What was the point of no return...

What was the point of no return? The last moment at which the show could have been salvaged as something remembered positively, the first choice/cut/change that laid the foundations for problems later?

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For the normie public S08E01

>the point of no return
Stannis in season 5

Arya getting stabbed and thrown into sewage water and surviving was the beginning of the end. When reality checks and stakes got replaced with plot armor and keeping the fans happy and fed.

It was never that good

some hardcore fans say season 2 but for me it was season 5. Just felt nothing really interesting was happening anymore

Barristan's death early in S5 for me, that was the canary in the coal mine that they were just gonna find a way to kill living book characters that normie show watchers weren't that interested in. Myrcella and all of Stannis' family getting killed off later in the season confirmed it.

When Jaime didn't tell Tyrion the truth about the wife he had at 13, meaning the character who had been the most popular on the show until that point would never do anything again.

Removing the scenes where Cersei teaches Myrcella about masturbation before she's sent to Dorne. It removed the first glimpse that Cersei might not be a conniving woman, but an insane woman, locking her character into yass kween wine aunt vs. the increasingly Robert-like mad queen she's meant to be, and needed to be for certain parts of the story to work. It also removed one of the only moments we had with Myrcella before she goes off screen, which means the entire Dorne expedition is centered around a character most of the audience doesn't know and doesn't remember, causing her death to fall flat, and making that entire Dorne portion of an already weak season meaningless and empty. I understand why they did it, there are certain things you can do in print that won't work on camera/can't be filmed, same reason why they aged Dany up, but they could have found some way to get the important story elements across without nudity or anything. They did Tommen and Margaery, they could have done this, but they wanted to keep Cersei as Tywin with tits instead of as the actual Cersei, and it helped sink season 5 later, which in turn helped sink the ending by wasting so much screen time.

Jon Snow's death for me

>wife he had at 13
>mfw still unmarried at 33

s08e02 was the last good episode
if we had a semblance of competent writing after it, the show could have ender positively
nowhere close to as good as s01-s04 was
but it still could have been salvaged into something acceptable

the omission of jaime revealing the truth about tysha to tyrion at the end of s4. that completely ruins tyrion's character and turns him into a do-nothing for the rest of the series, which in turn fucks up his interactions with other characters, notably daenerys. if he was the same bitter evil cunt he turned into in the books while he was on dany's council, her descent into madness would be much more gradual and believable instead of whatever the fuck actually happened.

HUUUUHHHHHHHHH????? what do they say about s2
Is this actually in the books????? Isn't Myrcella like 7??
Death was fine, revival was not. If they had to revive him he should have been not himself a la lady stoneheart
I liked it when Jaime and Brienne SHAGGED

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I THINK that it worked because all the bullshit of being hated and falsely accused and bullshit trial and stuff is enough to make somebody bitter and give up IMO ESPECIALLY SINCE his whole life has been like that that was like the precipice
So I don't think the omission was that impactful

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The wiki says she's 9, but I don't know if she's actually 9 in that scene, might be 7 or 8. Young enough that her Mom had to show her I guess. It's another one of those George scenes like "fat pink mast" and "Myrish swamp" where you can tell some awkward guy is writing smut for his own sake.

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>Death was fine, revival was not. If they had to revive him he should have been not himself a la lady stoneheart
Oh yeah, that's what I meant, sorry. Jon's death was the last time the show was truly marvellous and had me be engaged and wanting for more. The season after was already kinda meh, and shit went south fast from episode to episode. I think the last two seasons I only watched basically to get it over with.

When they burned Shireen to death. I don't care if that is what is planned for the book series, I'd imagine there would be way more context and explanation and Stannis' thoughts instead of just rushing through it.

Shit just didn't feel right. Here we are in early seasons caring about these kids fucking wolves and then all of a sudden we kill an actual CHILD of a King and aren't supposed to give a shit for more than 5 minutes. Fuck that. Then they kill him off retardedly. Retarded fucking show.

>he should have been not himself
They paid lip service to the idea that he wasn't, but abandoned it almost immediately.

In 2010 you can just go on the internet and flatly state that the actresses you've been working with are making you horny

You still can, but only if women find you attractive. Chris Brown tried to bite a girl's fingers off.

Season 5
or well, season 5 is the first flat out awful season, but the writing as on the wall already in season 4. The official point of no return is the omission of Jaime admitting the Tysha story was a lie.

WHY DOES THAT OMISSION MATTER SO MUCH

The end must have been John Snow coronation

It's a deeply important moment in the character arcs of both Tyrion and Jaime to follow, a defining moment.

-Tyrion loses the last person he truly trusted and starts a very dark path. Yes he can start that path too after the humiliation of the trial, but he already knew his father and the common people hated him. Jaime however was the ONE person he loved and trusted. To have that trust betrayed destroyed him. Plus the reveal of Tywin's very cruel act, that is the motivation needed to destroy him. Also gives him more rage to kill Shae. In the show he gets a copout kind of sad/defensive kill on her instead of the straight up murder it is in the books. In general he's very whitewashed in the show, he's a villain in the books (a subtle one because inside of his head he seems in the right, plus he's very funny and an underdog which turns readers to his side, but a villain nonetheless)
-Jaime is also very affected by it, as Tyrion's reply about Cersei fucking several men 'and moon boy for all I know' is what starts his doubt about their relationship and his eventual break from her. This is basically the crux of his whole arc in the next book.
-And lastly, it's just a fundamentally different thing for the rest of the plot to have Tyrion and Jaime leave on good terms or bad terms

I only watched the last season for the hope that the battles would be cool and they all sucked dick.

Because it's the foundation of Tyrion's entire character.

They even talked about it onscreen back in season 1.

The Tysha incident made Tyrion think he was so unlovable only a whore would be willing to be with him. When in fact the girl generally loved him, she was gangraped, and Jaime helped perpetuate the lie.

Essentially who he was as a person was entirely shaped by a sociopathic prank his father played to "teach him a lesson".

This destroys him, and he's only beginning to build a new self by the end of book 5.

Essentially, the basic foundation of their most popular character, that they themselves had brought up on screen, wasn't important enough for the 2 kikes to actually show on screen.

Season 2 was when three began making changes that would fuck up the story long term.

Season 1 >>> 3 > 2 >> 4 >>>>>>>>>>> 6 >> 5 > 7 >>>>>> 8
Season 1 is by far the best, but 3 and 2 are pretty damn good too (even though they unnecessarily change some things, and D&D clearly do not understand Stannis) and 4 still has some great stuff (Purple Wedding, Oberyn).

Last 4 seasons are varying amounts of dogshit, with 6 probably being the best because at least, while making zero sense especially in how it was (not) handled afterwards, the wildfire sequence was kino. 5 is doodoo, especially dorne, 7 is when even normies can start to see how laughably bad the show is (gendry's run to raven to dany) and at 8 finally everyone woke up.

You now remember Robb marrying a free cities stronk whore under the light of the seven lmao, instead of panic marrying a noblewoman he had grief sex with because he didn't want another Jon Snow situation

The death of Stannis in 5, but if you really want to stretch it, I'd say S08E03 when they ended the Walkers plot for good. I could tolerate some of the nonsense post-season 4 but that shit pissed me off. So what the hell was the point of it all then?

To subvert your expectations :^)
being unpredictable automatically makes a story good, didn't you know?

Game of thrones was fine.
The battles were very good and the rest of the production was typical HBO. It doesn't particularly deserve the hate it gets. It's like the Megan fox of HBO series. Yeah its a dumb whore but still would.
This shot is good.

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I didn't even hate the final episode, to me the damage was done way before that. That episode was as good as it could have gotten with their shitty writing imo.

Megan fox is actually smart lol idk why people think she's stupid, probably just because she's beautiful

>This will sell our show.

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This was poggers they're cute

Season 2 or 3 when the writers realized the show's future wasn't uncertain and they started writing long-haul boring bullshit that they could rewrite and tweak to their heart's content later on.

When the battle of the blackwater was just a couple of shitty row boats tinkling around in a puddle

look into the fire user you see melly's pale tits don't you

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It was cute for a few moments, until they had Jaime take her virginity then abandon her to immediately run back to his whore sister that he forgot he utterly despises

it didn't all go to shit all at once, Bran was the first of the main characters plot lines to completely fall apart, while some characters like Davos, Jaime and the Hound were interesting every time they were on screen, even until the end. there were things i liked in every season, even if more and more of the plot lines were going to shit,

when this faggot killed best girl

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>Realistic take on medieval fantasy
>Nobody wears full plate armor in battle. Sometimes guys just wear a helmet and gambeson.
>Regardless, swords slice through everyone like lightsabers

Why wear metal when wool sweater do trick?

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I never realized it was cloth chainmail lmao

The LAST moment? Arya stabbing the Night King. As bad as the last couple seasons were, the fact of the matter is that if the arcs that had been set up had been given cathartic and satisfying endings then people would have accepted it and forgiven the shows flaws. Its a basic truth of media that a shows ending is the part that people really remember, and they gloss over however bumpy the road was to get there.

Once Arya killed the Night King, however, we knew we were fucked. The White Walkers had been too built up, too much had centered around them, and the finale to that arc was piss. Even if the Iron Throne part of the story was wrapped up nicely the white walker storylines ending would carry a real stink to it, but more importantly we knew that this level of disrespect for the material so close to the end meant that the chances of the other arcs being wrapped up well was next to zero.

There exists a possible version of events where everything else remains the same, but S8 Ep3 and what comes after are handled competently and everyone basically still likes the show aside from some nitpicks. But thats not what we got. The ending of Game of Thrones was by far the worst part. And, as I said, the ending is the part people really remember. So now all of the really good earlier seasons are consigned to death.

Very accurate post, agreed with everything

S2 is when DD started making changes to the story and acting like they new better than the source material. Except their changes were either to add more drama to the show.

Season 2
also the Dorne arc was the moment when everything turned into absolute farce

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Season 6

4 and 5 weren't great but 6 on was just on a different plane

Intro of the Sand Sneks is when I knew the show was never going to be good again.

>he's a villain in the books
This is, at best, highly debatable

this

I believe season 4 is when they ran out of written material, so some time around that point

no I see Big Black Cock

season 5 ruined the show

>Most forgettable Sand Snake is now the only one with a career
It really do be like that sometimes.

whenever they stopped following the source material 100%. so. season 2 episode 1. it was just carried by god tier rob, stannis and red wedding hype in season 3.

GRRM has said so himself
I mean, death of the author and all that, but still. Tyrion's actions mostly aren't very heroic

That was terrible. Arya getting her insides churned with a dagger was fatal enough on its own, but then falling into putrid sewage should have been septic shock on top of it.

I don't even remember lol
It's as if I've never watched the show

Absolutely this, several characters have a monologue that Selmy is the greatest living knight in the seven kingdoms and is unstoppable in combat, but he immediately dies like a bitch to anonymous mooks