Defend this

Spoken like a true hippy.

>Copyright terms longer than 20 years is indefensible.
I've fixed that for you.

Copyright does make sense, but for it to last forever plus a day is an affront to civilization.

Piracy is a service problem, if my choices are importing manga from japan, subscribing to at least few of dozens manga services or use one have it all website that store pirated contend I'm gonna pick the easiest option for me.

basically this

This is an anonymous imageboard; you don't need to lie. Obviously you would pirate anyway

>piracy
>stealing

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>206,531,563
>defend this
I can't. They should have taken down many more.

dont call the cops, but i scanned this cookbook recipe and posted it online

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Agreed. People pretend that changes to the service would increase their incentive to pay, but if they'd be honest they'd admit for there to be no reason to pay for an inferior product, e.g. streaming.

I would buy selected bluray if they were being sold digitally at a reasonable price. I'd still private at least 5 times that amount, but in some cases I'd very much be willing to support to studios. Right now the only way that allows me to do so is via art books, since I have no interest in any other content. I am neither gonna pay 80 bucks per bluray nor am I gonna buy an inferior product. Digital copies are easier to transport, play and use.

I know I would never pay no matter how cheap or good something is. Nothing can compete with free and instantaneous. When I really want to support something I'll buy merch and still pirate

This. Ownership of ideas is an illegitimate concept to begin with.

Correct. Not him but once you learn how to do it and know where to look you can get whatever you're looking for. Ironically enough I've been drawn back to the cinema but I've never felt like paying for physical media outside of that. I like the big screen, that's all. Most of this "entertainment" is garbage as it has been in the past and will do in the future. Only about 5% of all physical media is actually good and will be remembered going forward. Me paying or not won't change that since the entertainment industry has already adapted to piracy and is probably even more better off than it was before. I will continue to pirate until it is physically impossible to do so.

They have the money for this, but not for hiring people who actually bother to read the manga before "translating" it.
They're doing a worse job than random people on the internet and then have the gall to claim this shit. First focus on giving a quality service and then we'll talk.

Yeah of course. There's no individually rational reason to ever pay full price, only our collective interest in the creation of a larger number of new works justifies this and it's easy to free-ride off other people leading to a too low level of revenue. It's why the higher prices need to be set by force through the copyright system

>fourth highest
Disney number 1?

Intellectual property is a spook.

Just thinking about all the money it cost them to issue all those takedowns brings a smile to my face.

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copyright laws were a mistake

Correct-a-mundo!

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>be intellectual property lawyer
>me while reading this thread

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Explain how the anime you like could possibly exist without copyright

Dude I am a true capitalist. FREE MARKET HO HO HO!

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Top 3 are from the music industry. Disney is 37, Toei and Funi are higher than that.

For most of history, there were no copyrights. People still created great works of literature, art and music.

>only our collective interest in the creation of a larger number of new works justifies this
I have long since given up on hoping that by paying i can support and encourage something i like, after all it doesn't matter the companies will inevitably just fuck up everything at this point i couldn't even pay for something i want because it's not made anymore.
Instead of supporting the creation of larger number of shit new works you should stop paying for anything to disincentive this retarded mentality not that you would matter anyway.

>For most of history, there were no copyrights. People still created great works of literature, art and music.
That's a good one.

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Yes, please go ahead and compare the medieval or greco-roman literature situation with a modern one.
Works of Art is a pretty different matter as those were for the longest time commisioned which makes copyright irrelevant.

you couldn't easily illegally download them online back in the day either

Much less so, though. Even for things like operas where the actual creation doesn't cost very much and the marginal cost of a new performance is very high copyright still made a huge difference (economics.stanford.edu/sites/g/files/sbiybj9386/f/moser_feb_11.pdf). For something like anime where the cost of producing it is very high and the marginal cost of showing it is effectively zero the effect would be even bigger

>his ancestors didn't pirate moonlight sonata 3rd movement
Yeah I can see why you ended up here

>copywrite laws
Yikes

Ok
>500BC
Godtier
>2019
Plebtier
Anything else?

Nah, I'd love to watch anime on my iPhone™. I don't want to waste valuable time and storage on downloading some weekly shit.

The virgin buy VS The chad pirate never ends

This triggers the zoomer bootlickers

People did pirate back then though. It wasn't free like now but people would still go to see concerts that weren't authorized by conductors, read books that weren't printed by the author's press, stuff like that. It's why copyright was created in the first place

>Actually believes copyright and pattern laws were made to protect creators
Yea Forums is officially reddit 2.0

they can't make money isn't a defense. copyright patent and intellectual property laws are morally indefensible. if I can print a book you thought about better than you could or more local than you could I see no reason I shouldn't. if you can't make money off that the book exists perhaps its not that good perhaps you should make a better people toss money random bullshit like streamer girls and guitarists on the street

English please.

>I see no reason I shouldn't
And that's why you're a NEET sitting in a basement jerking it to 2D characters.

it was 5 before that why not that why not 21 why are you afforded an arbitrary amount of time to make money off of it

why do you think shounen jump is experimenting with the whole latest chapters of series are free to read approach

They were, though
It was supposed to incentivise the creation of new ideas by giving the creators full control of them for a period of time
I doubt the people that came up with it saw Disney coming

Spineless bootlicking libertarian Vs autistic hardcore libertarian
Round 1
FIGHT!
P.S. FUCK LIBERTARIANS, PERIOD

That's why the MPs said they were doing it, and they did actually enrich creators, so it seems like a logical conclusion
Who said? The non-excludibility of creative works is a classic market failure

unless you're disney

the fakku jew approach. offer a free shit to retards for a while then slap them with subscription fees

I'm not actual the official translation having exclusive rights is technically legal but all these laws are logically incoherent anyways. after all my translation is my idea and hence my ip

And everyone still copying them.

why is kissmanga still around? just report it to blogspot

You know, I'm really not saying that it should be 20 years over 5 years, but specifically that under 20 is defensible and over 20 is absurd.

>It's arbitrary
Do you have a suggestion for copyright term that is not somehow arbitrary?

art was always paid by commission or salary they were not products

>libertarians
>defending copyright laws
Pick one. Most libertarians reject the idea of copyrights, as they are not property rights. Copyrights allow people to use the force of government to stop other people from excercising their rights to peacefully produce copies of your work with their own equipment.

>I SHOULD have the RIGHT to use and monetize YOUR IDEADS wtihout having to PAY anything, so you're the one left with RnD costs while I simply UNDERCUT you by 80% and still make a profit
>these are the same people who criticize aggressive feminism, socialism and begging gibmedat niggers, all while behaving exactly the same

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>that they
read better its not hard that's a common autocorrect error. new to computers?

Copyright longer than the lifespan of the creator is indefensible. You should be entitled to profit off the fruits of your labor but after you die megacorps can eat a dick

Most ''libertarians'' are brainlet zoomer Shapiro fangoys that just regurgitate his popaganda

I purchase manga and anime legally. I'm keeping the industry alive in the west. Someone has to pay for these translators. You're all lucky teenagers are really into anime right now. You could only get limited amount of VHS tapes back in my day to watch anime.

yeah 0

Consider the purpose of copyright; to promote new works. Then look at when you see rapidly diminishing returns in terms of new works and set the term there.
It's a good example of why libertarians are retarded. Imagine actually believing private property is not the creation of the state

Big Corporations are just as evil as big government, If not worse. How you defend them is beyond me.

>autocorrect
>computers
Uhm...

>statures
Seinfeld.gif

>always
Never say always.

Agree on the rest.

>who said
did you read it, it has a lot of I and perhaps

gofundme made copyright irrelevant.

you want something, pay upfront.

Yeah. Patrons of the arts. They were the 1% of the population that could enjoy that shit. Plebs played tunes in the pubs with shitty instruments.

I thought about skipping rocks with my left hand, you can't do that, its MY idea

The entire post is a disaster.

You're not even trying to be taken seriously, are you?

Wow I guess if I spend millions and millions of dollars putting together incredibly complicated code I should just let some assholes use it for free.

Ideas aren't scarce and therefore not property. If someone overhears your joke, you won't "lose" it because it was immaterial in the first place.
>but muh exclusivity
Exclusivity "rights" are actually privileges since they artificially create scarcity where there naturally isn't any.

please explain the difference between that and a book I don't see it. your saying I can't do it because you thought of it

You don't need to. Posters on Yea Forums are a dying breed. Most anime is streamed to mobile devices nowadays. Just look at download numbers, it's in the thousands at best. As long as Apple dominates the mobile market there will always be people around to pay.

programmers are paid on wage and sometimes commission. so yes your an idiot you should've gotten paid up front

>please explain the difference between a single action and a very specific concatenation of tens of thousands of words
>Ideas aren't scarce
Marketable ideas that are likely to yield profits however are. Nice try.

Well gee I wonder how those programmers get paid if the company doesn't get any money from software.

New ideas are absolutely scarce. It's really obvious that this is the case, too. How many new anime were there this season? An infinite number, or really not that many at all? You're confusing the marginal cost of showing another person an anime with the total cost of creating it in the first place.
Who pays the programmers? More importantly, why?

>Consider the purpose of copyright; to promote new works. Then look at when you see rapidly diminishing returns in terms of new works and set the term there.
Yeah, I think that's fairly straightforward. But my question is specifically if you (or anyone) have seen any data suggesting a specific number.

Hah, as if anyone would ever do that.

I posted a study that found that, for operas in the 19th century Italy, there was no significant increase associated with terms beyond 20 years

Hope you like having your video game options limited to FOSS ports of old board games

You can't own an specific instance of [idea] because it's not tangible, and even if someone reproduces it you won't lose any specific instance of that [idea] because it was abstract in the first place.
You can theoretically copy it as much as you want and no one will lose anything. If I write down a specific number, it won't disappear from your computer.

>You can't own an specific instance of [idea]
You very clearly can, which is why the concept of intellectual property laws exists. You simply decided that it shouldn't be the case, ignoring the high tech market that thrives off of reverse engineering and digital distribution. Really, you haven't given anyone a reason to even take your seriously. All you do it make it clear that you're stuck in the 20th century. Regarding the mental gymnastics you perform to justify the process of copying ideas you might wanna have a chat with the drug industry. Ask them what they think of your claim that they don't lose anything if someone else copies their designs that cost 500m to make, is piss easy to reverse engineer and costs peanuts in chemicals to reproduce.

And if I can't exclude you from watching my new anime unless you pay $10, it won't get created at all. Whose life has been improved by eliminating copyright?