan Rogers
Anyone who defends an isekai that uses stat screens should slit their wrists.
Luis Ross
Magic users attract other magic users :^)
Jacob Sullivan
You need to have a pretty heavy amount of hardcore magic power to back up Forbidden curses. Not just anyone can do them if I can remember correctly, it was supposed to be another marker of Voldemorts skill that he could throw them out willy nilly. That and it was unblockable.
Oliver Cruz
>And Shield Hero reminds me of those "someone was mean to me, I made a clever reply and the whole bus clapped" type of stories. thank you, it was bugging me that i couldn't aptly explain what i didn't like about SH, because i can enjoy most LN series, but around the time the BITCH and TRASH name changes happened at the end of LN 4 i just had to drop it.
Evan Thomas
The dumbass who casted Fiendfyre couldn't control it and it ended up killing him.
Oliver Sullivan
It's a matter of intention rather than of skill. Harry throws a Crucio at Bellatrix with no issue during the fifth book even though he never did it before and the only reason he failed is that he didn't channel actual sadism into the spell (righteous fury doesn't count). The reason the Forbidden Curses are hot shit is that you actually need to want to torture, murder or control the other person to make them work. So unless you are really determined, really pissed or a fucking sociopath, they are hard to use.
Easton Sanders
depends. The mangaka may be good enough that they can take any shitty premise and still make it really enjoyable. It's a different matter that the mangaka is being wasted on that shitty premise.
pic related, source material is a fucking borefest with level + stats and the MC materializing shit out their ass with an Amazon.com cheat, but the manga itself is paced so well with great artstyle and facial expressions that each chapter ends up being so satisfying anyways.
I?vaguely remember Fake!Moody saying something about needing a fair amount of magical strength to do it. But yeah, you also need to /mean/ it when you do it.
Jack Fisher
Yeah, understandable if you drop it for something like that. WN was more or less the same.
Elijah Carter
Draco uses Imperius in the sixth book and I don't remember him being a particularly powerful wizard. Doesn't Crabbe or Goyle use it too before the using the fyendfire spell? And those two are definitely retards.
Liam Baker
it's a shame because i'm a sucker for tropey ass fantasy series, but that shit just got too self indulgent and juvenile even for the isekai genre.
Evan Barnes
>great artstyle did we read the same thing?
Ian Hill
No, I don't think Crabbe or Goyle ever did anything that impressive ever. Harry wasn't a particularly powerful wizard either, but he imperiused a dwarf.
Lucas Cook
>‘It’s that Mudblood! Avada Kedavra!’ >Harry saw Hermione dive aside and his fury that Crabbe had aimed to kill wiped all else from his mind. He shot a Stunning Spell at Crabbe, who lurched out of the way, knocking Malfoy’s wand out of his hand; it rolled out of sight beneath a mountain of broken furniture and boxes. >‘Don’t kill him! DON’T KILL HIM!’ Malfoy yelled at Crabbe and Goyle, who were both aiming at Harry: their split second’s hesitation was all Harry needed. >‘Expelliarmus!’ >Goyle’s wand flew out of his hand and disappeared into the bulwark of objects beside him; Goyle leapt foolishly on the spot, trying to retrieve it; Malfoy jumped out of range of Hermione’s second Stunning Spell and Ron, appearing suddenly at the end of the aisle, shot a full Body-Bind Curse at Crabbe, which narrowly missed. >Crabbe wheeled round and screamed, ‘Avada Kedavra!’ again. Ron leapt out of sight to avoid the jet of green light. The wandless Malfoy cowered behind a three-legged wardrobe as Hermione charged towards them, hitting Goyle with a Stunning Spell as she came.
Michael Hall
AK is only an instakill spell if you really, personally, AND specifically want THAT person dead. That's what makes Voldemort so fucked up, frightening, and powerful. Because he can use it on anyone. AK doesn't even work if you're trying to use it in self defense. Or fear. Or 90% of the various reason you could "ethically" or "reasonably" kill some one. You can't even be a sociopath and use it, because if you don't genuinely want to kill the person and are just seeing their death as a mean to an end it doesn't work either. Voldemort is precisely that fucking insane, and that's why he is feared. AK isn't a magic gun, it's a curse in the truest fairy tale mythological sense.
Lucas Brooks
>AK isn't a gun If it only were.
Nathan Martin
I've heard and read more folclore about demons than things related to vampires in Mexico, brujos are everywhere so it's no surprise the majority of folclore has to be about wraiths or demons/fallen angels.
Brayden Reed
That's his point though A gun is a tool that might be used in hatred AK *is* hatred, in the form of a tool. It's a spell that's powered solely by spite, essentially wishing the person was dead so badly that he actually just dies.
Aiden Kelly
But if it worked like that then wouldn't it be innefective if someone who isn't the target of your hatred intercepted it? How did it even kill Voldemort when it was sent back by Harry's bullshit magical protections? Did he hate himself or something?
Parker Reed
The entire last battle was horseshit honestly and the whole "durr wand no kill master" shit felt like Rowling had shit it out last minute, I remember thinking even as a dumb teenager that this was contrived as fuck.
Camden Cruz
Eh, just let someone make a better AK. If the horrocrux was based on the dementor's kiss right? Someone will be able to make an AK that can kill without needing the intent. Hopefully by the 47th iteration.
Asher Watson
To be fair, there was no fucking way for Harry to beat Voldemort in a legit 1vs1 duel, Elder Wand or no Elder Wand. Kinda wish they went full FMA:B and had a bunch of wizards go like 15 vs 1 against him. Knightly, McGonagall and Slughorn fighting Voldemort seemed way more interesting than Harry's "duel" with him.
Andrew James
Source for this story?
Kevin Edwards
I don't remember horrocruxes ever being linked to Dementor kisses.
Aiden Martin
I don't think copying dementors is a good idea Speaking of dementors what the actual fuck are they even? They're not ghosts, they're not hatred given form, they don't even make sense since they feed off of human emotions so they must've evolved after humans and ???
Nathaniel Roberts
Crabbe and Goyle were literally mentally retarded weren't they
Aiden Smith
They are manmade monsters created by the guy who owned Azkaban in the past or some shit. Apparently they were the tamest thing the Ministry found there.
Jacob Reed
If Harry can't beat Voldy 1v1 then maybe Harry shouldn't fight Voldy 1v1 It was retarded as hell and made Harry look like an asspulling memelord and Voldemort look like a goddamn buffoon despite supposedly being a genius and le ebin powerful sorcerer.
Benjamin Thomas
Yet every Death Eater was able to use it including Crabbe and Goyle. The same intent with which you have to shoot a gun at someone to kill will power the AK.
Isaac Stewart
Re:zero is pretty kino, lots of great characters, hits ya right in the feels. The world seems okay but it needs another season to be fleshed out more.
What the fuck possesss a man to call himself Voldemort Even calling yourself Thomas Riddlus Invictus would be less cringe than fucking Voldemort, like are you expressing your suicidal urges or some shit it's like Riddle was rocking it to Linkin Park
Jackson Lopez
I always felt like if the Imperium of Man did just a little better then they'd upset the universal balance somehow.
Michael Russell
Re:zero had literally no worldbuilding in the anime. It was almost entirely character focused. It didnt even explain that ice cat rampage wasn't even a big deal. Since Reinhardt can solo Ice cat by himself.
Wait, I was wrong, it's never explained if he created them or if they just were there before he turned the island into his home: >The history of Dementors in relation to Wizarding society in Britain is inextricably tied up with one location: Azkaban. The island in the North Sea on which the wizard prison is built has never appeared on any map, wizard or Muggle. Perhaps its first resident, or even creator, Ekrizdis, practised the worst kinds of Dark magic and constructed a fortress on the island, luring Muggle sailors there to torture and murder them. After his death, the various concealment charms placed on the island faded, and the Ministry became aware of the mysterious site's existence. >Those who entered the deserted fortress to investigate discovered, among other horrors, an infestation of Dementors. Fearing the reprisal of these dark entities should anyone try to evict them, the Ministry decided to let the sizeable colony remain, unmolested and unchecked. Also: >Those who entered to investigate refused afterwards to talk of what they had found inside, but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with dementors.
Anthony Martinez
Guess i musht have remembered wrong. Still bummed nobody got the joke.
Nicholas Gonzalez
He was an edgy teenager who tortured animals and orphans for shit and giggles. What did you expect?
Christopher Kelly
I know actual psychopaths and they aren't half as edgy as he is Really the actual psychos aren't edgy at all, they had screen names like BummedUp or FiveFrozenFries
Colton Campbell
A gun is better than 90% of magic in HP and there is no way in Hell Voldemort would be able to take over Britain let alone the entire world. Well maybe Britain since they aren't allowed to carry knives without a license.
Jeremiah Scott
I find it funny that Voldemort barely managed to threaten the Isles without getting put down and is made out to be some sort of galactic threat Like seriously who the fuck cares lmao
John Butler
i loved that anime, tried to read the LN and it felt like i was reading some strokepost
Ayden White
>Take over the Isles Nigga barely took over a fucking school
Ian Wilson
Magic has way more uses and a single fyendfire unleashed in the middle of a capital city would fuck muggles up pretty hard.
Dylan Edwards
Is Voldemort basically Boudicca >everyone makes a big deal out of him even though he didn't accomplish or even threaten shit >entire war is basically him REEE'ing insecurely >gets put down like a dog after like a week of glory
Justin Ortiz
So he doesn't have any wards or magic spells that protect against a bullet? I wonder how would wizards deal with something such as nuclear radiation
Julian Howard
Cause they based of dragons age and that game didn't become as popular here as it is over there. So while we have many varied fantasy worlds they have dragon age.
James Wright
Only for killing shit You have muggles to kill things for you, you have magic to do everything else First law of D&D
Joseph Hall
All our technology would greatly reduce the effectiveness of magic. Not to mention technology can do everything HP magic can except for mind control and time travel (haha).
Asher Myers
I mean Protego is basically a forcefield but you have to cast the spell and how would you react in time to an incendiary round from a 20 mm cannon from a mile and a half out?
Jacob Green
In those shitty new movies the bad guy convinces a bunch of wizards to join him by showing them a vision of WW2 and the nuke so I doubt they can just shrug off that shit.
Justin Gray
Negima did the time travel better desu
Jordan Fisher
I thought protego only works on low level curses.
Nathaniel Lopez
who the fuck knows bro not even Rowling can get her shit straight iirc Rowling said something stupid like "guns don't work near magic", some Dresden Files shit
Angel Powell
It's scratchy but the foundations are solid and the mangaka does facial expression very well that it adds a lot of personality to each character compared to the source material. Paneling is great, figures are solid as well. Dynamic unlike really bad examples like pic related.
The wizards would lose against the muggles but only because they would probably try to fight them head-on like fucking retards. If they fought smart and ruthlessly by teleporting to random important places and unleashing shit like that endless fire curse then muggles would be fucked. Not to mention the potential uses of shit like the Imperius curse which muggles can't identify.
There's plenty of ways for a Wizard to fuck people up REALLY goddamn bad if they wanted, but Rowling lacks the imagination to do so.
Gavin Johnson
Magic doesn't work in places with lots of technology
Joshua Wood
Thought it was muggle technology rather than guns. And, assuming guns malfunction in the presence of magic, what about a bullet flying at a velocity of few hundreds of meters per second?
Kevin Hall
Yes, pretty much. A competent evil wizard would BTFO the muggles but a retard like Voldemort would probably order his followers to charge at them through an open field and whine as they get mowed down by machine guns.
Jaxon King
But Hagrid, Harry and Dumbledore do a bunch of magic shit in the Dursley's house. Fuck, the seventh book starts with the good guys and the bad guys flying around England while throwing spells at each other.
Bentley Cook
Karakuri Circus?
Lucas White
See >who the fuck knows bro not even Rowling can get her shit straight
Or a really angry farmer with a shotgun Can you even imagine Bellatrix getting done in by some old fart with a hunting shotgun or something
Ryder Scott
Because Rowling forgot that plot point
Nathan Moore
nah. I like this wave of isekai because it's just pure shameless wish-fulfillment that's easy to insert in or just adore like a daughter if it's an feMC
Luis Bennett
Guns are the killing curse, but can be cast from 600 meters away by anyone with 1 day of training.
Ayden Moore
Why not send them to jail in a place like california?
Ayden Torres
Killing people is probably the least impressive thing casters can do Nothing is really stopping them from basically just spamming amatersasu on every major city and power plant then just stealing the crops muggles harvest so they all starve to death
Elijah Gonzalez
That would require you to spot a wizard and aim at him first. Apparition would allow them to teleport around with little issue and if they really want to play it smart, they can always polyjuce into your best friend and throw an Avada Kedavra while you are distracted.
Christopher Thomas
And there is also the army of soul-sucking ghost thingies who muggles can't see and which can't be fought off unless you know a particular spell.
Angel Roberts
They can just be disillusioned the entire time and brainwash the cop next to you to shoot you instead
Jaxon Davis
I still don't understand dementors They seem horribly unbalanced and frankly a little pointless too, they're spooky as hell but are they just like flat out invincible?
Camden Morales
Does anyone else think Harry Potter has been one of the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises? Each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though r-right
"No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.
They are depression ghosts because Rowling went through depression and that's how it felt for her or something.
Sebastian Perry
This is assuming that muggles don't eventually find anti-wizard measures and/or wizard sympathizers over time. Wizards would probably still lose out of pure attrition which if Rowling was competent with worldbuilding, would probably explain why wizards are in hiding in the first place.
Liam Nguyen
are you seriously using that troll image unironically?
Ryder Hughes
What, fucking Dread Wraiths feeling her ass up every day as she moaned about she wished her husband's fat cock were with her again and then kissing her with rotten mouths and sucking the soul out of her?
The hiding shit doesn't even make sense though. HOW are they hiding when you have these kids who can be born with magic literally goddamn anywhere?
You're responding to pasta.
Christopher Long
I never understood why the fuck they are hiding or, rather, I understand why they are hiding in the modern world where technology is everywhere and guns abound by what the fuck were they afraid of hundred of years ago when the strongest weapon a muggle had was a crossbow?
Andrew Howard
What book in shit tier do you love user so I can ridicule you?
Ian Price
You speak like a crossbow isn't hot shit or that a sword is somehow less lethal than a gun Only the highest power guns are going to hurt less than a heavy blade bro
Dylan Phillips
Oh this too How the fuck do they manage to keep the secret even with the memory wiping shit? All it takes is one attentionwhore wizard to unleash a spell in the middle of a crowded street or record himself doing magic and upload it to Youtube to fuck everything up.
Anthony Barnes
Not him but there's literally nothing wrong with Huck Finn, Alice, Wuthering Heights, or LotR. Really from a stylistic point of view, ASoIaF is fine too.
Jonathan Wilson
A crossbow and a sword are hot shit if you are fighting another muggle. Against a wizard who can insta-kill your and throw a bajillion deadly curses at you, they feel kind of useless.
Hunter Nelson
Escaflowne was another. Alot of the older RPG/Isekai series were better done but then alot of them also didn't world build outside of Final Fantasy 1-2 logic, retaining all the races that those games had or just aped D&D. The few that didn't were interesting but they were more about creating a brand to last, not converting an autismo LN series to a manga/anime with as much fan service as possible to entrap as many fags as they can.
It's the same logic as old school panty shots being a notable event but now there's an entire genre where panty shots and fetishes are rammed into, making pantsu completely redundant.
Grayson Nelson
I mean sure but has magic been like 100% stagnant for all of its history That's actually the big trap in building magic I think. Making it utterly, utterly stagnant, especially if the rest of the world's moved on without it. It's just like, bro why? If it's totally unresearchable sure but if you ca improve it then it should be improved. Different formulae for magic circles, different styles and theories, different modes of casting, cultural differences, redesigns that literally don't work if you use them the old way, breakthroughs in metaphysics, so on. Give me progress, even if it's background information. The one with the mage princess gives me a sense of real change by the second or third chapter and I appreciate that.
Robert Bell
You need to see a doctor.
Hunter Ramirez
You guys forget the biggest weakness of magic is that all spells are slow fucking beams that even little kids can dodge with some distance.
Jack Rodriguez
Fuck off with all your Rowlingshit
Nathaniel Fisher
Nah not all spells Only targeted ones
Asher Perry
i mean rowling was never about proper worldbuilding but if I had to take a guess, the wizards were probably more about being isolationists rather than hiding. Why bother when you have a bunch of idiots trying to burn you at the stake and it's too much trouble (and threatening to other wizard factions) if you try to brainwash all the muggles
Leo Edwards
So basically any spell that can be used against muggles? There is no way wizards can fight muggles. I mean Tom's mom almost starved to death despite having magic. They are all retarded.
Michael Stewart
You sure post a lot of retarded shit user.
Hudson Jones
>upload it to Youtube to fuck everything up. to be fair, Rowling did start the series before internet and smartphones were everywhere
Nathaniel Martinez
I honestly struggle to make sense of any setting where magic users aren't the ruling class unless there is ki or some martial arts shit everyone else can use to counter them. Specially in most isekai stories where the magic s some broken bullshit that can do pretty much anything with no limits even if you ignore the MC and his cheats.
Joseph Sanders
>I mean Tom's mom almost starved to death despite having magic She basically starved herself to death though Dumbledore outright says she could easily have saved herself, she just had enough It was the Wizard equivalent of necking yourself
Ryan Ward
Tom's mom couldn't use magic due to being traumatized by her brother and father.
Christian Jenkins
Can't you guys read? Fuck off with your HPshit/Rowlingshit to
Tyler Powell
>maps serve 0 purpose This is what pisses me off the most about Isekai. Like NGNL had a nice Risk-like map that the story could've revolved around, but it's immediately canned and never mentioned again.
Easton Brown
>The stat screens/RPG mechanics are what I hate the most about the genre. enjoy
Is there anyone who actually keeps track of this shit or even gives a fuck?
Isaac Nguyen
Russian popadantsy ruined isekai long before the Japanese even started making any. It's literally the exact same kind of pathetic wish fulfillment except for boomers who miss the times when Russia was stronk.
Joshua Baker
If you read through them you can find some cool shit and they're brought up once in a while But in this case the huge goddamn list is meant to show that this guy is big dick as fuck, since Kumo had been mostly fighting skill shitters with stats instead of special abilities.
Angel Sullivan
>there's any native vampire in Mexico folclore or media? Not vampires (outside of some colony-era legends and some modern urban stories). However, if you are willing to go beyond vampires, a lot of strange creatures existed in pre-hispanic mythology, like the Tzitzimimeh, the Cihuateteo who appear at crossroads, the many apparitions of Tezcatlipoca, the god of Night, Jaguars, magic, rulers and slaves, earthquakes, the dreaded North direction, divination, Fate, etc., who the peoples of Mesoamerica considered one of the most terrifying. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzitzimitl >ejournal.unam.mx/ecn/ecnahuatl30/ECN03007.pdf
I just hate how it's always the same races in every isekai
>goblin >elf >dark elf >orcs >kemonomimi shit
Matthew Jenkins
Why bother inventing new races just to be unique when you have races that are known and recognized though If you're going to have shitter monsters that're a general nuisance then you may as well call them Goblins unless for some reason they absolutely HAVE to be called something else. If you have savage monsters then why not call them orcs, etc.
Connor Nelson
Mine are pretty much that >humans >elves >dwarves >kemonomimi >mind flayers And then monster shit like goblins, ogres, etc and demons who are Berserk Apostle ripoffs. I regret nothing.
Connor Brooks
Do you have mineflayers?
Landon Collins
Not!Greek Mind Flayers from a different continent than the other races which is filled with more "animalistic" races like snakemen. I honestly don't know why I introduced them or their continent and I have no idea of what to do with any of them.
Sebastian Hill
Let's put this to the test with the Salarymen-Trio of
Tanya Ainz Rimuru
>generic poor village No Yes (at the beginning - then it gets taken over and gradually upgraded with some help of proag) Yes (a poor low-level monster village at the beginning - then it gets dropped like a hot potato and a new village that grows to nation-size gets built elsewhere) >generic kingdom that looks good but its actually corrupt No Rather than "corrupt" the kingdom was already breaking apart and was doomed to fall within 3-4 years even if the protag didn't interfere No, there are several nations, some good, some bad >generic monsters such goblins,slimes orc etc No Yes, but who cares? Will you complain about 99% of all literature having the "generic species" called "humans" next? Yes, but it's in the fucking title so you can fuck off before even starting if you hate it so much >generic races that have no costums of their own or different culture and they all have a country of their own No No No >maps serve 0 purpose No No No
This takes all media versions as a whole of each franchise into account (i.e. WN+LN+manga+anime)
