What went wrong for him?

Maybe use the subject line next time, faggot. Otherwise, you're inviting user to make of your subject-less thread what they will.

everyone else figured it out just find chud-kun.

I figured using an image of one of the most famous characters from one of the most famous movies ever made was enough to signal I'm talking about the character and not Al Pacino. And wince everyone else in the thread got i was referring to Michael and not Al means I was right to assume that, so calm the fuck down and take the L. It's not even a big deal.

Robocop maybe

>wince
*since

The Conversation?

It's just the way he was. He was like that even before . That's the whole point of the pic related scene at the end of Part II. Michael thought of himself as different than his family so he never was going to be successful as its leader.

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>OP filename "Michael"
>hurr durr i thought you meant Al
next time, OP could use the subject line, but youll be stupid forever

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robocop is an excellent movie and If I was making a list of perfect films, it would be on there. but I don't know it doesn't reach the same heights that Godfather does.

The first scene of the godfather is better than most entire movies
>I believe in America
I almost come in my pants every time I hear it.

yeah it and Apocalypse Now are two of the films that at the very least come close. I guess maybe the better question is why did Francis Ford Coppala go full retard

>second post is dunkposting

Retard, this isn't about you. This is a thread on Yea Forums. If you don't include a subject then you should probably just roll with whatever way it goes. In fact, you should probably be ok with that even with the subject line and an autistic OP.

I'm not having a personal conversation with faggot OP. I'm making a post in a thread. I decided to post about Michael because I can. Deal.

thats not the point of the scene at the end of 2, the point of that scene is to show how alone and isolated Michael is now, just like at the end of that scene, which fades to an older Michael sitting by the shore of his Lake Tahoe compound ruminating deeply on his life.

*not post about Michael

Nigger, everyone else got it but you. Just admit you didn't click on the image and calm the fuck down. Dont derail the thread just because you're mad you didn't get what I was talking about.

>muh subject line
everyone knows the content of the original post dictates the subject topic of the thread, newfaggot

this. every time I watch it I'm amazed when I hit the first Italy scene. Feels like I started watching 5 minutes ago and I suddenly realize the movie is more than halfway over.

You need to watch it again. It's not contrasting "how alone and isolated Michael is now" with how close he was with his family before or anything like that; it's showing you that his current loneliness is actually not all that new. The scene ends with him sitting alone at the table because his family has walked away from him because he's isolated himself as he's simply prone to doing.

youtube.com/watch?v=r-I4VIR5yGg

>oh no anons are posting in my shit thread
>and they're actually sincereposting and not shitting it up with garbage
>better correct him anyway
>after all, this is about me and what I want

I wasn't confused, faggot. I chose to post about Al and not the character. FFS how new are you faggots? Be glad I showed up and tried to contribute to your shit thread and you aren't getting tranny shitposts.

...And the content of the original post is both Michael Corleone and Al Pacino, numbnuts. Didn't think this through did you? Had autistic, control-freak faggot OP used the subject to enumerate his very specific desires about a Michael Corleone discussion AND NOTHING MORE then I would have passed on this cancer thread.

ive seen the movie plenty, i watched it the other day. michael being prone to isolating himself and acting against his fathers wishes was part of his character as the rebel son. my point was that he became cold hearted and isolated after those three particular events i mentioned. he wasnt like that before. not that he was particularly close with his family (he was, he just didnt like the idea that he wasnt in charge of his own destiny) but that he was indeed entirely alone. thats the point of that scene. and he was betrayed by several people in that scene. virtually all of them except for sonny. tom never betrayed him but tom disappointed him.

>167467134
i hope youre getting the attention you so desperately crave

I am.You didn't let me down.

Warrior gene. People like him cant function without adversity and war. Should have just stayed in the army.

>"I dont feel that I have to 'wipe everybody out' Tom, only my enemies"
Michael at the end of two is so based. hardened, cold, resolved.

>I wasn't confused, faggot. I chose to post about Al and not the character. FFS how new are you faggots? Be glad I showed up and tried to contribute to your shit thread and you aren't getting tranny shitposts
Then why did you sperg out over me not using the subject line? You went from trying to blame me for not using it to trying to troll to save face. Anyone with a brain cell can tell you're embarrassed for fucking up and you dont want to own it. All you had to do was go "oh okay, I thought it was about Al, my bad." Instead of going turbo sperg trying to deflect blame off yourself. It's fine to make a mistake, I didnt even mind it but you're acting like a big baby about it.

that ending id fucking depressing when you realize that Tom and Fredo were the only ones in that scene supporting Michael going to the military, and Michael pushed both of them out of his life by the end of Godfather II.

This, dont give this faggot (you)s. He's an attention whoring retard trying to derail the thread so he entertain himself for a few hours on here. Don't let him, ignore him and he'll fuck off.

>my point was that he became cold hearted and isolated after those three particular events i mentioned.

I understand, and I agree that they were of course traumatic events that made him colder than he already was. But I think the point is that Michael's disposition is really at the core of why these traumatic events made him cold, whereas we see that Vito has similarly traumatic experiences with losing his family and it doesn't have the same effect. At least to me, Part II is all about how Michael is different from Vito. No doubt, there's differences in the nature of the things they go through (e.g. losing your family as a kid vs. as an adult, having other people kill your family vs having your family be the one's to betray you, etc.), but I don't think it's a stretch to say Vito had every reason to become just as jaded as Michael and never did. The movie seems pretty explicit to me in the case it's making for Michael just being a different type of person. Nature and nurture shaped him, but nature is what seems to be what makes him different from his father despite having similarly tough nurture experiences.

>You went from trying to blame me for not using it to trying to troll to save face
No. I made a normal, ok post about whats actually wrong with Al Pacino, which a non-autist might just roll with and say "ok 310 posts there's room enough for that" but instead you decided to correct me about what YOU want out of YOUR Michael Corleone thread. Fuck off.

Apollonia was a qt, they all deserved to be kill for her murder

To be fair, the dude would have became a Henry Kissinger like figure if he stayed in the military and used his gifts to further the goals of empire. He was going to be a monster either way. But atleast the only people he would hurt were commies and thirdworlders.

This is a Michael thread. Please only post about Michael Corleone. No other characters. I really only want to talk about Michael.

tom doesnt support him, tom immediately brings up vitos plans for michael that theyve talked about, which only serves to further piss michael off, as he hasnt had any part in these conversations of his future. fredo is the only one who genuinely supports him.

the darkest scene to me, is michaels conversation with his mother before she dies, asking about how vito was able to keep shit together, do what he had to do and not lose sight of his family, and she tells him that you can never lose your family, they are always with you, and to michael, its like she is giving him the greenlight to kill fredo.

michael and vito are definitely different people, both as family patriarchs and dons. one of the main differences between them, one the easiest level to see, is their wives. vito had a strong supporting wife who loved him no matter what, prayed for his soul. kay fought michael at every turn and opportunity.

>I want to control it as a business, to keep it respectable. I don't want it near schools - I don't want it sold to children! That's an infamia. In my city, we would keep the traffic in the dark people - the colored. They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls.

what did he mean by this

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OP here. Go start your own thread if you want to post about other characters. I only want to talk about Michael Corleone.

she literally would have been the perfect wife for michael, like how carmela corleone was for vito.

most definitely. which is ironic, since his father thought it would, idk, legitimize the family, but michael knew that he would be no different from his father anyway, his comments to kay about presidents and politicians having people killed as well.

>vito had a strong supporting wife who loved him no matter what, prayed for his soul.
Michael's original wife would've been like that. But she exploded so he had to settle for American whore trash like Kay.

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he meant that he was fucking based as fuck

Good job, OP. You made the sperg so mad he's seething at every other user now.

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yeah thats one of the main points ive been making. apollonia was key to maintaining the balance for michael. he might have loved kay before, but he was absolutely in love with apollonia and after her death he never loved kay, he just did it for the sake of having children and a family and already knowing kay. but yes she was a worthless protestant whore.

Yeah well I want to talk about how cute apollonia is. She too cute. Fucking sad that she died

Agreed.

That scene in Sicily was brilliant writing.
Michael gets a taste of a life he didn't know he wanted, he's really in love with a woman that fits him as a person instead of pretending to be a legitimate WASP. But then it all gets taken from him and he's left as an angry shell of himself.

>one of the main differences between them, one the easiest level to see, is their wives. vito had a strong supporting wife who loved him no matter what, prayed for his soul. kay fought michael at every turn and opportunity.

Let's be fair. Michael was never honest with Kay. He told her he wasn't like his family, that the family would be strictly legitimate in just a few short years, and none of that was true. It always seemed like it was understood that he was a mafia prince in hiding when he married Apollonia and she knew exactly what she was getting into.

translation: FUCK NIGGERS

Ignore him, he's seething over OP correcting him that the thread was about Michael the character and his arc in the Godfather movies and not the career of Al Pacino.

This, Michael and Kay were doomed since day one. The wedding really shined a light on the kind of family the Corleones were.

i dont believe michael was intentionally lying to her though. when he said he wasnt like his family, it was something he wanted to believe, like he was telling himself too. same with the family being legitimate in five years. he wanted that to be true. by the time michael met apollonia he had accepted his destiny as a mafia prince. he accepted it the moment he decided to kill mccluskey and sollozzo. kay lied about having his unborn son murdered. she might have understood what he was getting into, but the mafia doesnt traditionally go after women or children. the sicilian mafia is much more ruthless, but still, it was thought that michael would be driving alone.

the scenes in sicily are all so wonderful, in both I and II. he didnt have to pretend with apollonia, he could be himself, a child of immigrants one generation removed from sicily, didnt have to put on airs or anything like that.

it also shined a light on how kays naivety and her intrusive inquisitive nature would lead to major problems for them.

Real artist that the studios don't want to support because of zoetrope.

>i dont believe michael was intentionally lying to her though

Fair point, but it wouldn't make a difference to you if you were the one who married someone believing you could trust what they told you only to found out that there words were just aspirational good intentions. At least, not when it comes to something like "I'm going to stop lying, killing, and stealing for money." Did they deliberately lie to you? No, but you can understand why she feels lied to. It's certainly beyond question that his words can't be trusted and that he hypocritically asks you to affix your future to him based on promises he doesn't keep.

but if she wasnt asking her obvious mob boss husband stupid fucking questions like that he wouldnt have to lie to her. simple as. as far as i know, michael was already quasi legit in II, they had control of numerous casinos, and he had several buffers in place between him and the illicit dealings of the family, namely pentangeli. seemed like the roth deal was holding up total legitimacy, i dont know what the plans where with New York, as it seemes even in III joey zasa isnt really his own boss, merely running the old corleone family, like pentangeli was.