Do people hate Deku because he's an underdog?

so you want the story to keep rinse and repeating that same shit for years?

Still assblasted Deku is smashing your mom Bakuckgo?

No, because he is the exact opposite of an underdog.

>I'm quirkless in a world where that means I'm essentially a second-class citizen.
>This is the story about how I became the world's greatest hero!
>First I was given the powers of the current greatest hero, but it will only get stronger!
>And THEN it turns out I actually have 20 superpowers! All exponentially stronger then the original users'!

People hate Deku because he can be kind of a bitch and they don't feel like he earned what he has.

The first complaint is pretty valid. Deku's behavoir around Bakugo is just retarded and I just can't see anyone taking nothing, but bad feedback from someone for over a decade and still admiring them or caring about their feelings. It's one thing to try to save his life and it's another to feel like you owe him an answer about where your quirk came from. Deku doesn't owe him shit.

The hard work thing is debatable. Deku doesn't put in the physical work towards his dreams until All Might steps in and gives him achievable goals. But he does do the mental work of constantly watching heroes and studying their techniques. The problem is that this isn't as manly as the behavior of your average shonen protagonist so it's dismissed.

I mean I don't hate Deku, you can actually do interesting things with a straightforward moral character if you expose them to scenarios which challenge their conventions of what the right thing to do really is, and if those challenges actually stimulate them to grow and make new choices that they previously might not have.

But the longer the story goes on the more clear it becomes that BnH isn't going to do that, and after that all you have left is plot milestones that aren't emotionally rewarding; so I'm hemorrhaging interest.

More like undercuck

Continuing on this compare Deku to the likes of Naruto or Luffy. Luffy wants to be king of the pirates, Naruto wants to be the hokage. Both of them do plenty of physical work, they punch and kick and do sit ups until the sun comes down. But if Luffy actually had to try and sail a ship on his own he'd be dead within a week. The show starts with the idiot floating in a barrel. Then you have Naruto, a kid who went to ninja school for at least six years, but upon graduating can't explain to you what chakra is.

Both of these idiots are looked at as strong and determined heroes despite barely having the knowledge necessary to thrive in their fields. Meanwhile Deku does all the studying, but doesn't train himself physically and honestly of the three, Deku makes the most sense because Deku had no one teaching him how to reach his goal. Naruto had Iruka and the academy. Luffy at least knew a famous marine and hung out in a port town. The tools for both of them were there. No one was really going to train a quirkless kid to fight quirk users.

>underdog
Until he ate magic hair. Which wouldn't bother me if not for There are just too many interesting and more relatable characters than him, so any drawn out scene of him crying or saving the day bore me. I don't hate him but I don't like him either.

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Every plot point has been reaffirming Deku's beliefs. None of it was challenged, instead it just is all about "Deku was right all along"

When you realize Deku having no quirk was pointless and doesn't really affect his character or the theme of the show in any way, he's becomes just another run of the mill "I wanna be the guy" hero in the series with an overpowered ability that carries him. He's not an underdog in the slightest
>anyone can be a hero!
t. a guy who got the best quirk and 7 other quirks because why the fuck not

Yeah exactly my point. It was carrying itself until now on the premise of him learning how to use his power without wrecking himself. That's good as a starting point because you need to have some capacity to exercise agency before you can start questioning what the right choices to make really are.

You're not meant to fucking stay there forever.

Better than turning Deku into Goku where he has a power to solve any problem

In what universe is obtaining the strongest power along with 6 more powers an underdog story?

Yes and no. I think people wanted an HFY, you can do it if you really try story, and that wasn't what MHA was ever really set to be. From the moment we learn about All Might's quirk the real message of MHA becomes clear. Life can be hard and challenging, but from the people around us and the people who came before us we can find strength. Deku is an everyman catapulted to greatness thanks to the efforts of the people. Communist propaganda basically.

You realise Deku will eventually possess BOTH AfO and OfA, right?

OfA held the stockpiling quirk briefly. That means he's somewhere in there with all the other predecessors. If Deku can use their quirks too, and AfO makes those latent quirks stronger than they initially manifested, he's pretty much going to turn godmode one day.

He was an underdog super briefly, that ended the second he learned full cowl. Hell one of the Class B members even says outright that in terms of raw strength he's possibly even slightly better than Bakugou at this point.

He's not an underdog past midway through the first arc. At the end of the first arc he can BTFO practically any real threat. He also sucks Bakugos dick constantly which gets annoying

MHA whould have beem 100x better if Deku remained quirkless from the very beginning and proves that being a hero is not about having strong abilities but about the will of helping people in need.

>Deku
>underdog
Don't make me laugh. He has the most broken quirk in the universe and he's such absolute garbage at being a hero that he constantly needs plot hax to bail him out of trouble. Todoroki and Bakugo are the underdogs in this series, because their quirks are just abnormally strong, not completely broken. Seeing them stand up to and overcome powerful villains will always be more exciting than seeing Deku do it, because Deku should be able to 1hko anything in the verse while Todo and Baku actually have to play around the strengths and weaknesses of their quirks.

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Deku is no underdog, his constant improvement already established him as a pillar to his class

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Everyone hates Deku because they self-insert as Bakugo, because he's a jackass with no redeeming qualities that female fans cream themselves over

He isn't even an underdog though, especially since O my 7 quirks. At best, he was limited early on by being unable to use his power at all without crippling himself, but ever since he overcame that limitation he outclasses, or rather should outclass, virtually anyone he comes across. That's part of what's grating about his character, he's a fucking top dog who the story wants us to believe is an underdog

>Todoroki and Bakugo are the underdogs in this series
now you've gone full retard

This.
I love underdogs, Deku is just bland, gets his powers handed to him, and he doesn't even have a "cool" factor, he's just pathetic.
In the early days I hoped using strategy would be his thing, but nope.

I hate Deku mostly because his power is so fucking inconsistent and boring. For example his speed is only ever as speedy as the manga demands, people who have no business keeping up with his full cowl are doing it just fine for the sake of the fight

>repeating that same shit for years?
Well, it's a battle shonen, so repeating shit for years is pretty much the default. Shit where the underdog struggles against their limits and is a hero despite them is better than a hero who has powers coming out the ass though.

>Deku
>underdog
Weak bait, try harded next time. The only underdog shounen protags in current shounen jump are Luffy and maybe the guy from chainsaw man

No, they hate him because he literally got a free pass.

I hate Boku no Pico Academia in general just because of the concept of a superhero academy is childish and fucking retarded. It never worked for Marvel or DC.

Try reading the manga, retards.

I did, I dropped it because it was shit.

I've read every chapter, deku behaves like a pathetic cuck, stay eternally seething

This. Fuck Decuck

This is why you fucking BnH tards are becoming the worst fanbase on Yea Forums, Dragonball isn't some "War & Peace" or great Yea Forums but you're missing the fucking point if you think Goku is invincible.

The point of Goku is that he SURPASSES limits that were previously on him DBS even LITERALLY named their 2nd op "Limit X Survivor" based on the fact that Goku had to break his limit several times to "survive" save his universe from destruction.

Giving a character 7 abilities along with the previous existing one makes Deku more of having the power to get through any situation than Goku does, and this coming from some guy who was literally a pleb at the beginning of his series handed a fucking free handjob while barely putting any effort for it.

X-men was for the better part of 20 years the most popular american comic on earth.
Also kid superhero learning from adult superhero has always been popular.

Problem is that Hori should have read up on why the x-men sold and why other teen books shat the bed.
He also should have done more to build up his roster of villians and heros and create full living breathing world.

He fucked all of that up and has been trying at a shitty battle shounen formula plus failing to build up the albatross known as the leagaue of villains for arcs now.

In the long run, anyone who doesn't have OFA or AFO is an underdog in the competition to become the #1 hero

>The point of Goku is that he SURPASSES limits that were previously on him DBS even LITERALLY named their 2nd op "Limit X Survivor" based on the fact that Goku had to break his limit several times to "survive" save his universe from destruction.

Super Goku fucking sucks shit.
They threw all of DB under the bus and retroactively assfucked the entire goddamned series to build Goku up for no goddamned reason.
Super Broly alone destroyed nearly 5 pieces of canon that just fucks the entire goddamned world all so they could give goku a goddamned blowjob.

People hate his sub shit tier full on mary sue ass now for a goddamned reason user. He fucking sucks and the entire series turns to shit anytime he's on screen or the plot is about him in anyway.
They couldn't even let fucking broly be on this mysterious planet where goku had to train to one day fight him on equal terms and eventually fight him.
They did this stupid ass goddamned goku blowjob of an ending that was in many ways worse then how they forced the entire probably good broly story and plot around goku.
Much worse.
Why?
Because this shit is canon.

that pic turns me on for some reason

I'm talking *about* the manga, retard.

But you didn't read it properly, speedreader-kun.

Asta is a better underdog. Kid trained his body for years, enough to wield a big sword. Plues he's cooler than Deku.

Good point, and you can see it in action by looking at the relationship between Endeavour and pre-retirement All Might.
Endeavour is firmly established to be a fucking beast whose entire life is about being stronger and winning, and even he can't hold a candle to AFO. Even if you argue that Bakugou and Todoroki are going to end up stronger than Endeavour, by that logic Deku is also going to end up stronger than All Might.

Unless Deku somehow gets nerfed or either Bakugou/Deku pull a valiant sacrifice at the big showdown this is probably the inevitable outcome of that rivalry, albeit with Bakugou probably being way less of a sore loser because happy ending.

I'm this guy >Please point out to me the story arc I skimmed over where Deku's fundamental motivations and philosophy come up against an actual challenge and he has think about what is the right course of action to take.

You see tiny bits of it here and there. His jumping in to stop the hero-killer was technically illegal vigilantism (which is swept under the rug and he get a pat on the head), and his caution when meeting Overhaul means Eri doesn't get rescued immediately (but it was arguably the right choice anyway). But those moments never actually give him pause for thought.

Deku is *always* the good guy, villains are *always* the bad guy, there's never any question as to whether he's right and the villains need to be stopped.

No I hate the show because the premise is a lie in the very first episode.

>underdog
>the ubermensch is your teacher
>the ubermensch gives his ubermensch genes to you
>because you are doubly ubermensch you actually get the abilities of seven (7) other ubermensches for free

Hell no.

He was OP'ed with one for all. Now he has seven more quirks to pull out of his asses that are also strong because of OFA. Fuck was he thinking.

I've never seen an author shoot themselves in the foot so badly as 7 quirks, not even exaggerating.

To be fair, Deku's OFA should've stayed as a double edged sword, I liked him a lot in the sports festival though, too bad it was All For Nothing.

He's like if young goku didnt have to always work hard for a lot of his powers.

He's a flat development character, which is fine, except he doesnt actually change much around him. The point of the flat development character is that they are the anchor that lets and causes other characters to develop. They are the anchor that pilots the series ideals to the point it warps the casts. Deku does not do that and the fact that the only thing that seperates him from other heroes is effectively genetic luck.

Goku on the other hand is THE singular cause for the majority of his cast's development, despite him being a simple hardly ever changing character, DB could not be it without him.
With Deku it feels like the story could have been about any other hero with the same ideals.

Saitama's another good example. It's not about him finding a challenge or actually losing to something, it's about him trying to be a good person, not bathing in heroism despite him wanting it.

Don't expect Yea Forums to get this. Just keep letting these brainlets think that If a main character doesn't go through ten different character shifts throughout the series that they're obviously a bad protagonist .

hes no underdog hes a mary sue

you carnt read can you

this is so true its sad that most of underage Yea Forums babys will never understand and just see this as trolling

It's just that Deku never really had that charisma to really be a solid MC. And he has some cool moments like his fight with Muscular but they are really a few and basically the same moment repeats again and again (vs Overhaul and vs Gentle). And then the rest of the time he proceeds to be Bakugo and All Might's dick sucker, which really doesn't add anything and he ends up being an unlikable bitch. He really shouldn't be as static as he is, given that he needs to change for the better.

>Please point out to me the story arc I skimmed over where Deku's fundamental motivations and philosophy come up against an actual challenge and he has think about what is the right course of action to take.
All the time

>Asta is a better underdog
>Is given the most broken ability in the manga

Anime only here, hopping in and out of this thread, I'm kinda miffed by how strong Deku already is since he's the underdog, does he at least get nerfed later?

>an ability so broken it needed support and strategy to win literally every battle it was in
totally

Series stopped being interesting when Deku didn't have to destroy himself to use his powers. Heroes without weaknesses are boring.

It doesn't need support and startegy. His magic is the anti thesis to every magic in the fucking setting. That's not an underdog you fucking retard.

dude he won only one 1v1 fight in the whole series and it was Ladros
literally everyone else found a way to counter or at least manage anti-magic pretty efficiently
it's not really broken

>He's like if young goku didnt have to always work hard for a lot of his powers.
Goku literally learns his signature technique just by looking at Roshi do it one time as a kid like nothing. The entire fucking joke with Goku during DB was that he was incredibly strong for no reason. Deku on the other had hasn't evenb mastered OfA yet, is a not a combat genius, can't brute force his way out of every situation and has to think of alternatives against his own weakness. His power is not only a beneficiary but is also his own worst enemy.

> except he doesnt actually change much around him.

He does. Deku's development is not just tiied to him getting stronger its tied to also becoming a better person in general because even with a strong quirk Deku isn't "hero-like" at his current stage where his own character flaws stop him from achieving his goal.

>Deku does not do that
Todoroki, Bakugou, All Might all proves this wrong because their development is tied with Deku's the only think you can say is that unlike most protagonists these characters have their own plots that doesn't resolve around Deku and because the plot doesn't treat him as someone special.

>Goku on the other hand is THE singular cause for the majority of his cast's development
This literally only applies to Vegeta.

>dude he won only one 1v1 fight
Wrong
>literally everyone else found a way to counter or at least manage anti-magic pretty efficiently
Nope, none of them actually countered is grimoire. Asta's only problem is his inexperienced but as a whole he's already among the strongest characters in the series with it hence why calling him an underdog is retarded at this point.

>it's not really broken

It is dumbvass.

there's only one series that does the 'underdog MC' trope correctly

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He's not an underdog anymore. He was actually extremely based when he was. Now he's more of an actual hero and that made him boring, but I cant fault him because the rest of the series is boring.

Here's hoping 7 quirks fixes the series.

>He's not an underdog anymore.
Why?

Anyone know?

Deku was better when he was at least somewhat of an underdog, as in having to catch up to the others because he got his quirk relatively recently. Not to mention that most of the people with top tier quirks that could be real competition for deku became retards and jobbers. Or just stopped being relevant.

Asta is obviously going to get better at using Anti-magic, but at this point he really isn't that stronger as everyone hyped him to be. But he actually needs support in big fights, he hasn't really won over a main antagonist besides Ladros, he has only defeated Sekke (who doesn't really count as a milestone), Revchi and Valtos. In the whole Royal Knights Arc and so far in the Elf Arc he had to fight alongside others to win, every time.
Don't get me wrong, it's battle shonen, Asta is clearly going to be stupidilly OP someday as well Deku will have 7 quirks 100% OfA mastered someday, but right now Asta has a long way until people can call him broken.

Oh, I don't know...maybe having a total of 7 quirks?

>Deku was better when he was at least somewhat of an underdog, as in having to catch up to the others because he got his quirk relatively recently.
So he's still an underdog

What are these quirks? Have they all manifested? Has he mastered any of them yet?

>character supposed to be a subversion of the shonen protag trope
>becomes said trope

yikes plus ultra

Because he actually wins fights. With his current arsenal he is able to go toe to toe with actual threats but he is still getting better.

He doesnt have them yet.

I like how you literally didn't dispute anything just repeating the same shit BCfags say all the fucking time like idiots.

If only he would stop being a little bitch..

>Being an underdog means always losing

An underdog is someone who is at a disadvantage in every encounter they face it doesn't mean that they must lose these encounters.

Guys?

Because everything he said was wrong in the first place

Based. His weaknesses frustrated me at first but now I absolutely love watching him learn to make do with what he has.

Except it wasn't. Asta ain't an underdog and everyone in that universe is apparently a retard

Bros?

because he isn't going anywhere personality wise

You clearly don't read it user

Help...

because trannies I dunno

I hate him because of how he still looks up to and praises Bakugou despite the years of mistreatment. He even said that he resents Bakugou early on but I feel that was a lie. Also, all his fights are won by luck and him punching or kicking harder.

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Please...

>Bakugou and Todoroki fans coming together to hate on Decuck

Peace between two rivals gangs I'm so proud

>at first he was the ultimate underdog
>then he had a power that would break his bones if he used it so he had to manage that
>then he got a hold of the power and became slightly weaker
>then he got 5 extra powers
>all in his first year of highschool
So now the more interesting part is the underdog characters who weren't mentored by superman and don't have great combat powers

>Deku
>Underdog
People actually fell for this bait

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