I'm tired of pretending it's not the best

I'd agree it's the best on Vader's redemption alone, it's the most moving element of the entire series

>Wicket
wased and wokpilled

I was always fond of the Asian guy sort of half yelling "There's too many of them"

>muh teddy bears
is this really the only complaint star wars fags have with the movie?

They'll generally bring up either that or the second death star

Luke's black outfit, single Michael Jackson glove and green lightsaber is probably the most kino aesthetic of the entire series as well.

The realization of him chopping vaders hand off and the self reflection he has looking at himself might be one of the best things to ever come from starwars

Taking down Empire’s supposed Special Forces, yeah, it’s retarded

The Jabba scenes are all kino. It's once they arrive on Endor that things get silly. I love the Ewoks and C3PO's story, sound effects and all, it's the weird extra camp that begins happening with Han Solo's character that really brings it down in my opinion.

Weird how the princess is used as an alien sex slave though

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>best lightsaber duel in the OT
The combination of Luke giving in and attacking out of hate with the music that plays gives me a shiver every time. That whole scene is loaded with emotion.

Is it though? Jabba basically wants to make her a trophy just like with the Twi'leks and Han Solos frozen corpse. It makes sense from his perspective

I mean it makes sense in universe I’m just saying it’s weird that this space opera had its female heroine get used as fucktoy by aliens

With the exception of the scenes with Luke, Vader and the Emperor its so boring.

Yeah too bad it got Mandela Effected finally and HARD. The Luke sand pit scene now has a funky cardboard Lando that is very obvious.

I don’t think it’s the best movie but the first act on Tatooine is the most fun Star Wars has ever been.

It's got a great intro and ending, saying its best scenes are the only good parts is being pretty simplistic about it. There's lots to appreciate through out.

>I'm tired of pretending it's not the best.

ROTJ was my favorite when I was a kid, I still think the confrontation between Luke, Vader and the Emperor is the best scene in the trilogy.

It does have flaws though in ways that ANH and ESB don't. The battle of Endor would have been better served having Wookies in place of Ewoks. I like the concept of a primitive people beating the technological Empire but it would be more believable if it was an army of Sasquatch instead of an army of Teddy Bears. Likewise Han and Leia just don't have enough to do down on Endor, they needed a major villain of their own to fight either Boba Fett or some menacing Imperial officer.

All in all I think ROTJ is a great finale that could have been the best entry in the series with just a few tweaks but as it is it has higher highs but also lower lows than ANH or ESB.

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You really think Jabba can still get it up after all those years of being so obese?

> Ackbar, Jabba, Bib Fortuna, Nien Nub, Wicket, Rancor
Dude you forgot Scrimblo Bimblo!

I was thinking same thing. Shouldn’t killed Boba and had him as The Boss on Endor. Make sense. He wants revenge on his escaped bounty Solo

Everyone in this thread just ignoring RoTS. Actual wars in the stars that makes the ST look amateurish in comparison. Grievous. Best light saber battle. Jedi getting bodied. Anakin's transformation into Vader. Come on, man.

I think the only legit criticisms are Han Solo needs to have more to do and the Ewoks should've been Wookies. Or if you're going to have Ewoks make them a little bit more understanding of technology like the Jawas or something.

Yeah, Lucas himself said that he regretted killing Boba off and that he didn't appreciate how much the fans liked him or his potential as an antagonist. The battle of Endor needed a more developed antagonist for Han and Leia to deal with, maybe give Han a chance to do something heroic saving Leia. Would have added some drama to what is ultimately the weak point of the movie.

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I'm not a fan of Jabba's palace, in any other movie a subplot so disconnected from the main story would be at most a 10-15 minute sequence, other than Luke flexing his Jedi power there is nothing I like about it. Their whole plan at Jabba's is also kinda stupid when you actually think about it.

yep, I'm thinking kinotography

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Yet Lucas repeated the mistake with Darth Maul

Did you mean to fuck with me by almost spelling out israel withe the first letters and then stopping or has this site finally broken me and now I'm full schizo and see them everywhere?

This is a legitimately 10/10 action scene especially for a goofy space fantasy adventure when you weigh in the emotional impact behind it

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>NEVER!

LOL
Time to back away from the computer, dude.

>Their whole plan at Jabba's is also kinda stupid when you actually think about it.

I'll debate you on that one.

I think you're assuming that things actually went according to plan, rather than everything going to shit repeatedly

As I see it plan A was to trade the droids for Han exactly like Luke said in his message and then worry about getting R2 and C3PO back later which would presumably be much easier to sneak out than Han. Plan A doesn't work so they move on to plan B which is to have Leia sneak Han out, well that fucks up even worse and now Leia is captured too. So its on to Plan C, which is have Luke come in and mind trick Jabba into handing Han over which also fails and results in Luke having to fight the Rancor. So now every plan they had has gone to shit and they're about to get thrown into the Sarlaac but Luke has his one ace in the hole of having his lightsaber stashed on R2 and that gives them a chance to fight their way out of it.

When you realize that their plan failed repeatedly then it makes sense.

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Don't forget Plan D, Calrissian amongst the Guards

I don't think so. Maul serves his role very well in TPM as a looming threat and in the finale he kills Qui Gon and he has a great fight with Obi Wan.

In contrast Bobba Fett gets Mr. Magooed by Han into the sarlaac pit for a joke that only lands the first time you see the film.

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I think Lando sneaking Han out was actually Plan A and he just never had the opportunity to pull it off because unlike Leia he realized he'd get caught.

>Jabba arc is shit
>force-sensitive Leia has no payoff
>Emperor has fuck all to do
>throne room scenes are completely disconnected from the main plot
>Nien Nunb sucks, yes his design and voice are great but having extended scenes of Lando trying his hardest to play off of this literal fucking who that somehow gets to play one of the most critical roles is painful. he should have been Chewie since Chewie does fuck all on Endor other than play around with Ewoks anyway
>oh yeah, fucking Ewoks, the idea of an undeveloped tribal society getting the upper hand over the Empire is nice but it's absolutely pathetic how quickly an entire LEEEEGION goes down.
>the way Luke uses the force to get the Ewoks on their side cheapens what should have been Leia and 3PO's moment to shine, they are a diplomat and protocol droid respectively, this could have been their main contribution to the final battle, instead Luke gets to play hero again immediately after saving everyone on Tatooine.
>Boba Fett's death is shit, we know this, but not only could he have gotten a better send-off, he could have been made plot-relevant by having him be the one to reveal the location of the second death star in exchange for the rebels letting him go. then have him show up in the throne room to taunt Luke and reveal it was all part of a setup. so now he has an actual purpose in the film, the Jabba arc feels less like a weird sidequest, we don't need dumb exposition about 'Bothan spies', and the reveal that everything's a trap has more weight to it because the audience has also been deceived by a character they like.

The Phantom Menace does not deserve to be as low as The Force Awakens.

Two thing bother me, if the plan wasn't to get caught or fight their way out why did Luke have his lightsaber hidden in R2, also if he thought he could just mind trick Jabba, why even have plan A and plan B? It has that feeling of AotC's hiring a bounty hunter who hires another bounty hunter who sends a droid to release poison worms kind of convolution.

That's classic space opera shit.

>also if he thought he could just mind trick Jabba, why even have plan A and plan B

Because maybe he couldn't mind trick Jabba, turns out he couldn't.

>if the plan wasn't to get caught or fight their way out why did Luke have his lightsaber hidden in R2

Because they might get caught and have to fight their way out. I guess Luke could have just marched into the palace with the lightsaber but he didn't know exactly what he was marching into.

Its a little convoluted but if its understood as the plan failing and them having to throw something together its not that convoluted.

I’ve never been able to rank one over the other

>I've got to save you
>You already have

Kino of the highest order
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There's a lot to love in RotJ, but when I rewatched it I thought it totally loses all editorial discipline during the action scenes on Endor. The Ewoks are cute and fun in their first 20 minutes, and watching them wreck shop is funny, but it goes on forever! And the rebels mission on Endor is boring as fuck and feels more like 70's Doctor Who and less like an 80's Hollywood blockbuster. For me, it drags everything else down, the first two movies have impeccable pacing but RotJ fumbles this hard. Also, lots of prequel-tier dialogue

It's peak feel good happy ending kino. Back when sagas were allowed to have happy endings. Before the dark times. Before grumpy and cynical boomer, xoomer and millennial shitwanks started deconstructing everything and smugly subverting our expectations. Which is why I find the sequels infinitly more offensive than the prequels ever were. Episode V was already the best movie in the series and nailed being grimdark because as a middle chapter its supposed to be that way and only makes the resolution of VI that much sweeter. The sequels basically says fick you ha ha there was no happy ending after all. Han and Leia had an edgy grimdark emo kid and went through a shitty divorce, Lando really let himself go and Luke became a weirdo depressed bipolar hermit bum. This is why the sequels. Not the focus group virtue signaling and pandering. That's just a sideshow.
OT = filtered Lucas autism (a neat balance and harmony)
PT = unfiltered and unchecked Lucas autism (and that's why I am beginning to like them more as of late because hindsight really is that much of a bitch)
ST = unfiltered and unchecked midwit normie boomer/xoomer/millenial reddit soi with none of that magic sovlfvll Lucas autismo touch and it shows

not to be pedantic but the reason why this one is the best is because we find out in the previous movie that vader is his father

*The sequels basically says fuck you ha ha there was no happy ending after all. Han and Leia had an edgy grimdark emo kid and went through a shitty divorce, Lando really let himself go and Luke became a weirdo depressed bipolar hermit bum. This is why the sequels suck. Not the focus group virtue signaling and pandering. That's just a sideshow.

Here's the bad of the movie:

>force kick
>second death star
>ewoks
>han has nothing to do

That's all. It's a great movie and people over-exaggerate it's flaws to make up for the other, far inferior films

This is why I like Episode 4 and 6 the most. They are triumphant and all encompassing.

of course we’re ignoring RotS it’s hot shit, zoomer. Lucas had to cram any meaningful story into one movie because he botched the other too so badly. the lightsaber battles are gay cartoony action figure shit. it’s only marginally better than the two movies preceding it, hence, it’s garbage.

I like V more because it sets up all the hurdles and emotional stakes for VI to resolve triumphantly. And the prequels actually add even more weight and catharsis to that resolution. Especially if you view the first six in the following order: 1-4-5-2-3-6

Return of the Jedi is like the unconventionally hot girl who makes up for slight weaknesses with personality and style.

>>han has nothing to do
Han is the damsel now, I like this
>>force kick
Eh, just a mistake they left into the movie, not an actual force kick
>>ewoks
Agreed, but music be jumping
>>second death star
I like the under construction look, what would you have preferred instead as the final resolution?

Episode 9 is the best

Hello 16 year old zoomer

>when the music kicks in
unironically on of the greatest fight scenes in movie history

I like the payoff better than the setup from my perspective. The first I watched was 1 and 4 in 1999.