Why is Innocent grey so underrated compared to Type Moon, even though Miki has made far superior work compared to Nasu for the last 15 years?
Miki's stories don't need mage hackery and are always shown in a realistic post world war 2 seetting with realistic characters, great story and heart wrenching bittersweet endings. How long until they reach TM status with some decent anime adaptations?
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Also post all the Touko pics you have. Her voice is pure innocence personafied.
Touko is far superior to all the TM girls combined. That's for sure.
Miki's art is also superior to Takeuchi.
Why do you compare it to Typemoon ? Typemoon has lots of works with different contents so it's hard to compare though
>Typemoon has lots of works with different contents
So does innocent grey. They have been making the pg Yuri series for some time now.
Nasu hasn't written anything good since hollow ataraxia with the exception of mahoyo which will never be completed.
Really want to see the KNS series animated by bones or Madhouse with izubuchi yutaka as the director.
Mahoyo is shit though
Nitroplus is better than them combined.
At least Fate had, to my knowledge, an original concept. On the other hand, one could argue that KnS is trash for something that's actually copying so much from actual good works.
Mahoyo was trash too. The only thing good to come out of Type-Moon franchises were Prillya, Carnival Phantasm, and the Knk adaptation.
>KnS is trash
user, at least try.
It has good visuals and music. But the story is trash within it's genre.
Nope. The characters and setting is great too. And as a murder mystery it was quiet good. Although as a whole I liked KNS 2 more.
Fuck kara no shoujo
If it's the only thing you have read, then sure, you might think it's good.
It took bunch of inspiration and plot tools from great novels like Tokyo Zodiac and Mouryou no Hako but never used them correctly.
Cartragra and KnS introduced twins, which is like the most powerful device you can use in mysteries (so much that authors within the genre use them ironically to make fun of the concept), but never actually used them correctly. Adding bunch of gore for entertainment value doesn't make a mystery good.
I'm just answering OP's question as to why KnS isn't as popular as other games.
they are not even twins
or I am remembering wrong?
The concept of twins in mysteries don't actually describe the existence of twins, it basically describes the legality of body switching. If the author says that 2 person look identical, whether or not they are actual twins, it means he is allowed to use the concept of body switching in his mystery. This can be seen in Cartagra (Main character and her sister) and KnS (Satsuki and the other Satsuki). It's usually used to setup a big plot twist at the end.
How do their waifus fare in comparison to TM?
Touko > all the TM girls combined
Based Miki. Takeuchi can't even come close to this art.
>always shown in a realistic post world war 2 seetting
Flowers is set in modern japan though.
Quick summary about this girl ?
is this how you give back massages?
Go read Kara no Shoujo. It's worth it, just for her alone. You play a detective and she is your client who asks you to find her true self.
Well, all of their works except for flowers has been set in that era.
Seriously how ?
Yes
No VA from TM can reach Aji Sanma's(Touko) level. Her voice is other worldly.
Wrong, but IG's girls are very good overall.
Though, they are a little too samey.
Yeah, no.
Imagine saying Prillya is better with a straight face.
Don't make a habit of this topic, it is technically off-topic.
Seriously, the last thing Yea Forums needs is another gimmick thread.
What is his endgame?
Literally the only people who think Mahoyo are good are the EOPs that haven't read Mahoyo.
It's not a surprise that Nasu doesn't want to write more VNs after the disaster it was.
They'd be better if their games didn't get EOP'd. It makes an eroge dev look cheap.
How come not getting official English release will make it better for them? Nitro+ gets them as well and are doing fine. Also IG has gained a name for itself as well. Obviously its not on the level of TM but I think it has a lot to do with not getting actual anime adaption of their works that isn't a hentai.
It's just /jp/ that throws bitch fits whenever one of their "kamiges" gets translated and people realize it wasn't the masterpiece they said it was.
Is flowers Class S?
Fellow Toukobro, do you have some good official art of Kyouko as well? I can't find much on the net.
>it wasn't the masterpiece they said it was
Although not a masterpiece, the KNS series is actually quiet well written. Especially the second episode. I read these VNs for the characters and setting and as long as Miki delivers on that I am fine.
I'm posting what I have, but you probably already have it.
It's yuri
Fuck Valve for not approving KnS2 and Cartagra while they let literal garbage on their platform.
Sadly the image I posted is the only art of Kyouko that I have which isn't a game cg.
Who cares? As long as mangagamer makes enough money from it, it's fine. Besides we will probably have to wait 2+ years after the release of KNS 3 to get the official translation.
Think of all the Japanese reader chads spoiling everything.
Get fucked, she doesn't come close to Shiki or the Aozaki sisters.
lol
If Kyouko continues to e a heroine in KnS3 (which I think she will) there will be more official art. I mean, she has the hightest chance to end up with Reiji
I don't even buy VNs on Steam. I just want Innocent Grey to get more money so they are more enthusiastic about being their other titles to the west. Caucasus looks really interesting. I don't know why no one is interested in translating it.
I hope so. Also Kyouko is pretty much confirmed to be the winner of Reijibowl. What did you think of their relationship in KNS 2? I enjoyed every scene they shared together. Her relationship with Reiji just feels so natural and realistic. You can just feel the connection. I still think Touko's the best but Kyouko is a very close second for me.
Kyouko is waifu material. She cares deeply for Reiji, but doesn't want to burden him with her problems. She is also admired so much by one of her cute customers to the point of being stabbed
Btw I wonder if string bikini is already a thing back in the 1950s. Touko looks great in it.
imagine rejecting this
I hope he has significant role in the last installment. Since Stella is playing an important role, he will be important as well due to his connection with Stella
See you later, Touko.
>You play a detective and she is your client who asks you to find her true self.
Sounds like trash, which is exactly I was expecting the moment this thread came up.
You think your shitty VN can measure up to a billion dollar franchise?
You're delusional.
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another KnS thread?
Bonus.
user I can't help it if you have shit taste.
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>Popularity = Quality
You need to be 18+ to post here.
Does our girl Yura deserve a happy end?
Can you spot Touko in this pic? There is something belong to her in here as well.
Where is this from? The untranslated extended version?
Nagomibako
It includes an after story for Cartagra.
Now, I just have to ask. Am I a brainlet, or does Cartagra's story make no sense? It starts to get nonsensical when the cult and the maybe supernatural / maybe not powers get involved. And the girl replacing her identical twin.
What's with that strange arc where you meet the blonde girl who's really into you? Is that entire arc simply to punish you if you fall for her charms?
>Nagomibako
Have you played it? Did Yura die on stage, in Shuugo's arms?
Yes. Yes. There's also a second end where Shuugo runs away with her.
Honest question, do you actually do anything constructive at any point in these games? It feels like you can't avert anything. So far, in all their games, you can't prevent any of the deaths. If you try, you get horribly murdered too. (Kara no Shoujo has *a bit of branching* in that you can save Shogo's wife, admittedly.)
I just feel I'm missing something.
In Cartagra you are pretty pathetic honestly.
Yeah, that struck me as weird. The protagonist is an ex-soldier, but he relies on a one-armed woman to do most of the fighting for him! More, his only actual action is to shoot a woman, once.
I kept feeling that there was a novel I had to read or something. The silver-haired girl and the brothel situation felt like I was walking into the second movie in a trilogy.
I see. That's why Yura was never mentioned or referenced to in KnS. I remember seeing a poster of the play in Touji's office.
Have you played the PS2 version of Cartagra by any chance?
>Have you played the PS2 version of Cartagra by any chance?
Nah. Seemed pointless.
I'm still amazed by the fact they kept thinking she had psychic powers BECAUSE SHE HAD GREY EYES.
I'm sure this made sense to someone, but not to me.
But I heard that the PS2 expands multiple ending, like an ending in which Yura actually kill Kizuna, a Touji ending, and the continuation of the original normal end where Shuugo finds Yura in his room after seeing off Kizuna
Might be interesting, but at the time I was fine with just the PC version and the Nagomibako story.
To be fair, Shuugo was obviously designed to be your typical eroge self-insert. He is literally faceless. I'm glad they fleshed out Reiji to the point of giving him a voice (by Redman no less)
I'm still holding on playing KnS2. Is it better than the first one? i don't want to go through the feeling the ending of kns left me.
Based Suwabe nailed Reiji's character perfectly.
> it better than the first one?
Yes.
>don't want to go through the feeling the ending of kns left me.
KNS 2 tells you what the ending will be in the first scene and you still get gutpunched in the end. That's a hard feat to achieve in writing and Miki certainly delivered on that
>Miki's stories
He's not the writer.
If you're going to talk about kns here you might as well talk about the anime, otherwise this is /vn/
>He's not the writer.
Yeah, but he is the director and has enough influence to add what he wants.
>it was
But you're not actually reading it.
Just want to point out that that user is not me. I would never make such a bad post (shitpost). I think he only did thatvto make me look bad.
Im And i will check out this vn for sure
You can prevent the deaths that only happen in bad ends, it's just that there are a lot of deaths in the true ends as well.
It's about the same in terms of how good it is. I would say that reading KnS2 helps you come to terms with what happened in the first installment, although you'll suffer a lot more in the process, but as for me personally, I felt a lot better overall after reading it.
user's description here is not really that interesting to be honest. Kara no Shoujo is a horror mystery thriller VN in which you play the role of a 30 years old private detective in his investigation of multiple related murders. Victims are all young girls and their bodies are mutilated in bizarre ways. The killings may have something to do with the reason the MC left the police force 5 year before. The main heroine attends the same school as some of the victims. She approaches the MC and asks him to look for her true self, whatever that it. The setting is Tokyo in post-war Japan (1950s)
The game mixes typical VN gameplay with point-and-click adventure elements. You get to investigate scenes of murder to find clues and collection. There is also deduction sequences where you choose the correct reasoning to solve the case. Choose wrongly, and you might find yourself a victim. The game have a date system and in certain dates you get to choose from a map where you want to visit. There are usually 4-5 options, but you can only visit 2 places at a time. Your choice (and the order you make them) will have an impact on the story.
I highly recommend checking out the VN. It has superb arts, music, and atmosphere. Certainly one of the most atmospheric VN I played. It's not really gory, but certain scenes will send chill down your spine.
Anyone else haunted by this track? Especially in winter
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Be warned that the game is quite implicit and completely uncensored. Another thing is that this game is infamous for its high number of bad endings and how difficult it is to avoid them. Here are some advice if you want to solve the game by yourself:
- Save at every single investigation scene. It really easy to screw up, and you don't even know it until a few days later. Make sure to click on every pixel - multiple times. Even if you already find something from a place, there are maybe more hidden underneath. Some clues don't even show up until you go through all other clues, or investigate them in certain order. Most treacherously, the investigation scene may end prematurely if you collect certain clues, often the most obvious ones, so leave the obvious clues for last.
-As I said above, you can usually choose 2 places to visit from 4-5 options in certain dates. The choices you make will affect the endings you'll get. Certain endings require you visit a specific place on a specific date. Here is what I did: I saved every time I was presented with a map, went though every single option, then chose the ones that I felt would advance the investigation the most.
Additionally, there are typical VN choices regarding dialogue and action that decide the ending. In my experience, you can reach the most complete normal end by yourself, but it's humanely impossible to reach all endings and unlock all CGs without a walkthrough. Try getting a normal end by yourself, and use a non-spoiling walkthrough for the rest.
MANYO's tracks are great. This one in particular broke me when It was played . You know why.
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This is her voice btw.
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Because TM is literal shounen chuuni shit despite what their fans would have you believe and that is always going to be more popular. Nasu can't even keep his own plot in order
Annual reread starts tomorrow, I can't wait to have my heart ripped out of my chest again.
Found a vid of a PS2-exclusive ending.
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Isn't what happened after Shuugo was arrested a big nightmare/hallucination/acid trip?
Avoid getting killed is already a big achievement in this kind of game.
I see you spam KnS and Touko threads in Yea Forums, but this is IG > TM is pretty retarded. You're retard desu. Should I remind you that KnS is literally plagiarism of Moryo no Hako?
The FLOWERS score is absolutely brilliant too.
I think it's as good as the first one. It's better in certain aspect (art, music, gameplay). The thing I miss the most is the constant sense of danger, which is absence in KnS2. The main heroine is also a disappointment.
Bad story. There is two stories going on. Main case and secondary "girl" story. Main case will be interesting but final will be retarded and unbelievable. Everything related with secondary "girl" story is bad. It's great example of forced drama and poor writing. You will be completely disappointed. But true final of VN absolutely worth it.
>i don't want to go through the feeling the ending of kns left me.
What do you expect? This is Innocent Grey we are talking about here. They have a boner for maiming cute girls and making depressive endings.
Just read it. Like this user said , the emotional outburst at the end is worth it.
Wow the entire Cartagra (minus the sex scenes) has been dubbed into English
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Sick shill.
I'm just surprise it got a dub (fandub but still) consider that KnS sales are not that good in the west. They even sings the OP in English.
>CARTAGRA The sickness of possessory and crazy
Why the fuck nips are comically bad at English? Can these eroge companies hire someone with elementary English skills to translate the titles? Even Google translate would do a better job than this.
Her voice is so perfect.
Let's be honest. Touko is a slut. What kind of teen girl would sleep with a middle-aged man she just met 2 weeks before, in a public park of all places?
You little shit.
if you ever have a connection like this with someone you can fuck him you pathetic piece of garbage.
sorry
>know someone well
>that someone also knows you well
>even invited said person to your home a week before
>lust after that person and only that person
>get called a slut by anonymous
No, really. I was really upset with that particular ending, mainly because I did not see it coming. When the game gave what I knew was a crucial choice, I chose to rescue her alone first, because I expected it to lead to the bad end. My prediction was right. I was heartbroken but I told myself there was still the good end. I loaded and went with the other option, and they gave me THAT? I literally screamed at my laptop screen in disbelief. I then went over my notes to see what I could have done differently, what choices could be made to avoid the accident. And then I lost all hope, knowing it's the best they could do for her. Fuck you Innocent Grey.
What is the likelihood of a Japanese having the ultra rare bombay blood type? Was kinda mad at that contrivance.
Can't believe after all these years there are finally active KnS threads on here
user, KNS is hopelessly tragic. You aren't meant to save her. The story never allows you to do that to get to the true end.
I didn't know that. I went into the game completely blind. Tojiko's death was already hard enough, but at least the amount of death flags made me mentally prepared. I never expected they would do the main heroine dirty like that. I still held a little bit of hope for the true end, but it only gave me a fucking painting.. That's considered closure to you, Miki?
> KnS sales are not that good in the west
Source?
/vn/ told me sales for both KnS are disappointing. Some even doubt that they would translate the third game.
>That's considered closure to you, Miki?
Read KNS 2 to get closure for Touko. It tells you how things will end in its first scene and you still get gutpunched hard in the end. That's a hard feat to achieve in writing and Miki certainly delivered on that. But keep in mind that KNS 2 also ends on a massive cliffhanger.
>/vn/ told me
>/vn/
user, the translator of KNS 2 said that while the initial sales weren't great they improved a lot and got a profit later on.
All you had to do was to keep distance from her. Why didn't you listen?
I am one of these people who thinks Touko is still alive. not because I am "obsesses" (lol) but because I don't trust skeletons to be proof of anything only a doctor can say that for sure after an autopsy
I already did. Do you think I could wait for a single moment to jump into the second game? Yeah, that first scene almost killed me. The final sequence finished me for good. Obsession end is just pure cruel.
It's time to let go, son.
/vn/ also told me that Flowers being translated is the result of anti-white propaganda.
user...
Maybe I could if she had stopped being such a tease. And what's with the casual rape jokes?
This is exactly what they call obsession.
wut? how?
>/vn/ also told me that Flowers being translated is the result of anti-white propaganda.
I would love to see that post.
I remember staring at the menu screen for a good while. That fucked me up.
The prewar stuff in KnS2 is a snorefest. When does it get better?
after the one with the deathflag lost the hangman game
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I didn't think he'd be able to top reasoning from the first game but somehow he fucking did it.
How many of you have IG related waifu, beside me?
always
>only a doctor can say that for sure after an autopsy
>not because I am "obsesses"
get some help
You all have a signed copy of Miki's artbook right?
Do you have reasons beyond the generic few?
And saved. I never found this pic without watermark.
Yep, that guy is deluded.
lol
just dedicated
user, please provide a download link.
n-no
>caucasus
Have you played the game?
I see. So there's only 2 of us. Still better than being completely alone.
There was a post here, now it's gone. I keep writing but I can't convey my feelings. I have turmoil inside my head every time I try to write about my feelings for Toko. Sorry for replying so late.
I hope Miki doesn't do anything bad to her anymore. Reiji already came close to loosing her once.
Kara no Shoujo had a bigger impact on me than any other story I ever read/watched. It is a huge milestone in my life and I am forever thankful towards Miki Sugina for creating such a magnum opus.
For me this Visual Novel is a homage to empathy, love and life itself. It helped me to re-evaluate what is actually important and thus made me a better person.
Touko Kuchiki is a very important person to me. She taught me passion, dedication as well as freedom in many ways and for that I am so thankful. Her voice. This pure, unique voice....
I love you ToukoI am sorry I couldn't save you
There was another KNS Thread the other day that claimed Touko to be the best waifu of all time and it made me think what this game and Touko herself means to me and this is what I came up with.
Bump for my waifu Touko.
It's weird. I don't remember seeing this many KnS fans on /vn/.
Based Toukobro.
How much importance will she have in the last installment?
One thing we can be sure about is that she's going to get her overdue H-scene. The question is with whom.
So how long until the release of KNS 3?
For me KnS was initially a proof that I'm not completely dead inside, I never felt feelings as powerful as the ones I had for Toko. Then with each reread I kept finding different parts of myself, when I first read it I resonated mostly with Reiji, then found myself resonating more and more with Toko, and with each next reread I found fragments of myself within each character, even within insanity of rokushiki.
I had ability to dream many dreams during the night and I decided to dream of Toko as much as I can. Dreams that I ended up with uncovered many parts of myself that I didn't know of and ultimately turned me into a psychonaut, just as she tried to find herself, I'm searching for myself.
Hopefully not soon, I don't know enough moon yet to read it.
It will get an official translation as well. We will just have to wait for 2 more years.
Good luck trying not to be spoiled the ending in that 2 years.
I wasn't spoiled on KNS 2. I only looked at some of the game cg, didn't even read the spoiler review that was published in 2013.
Good for you. I was spoiled the ending of KnS2 while discussing the first game. Some fuckers can't help themselves with spilling the beans everywhere they go.
I hope Masaki doesn't get much screentime in the last installment. Really didn't find his character interesting. A generic good guy with a boring personality.
Bump
Kara no Shoujo is complete garbage though. Like if Twin Peaks were written by an edgy housewife.
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