Just finished Season 1. Is Season 2 worth watching?

>watch it split with English and Japanese
>implying

someone here is pretending to be retarded

Does it matter? It's not like he had any personality

just watch it all.

season 2 is different and not AS good but still pretty unique in terms of anime stories and definitely worthwhile.

movie is fun too.

huh, your life must be pretty shitty. try not to kill yourself, k?

Season 2 is garbage. It was made by a different studio, had a different director and was basically completely written by a different writer. It's just a rip-off of the first season but worse in every way

Sorry, did I insult your favorite non-character? lmao

back to r*ddit

Mika>Akane

this desu. the VN is also kinda worth it as it takes care of the whole "Eustress Deficiency Syndrome" plotline. only if its on sale, though.

No

Akane is more bearable and the system is explored more. Aside from that it's a downgrade for sure. Movie is good though.

>All the digibro cucks ITT
Yikes

A bit off topic but I’m nearly finished with the series and was wondering what other people thought. Is this show trying to support fascism or even authoritarianism in a world of post scarcity or is it decrying them? I understand it’s not fascism in the traditional sense but it’s about as close as most people understand it to be.

Honestly I kinda get the feeling it does and sort of wants to say that not only does it support authoritarian fascism in a post-scarcity state but also seems to suggest that it isenivitible and so must be managed as carefully as possible.

Edit sorry when I say “nearly finished with the series” I mean season 1.

I mean the protagonist wants to replace it (once a better system is formulated), the antagonist wants it shredded, and its holes and flaws are constanlty focused on. So it's not ADVOCATING it in any way.

Just eat some pastels, and anything is possible.

it's more complicated than that. Kogami becomes more and more like Makashima as time goes on. Akane thinks a world without Sybyl (a metaphor for the state) is possible, peacefully (Post-Marxist theory). Kogami sees it as possible to overthrow with revolution (early Marxist/Lenninist theory), while Makashima wants to smash the state without any thought to the consequences (Egoistic Anarchism). Sybyl supporters believe that humans are incapable of managing themselves, which is pessemistic if you're from a collectivist society like japan, realistic if you're from an individualistic society like america. and thats where the cultural disconnect is, and probably why you thought Psycho-Pass supported fascism.

Wouldn’t it be the reverse? As in wouldn’t a collectivist society believe that humans are incapable of managing themselves and thus require intensive, collective management whereas an individualist society would find authoritarian rule of the few over the many to be pessimistic?

I also feel like we’re slightly mixing our metaphors here in terms of pessimism and optimism towards authoritarianism vs anti authoritarianism, which the Sybil system seems to fundamentally be. Are you saying that one group of people would automatically be pessimistic of the idea and the other not? I see the slipper slope we’re doing here of “no it’s more complicated than that” “NO it’s MORE complicated than THAT” but I would like to see this clarified.

Not really.

>As in wouldn’t a collectivist society believe that humans are incapable of managing themselves and thus require intensive, collective management whereas an individualist society would find authoritarian rule of the few over the many to be pessimistic?

No, I'm saying that since a highly collective society like Japan may theoretically be capable of self sufficiency without a state in a post scarcity society, the belief in Sybyls necessity in this case pessemistic.

An individualistic society is not, in my opinion as a sociologist, capable of self sufficiency. Sibyl's necessity for the western world be considered realistic in this case. For example of this dynamic, see the JC Denton ending of Deus Ex 2: Invisible War.

>Are you saying that one group of people would automatically be pessimistic of the idea and the other not?
No, it's just because of the curcumstances and locale, the same views have different implications.

As points out, it doesn't advocate such a system. It takes a more neutral stance showing what works and what doesn't in a utilitarian sort of way. It has functional stability, but injustice towards a minority (which the same can be said of modern society). Making the villain a revolutionary isn't supporting the system, just addressing that a population incapable of self-governance would fall to chaos if the state is suddenly decapitated, which is counterproductive to improving the state of being for the citizen.

Strike that, reverse it.

>Making the villain a revolutionary isn't supporting the system, just addressing that a population incapable of self-governance would fall to chaos if the state is suddenly decapitated, which is counterproductive to improving the state of being for the citizen.
Which in that case would why he's the villan. He would be betting on society to fall in the case of an absent state (statism). Also note how badly the system wants him.

Also note how a small group psychopaths deciding everyone's lives is an on the nose allegory for politicians

Wait what do you mean “collectivist society like japan...self sufficiency without a state ina post scarcity society, the belief in Sybyl’s necessity in this case is pessimistic”? Are you saying that self sufficiency along with a state, regardless of the type, are not mutually exclusive to post scarcity? I always understood the sybyl system to be emblematic of an authoritarian state but regardless of the type of state you’re saying that a collectivist society is capable of society even in an anarcho-state? There’s no way that’s right except in Christmas-land theory unless we are misunderstanding one another. As an aside, as a literature major and only psych/soc 101 under my belt what are your actual readings on fascism and authoritarianism (not to imply they are mutually exclusive) and do you tend to value Marxist theory over fascist in terms of analyzing how to handle systems of state?

I feel the need to reiterate here my understanding of the series is that, at least from MCgirls point of view and the feel I got from the show as Sort of points out is that the show takes a neutral stance but as I see it seems to imply authoritarianism as necessity, I suppose at least in a collectivist society which I suppose we could read as being racially homogenous as in japan, in order to persist in post scarcity but cannot go without criticism and change of its major failings.

Sorry about typos I’m without a laptop at the moment.

Sorry, “a collectivist society is capable of a post scarcity society even in an anarcho-state”. Though I suppose with the use of criminals to hunt down dissidents the way the state does in Psycho-Pass it’s really more of an anarcho-tyranny.

>Are you saying that self sufficiency along with a state, regardless of the type, are not mutually exclusive to post scarcity?
They are not mutually exclusive if I understand your question.

>you’re saying that a collectivist society is capable of society even in an anarcho-state?
Possibly under post scarcity, but impossible in an individualistic one. I might even be off about how large a difference collective vs individualistic makes, as i have not done an ethnography in japan yet. i plan to to figure this out amoung other things. all i know is that my home city's murder rate (usa) is 55 per 100k, and japan's is like virtually zero even in shinsekai. there's gotta be something there. i plan to figure out what. and no, /pol/lurkers, its not race

>you’re saying that a collectivist society is capable of society even in an anarcho-state?
also, akane would say yes.

Ugh sorry about the triple post I just saw where you mentioned makashimas ideology of egoistic anarchism so you’re second post now makes more sense. I suppose I really just need to finish the show before I can analyze it from top to bottom though from what I’m reading the show does seem to do an impressive job of painting a neutral, realistic picture of a post scarcity, authoritarian future while providing multiple potential resolutions to its major failings.

no prob user, im about to sleep anyway. the complexities of the first season are what make the 2nd one kinda disappointing (it lacks). the movie will touch more on the actual intricate nature of the system's implementation.

one note about sociology, its best taken as a minor to a major involved in big data or human computer interaction, like IT or IS. you can get away with taking neat masters level shit like "sociology of cyberculture" and not have your advisors hassle ya for it. goodnight and enjoy the ending.

I mean waaaaaaay off topic but...

if it’s not race what is it? I’m genuinely curious as to your thoughts as I have never been able to find another reasonable explanation for it that doesn’t engage in mental gymnastic and frankly lying. Or is 13 black do 50 crime just a coincidence? Also how do you explain the correlation of europes massive crime and rape increases as its nonwhite population simultaneously explodes?

Again I’m genuinely curious to hear your thoughts. I hope we can still be friends.

If you watch the movie I highly suggest watching the mixed dub. Where Japanese speak Japanese and the foriegners speak English

Yes, but i only watched it because i liked Akane as a character.
Kogami is a terrible character and I honestly can't imagine why people like him so much..... he's just bland.

last post, but first, an unrelated musing to post-scarcity communes: an information system is a system of management, not a state, but it is also a gateway to power.

okay, so if its not race, it is multiple things, like cohesion, collective culture, class, inheritance, etc. not a lot of upwards mobility in the children of slaves. they also tend to hit their kids as punishment, as taught to them by slaveowners, which is the best way to make a violent criminal/murderer, white or black, due to it teaching violence as a legit means of problem solving. whites and blacks in the USA both have lost their original ethnic culture to history, which sucks, because as much as i dislike ethnonationalism, its a cheatcode for cohesion. honestly, combine white paganism with black voodoo (both very similar) and you could start a reactionary anti-semetic (for a common enemy) movement to bring the two groups together. it would probably be more successful than the black israelites, but i dunno if it would ever go much further.

The easiest simplification is poverty. Poverty incentivizes your typical crime (as opposed to exploiting regulatory loopholes and tax evasion you see on the other end of the financial spectrum). The rate at which poor people reproduce outstrips the rate at which they move upwards into the middle class, thus sustaining an population that is incentivized to commit crime.

I loved the first one but will never watch the 2nd since you can smell the shit from afar.

Ehhhh getting further off topic but I’m pretty sure that “hitting their kids as punishment as taught by slaveholders” is just wild conjecture as is that corporal punishment is “the best way to make a violent criminal” how do you explain the rapid increase in violent black crime after desegregation and it’s correlation to mandates against corporal punishment against children? I can find sources but I’m sure for the sake of argument time you can do that later.

Just said though the idea of combining white paganism and black voodoo to find a common enemy in reactionary antisemitism is just trading one ill for another (in that currently intellectualized blacks are manipulated to be anti white see the secret history of blacks and Jews, see the entire history of the NAACP before 1974 where it was 100% Jewish run). Honestly you might find ethnonstionalism distasteful but as we move into the 21st century I have yet to see any other social system that could come anywhere close to the concept of permanent post scarcity which I, assuming is the ultimate end goal for anyone police. Though that being said the old saying of “easy times breed weak men” might disagree...

Anyway I know you’re probably down for the night and this was highly informative to see how the thoughts of a gentile soc major centrist in relation to authoritarianism in psycho pass. I’ll probably finish the show and post a discussion here in a few days here’s hoping you see it.

Getting further and further off topic but I’m pretty sure studies (despite their scarcity due to social disapproval of such studies) have shown poverty doesn’t explain violent crime and it especially doesn’t explain stuff like rates of rape, drunk driving etc. for example why are white communities, like those found in the Appalachia’s where there is desperate poverty but high white racial cohesion, so much less averse to violent crime?

I did say it was a simplification. But to conjecture further (as I don't have facts to back me up), I'd say status quo. How have Appalachia's crime and poverty rates, even if not correlated, varied over time relative to broader averages? I would posit that hotspots tend not to disappear because such violence becomes subconsciously adopted into local culture. There's also the cultural perception of law in general. To relate back to the thread topic, as Akane says: "the law doesn't protect people; people protect the law."

Also food for thought don’t all o these things relate to race and racial culture? We know that there are genetic differences between races doesn’t it also stand to reason that those genetic differences extend to behavioral and thus ultimately cultural differences, coll3cfive culture, class movement due to intelligence in indivuslist societies, inheritance, etc? This shit is way more complicated than just basic bitch “racism” and “anti racism” and we owe it to the people of the world, both white and brown, to understand it. Just something to think about.

Anyway sorry anonkun night.

Yeah but that should also hold true for black communities especially those where “snitches get stitches” is the cultural norm. At some post you have to just say “okay. How do we equalize all this” and I think, fortunately or unfortunately, stuff like fbi crime statistics and reporting is all we can go by. There’s a ton of reasons to trust or distrust crime reporting but honestly man this seems like an Occam’s razor fallacy to me.

Fuuuuck man i can’t stooooop.

My point was that (perhaps) poor black communities are presently more violent than poor white communities because they've (possibly) historically been more violent. I'm limiting the explanation to the cause of present-day violence, because the historical root of the problem becomes much more complex.

>you're one of them you fucking dumbass

by the way, what are these Psycho-Pass movies/OVAs I keep seeing on Anichart? Are those coming to blu-ray? Are they like airing in theatres?

NO AND IGNORE THE MOVIE

What second season. Just watch the 1st and the movie and pretend it never got a second season it is so bad even skipping it and watching the movie which is chronologically after the 2nd season doesn't cause much confusion.