Woman getting beaten to death in the midst of a crowd

>woman
I don't know what else you expected

Or he just thought it sounded cool. A lot of serial killers are just edge lords who pretend to be more psychopathic and villainous than they actually are. Hoping for more media attention and maybe a movie adaption so their pathetic lives aren't completely worthless.

I don’t know user. That’s a pretty deep quote

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

He most likely was the bully himself and got away with it with no problems.

This guy gets it.
Anyone who browses clips on Liveleak knows!

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Japs are in the love with the concnept of a completely apathetic crowd, and I have no idea why.

This concept is EXTREMELY common in anime if once you see it once. GantZ is by far the worst offender, Boogiepop and Shield Hero have it this season as well

Anime is commonly associated with escapism, which means that the people who consume it and later go on to create it have had lives that required escapism. Part of the reason why that is is because nobody cared to help them. I think that's why people in the industry are hyper-aware of apathy of society at large.

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I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt. Cold blooded killers are literally subhuman.

I heard something like this happened to nitro+ employee.

The Sibyl System has taught the Japanese citizenry that it is impossible for a violent, passionate crime to be committed before authorities can react. At the very least, a sudden impulsive attack on another person would set off an alarm in the district immediately. Because the actions of the killer are not calling upon a response from the Sibyl System, they assume it must not be real, and is just an act or performance of some kind. After all, nobody knows that the helmet he is wearing can conceal his Psycho-Pass.

It's the same logic for why he was able to kill the two pharmacists at the drug clinic. The doors have no security because it is assumed that it's impossible for a person to pass through the gate without setting off the alarm if they intend to perform an illegal act. If he is able to walk through the gate, and if he is able to beat a woman in public, he must be a citizen with an acceptable psycho-pass, and therefore not a criminal.

After all, killing a person isn't illegal. Having a high psycho-pass is illegal.

It's a more conformist anti-individualist tradition. Stemming from Confucianism and a strong caste system.

Found it:
kotaku.com/random-stabbing-brings-tragedy-to-the-japanese-game-ind-5917290

Reacting with self-defense would kill their score.
The score is really about propensity to aggression (which includes self-defense). A good slave is supposed to die unless ordered to do something by the authority.

The weird thing is that it's reality in some eurocuck countries.
In 2016, in Denmark a 17 year old girl used pepper spray to not be raped. She was charged for possession and use of a illegal weapon.
The would-be rapist escaped.
rt.com/news/330264-denmark-girl-rapist-fine/

>I have no idea why
Probably because it actually happens.

>implying Jesus aren't Asian

Because ASIAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY BEHAVE LIKE THIS. Like seriously you have probably hundreds of series that depict variations of this kind of thing happening casually and where do you people think the concept spawns from? Space?

what would an American do in this situation

Shoot everyone, obviously.

Then clap.

Bystander effect, same as in the show

>First episode has main characters about to kill a rape victim for being raped

It's like some creepy incel's wet dream

>guys guys what is an establishing scene guys i don't understand
>can anyone explain?

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>act or performance of some kind
This is what I thought too when I watched this.

OP is such a dumdum

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>implying he's wrong

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Implying you're not samefagging.

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also, why does kogami shirtless so much?

The story of Kitty Genovese has stuck with us, in no small part because it even ended up in textbooks, but the initial news story was incorrect, and has long since been shown to be full of inaccuracies. You can read about how it really went down easily nowadays, but most people don't bother to do so.

Obviously not every American would jump into a potentially deadly physical altercation, but there's been enough evidence that many will in fact put their lives on the line for complete strangers. Where with Chinese/Japs standing by idly and watching bad shit happen is almost a pastime at this point. And if you won't believe the people that live there who depict this stuff constantly who will you believe?

Fanservice

You might as well ask yourself why ever Sylvester Stallone movie has a shirtless scene

>Bystanderism is only a thing in the east I swear
Every time

Because he perceiiiiiiives
He can strip at all times for your sake
Should this instant be for him

Google the smoke filled room study

Human life isn't precious, the only subhumans are pedos that actually touch kids

Sounds like real life to me.

You kinda get it living in a city. Kinda get numb to stuff that may happen outside your little shoebox, and don't want to get involved.

> he perceiiiiiiives
lmao

>After all, killing a person isn't illegal. Having a high psycho-pass is illegal.
That society is literally retarded and completely breaks immersion.

This is important.

The Sybil system has artificially bred out aggressive or impulsive personalities that would immediately respond to a threat.

Anyone who would have the balls to engage the armed, non-registering criminal has long since been incarcerated as a threat to society.

What are you smoking? The fuck does one have to do with the other?

>but there's been enough evidence that many will in fact put their lives on the line for complete strangers

They're almost always soldiers/national guard, off duty cops, or right wing gun nuts STAND YER GROUND types, aka the violent sort. 99% of normal civilians wouldn't lift a finger

I never said Americans were immune to being drones, what I was implying with my post was that east asians take it to a whole new level.

I'm going to say out of ten, six would call police, two would ignore or watch, one would attempt to extract the victim from the attack and one would attack the criminal.

Better odds than in Asian countries, where two could call, one would interpose and everyone else would ignore it.

Bad news is that odds are pretty good if you're in a place where someone's going to just sit there and watch, everyone's going to sit there and watch.

I agree with this user, maybe I've watched too many liveleak videos but the kind of shit asians are able to just shrug off is frightening.

You are so retarded, just stop posting

And I'm pointing out you're being a dumbass. This is a documented thing that occurs in both the east and the west. Depictions such as these are not even unique to the east, get your head out of your ass and look around you.

I'm sure you'd want some of those "violent sorts" attempting to save your daughter if she was being assaulted.

Then you're smoking dope or never stepped outside your room and didn't talk to anyone in college. Maybe 3 or 4 out of a crowd of 50 might do something, and usually because they're friends, paid security, or otherwise involved already. Everyone circles and watches and even encourages the violence

Yea I do, I don't think violence is a bad thing and it's good to have some of them in our society but having met and talked to plenty of them they clearly are of a different breed than the plain people like most of us

The irony. You probably don't believe in their suicide rates or the rampant bullying either huh? Keep your eyes closed and enjoy your anime fag.

>violent sort.
Yeah, "the violent sort" are the people that stop killers.

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cry more north americans haha

Did you miss the last part?

The temperment of bystanders is not an even distribution. If you go to the local Biker bar and start beating up a woman, you and your teeth are likely to leave the building at differing times.

If you attack someone on the college green, Half are going to run and half are going to watch.

That's the point, the Sybil system is a conceptually retarded but practically efficient way of managing ethics and law enforcement. People are by and large rarted so Sybil says "okay dipshits, literally the only thing you have to be responsible for is doing exactly what we tell you and nothing else".

Sure I do believe both. These are once again not things that are exclusive to japan. You can only dick suck your country so hard before it comes off as simply being ignorant of having the exact same flaws.

Nah dudebros would kick your teeth in, there are very few places in America you could beat a woman/child in public and not get fucked up.

>Violent sort

That's an interesting way of saying socially responsible and empathetic.

Imagine calling someone who puts your wellbeing and safety above their own "violent".

Well how would you react if something you have been told your entire life cannot happen would start happening right in front of you?

Imagine thinking radically different groups will behave the same in every way. Seriously dude, go outside.

Where I live a crowd murdered and bisected a man who was beating on a woman. That was the 70s though and the man was black and the woman white. So, there's that I guess. I only know about it because my late grandfather was part of the crowd.

all you retarted newfags debating but ain't posting no sources. you guys are worse than a Facebook comment section. they maybe insufferable faggots but at least they'll be able to sort this whack ass debate you are all having. protip based on 2018 FBI crime statistics one of you fags are close.

Imagine thinking that humans arent still humans at their base. They're not aliens dude. You can see behaviours of other cultures in many others, nevermind immigration made countries like half of the west which are literally a mix.

Statistically something like this is very unlikely to happen in east asia relative to the US when normalized for population.

Well it really depends on the circumstances but it's highly unlikely that everyone would just ignore it completely. We have good samaritan laws here, for instance, so jumping in to kick an assailant's ass is legally protected.

>we're all humans bro lol
Fucking retard

Good samaritan law isnt for kicking peoples asses dumbass its for helping in medical emergencies

Animals are not social the same way Humans are social.

You define yourself as inside of packs larger and more estoteric than your monkey brain could ever comprehend, and exist in structures that your systems are incapable of processing.

A mother will always protect her child: That is instinct and biological imperative.

Once you get outside of your monkeysphere; social reactions must be handled in the abstract; which is why China accidentally incentivized turning hit and runs into murders, and in the US, the population believes they're stuck in a crime wave when it's the calmest it has been for decades.

I'll bet you havent taken a lick of psych with this dumbass attitude of thinking everyone is radically different to each other.

Most self defense laws operate in the way that he describes however: You are allowed to defend another's life with lethal force if a reasonable person could come to the conclusion that the other is in mortal danger.

Not strictly speaking, no. It just protects people who attempt to provide aid from being punished for their efforts.

T. Dumb faggot that took a year of psychology at his community college. People are shaped by their surroundings you brainlet

>forms a mob
>lynches that guy leddit thought was the Boston Bomber

but we thought we were helping

And yet when people conduct studies to ascertain the difference between people in different cultures they are usually statisically insignifigant. The range of differences between people within one culture and differences outside that culture are often tiny. People are still by and large just people. You will find violent asians and you will find bystander americans. One culture might glorify or ahbor one behavior over the other and yet at the end of the day you will still have the in and out group variance be very similar. This is textbook stuff they teach you on day 1 in cultural psychology so as to not mistake the differences that are discussed within the class as being some wildly crazy phenomena that only one group does or doesnt do.

That's so off topic it doesn't even qualify as a strawman

And I'm betting you're not that sharp on the Cultural Anth angle.

You're not going to get the same results out of a high-context, low-individuality society such as Japan compared to a low-context, high-individuality society like western nations.

When you've got a human alone, they're mostly going to act like the monkey they came from, just a bit clever. The moment you've got more than three however, you can't draw the same conclusions.

Hell, that's the whole problem with the bystander effect: If you need help from a crowd, the best way to get it is to select an individual and address him separately from the group: Again, breaking the communal-individual behavioral barrier.

bingo, this already happens IRL OP

And yet that communal bystander "act how everyone else is acting" confirmity is something that happens plenty in both the west and the east is the point. Look at the asche experiments, people dont generally want to stand out, even in the individualist countries if everyone says C and you think its B you'll often just go with the crowd and keep your head down. It was a what, 80 some percent conformity rate? Its hardly unique to asia.

The point is that thinking that you're helping doesn't mean that you're actually helping

sybil is designed to take the responsibility for helping out of the hands of idiot wannabe vigilante heroes - what if it actually had been performance art and the crowd beat some actor to death bc the art was too edgy for them?

Based

>The point is that thinking that you're helping doesn't mean that you're actually helping
If you're using common sense, the courts will side with you. Of course forming a lynch mob isn't going to be a protected activity, nobody would say it is. But if you jump into the river to save a drowning man, he can't sue you because he hit his head on some rocks while you were pulling him out of the water or because you cracked his ribs performing CPR.

Lynching is not the same thing, but also a very interesting phenomenon. I recently watched a video where some afgans lynched a woman because she was (wrongly) accused of burining a Quran. They beat her, then the police arrived and tried to rescue her, but the mob (they dispersed it by firing in the air) coalesced and blocked her escape route and eventually beat her to death. They then placed her in the path of a car, dumped her body in a river bed (not in a river itself, it was dry) and set her corpse (hopefully) aflame. Everyone including the victim were chanting Allah Akbar throughout the entire thing.

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youtube.com/watch?v=IvqASJElEh0&t=24s

You see the same thing with experiments of "parents" out with their screaming child. The kid can scream bloody murder and almost everyone will ignore it no matter what the kid is yelling until they change the condition to the kid yelling "you're not my dad" to snap people out of ignoring them, and even then you often see it take a little while in the videos for people to step in.

I don't know where you're getting that idea, since it's simply wrong.

Take the average businessman from the US, UK, Japan, China and the UAE in the same industry and at the same level and you'll find they have very different responses to the same stimuli.

The idea that all humans will react negatively to fire is reasonable. All I have to do is offer a bribe in that average room to immediately show off significant cultural and moral differences in these supposedly fungible people.

The distinction is the tolerance between different cultures.

In an individualistic society; the trigger point is much lower, and there will be a greater percentage of people who will hold to their dissenting opinion. It's significant enough that Western businessmen are hired to consult in Eastern business explicitly because they are willing to contradict their superior in serious enough matters.

You're so fucking retarded you don't realize the citation you provided says this didn't happen.

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>I dont know where you're getting that idea since its just wrong
Same to you my man. Stereotypes are just convenient boxes for your brain to sort people into. They're not as correct or accurate as you would like to think they are, they simply reduce the load on your brain.

>It's significant enough that Western businessmen are hired to consult in Eastern business explicitly because they are willing to contradict their superior in serious enough matters.
Has nothing to do with cultural differences and everything to do with how much you expect to be fired for doing such a thing. People dont hire americans because "everyone else only says yes because they're japanese" but rather "everyone says yes because people who dont say yes, except this american I hired specifically to not say yes, I fire"

>it's a "culture makes a huge difference to how people act in high-stress situations and japanese people are aliens" episode

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Sure, which is a different case than what other people ITT are saying: that you can beat someone you think is a mugger unconscious with a pipe and claim protection under Good Samaritan laws

>yes

maybe

I'm not sure if I'm getting through: Let's start with a bombshell.

Profiling works. You can improve your hits by targeting traits that correlate with your target.

This is because behaviors correlate with traits. The fact that they don't cause these behaviors is important because of the ethics of profiling, but it does not directly impact the effectiveness of pre-selection by the associated traits.

That's frankly not true: They're culturally incapable of standing up to their superiors, just as they're culturally incapable of accepting their inferior's criticism.

Otherwise, we'd have quite a few more unemployed salarymen.

Another user made that mistake: Good Samaritan laws are about not being punished for making reasonable mistakes.

If you crack someone's ribs performing medically unnecessary CPR on an unresponsive person you believe was not breathing, they cannot sue you for the damage unless you had the necessary training to know that your intervention was unnecessary.

If you attack an actor that you believe was going to kill a victim, your defense is "Self-Defense" by proxy: You assess that the victim is in mortal peril and engage his assailant in his stead.

Literally only weebs way too infatuated with Japan's media will attempt to argue with what this user is saying. Like for real, we are comparing wildly different groups subjected to different environmental pressures, and you tards think they'll act nearly the same in every context? Go take a goddamn biology class.

Going off this, "self defense" is what's known as an affirmative defense, meaning that it shifts the burden of proof from the prosecutor onto the defendant, which can potentially be a losing move if you don't have an airtight case. If there's any uncertainty at all over what's occurring and who started the confrontation you'd be stepping in to intervene, you're opening yourself up to the possibility of more trouble by getting involved in favor of one party.

>thats not true
Bzzzt. Wrong again. You have no idea what you're talking about and I suspect have never even met a japanese person. They are not aliens and are not fundamentally different people. You are measuring behaviors in different environments and expecting the same behaviours like a moron. Much like how when you place a person in a room of people answering B instead of C, you wont get the same answer as when you place them in a room alone. You are fundamentally attributing people who react to their environments (workplaces where they will be fired if they speak up) as a behaviour (japanese people are unable to speak up). Fact of the matter is though that those who move to japan quickly conform to these same enviromental factors much as japanese who move here will adapt and act differently. At their base these people are not a statistically significantly different person compared to you or I.

What is that mess of a second line supposed to mean. What hits. What target.

when the citizen loose their guns and their spirit.
God bless america
in god we trust
Fuck "democrats"

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Yeah because you're such a chad you'd step in and stop them right?

It would depend on the race of the perpetrator/victim/crowd and the location.

This is a common/theme in anime/manga. Everyone just looks or looks away. No one intervenes. Entire first 1/2 of the story is the protagonist coming to terms with the fact that they want to help someone in need.

>location
This is a big one. People are far more likely to intervene or at least call for aid if they are the sole witness. When there is a crowd there is what is called a diffusion of responsibility as everyone assumes someone else will do it.

Tell me. If these behaviors are a function of their environment; then why can I determine the primary culture of a contributor to a project by their correspondence and contribution?

Same environment, same goal, different origins, different behaviors.

If you can't understand the analogy of finding targets in a population and accurately hitting them, I'm not sure how to explain applied statistical analysis any simpler.

Confirmation bias and anchoring is how. You dont remember the times your guesses are wrong and only adjust your thinking relative to the persons who go outside of your box as "not as japanese" as you'd expect.

Because psycho pass is fucking symbolic. It’s meant to make a statement

The fact some people cant wrap their heads around the idea that two americans can be as different as an american and a japanese is baffling. Just think about the huge range of people you know in your own country and how much they can vary. Right or left leaning, quiet or loud, compassionate or dick bag. Is it really so weird for you dumbasses who are a country literally made of immigrants to hear that "if three people take a test. Two americans and one japanese, odds are the american results will differ from each other about as much as the japanese result" if its an actually random sample?

This.

The problem is most anons dont have enough friends to actually have a range of personalities among them so they just assume everyone is just like them.

Nips are betas. That's all you needed to learn from psycho piss.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility

Protip for life: If you're being raped or mugged, DON'T YELL FOR HELP!! People hear help and they turn and run or just ignore you.

If you need help. Yell FIRE!! People always run towards a fire.

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Just an ordinary day in China.

>people run towards a fire
The idea is that they observe it and see you need help lol

>killed by a nigger

Ignoring the context in Psycho Pass what good would helping a stranger do? With laws these days, its way too much of a hassle and risk that most of the time you shouldn't bother, just call the cops or something.

One thing that confuses me. There's a lot of talk about what the show says about conformism and criminal justice without due process, but what about its treatment of mental illness?

Psycho-Pass is a great takedown of how the public mind associates every mental illness or disorder with crime and violence, to the point where Americans are talking about citizens not being able to own hunting rifles if they had ADHD as a kid. Psycho Pass points out something real, which is the fucking bullshit treatment of mental illness in the public mind and how that shapes policy.

A lot of anime is at the very least mildly misanthropic and concerned with hyper individualism, so the idea of an apathetic crowd is like telling the viewer "See, you're not a closed off loner, people are just too zombified to care about anything"

>Complaining about asians ignoring someone getting beaten to death.
>Europeans trying desperatly to make the claim that it happens all the time in the US when it doesn't.
>Europeans are just trying to ignore the time a soldier was killed in broad daylight by a terrorist with no one coming to his aid in fact people video recorded and interviewed him before unarmed police even arrived.

Why do Eurofags even exist?

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Where I live, a dozen men who are always sitting in front of the deli would stand up, walk over there and beat the everloving shit out of the attacker.

I've recently read something about this stuff in the book called "Influence" by Robert B. Cialdini. Let me quote it:

"[If] bystanders cannot be sure that the event they are witnessing is an emergency[, t]hen a victim is much more likely to be helped by a lone bystander than by a group, escpacially if the people in the group are strangers to one another. It seems that the pluralistic ignorance effect is strongest among strangers: Because we like to look poised and sophisticated in public and because we are unfamiliar with the reactions of those we do not know, we are unlikely to give off or correctly read expressions of concern when in a grouping of strangers. Therefore, a possible emergency becomes viewed as a non-emergency, and the victim suffers."

Most anons are also autistic