What's the quintessential "style over substance" anime?

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is this nigga serious?

Hells (no, not Hellsing you plebs)

Casshern Sins

Also Kite

Is "all style, no substance" always a bad concept?

no

Nah

For a visual medium, style is substance.

>Bebop
>Akira
>City Hunter
What braindead retard made this? Why is City Hunter even there? It doesn't even try to make you think it's deep. It's suppose to just be fun with nice visuals. Although I will argue the contuation series, Angel heart has plenty of substance despite not being canon.
Strongly disagree about Casshern.

California Crisis is the ultimate example of style over substance. Looks nice, 20/10 soundtrack, plot and characterization is pretty much non-existant and I don't think it getting that second part like it was originally intended to have would've changed that.

Either it or Dragon's Heaven is the ultimate style over substance OVA.

Everything Kawajiri did during his heyday falls under that category. It all looks really, really nice (especially Wicked City and Demon City Shinjuku) and it's fun as hell but it's also shallow as fuck.

Absolutely not. I get way more enjoyment out of all style, no substance than pretentious the pretentious shittery that infested anime in the 10 or so years after Evangelion.

I think you don't know what the term "style over substance" means, user. It's less about being "deep" or whatever, it's more about what kind of message does your anime try to convey? None of the stuff on that list has profound themes or a good narrative structure, it's all about vacuous visuals.

How is "profound themes" any different from being "deep"?

The former is an actual term, the latter is a buzzword and lost its meaning.

>none of them have proufound themes or a good a narrative structure
Who the fuck are you?

If you looked at that list and are then unironically claiming that nothing on it "has profound themes or a good narrative structure", then you just don't know how to identify those things unless they're rubbed in your face until you bleed.

monogatari has pseudo-style

Kimagure Orange Road. It's equally as gorgeous as it is complete garbage.

Don't judge that user. He worked hard on his little list.

Let's take Bebop as an example: the show has no really meaningful characters devlopment, no overarching plot, and the show is entirely focusing on style over substance. People are saying it's the greatest anime because it pulls off its episodic format well with great style is the equivalent to saying the A Team is the pinnacle of kino or that Quentin Tarantino is the greatest director the world has every seen. Cowboy Bebop is alright but it's a massive plebian filter for people who want to appear classy and intellectual despite not wanting to explore the medium whatsoever.

It's Flip Flappers

ok retard

Depends on what you mean by substance.

I like how you just said none of those shows had "good narrative structures", and then immediately admit that Cowboy Bebop pulled off the episodic structure well.

Now, if Faye's arc isn't character development, I once again say you're incapable of detecting that things are transpiring unless they're directly stated to you. Speaking very slowly or written in a huge font, preferably.

Cowboy Bebop is about not letting the weight of the events around you and the problems of the world bring you down. Spike and Jet come face to face with tragic and unfair things time and time again, but they're already mature enough to know that, despite the fact that they briefly got involved in troubled people's lives, letting the gravity of those situations suck them in, even to help, would only ruin them. The ending is sad because Spike, despite doing this when it comes to other people for the entire series (even to his pals on the Bebop), couldn't do it to his own past. He's crushed by that weight.
And the fact you (presumably) got attached to them as a viewer and got really affected by their hardships is the reason you're the one that's gonna carry that weight from now on.

If you think that's GOOD substance or not is irrelevant, the matter of the fact is that it is substance. You're literally just too dumb to notice it was there because no one explains it straightforwardly in the show, and took that perceived meaninglessness as a chance to go and try to seem smart on the internet. You know, the Dunning–Kruger effect. So thanks for proving my point with that reply.

>no really meaningful characters development
>no overarching ploy
Just stop. You are objectively incorrect with your lack of detailed statements that have dare I say... "no substance". Plus it's hard to read with your atrocious grammar.

>Dunning–Kruger effect
user, Cowboy Bebop is literally just a used-future space western. It's pretty cool and the characters are badass. Stop overthinking it with your unimpressive 115 IQ.

Good post, good digits

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space adventure cobra
golgo 13
dirty pair
witch hunter robin
X
JJBA

Original FLCL

K Project

Redline and that's a good thing.

Lain. The plot is the worst kind of pretentious diarrhea and the series entirely gets by on visuals, mood and atmosphere. In fact most mindfuck series, like Key the Metal Idol and Big O, fall into there because the plots are so up their own ass in pseudo-philosophical bullshit and shitty metaphors and allegorical imagery that they're nearly incomprehensible so all you can do is enjoy the atmosphere provided.

yep, and its great example of something that could only be made on the animated medium

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as well as all of its spinoffs

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>Violet Evergarden
square up

literally this.

This OVA called Birth from the early 80s. It's literally just a tech demo for animators to goof off and see what they can do. The story is barely there, but it looks cool.

>I get way more enjoyment out of all style, no substance than pretentious the pretentious shittery that infested anime in the 10 or so years after Evangelion.
This. And it's not even that works lack substance. Most anime, like most entertainment, is genre fiction and most genre fiction is simplistic at its core. You're going to get a lot of what's essentially the same story with all the same components told a little differently. I think real brilliance is shown in how one utilizes a medium to convey even the most simple story.

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what would the opposite be? what anime is "substance over style?"

hunter x hunter

RIP Nirasawa-sensei

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BASED HUNTERCHAD

>style over substance
meaningless statement circulated by pseuds.
Style is substance.

HxH has a shit ton of style
It's more like equal substance to style

Rakugo Shinjuu comes to mind

It's Space Dandy. Bebop had a good blend of both but he just went overboard with Space Dandy and turned it into shit only a stoner could enjoy.

recently Mob Psycho
the story is nothing special

Style is more important thatn substance anyways lmao.

>Most Ghibli movies
I agree but I also don't think it's a bad thing. Spirited Away is a simple coming of age story and Mononoke is a simple heroes journey, but they're both so damn beautiful it works.

Bebop > Dandy > Champloo

>how to make bait list
>pick a handful of legitimately good anime
>fill the rest with trash and bait
>itt overrated shit
Well done.

Mob is an interesting deconstruction of superheros and his relationship with Reigen is great.

Mushishi has very little style or substance, but is still extremely enjoyable

Helsing ultimate, although no substance doesn't necessarily make it bad

Ore ga Suki nano wa Imouto dakedo Imouto ja Nai

if this manages to keep morons out of viewing those and showing up to discuss that stuff here, i sincerely thank you.

>Mob is an interesting deconstruction of superheros
It's not even about superheroes. It falls more in line with the essentially Japanese esper tropes.

If by style you mean visual style and by substance you mean overarching plot, then any SOL animated by Shaft or Kyoani, like Hidamari Sketch or Lucky Star.

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I knew if I found Tatami Galaxy it would be prime bait
I'm not disappointed

>Violet Evergarden
>Most 80's OVAs
basically

telling it like it is

In a visual medium style IS substance.

agreed
no one said its a bad thing

>Casshern Sins
This

You are right about Cobra and Golgo despite both being great.
>Akame ga Kill
>having style
I agree.
Disgusting. Champloo is far better.
Wrong.

Style IS substance.

Consuming art is both an intellectual and experiential pursuit. Some art asks to be UNDERSTOOD, like a puzzle or Doom level or a short story. Other kinds of art ask to be EXPERIENCED like classical music, a surrealist painting or an experimental film.

The truth is all art is on a continuum between these two modes of connecting with the audience, and anime is no exception. Some anime can balance both visual direction and plot quite well, engaging both sides of the audience’s artistic perception, while others specialize in one area or the other. It is alright to prefer one type altogether, but to dismiss the other as if it lacks substance makes you look really ignorant.

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>blah blah pretentious jargon blah blah

Just because you lack the capacity or willingness to understand doesn't make it wrong.

porn easily

>>>/veddit/

t. MHA fan

I don't care if it makes me ignorant to dismiss shit like Redline and Angel Egg. It's fine to experiment and focus on visuals, but don't expect me to like your canned shit just because it's conceptual. Work on the fucking story if you're gonna write one, god fammit.

Jojo is 1000% style over substance

Just read a book then faggot

Very well put.

>while others specialize in one area or the other
Isn't that just what the term style over substance means in this context? It doesn't necessarily mean they have no substance, just that it feels secondary.
Things like Iblard Jikan or Cat Soup have some substance, but it isn't what I'd mention first when talking about it and isn't the reason I like it.

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Anything written by Nisio or directed by Yuasa (not counting Ping Pong).

Space Dandy a shit. It's literally only there for the pretty pictures.

>Style IS substance.
Compared to true substance, style is just the shallow surface of the sea. Saying that style is the entirety of substance is akin to saying that you know everything about the sea, even though you've only ventured as far as your feet can reach the soil.
>Consuming art is both an intellectual and experiential pursuit. Some art asks to be UNDERSTOOD, like a puzzle or Doom level or a short story. Other kinds of art ask to be EXPERIENCED like classical music, a surrealist painting or an experimental film.
Yet the intellectual part is ignored by those who put style over substance, because it takes the most effort to appreciate, and conceive.
>It is alright to prefer one type altogether, but to dismiss the other as if it lacks substance makes you look really ignorant.
Correct, it's wrong to dismiss style, as shallow as it truly is it's still an infinitesimally small part of substance.

did redline need any more of a story than the one it had? it's your mentality that leads to focus-tested Hero's Journey regurgitation.

>it's your mentality that leads to
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

>Stop overthinking
This is going to be a new buzzword, isn't it?

Redline is the best example. Nobody is going to fight that is a beautiful visual movie with a so simple plot with no need of deep development for the characters because you are just enjoying the visuals.

You seem too attached to the bastardized version of Aristotelian structure that Hollywood forces to their viewers.

Concrete Revolutio
I still love it

Any FKMT series