Why is that such a common belief that GITS SAC is shit and only movie(s) are good?
I've watched movies and SAC multiple times and I fucking love the first season of SAC, the plot is actually amazing and there are no weak episodes in there.
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I remember when I watched the series there was very little emotional core to any of the characters and it was entirely plot focused, which was extremely episodic up until a certain point where it just got convoluted as fuck. Didn't enjoy it at all.
>Why is that such a common belief that GITS SAC is shit and only movie(s) are good?
Where do you get that from. SAC receives mostly praise. I'm pretty sure people regard the second movie to be worse than SAC
>Why is that such a common belief that GITS SAC is shit and only movie(s) are good?
I don't know who you are listening to but you should probably stop listening to them.
Kusanagi looks worse. The tachikoma are distracting. (I fucken love the tachikoma tho)
SAC is not shit, it just doesn't live up to the original movie, which is a fucking masterpiece, probably the best in its own genre.
This is true, to an extent. The film has managed to leave certain things vague enough to be more mysterious without compromising the plot.
SAC is much better than the movies
>common belief
You might want to reconsider your circle of fellow hobbyists and/or the places you spend time online. The worst thing about it was the dreadful digital animation. Other than that it was a solid show with a fantastic script.
>You might want to reconsider your circle of fellow hobbyists and/or the places you spend time online
I've seen it on Yea Forums in different threads around the last decade.
there are a lot of retards here on Yea Forums, so it's not surprising
>It's a common believe that GitS SAC is shit
Most of the people I've talked (as well as myself) liked GitS SAC. You must must be confused, Satan.
because it's a shitty boring detective
The common belief is that both the movies and SAC are good albeit different. Arise is shit and the hollywood adaptation doesn't exist.
What about SSS
I wish SAC Major had this look.
I'm not sure how a minority of shitposters and retards now hold sway over the majority opinion of the anons in this board. SAC is not a bad show by any means, retardation aside the most "controversial" opinion you can realistically come across is that 2nd GiG is better than the first season.
SSS is part of SAC.
It is by far the more popular opinion that the movies are shit and SAC is the better adaptation. This is wrong, of course. SAC is a bland by-the-numbers melodrama with none of the visual flair that distinguishes the movies from seasonal TV anime. Exposition and extensive backstories do not equal good characterisation, and the characters in SAC are painfully one-dimensional and superficial. Trying to turn section 9 into some kind of ethical heroes is also a total misread of the source material, something that could've been forgiven had the execution been better but as is it's just lame and naive.
I like the movie just a bit more, but would probably put both in my top 20. The series actually resembles the manga more than the movie in some ways, mainly in that the movie is low key Angel’s Egg part 2, with tons of the meaning coming from symbolism, where SAC is mode explicit information heavy and follows the more episodic structure of the original. With most tv anime you usually get at least one episode were you can’t help but think “yeah they fucked up here with this episode” it’s only natural with being a long running thing that mistakes will be made, Ive never thought that way about any of the episodes of SAC even in my third viewing.
>retardation aside the most "controversial" opinion you can realistically come across is that 2nd GiG is better than the first season.
I've seen that too.
Honestly I disliked 2nd season a lot for some reason, it felt like a mess for me compared to the first one that was directed really well.
I vividly remember watching 2nd GIG for the first time and seeing Major sport that bitching trench coat in the opening and I thought shit got real
Season 2 had at least two shameless fanservice episodes, the writers were running on fumes.
You don't seem to know what melodrama means. If anything, SAC (and GitS in general) is incredibly stoic and dispassionate. I think that the series is much more idealistic than the movie but in no way does it slide into melodrama, if anything it comes across more as naïve. Also, disregarding your position that an adaptation has to adhere strictly to the source material, Section 9 isn't portrait as ethical by any means in SAC, they're government tools and they only go "rogue" because of political outmaneuvering, a somewhat misplaced sense of patriotism and ultimately doing what is best for Section 9.
I liked 2nd GiG better. It wasn't as tight as the first one but the political drama was great and ended on a much more poignant note than the "we r legun" 1st season.
that is becoming a less and less common belief as SAC proves that the intricacies of its plot have more real world relevance than basically any anime made since. I posted about SAC on Yea Forums like eight years ago and people told me that I was a normalfag, but today I find that discussion of the series is pretty regular. I'm glad it is finally getting the appreciation it deserves because all three parts of SAC are phenomenal, each for somewhat different reasons.
I am cautiously optimistic for 3rd GIG aka the Netflix 3DCG 24 episode run next year
i guess one with the potential shota scene, and what's the second one?
It's normalfag in the sense that it's popular but even normalfags can have good taste even if their uncritical brains know why.
Also, you shouldn't have any faith at all in Netflix so temper your expectations.
How could you forget the sex doll episode?
>So temper your expectations
Its the same director as SAC and Netflix is more generous with budgets than the traditional anime industry, but what is driving my hope is purely the dream that there will be a respectable continuation of the SAC story. I need it. Desperately. There is essentially no other anime that really scratches this itch.
to be fair manga motoko was a slut in her free time
People generally like SAC.
What people don't like is Arise.
I prefer the SAC look
especially with the leotard + pants, with the hip-revealing action
>Trying to turn section 9 into some kind of ethical heroes is also a total misread of the source material, something that could've been forgiven had the execution been better but as is it's just lame and naive.
Sounds like you didn't even watch SAC, Section 9 is anything but ethical
yeah i shouldn't have watched the show high
There are 3 fanbases to Ghost in the Shell, the original mangafans(they almost don't exist), the people who only think the movies are good and the people who like SaC. SaC was a attempt to merge elements of the manga and movies together and it was wonderful, moviefags are angry that they would inject any lightheartedness into it.
No idea, I liked both SAC and the movies.
>moviefags are angry that they would inject any lightheartedness into it.
This exactly.
The movie was great and all, but I dislike Oshii's dreary delivery of the setting.
It makes the scifi seem so dystopian when Shirow clearly didn't think of the setting in a very negative way at all.
>Common belief
What? It's not.
Second from left is the best. Nice trips.
It's incredible how the original Manga was a comedic as fucks with Motoko expressing a lot of funny emotions and having canonic porn pages.
The Oshii adaptation was something totally different with everything serious as fucks.
I'll join the other anons' sentiment that SAC's very good.
The only bad GitS is Arise, and even then it's meh.
>which is a fucking masterpiece, probably the best in its own genre.
wow, slow down with the plebeian opinions there
you mean it's sad how the Oshii adaptation removed the fun from GitS
Sac is literally the only good animated content. Movies are a snorefest that looks good.
It was a not very successful attempt to merge the manga and the movies together.
The writing is fine, but it's not as fun as the manga, not as moody as the movie, and not nearly as pretty as either.
It's sort of an awkward compromise.
SAC & 2nd gig are amazing what are you talking about OP?
don't you forget about the PS1 cutscenes
>real world relevance
what an irrelevant, bullshit criterium for evaluating a work of fiction
she's so cold and human
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i wish the SAC bluray didn't have the usual shitty upscaling.
I tried watching SAC after the movies, but it was just such a departure that I dropped it after a couple of episodes. Been a long time now, maybe I should give it another chance.
SAC is my personal favourite anime, it's not at all a common opinion that it is bad.
There are some people who only like Oshii's stuff or much prefer it but in my experience when talking to people who've actually seen both SAC more often comes out on top for people.
This is pretty common, especially because a lot of people think of the Oshii Movies as the "original" when actually SAC is closer to the Manga and less of a departure if anything.
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It's not close enough to the manga either.
I think it's a good balance between the approaches of Oshii and the Manga.
Being more like the manga wouldn't make it better for me, I did like the PS1 game's cutscenes though and those are the most faithful animated adaptation.
it's a
eh
kind of balance
the kind that doesn't have the best parts of what it tries to combine, but still has a lot of its flaws.
lol
>extremely episodic up until a certain point where it just got convoluted
i just noticed how retarded this first post is.
Again, I totally disagree, I think Oshii's take is completely dreary and feels almost totally devoid of humanity and humour whilst the Manga goes too far in the opposite direction to the point it's almost too goofy to take serious (not to mention it eventually goes completely off the rails).
SAC has its own strengths but it also basically manages to execute on a lot of the best parts of the movies and the manga.
No it doesn't
the best parts of the manga are the worlbuilding (properly executed by SAC) the art (NOT properly executed at all) the comedy (not properly executed) and the action (not executed that well)
the best part of the movie are the atmowank (NOT properly executed at all) and the animation (not properly executed)
So that leaves us with the worldbuilding
SAC isn't as cool as the manga because it tries to simultaneously get a bit of that Oshii gravitas and subsequently fails at both.
eh
Fucking hell user don't make me rewatch the whole thing again. The action scenes in SAC are so fun to watch
But is worse than the series
I re watch the entire canon of GiTS from the original film through to Arise probably three times a year - most of it is for the nightstalker scene from the OG film, and then the fights in 2nd GIG.
The scene where the refugees blow up the bridge is also fucking phenomenal. Also Ghoda and Batou's conversation on the roof of the building where the individual eleven killed each other is a high point in the series.
I can only like the first movie after watching sac and familiarising myself with the cast
2nd movie stills stinks though
I don't like the Manga's art style as much as SAC's better art styles (unfortunately there are several, some definitely worse than others), or the Oshi movies' style.
SAC does the comedy well without going overboard like the Manga.
It can't compete in frame for frame raw animation quality with a movie which cost more to make than both 26 episode seasons of SAC put together but no one could reasonably expect it to do so.
There's still a lot of great action scenes with very good animation, the show was basically made on an OVA schedule and was pretty expensive in its own right.
I'm obviously not going to convince you but there are even people who think Arise is the best so it is to be expected that opinions will differ.
What the fuck are you talking about?
The manga isn't even that good
>common belief that GITS SAC is shit
Literally no one thinks that.
Nigga everyone loves SAC
The animation in those is clean as fuck. Even the game itself is good.
Are you only able to enjoy stories if they constantly remind you that the characters are happy, as if you can only enjoy happiness through them?
Nobody said this. The general consensus is that SAC and Oshii's movie are brilliant.
The manga and Oshii's films are good precisely because of their extremes. They have identities. SAC fails to express anything interesting because it's driven by sentimental interpersonal drama and superficial commentary of liberalist politics.
The direction is actually split down the middle with Kenji Kamiyama doing one half and Shinji Aramaki doing the other which does not at all bode well.
There was already the threat of it being 3DCG with Kamiyama's work since SAC but Shinji Aramaki's name being attached might as well be a nail in the coffin of any hope that it won't be 3DCG.
Not to mention the story will probably suffer horribly for his involvement.
On top of that we still don't know if Yoko Kanno's attached and Origa's already gone and fucking died so the music is also unlikely to reach anywhere near the same heights.
There's plenty of reason to worry about this unfortunately, and if they fuck it up we won't even have the dream of a respectable continuation of SAC to fall back on.
3rd Gig was and still is my most desired Anime continuation also but if they're going to fuck it up I'd rather them not do it at all.
>3rd Gig was and still is my most desired Anime continuation
Why? SSS ends on a pretty high note.
SSS ends with Motoko rejoining Section 9 after her little wander though, it was a perfect reset to line up another season.
Yeah, but it's also a pretty good send-off for the show. Section 9 is back together and the Puppeteer didn't fuck shit up this time, and if I'm being honest I felt that 2nd GIG was weaker that the first season plot-wise so I never wanted any more SAC after SSS.
I personally thought 2nd Gig was as strong, if not stronger than the first season.
It would have had to dip in quality pretty hard for me to not want more anyway, but it looks like I'll get to see that happen with this new entry.
>I personally thought 2nd Gig was as strong, if not stronger than the first season.
How so?
Not gonna lie, SSS Motoko is my favorite.
The story is still being done by Kamiyama so there is some hope. The ten year time skip and the confirmed 3DCG will mean that the series is probably going to be stupid dark, likely starting with the death of Chief Aramaki and spiraling out of control from there.
I am hopeful. Its all I've got to look forward too.
>likely starting with the death of Chief Aramaki and spiraling out of control from there.
Shut up.
It's my most desired continuation too. I usually have a don't expect anything and you can't be disappointed mindset but somehow that doesn't work at all for SAC. It needs to be good.
Also they can't possibly be retarded enough to not get Yoko Kanno into the boat.
SAC is a masterpiece compared to the pile of dogshit that is the second movie.
Innocence was nice too. I'd surely rate it behind 1995 and SAC but still enjoyable. Also had some really iconic scenes
Man, if Yoko Kanno isn't in my hype levels will severely decrease.
Name a single cyberpunk anime better than the first movie.
Protip: you can't.
This speech recreation stuff is getting pretty good, maybe they can even get a fake origa. Would be awesome but that's probably putting the expectations to high.
If the anime is good I'd probably be really happy if they just recycled inner universe as opening
>3rd gig will be full 3dcg
Its dead
>very little emotional core
Neither the manga nor the first movie are especially concerned with characterization. The anime, particularly the 2nd season, is the only piece of the franchise that goes to any length to flesh out the entire ensemble. If the anime left you wanting, the rest of the franchise is likely to disappoint you further.
>convoluted
The plot accelerates at a roller coaster pace. You'd have to watch it twice if you really wanted to keep up. The themes are more important than the specific plot points anyway.
The first time I watched Arise, I couldn't stand it, but then I got over the changes they made--and you know what? It's honestly very faithful to the series as a whole. The animation quality is unfortunate, but I think they did an overall good job with what was likely a very limited budget. I'd say the OVAs are more entertaining than some of SAC, which has quite a few episodes that fail to entertain or provoke thought.
I'd actually recommend Arise to anyone who's gone through the trouble of reading the manga; it does a good job at bridging the manga and SAC.
Batou gets some of the best fight scenes in anime, period. They're not flashy or epic, but they're grounded and tense, and go a long way to demonstrate both Batou's skills and his vulnerability. His character design doesn't hurt, either. He's a great foil for Motoko.
The 2nd movie is absolutely only for die-hard fans. It rolls along at a snail's pace, can't decide between focusing on philosphy or history, and lacks any semblance of a satisfying or conclusive ending. It was absolutely a kitchen-sink script, maligned by weak editing and unfocused direction. Still, I appreciate it. Because Motoko is absent for so much of the movie, we get to learn much more about Batou, Aramaki, and Togusa, who are the best supporting characters of the cast.
>The 2nd movie
"The sundering flower wishes for a cloudy day."
It's arise that is fucking dogshit. SAC was solid.
God, Batou`s close-quarter fights are works of art. His scenes with that boxer or with the super cyborg come to mind, they were fantastic.
>unfocused direction
Which is more likely: Oshii not knowing what he's doing after accumulating decades of experience, or you not paying attention?
Innocence is one of those few movies where I can truly feel that it`s great, but I`m too low IQ to enjoy it properly.
gits died when shirow dropped everything to draw greasy nigger porn full time.
Shirow is still writing Pandora if I recall correctly.
I have never heard anyone call SAC shit
Pretty sure everyone loves SAC except a very tiny group of Oshii fanatics that hate anything that isn't super serious all the time (which is ironic because not everything Oshii directed was super serious).
cant fool me satan, SAC was great
Episodes were aired out of order... you have to track down the two big SAC TV movies.
>you have to track down the two big SAC TV movies.
Why the fuck would you watch those?
What the fuck are you talking about?
SAC shit? This must be the work of reddit.
>Why is that such a common belief that GITS SAC is shit and only movie(s) are good?
You high or retarded?
I always hear the exact opposite.
Individual Eleven and SSS... OVAs. Japan also received The Laughing Man as an OVA. Watching individual episodes isn't nearly as cohesive.
I've actually watched them out of curiosity before. Given that they have to condense 26 fucking episode, they do a pretty decent job. But yeah the series is obviously far far better.
>Individual Eleven and SSS... OVAs.
Are you incapable of typing like a normal human being?
And are you really that much of a pussy that a show being episodic is too hard for you?
>Watching individual episodes isn't nearly as cohesive.
Maybe if you have short term memory loss
You're the fucking retard that hasn't heard of the fucking OVAs pal.
I knew about the OVA's you cumguzzling faggot, I was asking why you would need to watch them.
uh yeah if you want to listen to tachikomas debate philosophy for fifteen minutes
because they added new scenes and voice-overs, give it a watch it's great
>having an attention span this bad
Opinion promptly discarded
No, why would I watch them over the show you gigantic retard?
How bad was the live action movie?