Evangelion

I had always assumed that Seele were mostly just old men that were afraid of death.

The religious symbolism is a red herring for stupid people, whether they like evangelion or not. No one who earnestly likes this show thinks the symbolism is what makes it deep.

But if SEELE simply want instrumentality by any means, why bother trying to stop Gendo and NERV at the end? Why bother fighting the Angels at all when they're also trying to start Third Impact?

This. The chairman was fitted with robotic parts to extend his life and wellbeing, and instrumentality was the logical final conclusion for him.

That's not how Gendo presented to them. He intends something else, but he's telling them no Instrumentality, he looks like he's opposing the whole thing and he's looked like that since throwing the Spear away. Seele think Gendo was trying to use them to kill the Angels and then back out of the real plan to save humanity, leaving the species to falter and die out at an evolutionary dead end on a half-dead planet after expending all their resources on a war they'd never recover from.

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>they are basically the Illuminati
They're literally the fucking jews.

Blade runner 2049 is good but it's not really comparable to eva.

Also, the whole idea of ''instrumentality'' is a common spiritual concept of a soul-monad or singularity of conscious being. Angels are ''correcting'' and punishing the path of humans, Israelites experienced the same (though slightly altered) in the OT.

Evangelion as a whole is thematically centered about navigating an ''incomplete'' ontological world - for the self at least. Shinji realizes that the pain of incompleteness is balanced by the will to face it - as the title of the 26th episode says: The Beast Who Shouted ''Love/I'' at the Heart of the World. Kind of Dionysian ala. Nietzsche. It is a pretty traditional existentialist statement, imbued with cool sci-fi ideas and interesting characters.

OP is a pretentious pseud who just rewatched Evangelion after taking Intro to Philosophy and thinking Berkeley's Solipsist writing is OMG SO DEEP

Only plebs like eva

>solipsism
>evangelion
No. Evangelion doesn't even imply anything of the sort.

I wish I was still excited for 3.0+1.0. The few little sneak peaks they released look like dogshit. What happened to subtlety and the less is more approach? Fuck.

Compare the new trailer to this.

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misato anno ritsuko

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Why hasn't Anno talked about the religious elements and what they mean then, like he has for stuff like the Freudian aspects?
>The classic example is the "Wall of Jericho" scene, where the whole point is that the most famous thing that wall ever does is fall
And you've outed yourself as a retard, that's a reference to the 1934 film It Happened One Night, not the Bible directly.

>If Gendo and Seele both wanted instrumentality then why did Gendo go against them?
Gendo wants Instrumentality (and gets it in the TV ending), what SEELE wants is unclear, though they call it Instrumentality it almost certainly isn't what happens in either the TV ending or EoE.

You do realize this show was basically anime Ultraman with superficial religious bullshit added in to make yourselves feel smart and educated. Anno hasn't done anything worthwhile beyond the Godzilla movie and subsequent EVA movie cocks that you otakufags will gobble regardless of whether it's good or not.

This reads like satire

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>that's actually a reference to a film nobody has ever seen, not the most famous book ever made which the rest of the show references constantly
I hope you have some damn good evidence for this, fampai.

>nobody has ever seen
I always knew Evafags were plebs, but this is embarrassing.

The fucking Renewal/Platinum booklets, ever heard of those?

The content or the way i write? I'm ESL, so that's maybe why. The post itself was written in all seriousness, although a bit shallow and brief. (what can really be explained thoroughly in a Yea Forums post?)

Yes, I just looked in mine to find the passage you are talking about, you think that counts as proof? I am unconvinced. That booklet has a few hot takes in it, which I like actually because it's interesting and shows an actual attempt to present an understanding of the show, but there's no way it's right about everything it says.
Ultimately, between referencing the Bible quite vaguely, or an older film more specifically (with regards to another border separating sleeping areas), I still think the former is more likely and both Eva and this film happened to make the same reference.

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>it's deep because it shows what this biblical book told us
The book of genesis didn't tell us a story of adam and even and what not, it tells us a story about human condition. Evangelion borrows imaginery from the genesis a lot, but tells a lot different story about human condition. That's why people say it's there just to look cool; because WHAT THE STORY IS ABOUT is very different.

Yes the wall that fell was was wall of jericho. But do you really think the story about wall of jericho was a documentary about a wall that fell? No, there was an abstract concept behind it, and evangelion didn't mirror that concept at all. It just had a wall that fell

That's mostly true. Evangelion uses religion as a storytelling tool. It isn't making commentaries on religion. This is what is actually meant by the quote "There is no Christian meaning to Evangelion". When Evangelion makes parallels between Third Impact and the Rapture, it isn't implying that the cause of Third Impact is the same as the cause of the Rapture or anything like that, it's just useful to convey the idea of apocalypse in that way. So, does that mean there's no significance beyond the aesthetic level? I say no, it doesn't, because Eva uses Biblical symbolism to enhance its own story, even if it isn't commenting on the Biblical story. I know it's quite cheap to repeat examples but it's one I really like, so the pic related where Gendo places himself at the head of the Sephirot is a clear example of religious symbolism enhancing and adding depth to the story we are told, because it tells us about Gendo's true goals from a fairly early point in the series, and it also tells us a bit about his character when he's otherwise almost entirely reserved about it - this is some of that arrogance from his youth shining through again, I feel, to give such a hint to those who are "in the know". He can't openly brag that he's plotting the end of the world, but part of him really wants to.

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Nah your English is good. I agree with your analysis but I guess the brevity of your post meant that reading words like "soul-monad" and "Dionysian" in such quick succession made me giggle. It's like you tried to parody what a self serious pretentious fan of Eva would write.

Pretty much this. People who dislike Eva never understood what it was about

lol. I think that was my way of summing it up. Well, there isn't much to be pretentious about - It is, after all, a simple Japanese cartoon. I think i wanted to illustrate that what Evangelion draws from isn't ''nothing'' but is built upon a multifaceted foundation that might be interesting to pick apart in context. I think that is one of the interesting parts, anyway. The ''ancestor'' of the ideas and themes.

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This thread clearly doesn't either.

I mean, it was written with at least the help of Gainax, and generally its "hot takes" are less explicitly authoritative than the Wall of Jericho statement, which comes right before information on a Chinese proverb Asuka uses and details on the animation team.

>allusions can be used to mirror the state of a character even if the context and meaning of the story is different
I can admit there's some value in that, but I'll need to spend some time thinking just how much, and how significant it is. My gut instinct is that it's in some way cheap because you should be able to convey the same thing without referring to outside sources. But then if you DO portray it in your own work as well, what's the point of the allusion to begin with? If figuring out the symbolic meaning adds nothing to the character, then was it there just to wink at the audience? And if it does add some depth to the character, shouldn't that depth be in the work itself rather than as a reference to another work?

>There still exist people who take the "muh religious symbolism just looked cool" comment at face value
i do take somewhat at face value, anno himself couldnt communicate what exactly they symbolize and if he could simply explain everything about the show in words, there would no need to make the show in the first place. art is about communication, its not a puzzle. only dishonest art has a simple explanation behind every artistic choice. a true artist pushes himself to the edge, communicating ideas and concepts which he himself cannot consciously grasp or truly understand.

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