Dio vs Diavolo

If Dio gets the jump on him with time stop, it's over.
If Diavolo is constantly using epitaph, he can just skip over any uses of time stop.

>He has one second to kill Dio's stand which is super durable and strong

That's not how it works. If Diavolo cuts before DIO stops time, King Crimson nullifies the entire time stop.
Both THE WORLD and Star Platinum stop time by speeding themselves up very fast (similar to Cyborg 009's ability). That's why the momentum/acceleration-based stands, Made in Heaven and Tusk Act IV, can affect or move in stopped time.
DIO can move however fast he wants in the 10 seconds of cut time, but it's still erased.

Source: Your ass.

Next you're going to say Josuke's time reverse based healing is just him decelerating time really fast.

>Source: Your ass.
The source was my brain, something ledditors like yourself clearly don't have.

How? His stand skips time, stopped time is not time.

Time stop isn't speed based, they just stop time.

>Both THE WORLD and Star Platinum stop time by speeding themselves up very fast (similar to Cyborg 009's ability).
Jotaro and DIO move within timestop, not just the stands.

If he's looking into the future and suddenly fucking explodes, he can skip past that point.

Not if it happens in the stopped time.

Dio. How people are even arguing about this is beyond baffling.

Stopped time takes place within zero seconds. Let's say 3 seconds into prediction Diavolo sees himself instantly die. All he has to do is skip to any amount of time after he would have died and time stop is nullified.

>A person who can eat anything can eat something that doesn't exist.
>A super hero who can be any size can make himself into nothing
>A villain who can skip a duration of time can skip a durationless period of time
Why didn't he just skip GER's loop

There's no point in discussing this with that guy. I recognize his arguments from an earlier thread, he doesn't understand how time works.

DIO would wipe the floor with Diavolo. KC can't see frozen time, so if DIO were to freeze time, donut Diavolo, then go back to where he was and unfreeze time not only would Diavolo not be able to see it he wouldn't be able to react. I don't understand how anyone thinks Diavolo would have a chance

Diavolo wouldn't see DIO moving, but he would see himself suddenly getting donutted. I'm not saying he would actually win the fight, but you're wrong in how you think his ability works.

>A person who can eat anything can eat something that doesn't exist.
Yeah.

>A super hero who can be any size can make himself into nothing
Yeah.

>A villain who can skip a duration of time can skip a durationless period of time
It' not durationless though, no matter how long Dio stops time for, the duration is 0 seconds. Dio could stop time for a million years and spend all of it kicking diavolo's ass and it wouldn't matter.

I'm going to stop now.

He can't even repair the space erased by ZA HANDO so no.

Also GER is a direct counter to KC that literally undoes his ability, not an apt comparison.

Universal time doesn't progress during a time stop, and KC "erases" 10 seconds of universal time, not a given character's time, so the whole time stop would be erased without taking any time of KC's erasure.

>It's not durationless, it just has no duration
Please think before you argue

its pretty simple really.
king crimson can only attack outside of timeskip, so that means that dio can just timestop after a timeskip and kill diavolo.
that is implying that king crimson cant acrivate timeskip on top of timestop

King Crimson has 10 seconds and an unspecified but existing cooldown.
Literally all DIO has to do is stomp Diavolo's head in THEN stop time. Diavolo will skip the head smash but then place himself right in the middle of stopped time then get his head smashed again but this time he can't do anything about it. Easy win for DIO.

>Sees himself die
>Skips time to a point where he's dead anyway
oh fuck

DIO wins mainly because he's a vampire.

King Crimson's ability is a hard counter to The World's, but King Crimson is a weaker stand and Diavolo is a human (and not even a Jonathan sized one).

If we assume that neither have gotten the jump on the other so that they are both aware of each other and are in the midst of combat. Diavolo using epitaph would see everything that DIO is about to do. Diavolo sees 4 dimensional time, from a 5 dimensional perspective. He sees all the events play out that would happen over the 10 seconds that will be erased. Because everything DIO does in stopped time happens within 0 seconds, it'd look like a horrifying cluster fuck.

But everything DIO does within stopped time still technically takes place within the 10 seconds that are erased. So even if DIO were to donut Diavolo in stopped time, it would simply be skipped and Diavolo can change his fate. From DIO's perspective it's as if he never even stopped time and was unable to do what he intended to do.

This doesn't matter though. Because Diavolo still has to actually kill DIO. KC being not nearly as strong or as fast as Star Platnium would not be able to compete with the world. As soon as Diavolo goes in for the kill thinking it's safe, DIO could stop time and kill him with his superior reaction time. Diavolo would not skip time during this because he can't harm DIO in skipped time. Even without timestop The World could easily defend against king crimson and quickly counter attack. Or DIO could simply let himself get donut'd by king crimson in order to draw in Diavolo and bust his head open before Diavolo even has time to know what the fuck just happened.

DIO wins despite King Crimsons Superior ability because The World is a better Punch Ghost and DIO has vampire gains.

I'll admit, that is poorly worded. What I mean is that time stop does not eat up linear time, so it can be completely nullified by KC's skip.

Diavolo's best chance is to use the Joestar secret technique and skedaddle outta there.

well explained

The only thing wrong with this is the assumption that DIO will launch an attack with The World. As alluded to, he can trick Diavolo into skipping time before The World activates, then there's nothing he can do. It's basically another Cat & Mouse game like Jotaro vs DIO, except this time DIO isn't against a Jostar so he's not scared shitless and won't get scared out of approaching from a magnet because of PTSD from Jonathan.

You're a fucking retard, do you think you can explain stand powers by drawing inductions from a modern scientific paradigm/framework? Furthermore, why do you think the explanation you came up with would even be true? Double digit IQ faggot

Except Made in Heaven doesn't move in stopped time, are you fucking retarded?

It really depends on who knows what. If they both know how both stands work and both not knowing would yield different results. Although actually Diavolo might know anyway since Epitaph, depending on whether he can figure out stopped time from his visions.

There's also the issue of knowing each other's identity. KC is strong because people don't know Diavolo's identity. DIO might find out Diavolo or Doppio if he uses hermit purple either way.

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>Hermit Purple
Oh shit another ignored piece of info

Also The World is canonically FTL

Best post. Well done.

You do know what stopped time isn't a duration, right? Jotaro and DIO described it as 'it felt like x seconds' at least once.

Uhh, didn't he get outwit by a zipper man? DIO is clearly better, Diavolo doesn't even have a proper attack other than punches

>DIO wins mainly because he's a vampire.
That can also work against him since sunlight instant kills DIO so he can only fight at night time. (Weird how I’m the first user to mention this). Besides that Diavolo’s main chance of winning is for him to punch DIO’s head right after skipping time and with KC being as strong and as fast as World it’s possible.

Also heard people use 9 seconds for DIO’s World. Again that would have to mean that DIO has drank Joesph’s blood. Joesph isn’t around so it would be 5 seconds.

I always thought Diavolo was superior to DIO since it took a literal deus ex machina BS stand (GER) to beat him.

Combine Diavolo's cooldown with DIO's physical endurance and there is a chance.
KC isn't as fast or as strong as you think. The World and Star platinum are the fastest and strongest, hands down.

Time-Stop isn't speed-based
Made In Heaven can make time-stop shortened because it affects even time effects. And Tusk Act 4 has the power of infinite so there are some powers that don't affect him like D4C Love Train's Dimensional Walls (in theory they are unbreakable but he breaks them) or Time-Stop

DIO is a fucking brainlet who has one of the most powerful stands yet kept taking hit after hit and then got defeated in a single blow.

Diavolo was so powerful that Araki had to write one of the most powerful characters in fiction into the story to defeat him. He barely even took a hit.

Pucci could move his eyes in stopped time

that was an asspull

>KC isn't as fast or as strong as you think.
Stats say otherwise. KC is just as strong and as fast as World but KC’s range and durability is garbage. So overall World is still superior.

Lets be honest if dio had a few more months to recover he would have been the strongest villian ever. He would get this sick vampire powers back. INFINITE TIME STOP. Unkillible, second only to Kars

Lets be honest if DIO had a few more months to recover he would have been the strongest jojo villian. He would get his sick vampire powers back. INFINITE TIME STOP. He would be unkillable, second only to Kars

Those stats are garbage. Emperor has an E in precision.

King Crimson is not as fast or as strong as the world. Star Platnium is the strongest stand physically and The World is it's only equal. All other stands, even with A rank in speed and power, are inferior in raw strength. There just isn't a rank higher than A but not all A ranks are completely equal. Plus King Crimson's defensive power is E compared to The World's C. The World is not only stronger but far sturdier.

You are correct, Diavolo's best chance is to obliterate DIO's head right after skipped time. A simply punch wouldn't do as shone by Star Platinum caving in DIO's head and DIO still living. DIO's brain would need to be completely destroyed.

It's doubtful though that Diavolo would be able to effectively do that. If Diavolo does not know that DIO is a vampire, then he will most likely go with the good old donut which would immediately leave him open for a counter attack that would kill him (if he even get's the chance).

But even if Diavolo is fully aware DIO is a vampire and goes for the head, DIO is a vampire and has far superior reaction time, and The World which has stronger Defensive capabilities and greater precision. DIO would be able to react to a direct blow to the head from King Crimson before he dies or his head is completely destroyed. This was shown when polnareff got the jump on DIO and almost killed him but DIO was able to stop time before his brain was destroyed due to time stop. And Silver Chariot is faster than King Crimson. And this also assuming that Diavolo would try and kill DIO from behind. If Diavolo were to approach DIO from the front the world would be able to fend of king crimson easily, without even having to resort to time stop.

Unless Araki says otherwise, the logical conclusion is that KC counters Za Warudo, but as others have stated, there are ways to go around it. Dio would definitely win in the end, he is canonically the strongest villain in the series, excluding Kars I guess.

>King Crimson hits harder than The World but can't take any hits with its shit awful durability and stamina.
Is this really true?
The World is on par with Star Platinum in every way. Just because The World got fucked by SP doesn't make it weak. It means SP is just that strong and by extension The World is that strong too
And have we ever seem King Crimson do anything like shattering teeth as hard as diamonds?

Ugly vs stupid

>skipping stopped time
dio gets an adiotional 5 seconds, hes ahead of diavolo no matter what