This is possibly the biggest pile of poo I've ever seen

this movie is kino and if you don't like it you're a retard

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>they didn't dumb it down enough for me!!
stick to adam mckay films

His ex-wife is such a bitch

maybe Margin Call II will be better. the events on which the movie will be based should be happening any day now...

Dumb it down enough? Are you reading what I'm saying. They never actually describe the problem in anything other than dumb analogies. There's like 4 sentences in the entire movie that go into any detail and if you are financially literate you'll realize they aren't saying anything that explains the problem. They are just using a few terms in a word salad so someone can say "in english doc."

I kept watcjing it hoping that something would happen but it never did.

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certified kino

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The big short is far superior the this, when in comes so entertaining at least

This is the type of person I share my board with, double digit iq mongoloid

>The big short is far superior the this, when in comes so entertaining at least

these are the kinda retards that prefer The Big Short

It felt like a bad Sidney Lumet film. I am completely with you that when it looks like it's about to take off in the middle, the script fizzles out. Starts off well but all the potential caps out in the second half because the conflict isn't exciting enough. At first it seems like there will be some kind of interesting conspiracy or fraud, but no. Losing lots of money is just something that happens and then they argue about it a little bit. A shame too because I was looking for something a bit more in depth than the Margot Robbie in a bath tub shit on the housing crisis.

even if thats the case, why is that a bad thing? analogies are effective when it comes to reaching an audience outside of finance. why does everything need to be broken down and explained such that even 5 year olds are able to understand what collateralized debt obligations are? which by the way, as seen in the big short, theres no artful/tasteful way to do this. it just comes across as cringe (i.e. margot robbie bathtub scene).

i far prefer people like jeremy irons in senior banking positions providing allegories about music stopping than shit like the big short.

Then tell me, while only using dialogue from the movie, what the firm's position was, what the risk was, what model they were using for trading that was responsible for $8T in capital? Why did no one see this, why was this risk hidden for so long? You can't because the writers didn't put it in the movie. Why make a movie about a subject and then give it the "in english doc" treatment every time something about the predicament needs to be explained?

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so you just didn't watch this scene?

It's shit. The big short is shit too but at least it was entertaining on some level and tried to explain to the audience some of the financial details beyond "when the music stops were holding a bag of shit." Margin call is for brainlets. I can't believe anyone thinks it has anything to offer except a veneer overlaid on a 2 week shoot spec script.

Yeah exactly they don't explain anything. They get 2 sentences into a technical explanation and then pivot into analogies. It's for brain dead retards.

> literal autist

That explains why you cabt find the comical scenes in the big short entertaining or funny, and ehy you prefer a bunch of suits sitting around a table arguing with each other which basically is the whole movie.

>Starts off well but all the potential caps out in the second half because the conflict isn't exciting enough.
for normies like you who expect an epic lumet-tier event to happen mid-way through the film, sure. but as someone that works in this field, i found this film to be a refreshing take on the events of the 08 crash that doesnt make my skin crawl.

to me, the parts where some of the employees of the firm were hesitant about dumping everything is my lumet-ian 'conflict' that you felt you were robbed of. so many different types of finance/banking with different proclivities and moral principles were summarized in a decent array of characters in this film. i really liked how unique each character was from the other and how differently they all react to the idea of 'dumping it all'

>why did no one see this,
bro people did see this you fucking blind retard. there's a whole scene where demi moore explains how she and stanley tucci brought this to simon baker's attention who kept it a secret because they were making too much money to just stop selling these products.

Larp harder. People aren't dressing up in full suits and attending board meetings at 2am because some junior associate thinks theres gonna be a crash. 08 fire sale started when people who were researching the problem for weeks were finally able to make their case over the span of several days. The movie is total garbage and inaccurate to how 08 actually was.

>so many different types of finance/banking with different proclivities and moral principles were summarized in a decent array of characters in this film. i really liked how unique each character was from the other and how differently they all react to the idea of 'dumping it all'
If it wasn't elegantly produced, with a late 2000s feel to it, very slick and digital, it would come across as a Robert Redford directed movie that is wheeled into every history class. Painfully boring to watch, frankly. Though I am about as far removed from the stock market as one could get.

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The movie is called "margin call" and that's literally what the threat is.

The bank took out more short-term loans to buy mortgages for their mortgage-backed securities than the company was worth, so that a 20% drop in mortgage values would instantly bankrupt the company. Quinto's model just indicates that such a drop is becoming increasingly likely, so the CEO decides to sell it all right away while the price is still high in order to avoid bankruptcy, even though it will instantly crash the market and bankrupt everyone else.

The conspiracy is that all the execs knew this was a possibility the entire time but overlooked it to make money. Tucci's character was fired because he was a threat to this.

That's it. That's the entire plot of the movie. I could get being confused by this if you have no financial background whatsoever, but the musical chairs analogy works fine.

this movie wouldve been so much heckin better if there was a poggin explosion

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it wasnt trying to explain anything user, the film very obviously relinquishes that responsibility very early on. you are still able to tell a compelling story about the financial crash without explaining the technical the details about what was going on.

the truth is the only people who are frustrated by this approach are those who aren't educated on the financial crash of 08 and felt like weren't spoonfed something they shouldve learned a long time ago
big short was reddit as fuck user. you dont have to be an autist to cringe at margot robbie cheekily comforting you for not being able to follow along. or ryan gosling explaining how bond ratings work using jenga.

This is the plot and I'm not confused by it. Im saying they did a poor job of introducing the conflicts and the reasoning behind the characters reactions. They fail to deliver anything of substance to the audience.

I happen to have watched this a few weeks ago. It is indeed very terrible. There are some big name actors that play it alright but the minor actors are incredibly terrible.

Jeremy Irons thinks he is in some big budget production and goes full on theatrical as if he the meeting is taking place in some Rothschildian chateau.

The dialogue is extremely on the nose and cringe worthy especially when it starts to do its "where is our society headed" spiel.

Its very obvious the whole thing plays out at night because they could not secure the location during the day. The location is cheap, lightening is cheap. The blocking is horrendous. They manage to film a single nice shot with Demi Moore during sun-rise and they obviously milk those shots, cutting like 5 or 6 times to the same moment just to show off the juicy images.

A cheap knock off Sidney Lumet film is the perfect way to describes it.

do you really think when that shit was going down that no banks that owned any of these instruments offloaded them as quickly as they could?

you are the kind of faggot that reads about michael burry's story and thinks the entire crash happened as a result of his own research and predictions and no one else's.

It's a garbage movie. I am financially literate and saw the whole thing as some bullshit effort to be a serious wall street drama. However the writers are either totally clueless with how things actually work or they realized the audience wont care so lets just get to the drama. Fine, it's okay to be a drama but there was nothing interesting in the movie either. It was total garbage.

I thought this was half decent. Captured the era. Conventional, standard stuff but very well acted.

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I worked at GS at the time. While some people picked up the pace quickly and dumped everything a lot of institutions were unwinding before that. Michael Burry was notable because he was an outsider and the earliest known short position. A few big institutions got caught off guard and triggered a huge shit storm. The story js actually more interesting than the Big Short or Margin Call make it out to be. Both are cheap dramas about underdogs.

whos the underdog in margin call? the film is about a firm that 'picks up the pace and dumps everything' with some senior employees discussing the moral qualms about unwinding everything. quite literally it

> he thinks th eaverage person cares about how finance works

Its a movie, its supposed to be entertaining not educational, if you want to be educated then watch c span or go jerk off some collece professor while he reads you some finance

thats what im arguing here. margin call doesnt bother trying to educate people about technicalities of finance. big short tries to in a reddit tongue-in-cheek popcorn kind of way

The firm is the underdog in the sense that the odds are clearly stacked against them and they need to come up with a plan and execute or they are fucked.

ok so i think the disagreement here is that i found this to be compelling and you didnt.

out of curiosity, are there any finance films that you like?

And im saying that margin call was boring either way while the big short was at least entertaining

ok so you like reddit-style entertainment. thats perfectly fine but at least admit it from the start

Smartest guys in the room was good.

I only liked ryan Gosling and christian Bale characters, they were the only funny ones while steve wasnt funny at all just cringe and so was margot, but I dont know why Im arguing over the completely different movies really, one is a comedy and the other is a drama

Leftists love this movie because it makes them feel like le ebin financial wizards

dont leftists hate wallstreet?

Trading is synonymous with the right, same circles and shit

Buy AMC before it moons

how do you buy stocks with cash? dont have any cards

Talk to an actual stock broker.

do they take cash? do i have to give them my full name?

sure

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It and big short are disinfo about what actually happened back then, the CDOs were not illiquid.

These people have never faced risk the way most traders have. The only 'risk' they ever took was 'studying' an arts or social studies major where there is a 95% risk of going financially extinct against the fucking state.

Studying finance is no risk either

the assets they were overvalued and if they didn't sell they'd be financially insoluble

Imagine buying a house and paying 300k for it but then it's market value reduces so much that it costs more to own it than it does to sell it. Imagine doing that a million times and that's what 2008 was.

Who the fuck are watching all these Wolf of Wall Street like movies?

Wolf of wallstreet > the big short > margin call