Monogatari

I'd say Mousou Express, but Mathemagics is also very nice, Marina Inoue has a beautiful voice.
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I would actually buy that she was lying there if that was the only time, but earlier in Bake she says the same thing after an apparent attempt to lie and say she does have experience - and ample experience at that. That first time is believable because a virgin would lie to make themselves sound experienced, whereas a non-virgin would have no need to do so. In the first place it's unlikely she had sex with anyone other than Kaiki before then, which would make the first statement a lie regardless, and I doubt she would bother lying twice in quick succession about that - especially not in such drastically different ways.

What said.

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Are you retarded or just pretending?

>Did she lose her virginity to kaiki
yes and she has good taste, kaiki best boy

desu best song is actually Dark Cherry Mystery.
youtube.com/watch?v=HAPSDPZZIpw
She has a great seiyuu, too, but while Ougi is decent I don't count her as a top 3 girl.

Monkey best

Probably, the only thing that makes no sence is why did Kaiki actually fell for her, it obviously it wasn't just a cheap fuck for him as seen in Hana that he actually has feeligs for her and was the reason the cult her mother was in failed.

Kaiki in the mirror scene made it pretty clear he's interested only in getting close to Suruga. Apparently he cared very deeply for Tooe Gaen and his promise to her.
Of course this alone does not fully awarrant his efforts and exposing hisself to the wrath of a kamisnek-sama.
I think a factor is that Kaiki has a sense of responsibility, however muted, so he's not totally apathetic towards Hitagi and Nadeko; he's moved a few times when confronted with both of them, and just like Ononoki mentions in their train station scenes: he sometimes works simply to satisfy his conscience; something which often results in failure.

>tries to use her body a payment to kaiki for the "sake" of araragi, but she should've know by now that's not something he would ever be fine with
>he rejects her but she continues to pursue it anyway
>goes on off about what color her panties are
>tells kaiki she's going to miss him when he's leaving
>tells araragi she hates kaiki when her actions show otherwise(also lies about meeting him)

Yes I would say she most likely was in an intimate relationship with Kaiki in the past. Her whole ruse about wanting to help araragi was just he attempt to us it as an excuse to get with kaiki again.

>she admitted she would ghost his ass if some guy she found attractive came along.
No, she said she'd leave him if someone better came along, that was not just about superficial traits. And Araragi asked her that question, she simply replied honestly and also reassured him that Shinobu did right to choose Araragi over her old companion.
What she meant was, she's not going to stay with him just because they're already together, she has already experienced with her own family that that isn't the right way, but she stays with him because he is the best one and as long as she does, there is no such better man.

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wasn't she almost raped by some cult retard at young age so she had kind of an issue with benis into vagina for a while
she got her cherry popped gently midway through the series by araragi

Overall it's a little like Hitagi towards Kaiki is like Nadeko towards Araragi, which makes the whole snek story all the more twisted, especially considering fake-Araragi plays a big role in triggering it.

But that' different.
That's about finding someone herself.
While the other user asks what happens if Araragi dumps her ass.
Answer: she'd probably go on a rampage.

Terminal Terminal

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Araragi is a quasi vampire who's obviously not going to live a human lifespan. Is that ever going to be addressed? Araragi is going to be young and immortal while hitagi grows old and will die someday.

I still belive Kaiki has romantic feelings towards Hitagi, if it was purely about snce of responsibility then why would he poke and open the wound when he firts meets Araragi in nise. If it was something he wanted to complete over a sence of responsibility for himself then why would he so openly talk about with Hitagi and Araragi and give him the small hint that he has romantic past with her.

>she got her cherry popped midway through the series by araragi
Unlikely considering they only started using their first names in owari season 2 from what I recall.

Does it matter?

based and snailpilled

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>That first time is believable because a virgin would lie to make themselves sound experienced, whereas a non-virgin would have no need to do so.
Being a virgin with no experience is only a negative if you're male. You autists always make this same mistake of thinking men and women are somehow interchangeable equal opposites where everything works the same for each.

are you retarded or just pretending? she literally had a trauma because she was almost raped by a cult

Shinobu talked about it.

Basically Shinobu is going to wait around until Hitagi gets old and then take Araragi for herself.

It has been addressed in a dubious fashion.
after all he dies and is resurrected as a human, but how is his bond with Shinobu reestablished? How does Shinobu not starve without repeating the whole vampire ordeal again?

It's like you've never interacted with a girl in your entire life

Sounds like you're a faggot shipper

So Araragi is going to be with hitagi looking like some high school kid while she's looks like a granny

Gaen reestablished it so he's not a human again

No. She also wouldn't lie here considering Araragi was about to pop the cherry that very night (walk her home gently) and therefore could verify it.

For what it's worth, everybody seems to agree that Hachikuji is good, so maybe you're right.

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It literally makes no sence as to why he would adress his past with Hitagi when he first meets with them in Nise. Even if some part of what he did was because of a sence of responsibility it makes no sence for his character as to why he would just say it. He obviously wants to keep the image he has made for himself, so people don't get in the way of his money making. The only reason he has to reveale to Araragi his past with Hitagi is to hurt him or at least set the seed of doubt in him. It feels like an emotional outburst him since Kaiki didn't seem to assume Hitagi would be able to recover so fast.

And yet she lied nonetheless. More likely it was to taunt Araragi, rather than impress, but she did lie. I wasn't as clear as I could have been, but the point is that a scenario where the first statement and the second statement are lies is highly unlikely, as is a scenario where she tells the truth at first only to then lie. It is far more likely that she lied to taunt Araragi before changing her answer when he called out that doing so gave her no advantage.

I'm aware, but I kind of doubted OP would take that as proof. Instead I decided to use the trustworthiness of statements made at other times. I was also focusing on that the scene in Nise is one that I could believe was a lie on its own - it's just that other elements, such as her trauma and the Bake scene, suggest the statement to be true.

I agree. The fact she's not dependent on him anymore or the fact he wasn't the one to save her bothered him. Only reason why he would act like that to spite araragi.

All told Kaiki probably banged half the cast.
Hitagi, Nadeko, Hanekawa, Ononoki, Numachi, Surugas mom
maybe some of the specialists, too.

I mean, you can tear the hymen in a lot of ways other than sex. Still, the fact remains that that's where things went after that, so she probably wasn't in a lying mood.

based and contraceptive pilled

It makes sense if you're a bitter faggot mad at life which is what Kaiki is. It's like you faggots don't understand how much of a beta faggot Kaiki actually is.

Kaka. Gaen Tooe is laughing at him from Heaven. Just wait for Suruga Bonehead to be adapted and you will see.
Kaiki is an old pathetic cuck. Cucked by Suruga's chad father and Araragi.

This. His character is basically Snape

This dosen't dispute my point though, i agree that he's mad and he's mad because he sees Araragi as someone who stole Hitagi from him or the very least ruined any chance he had with her.

How pissed are you guys going to be when he eventually ends up with hitagi? Araragi's immortality hinders any permanent relationship with a human. It's plainly obvious where this is headed. Brace for the final and definite breakup

top kek are you being serious?

His whole gimmick is scamming children. Him acting like a petty faggot is in character

Why Hitagi was playful with Kaiki in Koi? Because she is a big girl and she knew what he wants. He wants her. She did everything to make him accept and finish the job.

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is this bait?

They are getting married. She is madly in love with Araragi, he is her unhealthy addiction.

That would be retarded as fuck and would defeat the entire purpose of his character arc which is moving on.

You grossly underestimate Kaiki.
Or maybe you're just thinking what he wants you to think.
Yet he accepted mostly on a whim and in face of a threat to kill him; and he knows she's psycho enough.
Also, Hitagi was utterly, totally desperate in the face of death.

It's going to be a kirino kyouske type of wedding

Post webms of zoku snail. I need them. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Holy fucking shit, what more can Kaiki do to show you that he obviously has feeling for Hitagi. He sticks around after scamming her the first time, not only that but breaks the cult that her mother was in for 0 profit, in fact he probably lost money. The fact that he agreed to help Hitagi with Nadeko eventhough the money was barely enough. He obviously isn't just "le money is the most imporant thing stoic man of no emotion' that he builds himself as.

you literally just worked yourself into a shoot.

Mayoi nee-sans final form?
I'd prefer getting some subtitles.

Surprisingly enough Kaiki actually is reliable and truthful in a way, but he always only tells half the truth.
I believe him when he said he destroyed the cult because they were competition.
Eliminating competition also increases your profits, even if the act itself does not.

I think Musubi cover is a hint that it's already happened off screen. Probably we will never see anything post Musubi, it was the real end. Now Nisio just writes about Araragi's detective adventures.

>tfw lolis are the only ones who are immortal.
Ararararagi will end up with all 3 lolis.

there's a whole world of difference between having feelings for someone and actually believing deluded shit like this>or the very least ruined any chance he had with her.
that's just plain retarded

Who's the third?
Hachikuji, Shinobu and..?
I wouldn't classify Ougi or Nadeko as lolis either way.
Don't forget Shinobu cock-blocks Nadeko anyway, and would probably do the same with Hachikuji.

Well it was obvious Kaiki was pretty pissed about how things turned out and the fact that Hitagi ha already found her prince charming. Maybe for him it was enough to simply know that she was in his grasp even if he never had any real intentions to act out on them.

Tbh you'd have to be retarded to think he would writer her in a way where Araragi isn't her first. But you guys go on, keep debating

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Tsukihi

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Yotsugi Ononoki.
Nadeko is a whore.
Hachikuji is pure and Shinobu has known her for a while now, they even went to the past to save her once.
The logic of human relationships does no longer apply when you are talking about immortals in the face of eternity. So I guess it's ok

Ononoki.

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Yeah, it's just Nisio's little things. Shinobu has someone in her past, Hitagi has someone in her past. But they both chose Araragi etc.
It's like Ii-chan and Tomo. He is her first and she loves him even though it was a rape.

Gaen re-established it after Kurayami fucked with it. It looks like they re-made it the normal way after Araragi was revived.

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Oy nigga, me dumb. Obviously it had to be Ononoki.
Given the choice I'd pick 10 year old Kizu Kiss-Shot, though.
Feeding her arms and legs was a mistake.

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>Nadeko is a whore.
Nuu, she's just really stupid, which is cute in its own way.

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>hornyandlonelyman.jpg

A girl who sleeps with a bunch of dudes and gets addicted to crack and then whored out by some dude she apparently fell in love with. Then gets pregnant while being addicted to meth and after getting raped a few times dies like a dog in the street with people spitting on her, was also just really stupid. LOL.
That's no excuse.
It's like saying, Hitler wasn't a bad guy, he just hated the jews very much.

>long ass story about what could conceivably happen to Nadeko
Sounds like an entertaining arc still, no?

But acting like her actually isn't that uncommon among 13-14 year old girls, relationship wise they don't understand much other than throwing their body at people, but most adults will refuse because jail and most boys that age are too beta to take advantage of it.

If that was the main factor she'd definitely be more popular.

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She wanted Kaiki's D

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Nadeko infuriates me because I want to forgive her - I want to see her evolve in less terrible ways - but her arc is framed around the idea that my reasons for doing so make me part of the problem. Half of her arc is just a call-out for people's enabling bullshit and inability to accept a reality they don't like. The more she pisses you off the better a character she is, which pisses me off.

We've already established Kaiki is the series' alpha male chad.
Scenes always conveniently end just when he has his chance to make a move.
Off screen implications, too, like why did Numachi give him info on Suruga? They definitely had some sort of relationship.

she lost her virginity to cat

I want to support and protect Nadeko during her hard times until she is mature and smart enough to make good conscious decisions resulting in me taking her virginity in a memorable, passionate night, with lots of snuggles and kisses before, during and after.

"Virginity" is a Western idea. She didn't give her pussy to Kaiki. She gave it to Arararagi.
>"THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO DETERMINE WHEN THEY'VE BEEN RAPED, WHEN THEY WILLINGLY FUCKED OUT OF WEDLOCK AND WHEN THEY JUST RODE A BICYCLE."
Keep scratching your heads.

>she lost her virginity to cat

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>"Virginity" is a Western idea.
'Sup retard

Patrician taste, although objectively you won't get around giving her the D for long since she's so naive - not like there's anything wrong with it as long as she doesn't end up getting used.

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roastie or cuck?

>Sounds like an entertaining arc still, no?
That was actually the plot of an infamous hentai doujin it's Henshin by shindol.

corruption totally isn't my fetish

You're a part of the problem, you know? Not that I'm any different.

There's nothing wrong with preserving Nadekos innocence and helpless cuteness.
The fact she herself makes attempts to reduce her appeal and does not generally take advantage of it strategically or on purpose only highlights her purity and naivity.
If anything her cuteness should be encouraged, and there's nothing wrong with her taking advantage of it either as long as she works to also build an identity of her own beyond being cute.

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>did Kaiki fuck a ~14 year old and open himself up to getting blackmailed for a ton of cash

I don't know user. You tell me.

Am I allowed to say Platinum Disco without being called reddit?

By that point she is smart enough to dump your dumb ass.

The fact Tsukihi is a top girl saves your skin, but you're still open to having your tastes in music questioned.

>Nadeko ever becoming smart
I don't know, user.
I can't see her ever advancing beyond "calculating".

ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU

I haven't paid attention to this series in a while, even though it's one of my favorites. Can someone please fill me in on what's up with Zoku Owarimonogatari? I know there was a movie and that the TV series was supposed to air in May or something? But what's this about the blurays?

The first Zoku BD with 3 episodes is out, next one with the other 3 will come at the end of the month, I think.
No subs yet from what I have seen.
The anime version will be released later this year.
There's no real rush since it's not a conventional continuation of the series.

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where are the goddamned subs for episodes 2 and 3 dammit

>only first episode subbed
>its by a rando who used the novel fan translation
fuck

Hanekawa rejected the invitation to stay in the same room for a month as the boy who at the time, made her panties as wet as Niagara Falls. Kaiki ain't getting no kitty.

It's real in my head.

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Crab's rotten cunt belongs only to Kaiki's BIG COCK

You need to stop this Kaiki.
The accident was years ago.
You need to let her go.

why?

WAIT WHAT NIGGA

What?
The "person" in Shinobu's past is so far removed from everything and has nothing about Shinobu "choosing" Araragi over him.
Hitagi and Kaiki is only slightly less retarded in this regard.

The one that has the best girl Kaiki

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Kaiki never pulls out.
Resistance only makes his penis harder.
Pay 3 million Yen?
He still fucks the snek.

Did you even watch Shinobu Mail. She literally allowed her ex to kill Araragi. She didn't do anything to protect him. She was just waiting for the winner.

That was just Araragi once again attempting suicide.
plus he won by cheating

She really wasn't.

@185431896

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I like to think that Crab and Kaiki had really passionate hate sex at some point in Koimonogatari.

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She was. It's a fucking fact. You can't argue with it if you watched the same show. She didn't do ANYTHING. She even gave them Kokorowatari to make the duel deadly.

You could argue it goes both ways, though, like, maybe she wanted the First to die?
That wouldn't have happened without the sword, plus she ate his corpse afterwards.
Also, this is a Kaiki threat. Shut the fuck up unless you're talking about Kaiki banging Shinobu, which would be new and a constructive addition to the discussion.

Just read the latest English-translated novel (Koimonogatari); the conversations between Crab and Kaiki make it clear they did not have a sexual relationship back in the day; but that Araragi is possibly still under the mistaken impression that they did.

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>Kokorowatari
>deadly
>to a human

what nonsense are you rambling about?
She rigged that shit against her first servant.

The anime makes it clear too. Kaiki literally confirmed that everything he said in Nise about her loving him is bullshit made with malice.

Araragi wasn't a human in Shinobu Mail. Because Shinobu didn't gain her full form.

He's certainly not an oddity.
And he specifically went in with no vampire powers.

Shinobu wanted them to kill each other so she could get with Kaiki.

Oh, so that's what happened.

Gosh, I've been looking all over the place and wasn't able to find the subs. I thought that if nothing else, surely, horriblesubs will have a rip of it.

Talking about that, what do you know? Horriblesubs have standards.

This. Araragi got cut by Kokorowatari and got off with no injuries while Araragi dealt a decisive blow with the talisman. Shinobu was leaning on him to make her rejection of Seishirou easier.

I've watched all three without subs and while you obviously don't understand what they say it's still pretty easy to figure out if you pay close attention.
That said, I hope we get subs soon.

He was. Gaen needed to kill him to reduce his fucking vampirism. In Shinobu Mail he was just extremely weak because they link was broken. But Shinobu didn't turn into big Kissshot so he wasn't a full human.

I don't think Araragi actually got hit in that fight.
But I'm pretty sure he would have been fine.
Shinobu definitely put her sword there so he would do her dirty work for her.

Do you think she called him "Daddy" at some point during the sex session?

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I'm not sure "needed to" is quite accurate. It just happened to be her plan, but it's not certain that would have worked out in the end given the fact Shinobu got pretty mad.
and only Araragis bringing along of Hachikuji saved the day.
Definitely some of my favorite episodes.

she probably calls everyone daddy considering she's a dadcon

Considering she admitted to her electra complex
Yes.

>thinking she actually has an electra complex and not just trying to get into Hanekawa's futon
The first mistake you made was trusting anything anyone said in this series.

She refused to meet the first even as he called out to her while he was dying. He had no chance.

She was leaning heavily on Araragi, but ultimately did what she had to do and said goodbye to Seishirou. Even if she did it at the absolute last second. And Araragi kinda gave a speech about how he actively wants to be there for her like that, I think just before she tossed Kokorowatari in.

She meets with Kaiki and decides to have sex to Araragi right after.
Now, she would have you believe it's because of how Araragi acted, but really it was meeting Kaiki that turned her on. She was probably thinking about him the whole time.

>reject pure loving hanekawa for used goods shinobu and hitagi

Araragi is a cuck

Yeah she came through in the end but it really was only in the end.
She took all that time to get enough courage to do what she should have done from the start.

I honestly think monogatari becomes mostly boring without the dialogues lol. That's why I'm a Gaharafag. She says weird shit all the time, and it's fun.

So, yeah, let's hope.

She planned to have sex with Araragi before the meeting with Kaiki. She even warned him.

Food for thought:
Kanbarus last name was once Gaen, from her mother.
Her fathers lastname is Kanbaru.
They eloped during her elementary school years since her parents disapproved.
Both died.
Suruga got the monkeys paw and Keiki got the head.
Tooe asked Keiki to take care of Suruga.

tl;dr Kaiki is Surugas dad.

>Crab is initially stone faced at the start of the sex session
>Eventually her resolve starts to dissolve, and she gives in to the pleasure
>By the time they're about to climax, Crab is wailing and calling Kaiki her daddy
>The second they clean up and get dressed, everything is back to normal

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Nah mate, Kaiki knocked her up and she wanted to cuck Aragi by being able to claim it's his child.

>pure "fucked by her foster father and whored out to all his friends" hanekawa

Okay I was with you until the last part.

What the fuck is this thread? Someone's wet fantasies? Just fap you fucking cuck.

Literally all the characters are here because of the dialogues you delusional crabfag

Given how little time she had to think things over and how hard it is to tell someone you care about to get out of your life, it's understandable.

It's a possibility at least.
>why would Tooes parents disapprove if she already had a child with Mr Kanbaru
>why give Kaiki the equivalent of what she gives her daughter
>why ask Kaiki to look after Suruga, especially assuming she didn't know she would die

Tooe is literally on Heaven with her husband.

She gave Kaiki that shit because she knew Kaiki is a faithful dog to her and will carry out her wishes after her death.

If you think Izuko knows everything then Tooe will blow your fucking mind.

Overall she makes it pretty clear the First is dead to her and she doesn't care, doesn't even want to meet or talk to him.
Only Surugas bitching convinces her to even say goodbye to him before eating his corpse.
Araragi agreeing to duel him is just Araragi being irresponsible as usual.

I'm not shitting on bat, too much, I'm just saying the end of Owari was arargi having to deal with her baggage.

Calm down batfag.
Shinobu was clearly in the wrong and best monkey set her straight.
I agree that Araragi could have not butted in like he always does and let her resolve it without a useless duel though.

But the central question remains: who is Surugas father?
It doesn't seem to be Mr Kanbaru at minimum.

Why not?

So you're saying all the girls are equally shit? Understood.

Except she does care. He was one of the few people she had any sort of positive relationship with after becoming a vampire and she probably spent four centuries regretting how it turned out and hating herself for it every single day. You can tell from how hard she projected him onto Araragi and had all sorts of contingency plans prepared in Kizu. She had a decent argument to not even see him- and would have looked a lot better if she just stuck to her guns there- but Kanbaru convinced her to do the most correct thing and actively choose Araragi and say goodbye while she had the chance.

Mostly the previously mentioned points of:
>why would Tooes parents disapprove if she already had a child with Mr Kanbaru
>Surugas last name was once Gaen, from her mother
I also assume there's a more general reason Suruga ended up with her "fathers" grandparents instead of with the Gaen family.

I can't deny she cared to some degree deep down, just tried to leave that chapter of her history, which she assumed was over, in her past, in part to not make Araragi feel insecure.
What I meant is she didn't care to take him back.

>t ararakek.

Okay so lets get this straight.
Suruga is Tooe's illegitimate child.
And her husband parents hate both Tooe and Suruga.
And then when Suruga's parents die in an accident they take her in?
Why would they do that if she was illegitimate and they hated her?

You seem to be confused. It was the Kanbaru family that disapproved of their relationship, not the Gaen family which is not mentioned.
Suruga has the Gaen name until she was adopted by her grandparents and I guess they forced her to switch to Kanbaru.

Your phrasing was very misleading.

Kaiki can only dream about her.

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>Kaiki will never get to treat Crab to a meal at a Yakiniku restaurant

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Is there a meme version with Araragi?

Not yet, I'm making one.

i hope they bring the manga over to the states the art is so fucking good

You're implying it's not both. Dude, she isn't joking about her dad, she wants Hane's booty as well as the fact her dad makes her melt like butter. They cut out the part in the anime where he pats her head and tells her how proud he is of her.

zoku subs when ffs?

when you cancel your crunchy and netflix subscriptions and convince everybody you know to do so as well, user

Didn't she say Izuko pretends to know everything by having a good network, but that Hanekawa was the real deal when she and Araragi talk?

> Izuko pretends to know everything by having a good network
I thought it's her curse for creating Ononoki's head.

I think Hitagi says that about studying.
Hanekawa is smart and also spends a lot of time studying and reading; don't think she has any legit superpower aside from nyahahahaha~

I'm not subscribed to either tho

FACT: Nadeko did nothing wrong and deserves Araragi more than Crab ever has

She has plot knowledge and armor. Those are the strongest powers.

What does sex feel like? I'm 28 by the way

I'm 28 and have had two girlfriends
it feels great

I wouldn't know, I'm 30 years old virgin with zero romantic experience
I imagine the first time feels like heaven, like when Hitagi and Araragi did it

i am 100% sure that sex with a 30 year old virgin with no romantic experience would not feel like heaven
sorry user, just bee yourself i guess

We're on Yea Forums you stupid newfag, what do you expect

FACT: Nadeko is easily the worst girl (yes, somehow worse than crab) and the best girl is alt. universe Hachikuji (as seen in part 4 of kabukimonogatari/ ep 9 of Monogatari second season)

How can you be so sure?
Not that user but I am 100% sure that it'll be good, both mentally and physically. You release a lot of hormones as well because you did the deed, compared to masturbation mentally, it would be a source of pride on your part and feeling like you belong to the standards of society.

Never tried sex (I'm 29) but if you look at it logically, it is 100% always feels good.

Cause unlike you, and that user, I've had it.
And believe me sex isn't gonna turn your upside-down life magically right side-up, you're still gonna be a fuck-up and a weirdo even after you pay a hooker 300 bucks for an hour.

Then you're just contradicting scientific facts that prove you are flat out wrong.
During sex the body releases hormones that give pleasure and help your body physiologically.
And mentally, it makes you feel like a person, in a society that puts sex on a pedestal.

Basically, I imagine Kaiki and Hitagi had good sex and they both felt good, but obviously the relationship still matters and she ended up with Araragi her savior instead.

>By the end of June, in the year of our lord 2019, Shaft will have produced 100 fucking episodes of Monogatari
They really milked this series into ground. Holy shit.

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Well, at least I no longer have to wonder why nobody would fuck you for 29 years.

100 episodes and 3 movies is pretty normal for a long-running series. Touch had 101 episodes and 3 movies.

Throughout what, 10 years?

And "to the ground" would imply it's no longer good while the quality is higher than its ever been.

Like masturbation but with an ego boost because you know somebody wanted to have sex with you.

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>when your series has more episodes than frames of animation

it was never good

this
Yea Forums autists won't accept the fact that hitagi didn't fuck kaiki because they are too bust getting upset over ntr bs because they are insecure.

Good job, user

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Marshmellow justice!

She doesn't deserve Kaiki.

Unironically this.
Kaiki x Senjougahara duet is really beautiful.

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>Best Monogatari OP is a a duet featuring Senjougahara and Kaiki
They really were made for each other.

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>complain when a LN only gets 1 cour adapted with a "buy the LNs ending"
>complain when an LN series actually gets a loving adaptation through its run

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They weren't. She hates him, he lusts after her. That's all.

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I don't see them as romantic partners. They complete each other intellectually. They both challenge each other and bring out in each other what they try to hide.
>Kaiki pretends to be apathetic but throws his drink in Senjougahara's face when she says she'll whore herself out
>Senjougahara pretends to be emotionally dead but laughs, smiles, and cries in response to Kaiki's appearance, words, and actions
OTP can be argued sure, but Kaiki is an infinitely better foil for Senjougahara than Araragi.

>Did she lose her virginity to kaiki?
Yes.

Most people on Yea Forums are misogynist incels who will deny it though.

can't say but sugar sweet nightmare is the worst

Medusa op is very easily the best op for Monogatari

Kaiki isn't a pedophile you illiterate degenerates

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Platinum Disco

the chorus is good but if you're sarcastic then please

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>Kaiki thread
>Implying THIS isn't the greatest OP
Fucking kino
youtube.com/watch?v=nvIEztK_gwQ

Kogarashi Sentiment
MOU ICHIDO MOU NIDOTO

And there's people still in denial about Hitagi x Kaiki

Anything she does get isn't pulled out of nowhere though. She does study and analyze any piece of info or experience she has and grows to a certain point from it. That's the entirety of why she was able to become one with an oddity in the first place, and unlike Tooe who had an exorcist bloodline or anyone else in the show, she doesn't get it exorcised or taken away, it became one with her, they even talk about that in the commentaries. Then they went further in Tsubasa Sleeping b th remembering that she did absorb a lot of vampire blood before and she, who already has experience becoming one with oddities, went super saiyan when given a catalyst. So it was all based on past experiences, not something pulled out of Nisio's ass.

>Off screen implications, too, like why did Numachi give him info on Suruga? They definitely had some sort of relationship.
The side story explained it. Numachi was fixing all the problems Kaiki was causing, and he confronted her to tell her to stop. She refused. They are both technically con artists, but they also technically skilled at what they do. And they ended up in a draw.

Numachi ended up offering to help Kaiki. Kaiki made up a story that suspiciously sounding like he is worried about Hitagi hating him forever and would kill him one day. Numachi told him that Hitagi likely already found a nice boy, almost forgot about you, and is having a nice life and stop worrying about it.

In "retribution" for being so accurate, Kaiki repaid in kind by sending her towards Kanbaru. Saying Kanbaru is a job of his that was left undone, but that Numachi can solve it in his stead.

so crab canonically fucked kaiki or what?

No. Kaiki has a soft spot for her but not in that sense. There that scene when they meet to talk about the Nadeko situation and when she says she'd even put her body on the line to the get him the money, he spills a drink right in her face with no hesitation. He's a nice guy.

You can't really call what happened in Kizu projection, when it was a practical repeat of history. She definitely associated the guilt between situations, but it wasn't unreasonable for her to do so. She was faced with a very real repetition of the past.

>no rebuttal
Why can't normalfags think logically rather than how the 'feel'?

07734

>Just wait for Suruga Bonehead to be adapted and you will see.
reeeeee why cant I just learn Japanese in a year?
really though how advanced is the japanese in Monogatari? seems pretty tricky. like how deep into intermediate land can I even attemp, with heavy dictionary support? or is it straight up advanced?

Somebody is mad that monogatari managed to run longer than even shonenshit.

It sounds like 80s Schlager music.
I fucking hate Schlager.

Not that advanced.
The core story is mostly over.
The stuff that's missing is either irrelevant side stories and after stories and a real conclusion - which might or might not happen.

does it use a lot of non joyou kanji?
either way it's gonna be a while since I can even try, I'm nearing the end of genki2, even with some core6k on the side I'm still toddler mode for the next year

Wakanim France will stream the first 3 Zoku Owarimonogatari Episodes tomorrow.

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Chocolate Insomnia

The light novel is easier to translate than the anime in any case. A fan translation of zoku might have been made already.

Imagine eating Hanekawa's fat butt.

Imagine Black Hanekawa eating her own fat butt.

Perfect Slumbers, actually. It's really flown under the radar because it's never been on youtube.

sub or dub?

youtube.com/watch?v=QkipWXIcb-o

What would sex with a God feel like ?

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sub

youtube.com/watch?v=sEj_HvjLRPg

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Yuudachi Houteishiki. I can't wait for the next math OP.

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Does Monogatari have a french dub?
I know there's a german one, but it's terrible.

Apparently Bake has one but that's it

Mindbreak tier, I'm sure, although Kaiki is enough of a chad to be able to handle it; he's not ashamed to jizz inside well before she came.
If she wants satisfaction too she can work for it.

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Kami-saman seems to really want to try out sex but i bet once she takes a big one half way thought she is going to realise just how much she is over her head.

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How delusional are the niggers in this thread? There is absolutely zero hints that Hitagi ever even as much as kissed Kaikis cheek and yet there's a bunch of faggots claiming she fucked him. What the hell.
Where is your prove? Even your le epic banter with Kaiki was not flirtatious at all.

I think it's just seething vampirefags I guess.

>taking bait seriously

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It's not like she's very capable of saying no.
Turning into a god did quite a number on her already sparse brain cells, especially with how lonely she ended up being.
And you know what they say
Curiosity killed the snek.
Araragi really fucked up picking Senjougahara.

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Takes a big shit?

Is there evidence she kissed Araragis cheek?
Anything half-way intimate happens off-screen, just like Kaiki banging half the cast.

Who the hell in their right mind would pick snake over anyone?
She's more damaged goods than anyone else in the series and that's saying a lot.

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Calm your autism. Banter isn't meant to be taken seriously.

There's evidence they did much more than that.
No, he did not walk her home gently that night.
But there isn't even the slightest hint at Kaiki even having an interest for any of the girls.

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I can just imagine her cute face turning to worry as she realises that her tiny, petite pussy is going to be having trouble taking the whole thing in but still going since she's afraid to push away one of her few followers, i wonder how far curiosity and fear of loneliness can take her.

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Isn't "picked" kinda relative?
He didn't have a choice, especially with how much of a virgin cuck he is.
Plus Hitagi gonna kill him if he gets with anybody else.

Why are tomboys so delicious, Yea Forums?

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actual OTP is KoyomiXKarenXTsukihi

You're biased. That's literally the only scene she's being explicit, and I remember there being a kissing scene, too.
That's it.
Kaiki has as many scenes with innuendo with Hitagi, and also has such scenes with other girls.
>being alone with Hanakawa in her hotel room
>Sengoku literally begging him to entertain her while half-naked
>also implications

sweaty armpits.

I'm pretty sure Kaiki banged everyone except for Araragi (Koyomi, to be exact. He definitely banged his sisters, mom and dad)

I want to give a tomboy a piggyback ride.

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It's not like she can just back out then.. a god's job is making her worshippers happy and fulfilling their wishes, she takes that very seriously.
Plus 10000 or 20000 Yen is a lot of money for her with a monthly allowance of 1200 Yen ($11).

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Are you saying Nadeko pleasures old men for money?

I might be able to learn French before decent subs come out

What can Kami-sama even do with money ?

No, she pleases old men for worship

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It's not inconceivable at least, but apparently most are creeped out by her hair.
Definitely an avanue she could make bank in.
>be cute
>sex with your kami-sama body is addictive
>get fucking rich
She'd be a millionaire in no time.

Wormsluts are wormsluts no matter the series I guess

Based
Should've went incest route. His two imoutos are best girls

Objectively sneks are pretty bad, Nadeko is an exception since she's more of a snek rape victim.
Medusa isn't overused either.

user please.
We all know Nadeko was never a victim.

ironically, Renai Circulation
unironically __Renai Circulation___

I really like the chorus in that one
that's a good one too. man I like Yui Horie's voice

Some mysteries aren't meant to be solved.

Nadeko the snek rapist.
I mean, yeah, in a sense she's the rapist, especially if you consider her cuteness rape, which it is, but it's not like she did it on purpose. It's the manslaughter equivalent of rape.

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I want to fuck Kanbaru in the ass. How steamy sex with the bi tomboy.

>She hates him, he lusts after her. That's all.
Are you dumb? She had a thing for him, but he never had a thing for her. Kanbaru's mom was the only person for him.

>objectively worst girl in series
>still like her the most
is there a word for this feel?

Kaerimichi!

Yui Horie is a godess.
Kaori Mizuhashi is an amazingly versatile singer and seiyuu, too, however.
They're both very much veterans.
My favorites are all the Yui Horie tracks and Dark Cherry Mystery.
That said
this OP is very high quality, too, and overall the quality of OPs in Monogatari is nothing short of commendable.

Technically she didn't cheat on Araragi. But Koi is a disgusting ntr bait. Secret meetings, secret calls, intimate themes. IRL it's 100% cheating.

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>is there a word for this feel?
Probably not, it's quite the complex feel.
Nadeko herself is as conflicting as that feel; we can only call it Nadeko and treasure and protect it from the ignorant whom we can never enlighten.

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How isn't the whole anime NTR bait?
Araragi literally never scores with anybody.
The only intimacy he has is molesting his sisters and Hachikuji, and others teasing him, while he remains firmly cucked to Hitagi.

Araragi and Crab are literally a couple, why the fuck would anyone not be biased?

>guy is cucked to his gf
What does that even mean?

> Araragi literally never scores with anybody.
user, he and Hitagi are married.

I'm not going to be talked down to by some last in line faggot

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This she was just walked home gently

I really, really, really like that picture.

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He got bullied into the relationship by damaged goods without getting any action or options, despite the fact he has a literal harem waiting for him, who instead decide to shift their attention onto Kaiki, just like his girlfriend did in the past.

Nobody claims she is one dimensional.
But well developed trash is still trash.

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in my headcanon i take care of all her problems by keeping her in permanent pregnancy

Snakefags are the most unabashed degenerates on this site.

She's the best developed trash.
You don't just throw trash on the floor; you give it to specialists to recycle.

Doubt.

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where do you think that sea of sneks comes from, way ahead of you kid

Nadeko more like Nakedo

What is it, user? 2coot4u? Can't handle the innocent yet slutty kawaii god? Still in denial all the other girls are sluts, too?

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But she hasn't been recycled, so high-quality trash she remains. Call me when she gets the chance to re-purpose herself.

Cat>Crab

Why did you think it was the sluttiness I had an issue with?
The girls are all healthy teenagers. They are supposed to be slutty.

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Nadeko a lewd.

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imagine how much heat her vagina was producing in this scene, that's probably the reason why she needed to take her clothes off.

i fucking hate snakefags

I like how you tried to strawman it into being about snake's horniness when clearly the issue is that she's a lazy, selfish, egotistical psychopath.

I screencapped that one but subs kinda ruined it. Gotta try again.

The perplexing bit is Araragi isn't buying it. It's like he's an eunuch. Maybe vampires have no libido.

That's not really true, user. She's just naive, and the fact she makes an actual effort to dampen her outward cuteness demonstrates she's not selfish. She wants people to see her as something more than just cute, but simply had no real idea how to accomplish this, in large parts due to her insecurity.
Can't argue with the egotistical psychopath however.

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I didn't think this through before, but from the main and secondary cast Nadeko actually is the youngest?
Shinobu is like 500 ultimately, Hachikuji is a sort of 21 year old nee-san, Ononoki isn't really alive (though neither are the other 2 immortal lolis).
It does serve to put her character into context a little bit.

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>The perplexing bit is Araragi isn't buying it.
I think he doesn't want to get it, since he has a gf and Nadeko is a bit young.

I don't know if you are deluding yourself by accident or on purpose.

She has been using her cuteness on purpose to avoid responsibility for anything she did.
She never wanted to do anything about it because it was too much work.
She is a lazy and selfish girl with no empathy.

She grew out her bangs so she could hide behind them instead of actually dealing with her issues and then she takes it out on everyone else.

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I'm pretty sure Karen is younger.
And a stupid as Karen is she still manages to be more mature than Nadeko.

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>spend 2 day bumping a thread til subs for the first zoku episode arise
>watch it gleefully; great but oh so short
>"well, it can't be long til the other 2 episodes are done!"
>mfw its been 4 days since i had that brilliant thought

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Do you have any evidence? You probably don't have. This is even more far-fetched than my Kaiki-banged-everybody theory.
If what you said was true why would she be wearing these unattractive clothes and worry about her bangs hiding her cuteness?
She only snaps like this when her bangs stop to provide any protection, in other words when people get even more convinced of her cuteness.
She hates the fact people see her as nothing but a cute, obedient girl and actively works against that, which your screenshot demonstrates. It's no an illusion she gives on purpose.
It's no secret she has an inferiority complex of some kind however, because she has been convinced she has no special quality beyond being cute and mostly unnoticeable.
The one deluding themselves by accident or on purpose is you and maybe Nadeko.

Karen is a year older. Tsukihi, the younger sister, should be the same age, but she's not human either.
Also a best girl contender however.

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She uses her bangs to pretend she's embarrassed but actually hiding her deadpan stare, not her cuteness.
I think snakefags are just pedophiles that don't even watch the show.
It explains everything.

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Karen is the older of the fire sisters. There's even been scenes of Tsukihi being annoyed about Karen going to high school before her.

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Considering how recently I saw these episodes I knew you'd bring this one up, which essentially is your last straw, but what about it?
She acknowledges the teacher sees she's not too troubled by the whole situation.
Why?
Because she's helpless, not because she's malicious, as is elaborated further during her whole tanrum. She's merely forced to acknowledge the fact she is ordinary, weak, nothing but cute, and the things people ascribe to her are not necessarily accurate. It is defensive.
This is one thing which enables her to actually, for once, say openly what she thinks, like to her class later.
She's rebelling against peoples conception of her.
Also, friendly reminder: Ad hominem is not an argument; it's admission you are losing.
Nadeko is 13-14, which is not exactly paedophile territory.

Dude don't you know Men spend 9 months gestating then roll the dice on whether they and the child die whenever they have a child? Totally the same.

Read the LNs. He slips up once on that he knows about Nadeko liking him, otherwise he goes out of his way to ignore her and cut it out of his narration, even making jokes out of it

Last straw? That was the entire fucking point the whole time. That's literally what we have been talking about the entire time.
All snakefags can do is deflect because deep down they know snake is a shit and so are they.

Snake just doesn't give a fuck. Growing out her bangs was a defense strategy in hiding just how much she doesn't give a fuck so she could pretend to be bashful, i.e. cute.
She was purposely abusing her cuteness to avoid doing anything she thought was too much of a hassle.

Araragi confirmed for triggering Nadekos crazy episode, although this is true in more than one way: Ougi.
Of course she herself acknowledges her love was unhealthy, though this may just be her struggling to drag herself out of it.
There is no real answer to the question whether her persistence with loving Araragi was just a mechanism to make her life easier. Overall it seems unlikely but oresents a convenient way for her to overcome it.
>oh, I was just pining after him because I wanted to ignore my other troubles

One sentence is not exactly conclusive evidence, especially when there is multiple ways to interprete it, which often is the case in this show.
Don't think I'm deflecting anything. I give a fairly well reasoned argument.
I wish she was abusing her cuteness, it would actually be character growth, since she's confused and in denial. The only times she did that is when she tried to seduce Araragi in.. Bake, I think? She never once did so with anybody else, and not with Araragi either after she learned he had a girlfriend; see the scene she sleeps over and Shinobu has to drag unconscious Koyomi out of the room.

Are you the guy who made that "Hitagi is a whore" post on r/araragi?

>admitting to be a redditor
The absolute madman.

Reddigahara isn't just a meme.

They both wanna cuddle with Cat, so technically both are adulterous in their hearts.

>Kaiki fucks the cat with his dick still wet from Hitagi and Nadeko

you sure know your reddit "user"

After years of crabfags directly admitting to being redditors like this, yeah.

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I don't get it

Normalfag circlejerk upvoting results in a Hitagi-best-girl consensus.
It's like post-truth democracy.

youtube.com/watch?v=cRu4Go0Jvsw

>people think Koi is NTR bait when it's actually just a humble story about a man who has thoughts about hitting young girls for being annoying.

Koi is about someone being unable to get over an old flame to the point of it sabotaging their current relationships.

That someone is Kaiki

but why are crabfags normies?

A combination of first girl syndrome and her being one of the few girls in the series that it's not "problematic" to like.

Is she not though?
Cat would be more of a normie magnet than her surely?

She's just really fucking boring for people who don't find her "so relatable."

>he didn't read the novels

I just want to say I find nothing more infruitating than redditfags with their "best girl kaiki" shit
Fucking hivemind

It was a mildly amusing joke here for about a month. Then it got ran into the ground.

You make it sound like "best girl kaiki' hasn't been a standard meme in these threads form the start. Stop blaming all your problems on reddit.

It's pretty shitty meme though, yeah.

they had sex 3 times so far after nise
1, sometime after shiro but before December I dont remember when it was mentioned maybe in shiro or maybe short story, and 3rd after after tsuki for valentines. they were only lovey in bake she had hang ups. they're usually vary sparing and busy so up till zoku its only the 3, but she cooks for him

its very jazzy

So do we have irrefutable evidence that the Crab was fuck someone up to Araragi?

kaiki was trying to cuck himself by cementing her relationship with araragi and disparaging his relationship with her. so he did the whole I was evil I took advantage of you. she called him latter on something he snapped and made a remark that implied he actually did love her. ultimately he succeeded in bring her relationship with araragi to a stable state but it was already there and he failed to completely dissolve his prior relationship with hitagi ultimately he did succeed but he actually accomplished nothing other than convincing araragi to distance himself from the kaiki/hitagi past

Don’t ever talk about my waifu again

Honestly though, are any of the Monogatari girls virgins?

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Kanbaru. She's the perfect example of someone needing to get laid.

No way. She was still traumatized from the dude who tried to rape her.
The romantic tension was there, but that's all.

do you think 20+ mayoi would be? On the one hand, Japan would be entirely taken over by wampire thralls that you can't fuck. On the other hand, she wouldn't have been hit by that car, so you never know what happened before Shinobu's takeover.

>used the novel fan translation
Where did this meme come from? I saw retards in nyaa comments saying this as well. No, it wasn't based on any kind of novel translation.
I TL'd about 85% of ep2 while drunk during the weekend, but I thought it wasn't gonna be good enough so I stopped there, plus people claimed edo subs were coming this week anyway. But if there's no proper release in the next few days I might post some shitsubs again.

Your effort is appreciated.

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Crab is amazing in the manga.

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