What do you think about Gainax and Trigger anime?

Ninja Slayer is actually rubbish, too. No clue why it's blue.

Gainax is good
Trigger is only decent when they are doing shorts and ovas

Contrarians will never admit it but these 4 shows were all made by Gainax. You should add them to your list, OP.

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>DYRL
>Gainax
They only got the least impressive cuts in the entire thing. Anno's cuts are so fucking laughable compared to the actually good ones it's almost sad.

Regardless of the plot and the characters Trigger's animation is always fucking nice to look at

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There is no point in combining the two into 1 list.

Disingenuous or ignorant claim.

His are the only good ones though.

You could combine all of Anno's cuts and they would still be less impressive than the single non-gravity cut Nakamura cut.

If you look at that list the only anime from Gainax that fit in with Trigger is TTGL and PSG.
Other Gainax work just have a completely different feel.

>Ninja Slayer was 4 years ago.

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that one isn't good or impressive

0% chance this poster has seen re:cutie honey

Yes, yes.

Can it be concluded that Khara is fucking garbage?

I have, my point still stands.

debris moving across a static background isn't good

If you only watched the rebuilds maybe.

What a dumb statement. Honneamise and FLCL have nothing in common, yet they're both Gainax, and Gridman has far more in common with Anno's anime than with Imaishi's.

Yes, yes.

FLCL feels very Gainax to me. Aboenobashi Mahou Shotengai as well. Gunbuster is a clear influence on much of their work.

FLCL definitely feels similar with its Kanada style animation, and Imaishi directed several episodes of other shows there. Also, Trigger is basically "Gunbuster" the studio.

Gainax peaked with KareKano.

My point is that Trigger anime only really have in common with the Gainax work of Imaishi. So to try and combine the two studios is disingenuous.
And while you can see similarities in Amemiya's directing to Anno, Gridman doesn't feel like a Anno anime.

Have you just never seen FLCL or Gunbuster?

Funny that you're complaining about Trigger, since the Khara inclusions are a much more radical departure from older Gainax anime than anything Trigger has done.

I disagree, FLCL's tone, atmosphere, and story feels a lot more like the earlier Gainax works than anything they did after Diebuster.
And I do not see at all how you can see the similarities in Gunbuster to Trigger, Gunbuster feels like an Anno show in every way. While Imaishi have an entirely different style.

>My point is that Trigger anime only really have in common with the Gainax work of Imaishi. So to try and combine the two studios is disingenuous.
And I've already explained how that point is dumb. Imaishi has been heavily involved in directing and storyboarding since Karekano, episodes of FLCL and Abenobashi are 100% his, Tsurumaki himself influenced his style directly. Removing Honneamise, an outlier which doesn't resemble anything else Gainax has done, would make more sense.
>And while you can see similarities in Amemiya's directing to Anno, Gridman doesn't feel like a Anno anime.
You obviously haven't seen Gridman.

>I disagree, FLCL's tone, atmosphere, and story feels a lot more like the earlier Gainax works than anything they did after Diebuster.
Yeah right.

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>I do not see at all how you can see the similarities in Gunbuster to Trigger
It's the model on which they've based the narrative for KlK, Luluco, and LWA.

Not to mention that Inferno Cop and Gridman's narratives are very explicit references to EVA in many ways. Amemiya of course worked as a key animator and episode director of at least four Gainax anime.

I have, they are part of the reason as to why I don't think Trigger feel like Gainax.

I never complained about Trigger, I like most of their shows in fact.
I just don't think they have captured what I loved about Gainax, as other people seem to think.

I can't exactly explain why that despite Imaishi worked on Karekano, FLCL and Abenobashi they still feel like the rest of Gainax works, probably his influence simply wasn't that strong in the overall feel of the show since he only storyboarded and was Animation director on those instead of the actual Director, who is the prime reason a work as its overall feel Director.
I simply can't understand how anyone could feel that FLCL is similar to TTGL or KLK.
>You obviously haven't seen Gridman.
I have and I liked it a lot.

What is that meant to prove?

>karekano
>red
>psg
>red
>lwa
>blue
its shit

Nadia is really fucking good except for the really fucking bad parts.

>his influence simply wasn't that strong in the overall feel of the show since he only storyboarded and was Animation director on those instead of the actual Director, who is the prime reason a work as its overall feel Director.
No, he was the actual "A U T E U R" director on episodes for both of those shows. Not just animation or key animations.

I know that they are shit which is why they are marked red.

The post-Gainax era is pretty exciting, despite unfortunate duds like Rebuild and FranXX.
That's some impressively awful taste.
Low IQ posts. It's always cringeworthy seeing people who never understood Gainax comment on the current state of affairs.
They made some great shorts and AOTY 2017, so no.

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TTGL is still the best anime of all time.

>It's the model on which they've based the narrative for KlK, Luluco, and LWA.
Just because they base their narrative on Gunbuster, which I don't think they do, doesn't mean they will feel like Gunbuster.
The characters, tone, and how it handles its story is entirely different.

>Not to mention that Inferno Cop and Gridman's narratives are very explicit references to EVA in many ways. Amemiya of course worked as a key animator and episode director of at least four Gainax anime.
just because they reference Eva doesn't mean they will feel like Eva or any other of Anno's work. And Amemiya having worked on Gainax anime is irrelevant.

TTGL is not objectively better than NGE or FLCL.

Gainax is good.
I liked Kill la Kill and LWA, but Trigger really fucked up majorly last year.

Putting MLWA in green and blue while putting both Gunbusters and Panty and Stocking in red. How dare you

But he didn't make the show, which was my point. With shows like TTGL, KLK or Luluco he was the creative force behind them. He wasn't with those you mentioned. Just making an episode is different, no matter how much freedom he is given, since you wouldn't want to, nor could you easily, change the entire tone of the show in just 1 episodes before switching back, because that is all in the characters, setting and story, which doesn't go away for an episode just because Imaishi directed it.

>The characters, tone, and how it handles its story is entirely different.
Sure, since they're original works. How similar does it need to be for you? There's a clear stylistic progression present if you look for it.

Honestly don't know how to respond about your claim that Amemiya's being trained as an animation director at Gainax doesn't affect his style, since it's completely ignorant.

When kLk was big I was a Tumblr user, and I hated it, trigger niggers and Tumblr

This should be in museums.

If you look at Gunbuster, Nadia, Eva and KareKano you can feel that they are all directed by the same person. I do not at all see the progression into KLK or Luluco in Gunbuster.

>your claim that Amemiya's being trained as an animation director at Gainax doesn't affect his style
Didn't say that. It was you that claimed that somehow him being an animator on 4 Gainax shows would somehow make Gridman feel like Gainax made it, which is stupid.

>I can't exactly explain why that despite Imaishi worked on Karekano, FLCL and Abenobashi they still feel like the rest of Gainax works, probably his influence simply wasn't that strong in the overall feel of the show since he only storyboarded and was Animation director on those instead of the actual Director, who is the prime reason a work as its overall feel Director.
And I've already stated, episodes of FLCL and Abenobashi are 100% his. If you didn't think this or FLCL #5 felt like Imaishi anime, I'd suggest to have your eyes checked.
>I simply can't understand how anyone could feel that FLCL is similar to TTGL or KLK.
If you want to find a point where the style of the studio dramatically changes, it's FLCL, not the passage from Gainax to Trigger.
>I have and I liked it a lot.
If you had, you would have noticed how the show is like 80% in the style of Evangelion, both in the tokusatsu-styled fights and the atmospheric, highly sensorial style of direction of the drama parts.

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>If you didn't think this or FLCL #5 felt like Imaishi anime, I'd suggest to have your eyes checked.
This, it was total Imaishi-core through and through. user is a retard.

Though the overlap did not start in Kare Kano I think it's very clear where the progression from that to FLCL, then Re:, then TTGL, then PSG, then KLK and then Luluco is.

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This. user must have hit his head at some point.

>If you look at Gunbuster, Nadia, Eva and KareKano you can feel that they are all directed by the same person. I do not at all see the progression into KLK or Luluco in Gunbuster.
You are only proving my point. There is 15 years worth of shows bridging that gap you just completely disregarded you fucking moron.

Also, he was an animator on 6 different Gainax shows and two films, and it's where he trained as an animation director. You didn't even read my post, or you don't know the difference between an animator and a key animator or animation director.

Just because you can see Imaishi animated it doesn't mean it will feel like an Imaishi anime. It takes more than that as I said, you would have to change the characters and story.
>If you want to find a point where the style of the studio dramatically changes, it's FLCL,
FLCL only feels like a dramatic change because of some parts of NGE. I don't think it was drastic at all overall.
>you would have noticed how the show is like 80% in the style of Evangelion, both in the tokusatsu-styled fights and the atmospheric, highly sensorial style of direction of the drama parts
You can tell that it is influenced by Eva for sure. But at the same time it feels completely different. Something like KareKano or FLCL feels a lot more like Eva than Gridman ever did. Only episode 1 and 2 really feels like something Anno maybe could have directed. And because Gridman battles are 3D while Eva's are 2D makes them entirely different, even if they are both inspired by tokusatsu

There's still an obvious progression even if the entire show wasn't his style. He also did stuff for GGG, Getter Robo Armageddon and Eva itself but someone wouldn't be remiss for not being able to pick that out on a first watch. But it's pretty obvious in something like Abenobashi, and anyone who's paying attention will be able to connect that to the style of KLK.
Agreed on Gridman. The inspiration is there but it's has its own style.

At some point when you continuously progress you stop being recognizable from your starting point. And that point was crossed somewhere during TTGL, PSG, and KLK, and they feel a lot more like solely Imaishi thing than anything Gainax.

>Also, he was an animator on 6 different Gainax shows and two films, and it's where he trained as an animation director. You didn't even read my post, or you don't know the difference between an animator and a key animator or animation director.
2 of those was TTGL and PSG which would strengthen my point more than anything. But my point here is that just because he worked on them doesn't mean his own work will feel like them. If I thought that then I would think that Imaishi's work felt like KareKano or Eva.

>At some point when you continuously progress you stop being recognizable from your starting point
Yeah, Beowulf isn't very similar to The Wasteland, but they're still part of the Western canon of poetry. The progression is what makes the comparison interesting, if anything.
>2 of those was TTGL and PSG which would strengthen my point more than anything
No, just because for some reason you're unwilling to admit they "count" for some reason.
>just because he worked on them doesn't mean his own work will feel like them
But they do, so your point is moot.

>Low IQ posts. It's always cringeworthy seeing people who never understood Gainax comment on the current state of affairs.

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Nice anime reaction image, retard.

>Yeah, Beowulf isn't very similar to The Wasteland, but they're still part of the Western canon of poetry. The progression is what makes the comparison interesting, if anything.
In that case you should expand the list to show all the different shows that influenced Gainax in its early days, to truly have a complete progression chart. Where is the work of Tomino or Miyazaki. Where is Devilman or Ace wo Nerae.
No, just because for some reason you're unwilling to admit they "count" for some reason.
They count as Gainax shows, but as it should have been made clear, in my opinion those two shows feel more like Imaishi's shows than other Gainax shows.
>But they do, so your point is moot.
They don't, otherwise I wouldn't be arguing.

Honestly, if you're too daft to pick up on the clear authorial and stylistic progression being discussed here, no amount of hand holding is going to help you. Just move along.

>Honestly, if you're too daft to pick up on the clear authorial and stylistic progression being discussed here, no amount of hand holding is going to help you. Just move along.

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>crossboarding retard doesn't understand shit about anime
Color me surprised.

I am not sure what discussion you are referring to. If you really wanted to map out the influences Gainax have had you wouldn't limit yourself to trigger. OP, or whoever made the list, probably just picked out their favorite Gainax/Trigger works with no consideration for how they influenced each other.

Are you playing devil's advocate here or something? The point is there's a distinct visual overlap between many of Imaishi's works at Gainax and Trigger that defined not just one or two scenes from one or two shows but entire episodes worth of content across a great deal of shows. Anno's may have worked on Nausicaa, DYRL or CCA but that doesn't make them Gainax shows, which is why I brought up GGG and Getter, shows Imaishi worked on but ones that he didn't overwhelmingly impact the style of. It's not about who was inspired by what or every little thing they ever worked on, and the chart has to begin and end somewhere.

Trigger is very inconsistent with quality

True, but so was Gainax, and Khara is as well.

Yeah, but which studio isn't?
I can't think of a single studio that has only made good stuff or only bad stuff.

TTGL is objectively better than NGE, for sure.

>wouldn't limit yourself to trigger
There are three other studios in that graphic. Just stop arguing over nothing.

>Essential Gainax/Trigger Related Anime

No it isn't. The themes are outright shallower and narrower in scope. The characters are shallower as well, and the number of fleshed-out characters is fewer. None of the girls in TTGL are any good at all. I love the show but NGE is the better work.

>Gainax
I'm a fan
>Trigger
garbage

>Essential Gainax anime
>No Sailor Moon S

For TV 2002, you chose that over Mahoromatic?

It's shit.

I think their's is my favorite catalog of anime out of any studio or studios I guess. Kyoani is probably 2nd.

Why so much hate to Darling in the FranXX?
Why so much circlejerking to SSSS.Gridman?

I like their OVAs

>Why so much hate to Darling in the FranXX?
It sucks.
>Why so much circlejerking to SSSS.Gridman?
It's good.

Why the fuck would you make an essentials chart without names?

The names are all in the images, though. Also,
>not recognizing everything there
Lurk two years before posting.

fpbp

>The names are all in the images
The one from 2007 doesn't, the one with the robot thing in the background.

why?

>not knowing TTGL

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Gridman is a huge load of shit that makes DitF look like a masterpiece, and I hate both.

It does.

When will Jew Anno will release from khara's basement?

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Best gainax girl coming through

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That's not Noriko

To call this shit-taste is an insult to shit.