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Why is Yami the best shonen mentor?

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>Bait prompt in the OP
Just let this one die too.

Imagine working for a website and not getting paid

Can Jannies delete threads?

They can, but the last thread probably just died.

No it was pruned thread was on page 3

>Guy called Jack the Ripper.
>Hasn’t slashed a single female character.
???

He deserves a special nice woman to give him victory hugs.

Pic spoilers when

>Last one was deleted
Even the mods know Black Clover is trash

ノエルの場所にジャックが助っ人リルとの戦闘ををチャーミーに任せてアスタとミモザが上に上がると倒れているバヴァルその場に残っている人でもエルフでもない魔力を感じるミモザユノとパトリライア最後のセフィラのロンネが対峙マナゾーンでパトリとライアの2人を圧倒するが物質の位置を交換する魔法でロンネに魔石を取られるユノこれで今までの全てが報われるというロンネの言葉の嘘を感じお前は誰だと聞くと怪しく笑い何かを唱えるロンネ。ライアの腹に黒い穴が空くライア「まさかこの転生は…」凶刃と共に姿を現す人でもエルフでもないもの…！

You know your toilets gross yet you do nothing

Translate?

It's all off-panel.

I can't wait to see that noelle ryona

Last week spoilers didn't say that Charmy was going on beast mode

>Jack saves Noelle

>Charmy lets Asta and Mimosa escape up

>They find Yuno cornered by Raia and Patri

>Yuno's elf is called Ronne

>The spell completes

>The Devil emerges

According to spoilers he’ll be facing off against Fana next chapter.

Last week fake spoilers also said Yuno was coming to Noelle's rescue.

Jacques in the place of Noel Leave the fight with Ril to the charmy and let Asta and Mimosa rise up When Bavar falls up Bavar feels the magical power that is neither the person remaining on the spot nor the elf Mimosa Yuno and Patriaia of the last Sephira Ronne overwhelms the two of Patrí and Ria in confrontation manazone but he takes a magic stone in Ronne by magic exchanging the position of the substance Yunho feeling a lie of the words of Lonne's saying that everything so far will be rewarded Ronne who casts something amusingly laughing when asking who it is. Black hole on the belly's lining Rya "No way No, this reincarnation is ..." That is not a man or an elf that appears in conjunction with a bad knife ...!

>So bored as fuck and decide to look all the volumes' cover
>noticed all the volumes filled the whole cover with the same color BG except for Charlotte and Yami
What does Tabata meant by this? Is this another foreshadowing? Who knows Yami's grimoire will turn into light blue later. We already know the front color of the Volume 11 were foreshadowing on Charlotte's red roses

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>Vanessa can sing
How can Charolette even compete?

I'm pretty sure Grimoires aren't monochrome. Charmy when turned into Human had her grimoire turn black.

Bet not having an age gap.

The jannies actively kill black clover threads all the time. Must be a thing they talk about like
>no more than three shounen generals up at once.
Or a hot pocket just hates the show and abuses his power.

Hey, I didn't consent for Tabata to use my form as a model!

Post your chad body

Yami is fucking garbage
>Oh no!!! There is not a single man in the entire city who can overcome this curse, whatever will we do!
>Oh heaven's thank you for sending us this foreign Japanese man who is for some reason really tall and built even though Japanese men are meek and 5 feet tall max with some of the smallest peckers in the world
>Yes please colonize her blonde haired blue eyed pussy with your superior foreign seed!
>Banzai Nippon!
Seriously fuck Black Clover, what a pile of shit, considering dropping it.

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>by being the most fuckable woman in the whole Kingdom
>can't fate rape her cuz she has strong Mana force.
>got the whole attention of Vanessa's crush and find it amusing
>almost the same age as Vanessa's crush who's not into younger or older
>the absolute fuckery and self inserting teases that Vanessa's crush gave on Charlotte which confirmed that Vanessa is a cuck.

For Charlotte it does. Dunno about Yami.
Let me check Charmy's grimoire volume if it's indicate something

Then drop it if the only reason you hate him is because he's nip.
Nobody will miss you.

Yami doesn't even particularly like her, so who cares?

Vanessa can't fate rape anyone.
It only stops body endangering negetive outcomes.

I feel certain that the anime is going to get to Noelle's Minerva Dress scene at some point, but if they manage to fuck it up, then I am dropping this show flat out.

t. newfag

Agree. If Yami was a literal black bull as the name of his squad implies it would be better.

I didn’t post make a fake spoiler this week so it might be legit.
Asta would be good for GAR songs which involve yelling.

Yamis the son of a fisherman.
An olden day fisherman.
Man was always going to be built like a truck

Legit thought he was gonna destroy Yuno's twink butt when he got pissed.

>Manga Asta
>His devotion to Sister is so strong he stops an entire horde of deviants from their degeneracy
>Anime Asta
>He's left as an afterthought at the literal last second of the anime, kind of jokingly

The manga and anime played the joke basically the same.
You are bitching about a non problem.

I assumed they all peeped in the manga after gawking at Asta.

You have no sense for an order to things.

The joke was that Asta's devotion to Sister was so staggeringly strong that everyone re-evaluated their lives, as per Japanese joke central. And it was effective, it worked well as a joke. The anime failed on the delivery. Not as huge a problem as the failure to deliver last episode on "this isn't my character" (gave the line to the FUCKING FAIRY). I see that they tried to make up for it this episode, but shit, what a disaster.

I just re read the chapter and I still don't see what the fuck you are talking about.
Nothing implies they stopped.

I want to drench Bell in my cum!

/pol/
And those are Koreans, japanese are half white and have 5 inch average dick not micro ones.

Yami would be one thousand percent better as a buff girl prove me wrong

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/u/ is shit.

Okay make a pretty flower boy knight as well then

> Getting rid of our blessing of Charlotte
This keeps getting worse.

>ywn btfo Charolette in battle.
God I want to wipe the smirk off her face.

She would kick you in the balls with the power of 1000 mph winds

>Yami is a black
>He was fisherman when young.
>He copied Nippon because he liked it.
>Black katana swordsmen
>Got adopted by an aryan father who made him do better.
>Drinks and tells people to shut up or he'll fight them.
>Calls his group the Black Bulls because he can.
>Respects Asta because he's trying to come out of the incarnation of the hood to be something.
>Vanessa and Charolette are two rich white girls who wants the big black bull.
My sides are in orbit.

She's not even smiling

It's the same retard who hates Charlotte and can't spell her name correctly. It's too obvious

> Ball crushing.
Yes...

I’m sorry if I sound uninformed but what the flying hell is a jannie and hot pocket?What happened to calling crazy people idiots and jackoffs, wackos etc..?

She can't use her magic well against strong mages with high concentration magic field.

Her magic works fine under most circumstances. I don't think Charlotte's oppressive mana would make Rouge stop working.

It didn't work fine at all against Fana. At least not until Noelle weakened the Salamander.

Nope, it won't work against Charlotte. See how Fana's concentration magic field burned her threads and disabling Finral's spatial magic.

We don't know if that would effect Rouge.

It'll affect Rouge, damn. Think of it, user.
Rouge is composed of threads, he's a fucking spell from a grimoire not a fucking spirit that plebeians assumed or what. If Vanessa get tired, the cat also get tired or erased it's existence.

Noll

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Usually NOLL A CUTE, but.. that NOLL NOT A CUTE

Do they ever explain how Yami acquired their base?

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T. Speedreader

He walked into a seemingly abandoned building and found a half dead gimp who sucks the mana outta people. Pretty sure he just claimed that shit as his own

I imagine this is what Asta will look like when he gets older. I mean, Asta is already super muscular for a guy his age. Pretty sure he'll at least obtain Yami-status if not more when he gets to be older.

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Ehh I'm not going to argue hypotheticals

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Not even the best mentor in BC

Guess who is back

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Im a speedreader, who was the original body of this ronne guy?

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Based Charmy

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OH FUUUUUUCK

Wow I guess noelle gave no fucks after that and just went straight for impales

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Yay devil kun from the anti magic book is back!

We only ever seen ronne in flashbacks.

rekt.

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Let's talk about Nero suspicious whereabouts

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You mean demon god kun?
Astas grimoire still has devil kun in it.

Nero is with the bulls.

Henry.

Nope.

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>Jack The Ripper has slashed a women
Fucking finally.

Does anyone have any doubts he's lichts undead son reincarnated yet?

My impression from the panels and art is that Nero followed Yuno

Jack is hilarious with almost anyone he works with.

Seeing Yuno in action again was the best part of this chapter.

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Looks like Nero missed going into the castle to me.

Okay Yuno is 100% Captain level at this point.

>yuno already above rhya
Powercreep be damned.

Naw it clearly shows Nero tried to follow him but the portal closed before he could get in.

>Patri strong enough to kill Yami, even stronger with elf boost
>Raia took on Asta, Zora, and Leona all at once with elf boost, then took Leona's self destruct
>Yuno easily outpaces their attacks
>Lonne easily outpaces him and puts hole in Raia so fast he cant even be seen
what the fuck is this power scaling

I love this girl too much. Why isn't she real...
Wait.

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Woah relax.
We actually still don't know that.
They attacked yuno and hes capabilites caught them off guard. We don't know if he's stronger than a fully on guard raia.
But this user is right still.

>the final round of humans v elves

I fucking love tabata

Well I hope this page clears up the whole “Fana has no offensive capabilities”. Debate.

Keep in mind nothing there really shown yuno as stronger than raia other patry. His attacks didn't really faze either of them.

SHAGGY

Nobody was arguing she had "no" offensive capabilites we said she had no offensive spells
All she did was pump mana out basically proving her only spell if her healing spell.

>Liar jobs twice
jesus christ

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C-congratulations user you're wish came true.
Based madman Tabhata.

SHAGGY IS THE TRAITOR
Rhya being Liar finally became relevant
TABATAAAAAA GET OFF OUR BASKETWEAVING FORUM

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>Fana has shit offensive capabilities, they said
>Noelle can beat Fana by herself, they said
>Noelle is a bad match up for Fana, they said
>Noelle about to piss in her Valkyrie dress
>And Fana gave absolutely no shit about whatever Noelle tried but looked awfully troubled when Jack appeared and stopped her magic
I am happy.

Surprise attacks and letting their guard down but yes the power is going up fast.
There needs to be another boost for the knights, licht is strong cause he's like jesus so they need to pray and love mana.

> Fana has shit offensive capabilites.
This still holds true if you have to have your opponent impale you just so your mana can burn them.

We got it already, Tabata. Yuno is related to Licht, now just reveal it already.

Noelle was being a dumb baka and didn't try to drown her.
Coulda been an easy win.

Vetto had to let Asta impale him too, and Mereleona had to have Vetto hit her as well? Does that mean they have shit offensive capabilities too?

Nobody who looks like Shaggy went into the portal, and the only "person" who we dont know the location of is Nero (who entered with Yuno).
Guess this confirms Nero is Shaggy.

>She can totally drown this immortal elf with superior mana, I swear.
Sure.

What's "his elf powers" cause all I see is Sylph? This is very very relevant for determining if he's the halfbreed itself or if he's got a reincarnated fetus in him.

I Miss Julious.....

Considering Vetto could kill asta pretty easy in a 1v1 yeah
Could fana beat asta in a 1v1? No because her offense sucks dick.

also has a knack for collecting magic stones

Her magic is regeneration
Filling your lungs with water ain't a matter of regeneration.

Nero never.made it into the portal with yuno.
He tried and failed.

But why did Vetto need to let Asta impale him if his offensive is so good?
And Mereleona needed to let Vetto hit her in a 1 VS 1. Does that mean Mereleona's offensive capabilities are shit?

Elf mana control?

Having your upper half being blasted away and still being conscious and not feeling anything with a swirling lance inside your abdomen is also not a simple matter of "regeneration".
And she can just vaporize the water anyway.

Vettos offense was so good asta needed 2 mobility support mages to make sure he didn't get killed.
And vetto let asta impale him because we wanted asta to feel maximum dispair.
Leona.didn't need to get impaled.

>people are already making fun of Raia

She can't vaporize flooded room

O MY REINCARNATION MAGIC
AFTER I'M DEAD
RETURN BACKGROUND CHILD #3 TO LIFE
ALONG WITH MY APPEARANCE
AND THE WIZARD KING'S LIGHT AFFINITTY

Who and what is the bird? I forgot

literally the only funny post you've ever made jimmy

What are you blathering about?

>Asta need two mobility mage to support him
Vanessa isn't a "mobility" mage. She's just a string user with support capabilities.
So you're saying that Noelle's mobility is incredibly shit then? Since only people with shit offensive would moss her.
>Leone didn't need to get impaled
Buy she needed to get hit, so her offensive capabilities are shit, shouldn't they?

> Who is the the bird
Nero
> what
He's an anti bird

given that lonne's magic seems to be teleportation , I'm not so sure about that. But then again with that logic he could have teleported into the portal from anywhere.

What are your basis for that statement?
And you also don't know if Noelle can flood a room filled with holes that lead to a bottomless empty space.

What has been the longest (in chapters) 24 hours in shonen? This has to rank up there at this point.

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No more than 0 would be ideal to be fair.

>Would miss* her

The great ninja war in naruto takes a day, and is 100+ chapters.

Vanessa increases other mobility.
She's a mobility support.
Vetto could beat noelle 1v1 like he did luck who's faster

> Buy she needed to get hit.
Big difference between getting punched and getting a giant fucking Lance through you.

Why does Lonne remind me of Valtos? Is it just the markings?

Noelle can make a sea dragons nest the size of the bulls base.
She can effectively make her own contained room

I still didn't see fana cast an offensive spell yet.

That smile is the Devil's smile.

>tfw noelle actually gets anti magic by letting a devil in her grimoire
Increased everything I guess and if Yuno really is a half born he should be able to use one more magic that he isn't aware of.

Nevermind then, we're only hitting like 50 right now.

Pattoli did a similar smile when he betrayed the eye of the midnight sum.

Oh, so Shaggy might just be gay?

Why are people assuming half breeds in General al get 2 magics and not just human and dwarf hybrids?
There is no bases to assume a human and elf hybrid will have the same traits as a human and dwarf hybrid.

Ladros did it too.
So...maybe?

She still isn't a "mobility" mage, she's a support mage.
>Vetto would beat Noelle in 1 VS 1 like he beat luck, because he's faster
Of course he would beat her, but can he necessarily do that without getting hit on purpose or getting hit at all?
And what if Luck is faster? Speed doesn't necessarily equate agility or evasiveness. Or are you implying Yami is faster than Patri? And rouge makes everybody faster?

>Big difference
I didn't know Noelle actively uses punches and Vetto actively uses a lance as a weapon. Thanks for telling me.

>mixed breeds can use two kinds of magic
Because the elf told us so?

So Shaggy is really the Juvdas of elf. Tabata never fails to deliver.

Yami is what every man should aspire to be.

Fana has enough power to create mountain sized blasts with salamander but without the elf buff, and Salamader's claws alone could vaporize the nest when Noelle was trying her best.
Now, how can you be so sure she won't be able to do the same without Salamander but with the elf buff?

Luck has the greatest mana sense and magic reaction of the bulls other than maybe yami.
Garentee you Vetto would not take a hit from noelle with her inexperienced Lance lunges.
> 2nd part.
I don't actuary know what you are.trying to say there.

The only mixed breeds that existed were dwarf and human hybrids.

Not that user, but iirc, the official translation had him say that halfbreeds may be able to use two magics. So I guess it's possible but not actually guaranteed.

If she could do that she could have beaten noelle by now by blowing up the room.

Yeah, quite a bit from the last several chapters is gonna end up being very important for understanding bc metaphysics but without the official translations there's a lot of theorizing that is left ambiguous.

And even then the only half breeds that he could be referring to are human and dwarfs.

I'm pretty sure the two magic attributes is an exclusive trait to humanxdwarf hybrids.
I fail to see what other hybrids he could be talking about but if the manga hasn't mentioned them yet they don't exist.

What the fuck is this debt supposed to be?

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Greatest mana sense, yes.
Magic reaction? What even is that? And we're talking about a guy who jobbed to a smoke magician, and got hit by magna who is a fire mage with canon shit offensive magic AFTER Luck got a speed and sensing boost. His speed is great, but you're vastly overrating his ability to not get hit, especially pre-elf boost.

Meanwhile, Noelle has Acier's dress. And Mereleona talked about how Acier was untouchable on the battle field (filled with Diamond mages, one of which beat Luck), and Mereleona herself couldn't touch her (even though she can match Vetto).

>I don't know what you are trying to say
That speed =/= agility or evasiveness? What don't you understand with that?

>Noelle didn't flood the room because she's dumb
>But Fana can't blow the room because she can't do it
So which one is it? Is it because they can't do it or because they are dumb?

>julius will revive soon just like jesus revived from the cave

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From what we know of noelles capabilites she could totally do it. But she's a dumb baka.
If fana could have just blown up the room and been done with it bUT didn't.
She's either a really dumb baka or she can't do it.

Tabata better not
Julius should stay dead

We don't know the particulars of how acier was untouchable.

probably reincarnating the elves, but he was lying so the debt hasnt been repaid yet.

Doesn't change the fact that noelle has zero close combat experience.

>From what we know of Noelle she can do it
No we don't. You said that she could create a nest the size of the Bull's base? But isn't the room much bigger than that? I'm not sure about that. But how can you be so sure?
>Fana could have just blown up the room but didn't
We also know that she has an unavoidable suicide spell. Why didn't she use it even if she can probably revive herself after?

MS translation is also up now.

We totally know she was using the Valkyrie dress, though.

Good thing Fana isn't a close combat mage, then. And good thing Noelle got fucked the instant she got close, it totally makes sense.

As an outsider all I'm getting from this is that women are stupid.

All I'm saying is that it's a shit offensive move if it requires you to get impaled. A sword impale is one thing. But a giant circular Lance is another.

Still didn't see fana use an offensive spell.

Quick question, does Asta's horn have a chunk taken out of it? Or is it whole? because I've seen official artwork with both

Holy shit, just give up, you fucking autist.

Now I get why the spoilers said Yuno is Ronne.
Because the elf inside Yuno is supposed to be Ronne. Why else would Rhya ask if he's lying?

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Jack vs Fana, who do you see winning?

IT WASN'T ME

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And all I'm saying is that Noelle has no Punch or sword to use, only a goddamn lance, so it's not like Fana had any choice in the fucking matter and ask Noelle to punch her instead or impale her with a sword when she clearly can't.
It's no different from Vetto and Mereleona's cases since they had to get it with whatever melee attack their opponent had without any choice in the matter.
And you know what? Be it a punch, a sword or a lance doesn't make a difference since it doesn't do shit to her, so it's in now way a bad move.
Moreover, it's actually a much better move than getting hit with an anti-magic sword that saps your strength, so in this case Vetto is the bottom barrell not Fana.

Unless Jack can cut through recovery magic, it'll probably be a battle of attrition
I can't see him losing to Fana but I can't see how simple cutting would beat over throwing a fucking water dragon at her

Might be Jack, his magic adapts

I'm fucking stupid

Jack.
Fana has 0 combat sense, only pure power and broken magic. Furthermore, there's a chance Jack could probably fine tune his blades in the long run to cut the Phoenix flames before they can hit Fana.
>How do you even cut healing flames?
Ask Jack, not me.
But that would mean Fana would die which clearly is not what Tabata is going for. So I'm pretty certain their fight will get interrupted somehow.

Jack's cutting will cut her healing, then she'll die from the wounds Noelle gave her.

>so in this case Vetto is the bottom barrell not Fana.
You autist. Vetto needed to be taken down by the whole squad, and that was pre-reincarnation magic Vetto. Fana could've been taken down by Asta right away, he just wanted to save her.

It's a shit offensive move because you are relying on the enemy to approach.
Realistically noelle could of just ran.
What would fana do about it? Catch up? Lol

he could cut through langris's magic so he can probably cut through fana since fana seems like she's following logia DF rules right now

The wounds Noelle gave her would already be healed by the time he adapted to cutting healing. If she was to die from any wound, it would be from wounds Jack himself inflicted.
But she most likely won't, though.

Its not like he's Asta though, he's not using anti-magic so the cut off probably doesn't turn off the magic, maybe just cuts the connection for a second

>Asta could have done it alone
No, he couldn't. He couldn't approach Fana without Noelle weakening Salamander and the teleport/string mobility boost (which was completely shut down by Fana's mana alone, btw).
They also needed the whole squad to take her down pre-elf boost.

But she didn't, and she can't run now that she's immobilized.
And it's not like Fana absolutely wanted to kill Noelle, she just wanted to pass time.

>Logia DF rule
Logia DF rule is body dodge. Fana is immortal + top tier regen. Not the same shit.

She has healing + sudo intangibility right now, so regardless of if asta, jack, or whoever can actually hurt her through the intangibility, she can still just heal the injury.
the solution will probably be some sort of cage or seal, like if Noelle uses her dragon nest to trap her.

She can just break through a cage with pure power. The solution is cutting the healing magic.
Or something like a chain who can stop the user from using mana, but I don't know if a character with those abilities exist right now.

asta coulda killed her he woulda the moment he got on salamanders back and in fanas face.
It could have been over right then and there if asta didn't choose talk no jutsu

> But she didn't
I'm pretty sure that's not the point user was making. Fana could no have done anything is noelle simple turned and left.
Her only offensive option required her to take a defensive action of simply waiting for noelle to attack and hopefully get stuck in her.

>No, he couldn't.
Asta snuck up behind her despite no flight magic user. If he was serious, he could've stuck the sword in her and that was that.

Vetto could not heal wounds wrong asta.
Same probably goes for elf fana.
If asta slashed her it would be over.

>Hirofumi Arai gets arrested for sexual assault
>Tabata immediately kills off Raia
PFFFFFRT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

it doesnt seem like she can brute force her way out while regenerating, so as long as jack keeps cutting her (or something equivalent) the cage should work.

Dont forget his only phrase "Surpass your limits!" God fucking dammit it i hate him

Where is Revchi and Gueldre anyway? I thought those assholes were going to do something when they showed up and now they're doing fuckall

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You mad at how chad he is?

If Jack dices Fana to pieces and every pieces of them is kept separated from each other, will they regenerate like a planaria worm and form a lot of Fanas?

They can hide their mana to be detected, even by Mimosa.

Source?

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Irony

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>this chapter
Yuno is so boring as a character, literally zero entertainment. And he attempted to solo all 3 top villains? Why not all the elves? What a pussy.

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>He could have finished it right there
That was before she went rampage mode, during that he had no fucking way of getting close.

>That was not the user's point
I got his point the first time. And my point was that she didn't.
And she was right for not doing it. Do you to seriously think Noelle can maintain that dress long enough to run away from Fana forever?

Same as what I said above, it was before she got serious.
When she did, he couldn't do jack shit. If your point was to say that Fana was so weak Asta alone is enough to deal with her in a 1 vs 1, you're fucking wrong. But if it's to say that she is a shitty fighter with 0 battle sense, then you're totally right.

He'll come back in his 15 year old body.

>it was before she got serious.
And I've been telling you, Asta could've taken her out before she got serious.

???

Being a hybrid doesn't guarantee two magics. In different translations it just says some hybrids have two

No he couldn't. He still needed Finral's teleport (which only worked because she wasn't serious) to get there. And even then she actually saw the attack coming. If Asta stabbed her there, he'd have eaten a flame magic in the face at the dame time.

>No flight magic
He used Finral's portal.

If Lonne is actually the demon why did he use such a strange magic? I feel like this is just a side effect of wicked heart

Can't wait for JackxNoelle shippers to make these threads unbearable for the next for weeks

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I don't think that really makes sense because Nero deliberately remained on Gauche's head when the first group of mages went in. I think it was trying to make contact with Yuno or the last magic stone but then they vanished into the portal.

>Strange magic
That was Lonne's magic.
He's most likely possessed.

>hypothesis
You're in delusion.
See the festival during drinking contest. Vanessa is sleeping as well as the cat.
The battle with Lufulu, Vanessa running out of mana, the cat disappeared.

What's this expression trying to convey?

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I'm a speedreader, who is this guy again?

Even though this is a nice twist to an otherwise somewhat repetitive enemy gauntlet I'm not too happy that Bavel was off-screened before he had a chance to roll anything above a 2. I also would have liked to see a little more of Rhya now that he's at full power like Fana and Vetto but at least he already got to show off a little bit in the Anegoleon gangbang. I hope the 4 elf fights that Tabata started earlier on will at least not get off-screened, particularly Kaiser's first fight.

Gordon's more attractive emo brother

The elf we saw at Licht's table who we hadn't seen in the present. We called him shaggy and several people believed him to be a traitor who alerted the humans.

Shaggy elf

Really makes you think who his "real comrades".

Jack and Noelle do look good together.

What left is...Is Yami's whereabouts.
I bet he's dicking tsun-tsun hard right now.

We actually saw more of buffed Rhya than buffed Fana or buffed Vetto.
All we know about Buffed Fana is that she's immortal and buffed Vetto is at the bare minimum Mereleona level.

>Rhya died
So I guess this is to set up him also getting a new body, perhaps one that is more compatible with him so that his hair turns entirely back to white/grey? The other two members of the Third Eye also got the same treatment after all. I'm guessing this is so that some elves can remain in the story after this arc. The possessed humans all get their bodies back but Licht and the Third Eye have new bodies so there are no issues with that and they can become allies in the future.

Bavel was taken out by Ronne
Can't offscreen what's meant to be a twist

When Asta manifests the Anti-form he usually has the horn in a complete form with a single wing.

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Ayo hold up rhya commented that lonne isnt actually him. Where the fuck is he? What if hes actually nero. And this whole time nero has been collecting the stones to get his body back.

Thanks. So we never saw his current body before right? Only in flashback?

>Elves can use Forbidden Magic
>Forbidden Magic is tied to literal Hell
>Licht summoned the Demon God.
So the end game is for Demons to invade and to make Asta their God's host. Tabata will now explain the meaning behind the Black Clover's religion.

>All of the 3 third eye will stay
I hope so. I freacking love the 3 of them.

Sally said there was only 2 bodies.
Rhya isn't coming back anyhow because of the sexual harassment case.

>Freaking*

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Yeah I want to see more of them as well, especially Fana since she actually has a different fighting style now.

The character was still defeated off-screen so I don't see how that's different, especially when the same twist could have been executed just by having Lonne suddenly backstab Rhya like he did. I'd be with you if Bavel's defeat was used to foreshadow something weeks or months in advance but now that tension was undone in seconds.

Henry and Gordon's secret lovechild

That's unreasonable. You can't me-too a reincarnated man!

>yuno vs shaggy, patolli, and rhya
Holy shit

>The character was still defeated off-screen so I don't see how that's different
Off-screens are bad because they're fights we should've known how they went
This isn't considered one as a negative because it's supposed to be a twist, no fight
>same twist could have been executed
No? Rhya > Bavel in terms of importance
The twist is maximized because a high rank elf is taken out

Fuck me Nero is actually fake Lonne who is actually a demon

>Off-screens are bad because they're fights we should've known how they went
I'm not talking about Bavel's matchup since we didn't even see that in the first place, I'm talking about off-screening a guy that hasn't even done much yet. Not only does it mean we're not going to see what he can do at least for now but it also means it's not much of a shock since we're not very familiar with his character. You understand that finding someone like Fuego in a pool of blood would be more interesting to the readers than finding someone like Sol in one, right?
>No?
The twist is not "some guy is defeated off-screen by a new enemy" but "one of the elves has turned evil". I think there would have been more tension in Rhya confronting this new guy's weird behavior if we didn't already know that someone who's not an elf or a human was on the loose and knew what to expect. Rhya suddenly getting a hole blown right through him is much more shocking than a relatively unknown character being defeated. Maybe if Bavel had been killed in a really sketchy way like the first victim in a horror movie that sets up a mystery but he was seemingly just knocked unconscious.

>people say manga is better
>anime shows the scene with noelle's mother
>manga doesn't

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Think so too, the question now is: WHERE'S REAL SHAGGY?
Or, Nero IS real Shaggy, that lost control of his magic and turned into a demon?
What about that debt?
Argh, so many questions

You're really complaining about Bavel not doing anything in the first place? He's a side character of side characters. Your whine is essentially detrimental to the pacing.
>You understand that finding someone like Fuego in a pool of blood would be more interesting to the readers than finding someone like Sol in one, right?
Yes, which is why Rhya is better for the twist to happen than fucking Bavel.
Now I don't know what you're complaining about because you're agreeing with me.

He better is.

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>He better is.
>is
Are you so excited you can barely form coherent sentences
R u ok

>LOONE - ROONE - NELOO - NEROO
heh

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The thought of the possible doujins melted his brain.

Based and Shaggypilled.

>You're really complaining about Bavel not doing anything in the first place?
Bavel has one of the most unique magics seen so far and it deserved to get showcased.
>He's a side character of side characters.
He's as much of a side characters as the other elves, with the difference being that Tabata hasn't done anything with him. Kivn was introduced at around the same time and everyone remembers her fight because it allowed for significant development for Noelle. Bavel could have been used for the same purpose instead of just getting off-screened for no reason. There even seemed to be something being set up when he was one of the first elves and the only non-Apostle to head to the Shadow Palace, but then he just jobs in the literal sense of the term.
>Yes, which is why Rhya is better for the twist to happen than fucking Bavel.
Exactly, which is why it was pointless for Bavel to just get off-screened. He was never given a chance to do anything so no one cares when he's knocked out. If the Bavel page was skipped and the only elf to go down in this chapter was Rhya nothing would have changed. Tabata completely wasted Bavel because he felt it was necessary to foreshadow a twist that was going to happen in 10 pages. I get that you may not care about Bavel but let's not pretend this was a good way to use his character.

David is going to live after this, there's still many chances he can show his magic.

Wasn't real shaggy the elf that failed to take over Yuno?

>WHERE'S REAL SHAGGY?
Honey came in and she caught me red-handed
Creeping with the girl next door
Picture this, we were both butt naked, banging on the bathroom floor
How could I forget that I had
Given her an extra key
All this time she was standing there
She never took her eyes off me

Based.

I hope we get to see William, Yuno, Langris, David and human-Kivn fight as a team against Spade's elites.

I'm confused about the characters. Lonne is the guy who sat in Licht's table but is he also the last Apostle, even though the one shown had dark hair? That guy could also be the Ado mentioned in this chapter, but what would he be doing? Rhya said that they already already sent someone to grab Yuno when he greeted Patri before the ritual, but Ado was still there when the ritual happened so it doesn't really make sense for him to have been that guy. Did Tabata mix up the timeline or some of the designs?

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How can you grant your woman access to your villa
Trespasser and a witness while you cling to your pillow
You better watch your back before she turn into a killer
Let's review the situation that you're caught up inna
To be a true player you have to know how to play
If she say a night you convince her she say a day never admit to a word when she say and if she claims ah you tell her baby no way

*teleports behind Rhya*
Pshht, it wasn't me

THANK YOU BASED CHADSTA

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This is Ado

you've got to be fucking kidding me

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Ado was the portal user in the royal knights. With the puffy hair.
Dark hair is an apostle we haven't met.
On the map before you can see two extra elves in addition to the apostles (near the top). These are Baval and Ronne who fought offscreen.

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Oops forgot pic

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ULTRA DINDU SHAGGY EL BLANCO

Geez Patri

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What a faggot

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RIP smug Droite and cool Ecra
They were the definition of savage

>"I can feel elf magic in every single one"
>2 rooms are empty
Is Mimosa a brainlet?

Calling it now. Charmy's backstory is about her not being able to eat properly and Fenrir finding her by the wayside about to die.

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Kinda like a Romulus and Remus situation.

Is that dark stuff blood or anti-magic? If it's just blood then Rhya should be able to regenerate easily since he was there when nu-Fana got her phoenix grimoire and likely copied it like he did her previous one. The fact that Tabata brought up this debt in this chapter kind of suggests Rhya is going to get more development, but I guess he could also just get a new body later on.

You have a sharp mind user.

Holy shit this would have been so funny

Where the fuck is Yami?

Having a quickie with Charly

Soon you might have to put the debt Droite was talking about, and Lonnie saying something about a debt being repaid and most likely being the demon Licht summoned.

Thank you user.

In case people didn’t get the reference this is lyrics from ‘It wasn’t me’ by Shaggy.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qv5fqunQ_4I

>Kivn
Who

It's not exactly shounen, but Washizu mahjong arc of Akagi. And by so much it's not even necessary to check whether something else beats it. The arc stretched one night into 28 volumes (from 8 to end of series in 36), over the course of just under two decades real time.

Reminder that witches can procreate with other witches meaning it's possible that Vanessa is a dyke

Compass-chan.

yikes, what chapter did it finish on?

I’m actually surprised so many anons on here got the reference.

Proof?

My dick.

A quickie to exorcise Charla out of her ass?

There's nothing wrong with Yuno being at cap level, he's a genius.

Yes

Why is William's world tree magic important? also I'm pretty sure we saw it in ch 2, at least in the anime.

The Washizu arc as a whole lasted from chapter 57 in volume 7, to the end in chapter 306. The game of mahjong they played for one night was from chapter 70 in vol.8 to chapter 295.

>mystery child who happens to have really good base stats and is also a genius
>reincarnation of the elf chief and the FWK's sister, so he's directly related to the strongest characters in the series
>has a rare 4-leaf grimoire that presumably grants him good luck or something
>joins the strongest squad where he could probably learn a lot from his subordinates
>gets an elemental spirit
I'd be surprised if Yuno wasn't captain level to be honest. He had everything handed to him and he put in some work to boot. He's as broken as they come.

What are the chances that Yuno gets curbstomped by whoever or whatever Lonne is?

>I'm pretty sure we saw it in ch 2, at least in the anime.
He uses it to create a tree with magic broom branches for the newcomers, even in the manga.

It's probably the same thing Licht uses to move undetected by mana and ki sensing.

Thanks

To be fair we didn't see them get serious or if Yuno can keep up with them, but this chapter says he's almost there or maybe beyond.

Lonne can just teleport around using his object swap magic.

I was expecting Yuno vs Licht, so they could talk alone about some things, but... I guess this is fine too. Also, looks like we're far from knowing the mystery about Licht.

>Captain level
There's no such thing

It's a bit too early for that I think. We've still got to finish the 4 fights that were started in the recent chapters, return Charlotte and Klaus back to normal, wait for the last Apostle to appear and find out what's going on with Yami, Rades, Valtos, Nozel, Gueldre and Revchi. Then we can move on to the final fights.

Are we going to see Fuego's spirit dive in arc? Realistically he shouldn't be able to use it considering Fana never managed that and it also took Yuno a while to do it, but Fuego seems to have excellent compatibility with Salamander. Maybe that's how he'll defeat the demon that threatens the kingdom and become the next magic emperor?

It looks more like a clown face now with that expression. Maybe the demon god was always the Joker of the kingdoms

>Sylph spirit dive manifests as fairy wings and a crown
>Salamander spirit dive manifests as dragon wings and a tail
>Undine spirit dive manifests as a mermaid tail and a crown
>Gnome spirit dives manifests as a beard and alcoholism
Undine will probably be pretty cool.

Undine will have a royal scepter and a crown
So retards will get to scream YAAAASSSS KWEEEENN SLAAAAAYYY at Noelle

I really hope Noelle doesn't get Undine. There's already one elemental spirit in the main trio and Noelle already has a minor one in her wand. Give her something different. Not that she even needs anything else considering Acier was apparently magic emperor level and Noelle is imitating her, so she's already got a spot in the top tiers reserved for her. If anything spirit dive would be redundant since Noelle already has a wearable elemental clothes, unlike Yuno and Fuego.

Asta is stronger than Vetto

Physically Asta, Vetto's stronger using his enhancement magic.

You are forgetting about black mode

Not Asta's powers

You know that would actually be an interesting matchup, see how much Asta has really grown, I'd say it'd be a toughy but Asta could pull it off imo.

Can the normalfags get out of here?

fuck off new fag.

Not close, Dress Rosa in One Piece took less than a day and it took 102 chapters, I think even the 24 hours encompassing part of the Arrancar arc, the Fake Karakura Town arc and Deicide arc in Bleach is longer

I'm guessing Acier's armor was just the start of her abilities. There's probablhy loads of stuff she did that Noelle doesn't know how to do yet.
I can see an enemy having Undine and Noelle having to fight that enemy at some point.

*and might not learn how to do
My point being Noelle may not end up imitating most of her abilities, just the armor.

Here we can see Asta deflecting light beams. This is more impressive than anything Yami did in the cave because Patri said himself that Rhya is stronger than he is. Rhya has elf boost here too. Also the time Asta has to react is shortened because it's getting combined with spatial magic. This also may be a greater feat than Yuno dodging light beams because he is in base mode. In conclusion, Asta is captain tier.

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Where were you when elf was demon?

Elf arc is not very long, BC just had pretty short arcs before

>fuck off new fag.
kek, i've been here for too long kiddo
talking about mediocre subject is for the fucking dullard only such as redditards or outside here on Yea Forums

Yami is garbage and this manga would be a thousand time better without him, that's for sure.

I don't think so. Asta hasn't really powered up that much since the Vetto fight. The main difference is that he can use black mode to fly and cancel out magic easily, and his new sword can also be used to get rid of magical effects. Those make him stronger against mages because mages are squishy once you get around their tricks and defenses, but Vetto is a melee fighter. Vetto regenerated after having had half of his torso blasted to bits and got up ready to kill the Bulls almost immediately after Asta landed what he thought was a finishing blow. Asta doesn't have the destructive power to defeat Vetto. Asta doesn't even have an advantage in speed since moving through portals is faster than flying. He's also limited in how long he can stay in black mode.

Spirit dove is Yunos home grown technique.
I would like to see fuego develop something else.

>Complaining about mediocre subjects on Yea Forums
dude stop acting like a poser.
>is for the fucking dullard only such as
Learn proper English this isn't elementary school.

I don't think it would have been named spirit dive if it was unique to Sylph. If it was called fairy dive or something you might have a point.

I think if many of her siblings magic can be traced back to Acier. Perhaps prime Acier is postulated to able to invoke several offensive, utility, and restriction magic along with her defensive magic (valkyrie armor, etc).

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>Magna can barely track Vetto
jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/64/page/4
>Luck can keep pace with Vetto
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>After breaking his limits twice Luck is too fast for magna too see
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>Asta can track him and keep pace
Every time Asta hits Vetto he will get weaker and less capable to heal himself
Asta>Vetto

>The elf arc and licht will end by the Golden Dawn, which will be renewed under new management
Tabata was planning this from the very beginning

Asta literally explains how he kept up with Luck on the next page.
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Luck was being so emotional it made it easy to read, coupled with Asta's sword reacting to him. It's not really relevant though, since my point about speed was regarding Asta's ability to blitz Vetto, not to follow him. Portals are instantaneous and Vanessa's threads gave him effectively infinite maneuverability when combined with the portals. Asta's wings are not as agile. Without the ability to attack from all angles Asta wouldn't be able to land any serious hits on Vetto and smaller ones barely hold him down. Or he could just take a sword in the gut and use that opportunity to take out Asta's arms like he did last time. Asta is still lacking a special attack that's anything more than a sword swing.

Yuno continues to be one of the most boring characters in this series.

You continue to be one of the most boring characters in this series.

>Luck was being so emotional it made it easy to read
Vetto is as emotional as elf luck if not more. If he can react to him he can react to Vetto
>Without the ability to attack from all angles Asta wouldn't be able to land any serious hits on Vetto
Why not? He is physically stronger than Vetto considering black mode let him defeat spirit drive Ladros and fight equally with Spirit drive Yuno it enhances his strength and speed to a higher level than Vetto's reinforcement does
> take out Asta's arms like he did last time
When black asta slashed Ladros all his mana was cut of. If Vetto got impaled by Black Asta he wouldn't have the strength to stand.

You overestimate Ladros. He’s nothing special. Vetto would whoop his ass.

Baval is still alive so he’ll save the day with a 6 roll at the end and slay Goliath (demon).
The elf was likely super jealous if him and summoned a demon, there could be another traitor too.

Yuno is the worst character from this manga

I genuinely don't like Yuno, and I'm a huge BC fan, he's too much of a mary sue.

>implying one light is faster than light
Asta is using ki, he’s not actually fast.

So he's like an elf version of lord emperor Sekke?

Don't say that yet. You'll see just how much of a mary sue he is, when Yami on his dying monologue reveals to be Yuno's father, somehow instantly spawning a second clover on his grimoire and unlocking dark magic.

Teleporting light to an area in a faster time it would take for it to travel there by itself is kinda the purpose of teleportation.
You would need to be almost, if not as fast as light to react to light , there is a very viable argument to be made about Asta being Light Speed.

That's his character though. He's our Saitama

It would be hilarious if Tabata did that just to fuck with people subvert the theories about Asta going to train in Not-Japan after the Elves are dealt with, having Yuno go and train in his Homland while Asta does something completely different maybe Licht wasn't actually the bad guy and trains Asta to use his Swords even more efficiently.

>>implying one light is faster than light
If it's not faster it's more powerful, making it a feat of strength and speed
>Asta is using ki
Why does this matter? You have to be pretty fast swing a heavy sword to negate multiple point blank light beams.

People now jealous of asta, I wonder what he's going to do when the devil goes away.
Anti magic should have a source too.

JAPAN ARC WHEN? Also I'm gonna bet Yami is like a bastard of the shogun or someshit since peasants normally don't learn swordplay

It would actually be pretty cool if Asta and Mimosa inspect Baval's body before exorcising it and they notice that he has a die in his hand showing either a 5 or a 6 and he then brings himself back to life through the power of luck.

boy

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>Anti magic should have a source too.
I like the idea of how mana is the source of magic, magic is the source for anti-magic.Without magic, anti-magic wouldn't exist to negate it in the first place

this picture is missing the foreshadowing of every elf on the good guys

out of my mind I can remember that one where Liar invite one of the girls to drink, just like the elf flashback

>If he can react to him he can react to Vetto
Again, it's not about reacting to Vetto because Vetto is not a speedster, it's about Asta being able to blitz Vetto. Asta is not going to win a brawl, he has to be able to attack Vetto from difficult angles like what Finral and Vanessa allowed him to do. Asta couldn't even manage to blitz Droite even though the latter spent the entire match standing still.
>He is physically stronger than Vetto
Citation needed. Last time they fought Vetto managed to restrain Asta while having a sword in his gut sucking his mana. Black mode has not been shown to increase his physical strength to the point he would be able to straight up maul one of the strongest physical fighters in the series.

Just keep in mind that Vetto fought Magna, Luck, Kiato, Kahono, Noelle, Asta, Finral and Vanessa and defeated half of them. He took a water dragon to the chest, a sword through the stomach, another one slammed into his shoulder and bunch of smaller cuts, burns and lightning attacks. Even after all of that he got up and had enough power left to blow up the entire temple and would have succeeded if not for Yami taking him down with his strongest attack. If Asta couldn't even handle Lufulu or Droite 1v1 there is no way he's going to defeat Vetto 1v1.

Different user but I got to say it was stated by Tabata that Asta is the second Physically Strongest character in the series after Yami.

I'm surprised how correct the musculature is on Yami. It's like they actually looked at a model rather than drawing bulging muscles everywhere

Asta is stronger than Vetto and black mode would bring his power higher than Vettos max. Black puts anti magic powers of his sword on overdrive and every hit would significantly reduce his magic power. Ladros had one of the highest mana amount of diamond and was buffed by a spirit and one hard hit was able to deplete his mana
> would have succeeded if not for Yami taking him down with his strongest attack
Asta stopped Fana and Rhya's self destruct attacks, he would have been able to stop Vetto to but Yami wanted to look cool
>Asta couldn't even handle Lufulu or Droite 1v1
Droite was being assisted by eyehax and Asta was handicapped during his fight with Lufulu because he was fighting to save Luck while Lufulu was fighting to kill

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>Asta stopped Fana and Rhya's self destruct attacks, he would have been able to stop Vetto to but Yami wanted to look cool
He only stopped their self-destruct because Yami gave him the idea that it was possible.

>Asta and Mimosa left Rila's room and traveled to one of the rooms diagonally above them, either Rhya's or the upper right room which belongs to the unrevealed Apostle, and found Bavel there
>Rhya, Patri, Lonne and Yuno are in a previously undetectable room between mana sources 1, 2 and 3, but Lonne used to be in the same room as Bavel or at least traveled through it
>Jack arrived to help Noelle, meaning he had to have come from either Rhya's room or through the corridor that connects Fana's room to the center corridor, most likely the corridor because Mimosa claimed all rooms had an elf in them and if that was the case Jack would have ran into someone in Rhya's room
>Licht is most likely in his own room, at least judging by the massive presence there
That leaves 6 presences and we know that Jack, Yami Rades, Valtos and Nozel have entered the palace. Gueldre and Revchi are also likely in there but they are undetectable. There's 1 extra unknown but it's possible that Lonne was still wandering around back when Mimosa created the map. If not then the last one has to be either Charla or the last Apostle.

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I don't see how just by looking at Asta and Vetto's appearance that anyone would come to the conclusion that Asta is physically stronger especially when Asta is only 15 years old and Vetto is a fully grown man.

Petit Clover compilation (1-66)
youtube.com/watch?v=qWyrvK3EWW4

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Black doesn't increase his strength, vetto is ridiculously above asta due to magic reinforcement.
Asta can't win in melee against vetto yet without help.

>Asta was handicapped during his fight with Lufulu because he was fighting to save Luck while Lufulu was fighting to kill
That's not a factor because Asta didn't have to knock Lufulu unconscious or anything, he just had to touch him with his sword. If anything he had the advantage.

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Yeah it does seem like utter rubbish but the author's word is absolute. If he says that Asta is physically stronger then we just have to roll with it.

>Yuno > Magna

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I miss cute noelle, she's too sexy and beautiful now.

wot a handsome lad

He didn't know if it was possible but he was about to try
Maybe his muscles are denser and will expand as he ages
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>And MY power is overflowing
Meaning his strength was increased
I'd argue that because he was trying to save luck his subconscious put a limit in how hard he could hit

It's even worse that Leo is physically stronger than Yuno.

>16 year old Noelle
>imagine

>Yuno's elf is called Ronne
Wrong
Ronne/Lonne was the elf whos hair covered his eyes not Yuno

No hate towards Dr Stone, but this chapter is exactly what they had last week, something shocking and unexpected that presents another hurdle for the main characters. But to them it's a turning point for the series, while to us it's just another day at the office. Tabata's spoiling us too good.

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What the hell
>BLACK CLOVER MASTERED OLD SCHOOL SHONEN MAGICALLY EXPLAINED.
youtube.com/watch?v=DcMJKg3yiJA

Just a bunch of talking points stolen from 2017 leddit
>doesn't take itself too seriously
>simplistic writing style
>tabata will crack under pressure if he tries to branch out
>thinks BC is a series can't give readers something serious to ponder about

Just watched Charlotte's chapter.
Why the fuck her loli figure ain't the same as the manga? I'm disappointed.

Post it, you don't make sense.

>villain named licht

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Oh, i forgot to post the pic

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>magic guilds

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Outsourcing maybe, idk

What the fuck
Who the fuck is Lonne?
Why Rhya jobbed again?

Maybe some people get off Rhya being abused

serratus is way too defined on him but yeah the author knows his shit, maiby he is a homo of /fit/

Lonne is shaggy the elf.
Rhya was caught off guard.

Fana still hasn't used an attack spell from her grimoire or hit Noelle

I was JUST thinking of this post

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Oh I get it. Elf Ronne and demon Nero switched bodies, like Licht and Patri. The bird called "Nero" is actually Ronne.

She was about to turn Noelle into Roast Pork.

We have no way of knowing what would have happened if Jack didn't intervene

>NNERO
hmm

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After the dust settles, we'll have 2 Magic Knight Captains missing. Golden Dawn needs a new Captain, and assuming the new Magic Emperor is a promotion from Captain, one of the other squads will be missing a Captain, as well. How do you think this will pan out? Here are my thoughts:
>The King might try to make himself Magic Emperor
>If the King appoints the Magic Emperor, Yami is guaranteed not to be chosen
>If Emperor is chosen another way, Yami is a very strong contender due to Black Bull being the highest ranking squad with a Captain
>Asta will not be Captain, but could potentially become VC. Still unlikely due to a lack of time in the ranks and being an idiot
>Golden Dawn may have lost VC as well, giving lots of room for Yuno

>Asta hated by mana
HAHAH LOSER
YUNO FOR WIZARD KING

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I do want Yuno to be WK because I want Asta to be King through marriage with Noelle/Mimosa.

Why would Noelle be Queen? Are you hoping for her older siblings to die?

Yuno will be captain because they love to jerk him off about how great he is, mark my words

They could always refuse the position.

Augustus will be redeemed after this arc.
Fuego will be WK.
Yuno will be GD captain, Langris will be demoted.
William will either be imprisoned or doing community service.
The elfed people will be on probation or surveillance.
Bulls will be getting respect, Asta for VC or Senior Magic Knight.
The next arc is Diamond, Asta can't afford to be hung up by rebuilding efforts and bureaucracy to go there.

Which human did Ronne possess?

Read Hungry Joker.

Does this count?

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>Entire Clover kingdom gets sick of Augustuses shit because he did nothing in elf invasion
>Fuego becomes true king
>Asta promoted to VC or starts his own squad
>Yuno becomes captain

still not an attack spell

who knows.

Can't wait for this head canon to get shit on within the next 2 weeks.

But what if it doesn't.
what if all she does is shoot balls and fire and heat shit up?

Lonne is going to turn into a demon and break out of hell, so whoever is given credit for killing him will become WK
And since the demons are going to get purged there will be some leftover friendly elves (fans vetto licht ect) so Licht will probably be the one to stop Lonne, turn down being WK and take the leftover elves/GD and become good guys.
WK probably won’t be set until much later (after a miniarc or small time skip)

Same.

They absolutely will need a WK or a defacto one.

Even if she has an attack spell somewhere in her grimoire it would be as shit as mimosa's

>Moving the goal posts
>Still useless headcanon conjecture anyways

I have no idea what's going anymore. This isn't supposed to happen.

So when did some anons here becomes so offended by the term "healer mage" They exist.
I seriously 2 weeks ago I would have never seen anyone have an issue with calling mimosa a healer mage.

I love how Asta immediately says OK and goes ahead when a secondary character tells him to, where other Shonen MCs anguish over the potential death of the characters in question like they're the only person capable of winning a fight in their universe

Your post is the only mention of it in this thread so I don't know what you're talking about. Haven't seen it.

Asta doesn't use physical enhancement magic.
Vetto does. So however stronger than Vetto he is, it doesn't mean shit when Vetto's strength is multiplied by 10.
And Vetto's magic not only enhances his physical strength but it also enhances his reflexes. The reason why the trio got the better of him in the seabed fight was because he let himself stabbed by Asta and that fucked up his reinforcement magic which not only made him weaker but screwed up his reaction time.

The evil royals have to come into play somehow, either they are immortal now or their descendants are around.
They are the ones who killed the monsters and beat down charmy's wolf.
Also angels will help the humans since they need powerups if they want to stay relevant.

So are you saying this whole stupid argument in the last like 9 threads About fana being healer mage or not is just my imagination?

>Comparing Mimosa to Fana
Imagine being this retarded.

Asta did the very same thing earlier this arc. In this case I think it's because he's more worried about the others spread around the dungeon, whereas last time he was giving others a chance to escape.

no conjecture here. Offensive mages have shit support spells and Support mages like Fana have shit offensive spells, if any. There are exceptions but Fana isn't one.

Asta also pretty much left Rill to die. Charmy can beat up Rill, but she can't de-elf him

These threads are complete bullshit, but at some point the arguments get too stupid for me to bother reading them. I guess this is one of those.

Meant for:

He knows that staying in the fight would only endanger his future wife's life so he had to go ahead

She can knock him the fuck out though

>Support mages like Fana have shit offensive spells.
And yet Noelle is a Support maged and look at her offense against Fana.

I think it's more about the fact that he actually trusts and he people who tell him to because of his unique position as an MC who kinda has "no power" and spends the entire manga relying heavily on his team.
In any case it's very refreshing

Some retard is just triggered each time someone says Fana isn't an offensive mage or has no offensive magic. At this point I'm sure everyone's just baiting him for replies because he's so autistic about it.

Noelle only has 1 or 2 support spells.

Some stupid /nu/fana fags seem to think being a healer mage=lose when in fact the only reason fana is winning is because her healing capability is elder God tier.

The "healer mage" part isn't the problem. The problem is how it was used in an argument to prove that Fana can't beat Noelle.
When you're a "healing mage", you apparently have shit offensive capabilities. And there absolutely can't be exceptions to that rule, apparently.
It entirely boiled down to Fana having no offensive magic. Among their arguments :
>Fana does't have salamander anymore
>No crystal or wind magic anymore
>She didn't use a named fire spells during the forest fight
>Random fireballs and projectiles don't count (even if those are named spells for characters like Magna). If it's not named, it can't be a spell.
>etc.
So all in all Fana can only use "her fire mana bullets" to attack, without using an offensive spell. And apparently anyone can do that even healing mages like Mimosa or support like Vanessa because it's a game mechanic in a canon BC game.

Noelle has only 1 offensive spell.
Valkyrie dress is support.

It's not one person and the people saying Fana has no offense actually believe it. It's just head canon.

And what spells did she learn first? Yes they were support spells. She’s a support mage first and foremost.

Reminder that when Fana was still possessing Human Fana's body, the only offensive spells she had were either from the Salamander or Mars' rotating crystal blades.

Then he would wake up just like Vetto did and go into kamikaze mode

More like some retard gets triggered whenever someone says Fana has offense capabilities.

The healing mage thing is just a shitpost, stop falling for it.

Support mage is not an actual category.
healer is

Valkyrie dress is defensive.

She's clearly transitioning to offense after this arc. Yuno has several support spells but nobody here calls him a support mage.

user, I was there when this shit blew up. Stop getting triggered by every little thing you don't agree with.

What if she restrained him inside her cotton?

Noelle is one of those all rounder exceptions. Self buff does not mean support. If Fana had good fire spells she wouldn't have relied on salamander for all offence and mars would have used them too

Yes Support IS a category.

I don't think that being restrained can stop the wicked heart from kamikaze mode

>hopeless, untalented beginner who can't control any of her magic has to rely on support spells at the start of her career
>Well, that's it! She must be a support mage forever!
My socks are knocked off by how almost none of the arguments in this thread follow from any evidence. Just "Oh, that sounds right. I'll say it as if it's fact."

Support magic is not an actual category of magic.
Healing magic is.
Trap magic is
Creation magic is
And a few other I'm forgetting
But there is no such thing as support magic.
The magic can be used to support.
But there is no category for support spell.

>Valkyrie dress is defensive.
Defensive is support. Healing is also support. Buffing is also support. So that's a support spell and she is 90% a support mage. Her only offensive spell is the Dragon Roar.

There are Four categories.
Fighter
Shooter
Support
Healer
Anything else is your headcannon

>You're triggered.
>No, you're triggered.
>No, you're triggered
Just shut the fuck up. You are truly dumb as fuck if you think Fana won't be able to fight Jack. Unbelievably stupid. You fucking idiot.

Noelle only learned creation spells and this remains true.
Every single spell she has is creation magic.

> first and foremost

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>Has 1 offense spell
>The rest are Support
>S-she’s not a Support mage
Imagine being this much of a fuckin moron.

But he didn't trust Mereoleona before. What's changed in your mind?

>QK
lol

>S-something official doesn’t count but my headcanon does!
Sure thing user.

Noelle is a creation mage all her spells fall into creation magic category.

You cannot call Valkyrie dress support because it only affects the caster

>Sea Dragon's Roar is offense
>Valkyrie Dress is augmentative and offense (due to lance)
>Nest of SD is support
>Cradle of SD support
>Unnamed generic water blast is offense

> he thinks creation magic trap magic and healinga given are head canon
Lol

Supporting a single unit even if it's only yourself is still support.

>>Unnamed generic water blast is offense
So unnamed count as a spell now?
>Valkyrie Dress is augmentative and offense (due to lance)
And offense? If it buffs, it buffs be it an increased offense, defense or speed. If you're forcing it in the offense because of the lance, then it should also be defense because of the armor and shield.

The categories of creation, healing, and trap come from the manga.
I don't understand why anyone would consider QK canon. Basically every series I can think of would be internally fucked if you consider its video games canon. There are always concessions being made for the mechanics.

>Game mechanics
>Something official that should be taken as canon

It's a spell. She used it. Count it, don't count it, I don't really care. Valkyrie dress is the sticking point. You can't say it's not offensive when there is a purely offensive element to it. Part of the purpose of the spell is to literally create a weapon.

These are all the magic categories.

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>Wikia
user...

Is it wrong? I believe that this information is from the statistics book.

Then how fucking come doesn't Fana have any offensive fire spell because they aren't named if Noelle can have one even if it isn't named?

>You can't say it's not offensive when there is a purely offensive element to it.
It also has an agility boost, and more defense boost than offensive boost. So it is a all around buff spell not an offensive spell. An offensive spell would be something that's meant to attack. Not a set of armor, shield, wings and a lance.

I'm not one of the people saying Fana can't use offensive magic. Like I said, I don't care if nameless elemental blasts get counted or not.

an* all around

Why would it have to be one or the other? Why not both? It's stupid to pretend it doesn't do both at once.

A spell that Equipps Magic armour isn’t an offensive spell.

Noelle is an exception, those unnamed water balls are stronger than anything Fana has. Don't compare her to healsluts.

>lance
>armor

>those unnamed water balls are stronger than anything Fana has.
Nice headcanon.

Then we have no business with you. The point of this discussion is to prove the guys who are dissing Fana wrong, not put Noelle on a trial.

>Why not both?
>Both
Read my post again :
> If you're forcing it in the offense because of the lance, then it should also be defense because of the armor and shield.
What I'm saying is that it's an overall buff in all stats not just offense, which doesn't make it something purely offensive, unlike the dragon roar. So it's not an "offensive spell". It's an all around buff.

Is her spell of just equipping her armour doing any damage to her opponents? The answer is no and therefore it’s not an offensive spell.

>Stronger than anything Fana has
And where are your proofs?

Now that we've reached the bump limit, I thought I would summarize the thread for everyone.

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The proof is that Noelle has been proven to have high attack power and Fana has never hurt anyone with her own power

QK and it's mechanics are canon

By that logic, almost none of the offensive magic in the manga would be offensive magic. I'll make two examples and you can come up with more if you feel it's necessary.
>Magic cannon flower isn't offensive because it doesn't do damage until Mimosa makes it fire
>Violent rotating lance isn't offensive because Klaus has to send it off first as well

Fana hasn't used a on screen named fire spell yet so we don't know.

Now you’re grasping at straws here. Her outfit is a buff spell, it ups her parameters for a duration. It’s no different then using a spell in a RPG that increases your atk and def by 50% for 30 seconds. Does Mimosa or Klaus’ spells improve any parameters? No, they are spells with their only purpose being to attack their opponent.

>triggered
Sheesh, proving me right.

>Fana hasn't used a on screen named fire spell yet
What does this suggest?

>Noelle has been proven to have high attack power
The unnamed generic water blast spell you're talking about never hurt anyone ever. Magna can tank it off guard, without a defensive spell and resulting with no wound whatsoever.
>Fana has never hurt anyone with her own power
Fana sent Rhya flying though several building and that was without a fucking grimoire.
With one, her unnamed fire attacks are strong enough for Noelle to consider dodging or wishing she had anti-magic.
So what did you say about Fana's offense again?

Nu-Vetto hasn't used a named beast magic spell yet either.
What does that suggest?

It's not support user. Or else there would be no defensive classes in rpgs because the only categories according to your logic would be offensive and support.

That Nu-Vetto hasn't gone serious yet and Fana has never demonstrated a named offensive spell that wasn't Salamander or Mars' spell her whole BC tenure.

It creates a weapon. Like almost all offensive creation magic. Stop avoiding the fact. Does valkyrie dress create a weapon or not? It's yes or no.

Trying to get people to double down on the stupid claim that Fana can't use offensive magic for when we see her using it against Jack.

No, no its not, stop with the headcanon.
Apt.

I played FF tactics games, most FF games and there is no such thing as "defensive class" in that. It's all named jobs. And it's either killing your opponent/their team or helping yourself/your team. So yeah, that's pretty much it.
You conception of "support" might be buffs, I don't know.

Here's a devil's advocate: what if Fana never uses one? What now? Are the future tantrums coming from your ass going to be worth it? Because all this started from some nigger saying Fana has no offensive magic and you going off the deep end for how many threads now.

Black Clover is not FF Tactics.

Elf Fana hasn't gone serious yet, and that Nu-Vetto hasn't demonstrated a single name beast magic offensive spell at all.

>The unnamed generic water blast spell you're talking about never hurt anyone ever. Magna can tank it off guard, without a defensive spell and resulting with no wound whatsoever.
She wasn't serious. When she was shown training later you can see those balls created large craters and other destruction to the environment
>Using comic relief as an example
Fana fags are getting desperate kek
>Whataboutism
Vetto mostly uses unamed reinforcement spells

new thread

Again, it's not one person. I've barely contributed. Just tired of a ridiculous argument with no evidence behind it.
Whether I'm right or wrong, I'll find something else to curse at people over in the coming chapters. And if I turn out to be right, I will make fun of them.

>Talk about RPG logic
>Well no, FF doesn't count because it's not BC
And Tabata never mentioned your defensive vs support classification in any databook or any panel in the manga.

>Elf Fana hasn't gone serious yet
So according to you
She wasn't serious vs Nozel
She wasn't serious vs Asta and Mars
Now she's not serious vs Noelle
ok

I don't care about your boner for Fana or the other user's hate boner for Fana but, the whole "Getting Serious" argument got old back when faggots tried using it in Yuno's fight against Rill during the tourney.

>She wasn't serious. When she was shown training later you can see those balls created large craters and other destruction to the environment
Still never hurt anyone.
>Vetto mostly uses unamed reinforcement spells
And?

Obviously she wouldn't use her solo magic when she had Salamander with her. She had no reason not to utilize Salamander.

Both sides have no evidence. If you just left it alone, this wouldn't have blown up.

It's implied, kaiser is the strongest shield so he's obviously a defensive mage specializing in barriers.

I'm not him.
Tabata has mentioned defensive mages in the series though.

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Moving goalpost?
I'm obviously only referring to this fight with Noelle, because you know, it's the one fight where the whole she's "doesn't have any offensive" spell means shit, because otherwise a serious Fana would always use Salamander as much as she could which she fucking did.

It's up to the people claiming a mage cannot use offensive magic to come up with evidence. It's an assumption pulled out of thin air.

>the whole "Getting Serious" argument got old
Then why do you respond to me and not the guy I was parodying?

Read my comment again, it's "Defensive VS support". Did Fuego explain that defense isn't' the same as support?

Bad argument. What part of not using solo magic because she has Salamander is even believable, when she resorted to using Mars' offensive crystal spells that didn't matter much?

>Hate boner
I actually think Fana is pretty cute but im just looking at things objectively
>Still never hurt anyone
Because she wasn't serious. She has grown since then as well
>And?
And Vetto not using named spells means nothing

It means everything. She could've dispatched Noelle already with her superior mana.

In this case, the ball is in your court. There's plenty of evidence Fana hasn't used a single non-Salamander offensive spell. Again, not my fight, just stating facts. I could give less of a shit who wins this retarded debate.

Does someone have to explain 1+1=2?
Support can have defense or healing like melee does but is not their main thing.

>And Vetto not using named spells means nothing
So why does Fana not using named spells means anything?

Explain to me why compass girl didn't dispatch Noelle with her Superior mana, then.

>Did Fuego explain that defense isn't' the same as support?
Did Fuego say that defense is the same as support?

And when did Tabata explain that in the manga?

Fana not using a single offensive name non-salamander spell doesn't mean in anyway that she doesn't have ones in her old or current grimoire. It just means she never used a named them on screen, those are the facts.
Her not having ones aren't facts, it's conjecture.

>Explain to me why compass girl didn't dispatch Noelle with her Superior mana, then.
Easy. Noelle was fighting with Nozel beforehand. Kivun was on the back foot after she released herself from the flooded room. Her offensive spell, Useless North, would've skewered Noelle had Noelle's Valkyrie Dress not struck her first because her defensive spell, Willful Compass, didn't work.
Now Fana on the other hand...hasn't used a single offensive spell in her fight vs Noelle.

The reason I'm so confident is because Tabata has already set up the fight between Jack and Fana, which would never happen if she couldn't go on offense. No matter how much weak evidence someone comes up with, it's almost guaranteed she'll go on offense because Tabata has set the stage. There's not plenty of evidence. There's almost none.

That's the point, he said nothing. So it's just based on our interpretation and not something in the manga, so why are you guy talking like Defensive =/= support is a canon BC thing?

>It just means she never used a named them on screen, those are the facts.
No, that's an assumption. Learn to differentiate facts from assumptions, because your behavior is what sparked this shit in the first place.

The problem with Fana is that she can't be cut since she just regenerates everything due to the ancient magic she wields. Well, what about a captain whose magic adapts automatically to the opponent? That's what Tabata's going for.

>Her offensive spell, Useless North, would've skewered Noelle had Noelle's Valkyrie Dress not struck her first because her defensive spell, Willful Compass, didn't work.
>had Noelle's Valkyrie Dress not struck her first
Which means she didn't thanks to her Valkyrie Dress during their solo fight, doesn't it?
But Now she has her dress against Fana. So if compass girl couldn't crush Noelle with her superior mana with her dress on, why doesn't the same logic apply with Fana?

Vetto specialises in reinforcement therefore he is a reinforcement specialist. He doesn't need to name every strike same way Asta doesn't
Fana's most impressive magic is healing, she relied on Salamander for all offence, she hasn't used a named attack spell to date and mars didn't use any fire attack spell. Therefore she is a HEALING mage with SHIT firepower

Fuego would've said Kingdom's strongest support mage instead of shield then.

>why doesn't the same logic apply with Fana?
Because Fana has no offensive spells. We don't know if Useless North could have worked vs Valkyrie Dress because Noelle struck first.

>Fana never used a named spell* on screen
Corrected a obvious as fuck mistake there.
But how is that an assumption? Are you saying that she actually used a named offensive fire spell now after claiming for centuries that she never did? Where?

Every elf has higher Mana than Jack but he managed to take out a few

>But how is that an assumption?
Well nobody on your side of the fence can show that Fana can use a single offensive spell by herself. The arguments should've stopped there.
When you try and raise up "centuries" it's an assumption, because anything that's not shown on "screen" is up for debate.

>Vetto specialises in reinforcement therefore he is a reinforcement specialist.
But what makes you think he used any reinforcement magic in her fight against Mereleona in the first place if she didn't name any?
>mars didn't use any fire attack spell
Mars takes his magic from human Fana before Fana even reincarnated in her, it doesn't mean anything.

>No offensive spells
Then what are those fireballs and that blast she was about to use against Noelle? Healing spells?

How is an official release headcanon? Denying a canon official release is some seriously autistic headcanon

I said that she has never used an offensive name spell on screen. My statement is as neutral as it can be, I didn't say she has ones, nor I said she didn't. I just said she never used any on screen.
So that is not an assumption that's a fucking fact.

The ones who are saying that she doesn't have offensive spell are making assumptions themselves. Why? Because if she suddenly does next chapter then it means you guys where wrong this whole time.
And because that possibility exists, it means it is a theory, a eventuality, an assumption and not a hard fact.

>I said that she has never used an offensive named spell on screen. My statement is as neutral as it can be. I didn't say she has ones, nor I said she didn't. I just said she never used any on screen.
So, that is not an assumption, that's a fucking fact.

>The ones who are saying that she doesn't have offensive spells are making assumptions themselves. Why? Because if she suddenly does next chapter then it means you guys were wrong this whole time.
And because that possibility exists, it means it is a theory, an eventuality, an assumption and certainly not a hard fact.
Proofreading attempt, because fuck me I should have done this before clicking "post".

Ok brainlet tell me, are the Legacy of Goku Games canon to Dragon Ball Z, its an Official Release.
Going by your logic Cooler, Broly Second Coming and Fusion Reborn all take place in the canon of Z, do you see how retarded you sound.

Dragon Ball isn't Black Clover, keep reaching

If human Fana had no good attack spells Elf Fana almost certainly doen't

doesn't

I kind of wanted to see what the plan would have been that involved tethering Mimosa to his back.

Does William use light magic?
Did Human Fana have salamander?
Did luck have full body lightning coat?
Then why do you assume elf Fana can't have spells of her own.

>Muh games are canon when I say so but all other games aren't canon
dude you are the biggest sperg I've seen all day, and the two spergs who are arguing about Fana are still arguing, your retardation is palpable.

>muh drawing from other franchises and thinking it parallels what is happening in this franchise
Just accept that QK is canon user

>William
Exception 95% of elves have had simular spells to their reincarnation
>Salamander
Because Salamander had no idea Fana reincarnated and likely had to be found again
>Luck
Upgraded version of a spell he already had