Cutie Honey Legacy

>Nipples are fine if they're in the actual anime
Yeah, mostly they are. But I'd rather not risk it.
I'm screencapping right now. Gonna upload them externally and post it here.

>Also any Tarantula?
No actual nudity for Tarantula, but that was to be expected. (The only marginal hopes I had were her transformation sequence in episode 8, but that didn't change.)

But: They did change some other things, and one of them I noticed immediately! They made her swimsuit way more revealing. And her cute breasts a little bit perkier. Pic related, TV on the left, BD on the right.

>I miss her!
I don't. She's always with me!
(But every time I rewatch episode 8, it feels like coming home.)

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Okay, here you go. I'm very sure I missed a few. There are some shots where Honey's nipples are shown when her costume's torn.

>imgur.com/a/preKNnf

Also, if anyone is interested in the creditless versions of the opening and ending, I see no harm in uploading them. (I mean, both are already out there, just with credits.) Here they are:

Opening:
>mega.nz/#!eignwShQ!97HbHeq946JqcimWzGLyKRJHUlj6YJ7k7Iysym2PiDs

Ending:
>mega.nz/#!CnpxFKwS!hUTraZlSDnVyHfcP9ux5nxEXWIaGGpPppG3aYUiz3bY

And this thingy:
>mega.nz/#!WyhlRaIK!-5VFl5vcxz1d4NJXiZ2k4kq-2ViXnUF_vlmRd_xeWRs

Episode 21:

Now, this one is just silly. I do like motorsports, but it's a strange setup for for an episode. Especially when we don't see much of the actual race and most of the anime is just a chase after (or from) rather uninteresting villains.

We get to see Miharu and Pochi again, doing their best, once again, to earn some money. They are fun, but I don't like that whole sub-plot at all, which is the sole reason they were kept around for. It goes nowhere, neither from a narrative nor from a thematic point of view.
On the plus side, there's another confrontation between Honey and Jill.

And next month, we'll be done. Only four more episodes to go. Not sure what to do after that.
Maybe an in-depth rewatch of Universe, because it would match up with when it aired last year (April to June).
Or maybe Flash, to give that one a bit more exposure. (But that wouldn't match up at all, it started airing in a winter season, if I recall correctly.)

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Oh, and, by the way, the "character voice" bonus-CDs that came with the BDs are great as well.
Volume 3's bonus disk is practically all major characters giving an "Arutoki" introduction speach speech!
(Sadly, I don't think I should upload that one.)

Well, I'm gonna start posting fanart again until someone comes around who wants to discuss things.

This is the newest from the drawthread. A WIP.

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Hey dude. I'm glad the thread is still up.

So I finished Universe a week or two ago, Man those last few episode were kind of rough. Pic related must have been not fun to watch for you when it was airing.

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Emphasizing that I was very disgruntled. This was tres no bueno.

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Hey! I've read your post in that 3x3 thread (that got deleted before I could respond).

>Man those last few episode were kind of rough.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I turned quite dark. But, honestly, I feel that that "gravitas" adds to the whole experience.

>Pic related must have been not fun to watch for you when it was airing.
Not fun, no, but compared to the deaths she got in other adaptations, this one was very respectful and dignified.
Watching episode 9 is actually where I always tear up. Seeing her suffer like that. Of course, it's also that episode that fills me with immense pride for her. That and episode 8 are exactly why I love her so much.

In a way, I see that death scene in episode 12 more as a conclusion to her arc than as a death. What she really, essentially, is - who she is - can never die. That scene was symbolic, and hopeful.

Here, if you're in the mood for some reading, I'll link you what I wrote about all of that in the very first thread after the regular airings:

>boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174962166/#174962200
>boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174962166/#174962236
>boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174962166/#174962265
>boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174962166/#174962294
>boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174962166/#174962328
>boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174962166/#174962408

I hope you enjoyed it overall, despite it being more "serious" and depressing than other entries to the franchise.
I think that that tone in episodes 10 to 12 really made Natsuko's death feel more real and consequential. The first time we ever really mourned with Honey.
(And episode 9, just like 6 before it, were masterfully done. Again, very tasteful and respectful.)

They really like nipples

Sure they do. Who doesn't.
Tarantula's are the cutest, of course.

Nagai once drew her naked, by the way, in Animal Kedaman. Pic related, uncensored here:
>files.catbox.moe/2w73ij.png

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Nice blog.

Well, I'd love if someone took my posts about the original anime's episodes as a basis for a discussion. Though, I admit, this month's batch is not the most interesting one to discuss.
At least it might attract new people to the franchise. And we always discuss something.

The seriousness helped me get into the show a little more than most of the other ones. I teared up a bit too when Tarantula became Natsuko to try and comfort Honey or whatever she tried to do with that.

I tend to like stuff with a bit more of a constant narrative, over something like the original 1973 version. The emotional buildup to Honey learning who Genet was and the whole Genet/Jill thing I think is my favorite part about this version. And I kinda wish that was treated as the climax because the final battle itself really didn't do a lot for me. Naoko coming back was cool, though I don't understand why they did that yet killed tarantula so non-chalauntly.

I'm glad I watched it though and figured out for myself that the ratings it got were due to societal bullshit rather than the quality of the show itself.

>I teared up a bit too when Tarantula became Natsuko to try and comfort Honey or whatever she tried to do with that.
It was pretty much that. Of course, Honey knew that it wasn't really Nat-chan (which is why she was dismissive at first). Tarantula knew as well. But it was exactly what Honey needed.
In that scene, Tarantula repeated Nat-chan's last words (nearly to the letter). She reminded Honey of how Nat-chan felt. And she provided a shoulder for her to lean on. Someone to talk to.

>And I kinda wish that was treated as the climax because the final battle itself really didn't do a lot for me.
I agree that episode 12 wasn't about the emotional weight to the characters anymore. I see it as the whole metaphysical, ethilcal argument being played out in a scene.
Everyone joining together, everyone being Honey, bringing out their inner goodness - that's what mattered. And it's probably why the series is called "Universe": It wasn't just the story of Honey and Jill, it was everyone in the world against the universal evil that Zora symbolizes.

>Naoko coming back was cool, though I don't understand why they did that yet killed tarantula so non-chalauntly.
Naoko coming back was badass. And it showed that, at least in this series, death does not have to be the end. It's not the end for Tarantula either. (Nor for Natsuko.)
They all became so much more than just characters. And, most importantly, both versions of Tarantula that died were not the "full" Tarantula, just inividual parts of her that needed to cease to restore the human being that she is.

The more I rewatch Universe, the more I appreciate what it has given me: Characters and themes that I can connect with deeply - not only because I love them (and I do), but because I recognize them as parts of myself.
Especially Tarantula, who found it so easy to love others, but only in the end learned to love and to forgive herself.

Oh, and I think sharing individual one-line tracks from the CDs counts as citations, right?

I guess I can share this one:
>my.mixtape.moe/ihqevf.wav

And this one:
>my.mixtape.moe/rkpmnl.wav

CH Universe season 2 announcement any month now.

As much as I loved it, and as great as it was, I cannot see a second season. It was a conclusive story, never intended to span more than 12 episodes.

Of course, if we ever get an adaptation of Nagai's 1991 sequel manga, I'd trust Production Reed with it over anyone else. Of course, if Jill revives, Universe's Tarantula should return as well. (And maybe Dragon. Damn, I never expected to like Dragon as much as I do.)

>The more I rewatch Universe, the more I appreciate what it has given me: Characters and themes that I can connect with deeply
Fuck yeah. I imagine you were already a big fan of Cutie Honey before Universe came out which makes it cool that it just ended speaking to you on the deepest level out of all the shows.

It certainly spoke to me the deepest on an emotional level for me. It made you empathize with Honey more. It made Tarantula a more relatable character that I'd say was probably my favorite Panther Claw member in this version. UNLESS Jill counts then she is by far my favorite this time. I could be backwards with my thinking here but I feel like in some of the ways Genet acted, specifically the ways in which she acted in order to become someone Honey cared about and relied on, would imply that she had the capacity to be that person had it not been for her getting wrapped up with panther claw and corrupted upon becoming Jill. I assume Jill is like all of the others in that regard? A woman who got tuned into a monster. If I'm correct in assuming that, then I'd have no problem calling this my favorite one so far. Though I still think my all time favorite "thing" in the series would be the Imaishi's episode of Re:

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>I feel like in some of the ways Genet acted [...] would imply that she had the capacity to be that person had it not been for her getting wrapped up with panther claw and corrupted upon becoming Jill.
I mostly agree with your interpretation: Universe made it clearer than any iteration before that Jill is not some universal evil entity like Zora. Jill is evil in the same sense humans are evil: She decides to be evil, over and over again. On the one hand, yes, that means she has the full potential to be good. On the other hand, it's more damning - she doesn't do evil because she had no choice. She does evil voluntarily.
You get the opposite in Tarantula (or, to a lesser extend, in Seiji in the original manga): A character who has all the potetial to be evil, but decides to be good.
Both Jill and Tarantula are decisively "human". They can be anywhere on the "moral spectrum", and end up on different ends of it as a result of who they are and what they do.

Neither Honey nor Zora have that capacity: Honey is pure, she can only ever be good, hence she's not representing a "moral good", but a metaphysical good. The principle of goodness. And the other way around for Zora's "pure evil".

The way I see it, those four characters are what constitutes the whole ethical reading of the story. Of course, Nat-chan has a special role as well, as a "mirror" to all of them.

Do you think we'll ever get any version in an anime that will actually deal with defeating Zora? I though it was pretty funny that in this one they didn't even bother with her besides mentioning her once or twice.

>Do you think we'll ever get any version in an anime that will actually deal with defeating Zora?
No. And I couldn't imagine how that would play out. Unless that anime makes Zora a lesser evil than she traditionally is.

Of course, Shin was on that path, where Zora lost that "ultimate evil" vibe and became quite human-like. (Shin, of course, was never finished.)
And the 1973 anime, even though it didn't go there in the end, painted a Zora that was more "mundane" than the manga's Zora.

But if we want to keep Zora as that symbol of evil, an original evil, what would defeating her even mean? How could evil ever be defeated. That she stays in the background (and doesn't enter into a direct battle against the good that is Honey) is kinda pivotal to her character. And to everyone else. Because, if her evil didn't exist, what value would "being good" have. She always has to be there to be the thing Tarantula, Nat-chan, Seiji, Danbei, Junpei and everyone else decide against.

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I don't know what beating zora would be but I assume it would require the Air Fixing device. I guess only time will tell but who knows when another adaptation will come along.

I guess the only other thing I have to watch is the 1997 TV series. Not having the full sub makes me a little hesitant to watch though. I might also rewatch Kill la Kill now that I have seen so much Cutie Honey. I think I'll enjoy Ragyo a little more now that I've got so many parallels to draw between her and Jill.

>I guess the only other thing I have to watch is the 1997 TV series.
Flash? Yeah, that is a bit of a dilemma. Have you decided yet between learning Japanese, German and Spanish?
Seriously though, it'd be great if someone finally put in the work to provide a full English sub. Like I wrote up here ( ), I'm considering doing what I did for the original series for Flash and talk about the episodes a bit in these threads. To maybe spark more interest. Then again, interest has never been the problem with Flash.

And did you watch the three live-action things already? The two films don't take much time, but the series will.
And what about the manga? Have you read "Cutie Honey a GoGo"? Just suggestions, of course.

Anyway, you're, of course, always welcome in these threads to give your input. There will always be things to discuss, I guess.

I'd definitely watch Flash before any of the other stuff. I don't find I'm really into stuff as much if it isn't animated. I don't know how to explain it but animation has always just intrigued me more than film, graphic novels/manga or books ever since I was a kid. And I have a lot of anime I want to watch.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. Even though I do love live-action films (some of them, not all, naturally), and I sometimes prefer reading manga to watching anime - the medium does have its clear advantages. Animation allows for a lot of expression through style and direction, more so than film does.

I do hope you'll get to enjoy Flash soon. It's a really great experience that offers its own unique approach to Honey. And it's so very 90s.
Until then, well, there's always the parts of the franchise you do already know. Or, like you said, there's other interesting anime outside of the franchise as well.

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