>“It is not the job of artists to give the audience what the audience want. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn’t be the audience. They would be the artist. It is the job of artists to give the audience what they need.” Art thats unloved by the masses is mere masturbation made for the artist.
Moore is full of shit. And he knows it.
Imagine ordering at a restaurant and afterwards the chef just decides to make you "what you need" and it's an unpalatable dish you despise. Who would go to this restaurant? The chef would soon be out of a job. If you can't get your message through while giving the audience the entertainment they crave, you aren't fit to call yourself an artist/writer.
Who cares about this anglocuck plagiarist? Anglogermcucks are esoterically illiterate and always will be until they learn to accept their Asian heritage and stop pretending to be something they’re not (ie Europeans).
Carter Lopez
>Who would go to this restaurant? A lot of people.
And Moore is right. There's definitely a balance to be had between the artists vision and the audience, but if you acquiesce entirely to what the audience say they want you are no longer an artist, and will produce absolutely nothing of worth.
Josiah Young
and this is why you will never make anything of value, or anything at all. You will leave nothing to remember
Moore is a talentless hack and only dumb edgy leftists like him
Grayson Butler
if you let the audience dictate your craft you are not an artist but an entertainer
Juan Ortiz
Trying to please fans is what got us Josstice League and "Somehow, Palpatine has returned." Maybe you like them better than the movies that came before but they're still fucking shit no one wants to watch. Moore is right
Jonathan Martin
I mean, if you're making art for yourself and friends, it's no problem to not give a fuck and just entertain yourself and your buddies. But when that shit's commercial and your next meal, rent, etcetera rely on your art, you kinda have no choice but to acquiesce to audience demand. Actually, you're usually just listening to the demands of your editor, studio execs or whatever. You know, the people who think they know what the audience wants.
Jace Thomas
you're not ordering anything from Moore, you're getting something that was already produced. If it was already produced, you can check if it's something you want to spend your time and money on before you get it. Your food analogy is retarded and so are you.
Samuel Martinez
if you want to make art that will last long after you're dead, then you're never going to be popular with the masses. A surefire way to tell if something is going to last is to look at how popular it is when it first comes out; ninety percent of the time, if something is widely popular immediately upon release, it will be quickly forgotten and almost completely culturally irrelevant in 50–100 years.
He's half right, if you're working with an already established serialized set of characters there are certain expectations you have to adhere to, but if you're working with your own creations or a story with a finite end you are under no obligation to have it play out a certain way.
Jace Moore
I mean, it depends on your level of power. If you're Stephen King or Nolan, you can pretty much do whatever you want. If you're not, you either do what they say or they will find someone who will.
Nolan Flores
Great art is more akin to medicine than food. What netflix and current Hollywood offer is poison or at the very least garbage.
William Torres
Pretty much this. Everyone's an artist until they remember they have to pay bills and buy groceries.
Nathaniel Thomas
You know you get fired if you don't listen to the execs, right? Fucking dipshit.
Landon Collins
How many times are you going to make this exact same thread?
That is such bullshit it's not even funny. You're actually retarded.
Robert Walker
But Moore didn't go out of business. He was wildly successful.
Nathan White
Execs wanted Johnny to play Sparrow like O'Connell from The Mummy movies, or just like a generic swashbuckler, but he said no. He was adamant on his cartoonist drunk interpretation, and the execs hated it and even accused him of trying to sabotage the film.
They eventually gave in after he demanded they do it his way, and the rest is history.
The moral is; don't listen to execs or meddlers. They don't know shit about fuck.
Mason Gray
Nigger they've been trying to solve the questions of "what makes good art/bad art" and "what makes art timeless" for at least 120 years in literary circles
Adam Perez
>if you want to make art that will last long after you're dead, then you're never going to be popular with the masses. A surefire way to tell if something is going to last is to look at how popular it is when it first comes out; ninety percent of the time, if something is widely popular immediately upon release, it will be quickly forgotten and almost completely culturally irrelevant in 50–100 years.
Shakespeare is arguably the most influential writer of all time and was very popular even during his lifetime, even among common folk. Dumbass post.
Asher Bell
>the chef just decides to make you "what you need" That's how most of the top restaurants work.
Cooper Kelly
Seethe faggot.
Levi Gomez
Are you actually a fucking ape? Johnny Depp was a big star even before Pirates. He had the pull to do that kind of shit. You think any other actor or a low level screenwriter can get away with that shit?
Aaron Stewart
>art / food analogy I despise Americans
Landon Barnes
leave it to moore to belabor a facile slogan into 5x the number of words it needed to be
Charles Wright
That is the dumbest analogy I have ever heard
I'm not a chef, I don't know what kind of food I want someone to invent. Once a chef invents a food I enjoy (or an artist makes a movie I liked) then I can say, yeah, I want to rewatch that movie, or I want to re-eat that food
He is absolutely right
Let me guess, you browse reddit and only found out now about Yea Forums right?
Gavin Kelly
Having the pull to do it doesn't detract from the fact that execs don't know shit.
Are you too retarded to understand?
Brayden Evans
literally who?
Evan Howard
>Art thats unloved by the masses is mere masturbation made for the artist. I would mostly agree with that, yes. Ivory tower academics and their ilk produce media that's unconsumable for the average masses. Who the fuck reads poetry anymore? Literature? Sure there are a few popular authors and what-not, but media made for small cliques of people is art with a restricted message. To me, the ideal of art is something that can immediately and viscerally be enjoyed by the masses, while also containing occult/occluded symbols and meanings that will appeal to academics and those inclined to higher thinking.
Jonathan Collins
>who would go to this restaurant You fucking retard. There are plenty of high class restaurants where the whole idea is that they pick the meal for you.
Nathaniel Wood
don't share moore's MRI scans, doctor patient confidentiality is important
Yes, there are always exceptions to the rule, and Shakespeare is literally the only one. The only other author that was immensely popular in their time and still retains relevance today is Dickens but in terms of influence he's nowhere near Shakespeare
Nicholas Foster
Which is why everything is shit. For every good idea they have there are ten thousand bad ones.
Christian Thomas
Who the fuck said execs know shit? I literally said they THINK they know. I know execs are fucking stupid, you retard. That was never in dispute. Learn how to read.
Nicholas Thompson
The characters aren't the same at all except for being inebriated on one substance or another.
This. Nigga, every michelin star restaurant is like this. The chef decides the menu and you eat whatever he serves you, usually a course of 10 to 20 small dishes.
Nathan Lopez
/his/ ban dtill active my turkish freind?
Michael Morris
Kys you fucking piece of shit.
Jacob Rodriguez
>Shakespeare is literally the only one. Dante Alighieri says otherwise. His shit was so popular it literally helped form the bedrock of the standardized Italian language.
Gabriel Perez
After you take some English comprehension classes. Let me know when you've completed the course.
Julian Flores
>"Hurrrrr but I said this!" >Didn't actually say anything of the sort
Lmao kys you stupid fucking piece of shit.
Noah Gonzalez
Alan Moore is cringe but Watchmen was based. Too bad they fucked it up with that retarded HBO show.
Carter Evans
based moore, mental midgets keep seething
Kayden Rogers
Point to the post where I said "Execs are smart people who know everything." You fucking retard. Where did ANYONE in this thread say that?
Alan Moore, the man who hasn't written anything culturally relevant or popular since Watchmen says that artists shouldn't make things with the audience in mind.
Imagine my shock.
Jaxson Ramirez
imagine missing the point this hard lmao. get a better brain retard
Lucas Ramirez
amazing how this shitty bait pasta remains on top of the catalogue, never change tv
Justin Bailey
Ahh seethe more you absolute fucking moron. Kys like I fucking told you to, stupid retard.
Ryder Hall
Moore is based and you're cringe
Camden Hall
Why do right wingers think they're hard at all to understand? What an embarrassing thing to not only post but take a screencap of.
Gavin Taylor
Do you have an argument or can you only tell people to kill themselves? I'm guessing at this point you're just a foreigner who can't read English.
David Jackson
both are wrong, because there is not true way to make art, an actor need to show their audience real good acting and make them feel it, in the same way as paints and statues.
meanwhile in writing moore is right, fanservice is truly a shitty way to make a script, thats why fanfics are the truly lowest writing.
Leo Sanders
Point out any post you've made where you've attempted to even have a point. You can't because you haven't, and being told to kys is the only appropriate response to idiots like you.
Bye now, enjoy your re-roll.
Carter Bell
An artist is also an audience member, he just creates what he wants. If he achieves that, since he himself is an audience member who shares his taste in common with others, there will likely be others that want the same thing and enjoy what he created as well. "Need" doesn't apply. No one needs a graphic novel about a nigga in a mask.
Brody Brown
Dante wrote specific books defending the Italian language, as Latin was the language of scholars of the time and was inaccessible to commoners; it wasn't simply because of his art. Also, when the Comedy was first published, it went almost completely ignored; it wasn't till after Dante's death that his two sons wrote commentaries about it, and it wasn't till 50 years after his death that it was actually studied
Jeremiah Thompson
Ironically, the only reason Watchmen became popular is because "Superheroes BUT Edgy" caught on like wildfire in the 70s and 80s in comics. And most people who read Watchmen (like say, Zack Snyder) completely miss the point that Moore was trying to make. Superheroes with realistic problems wind up being pretty fucked up people who are far from idealistic. His whole point was that superhero comics should stop taking themselves so seriously.
Poor guy probably feels guilty for ruining comics.
Jaxson Gonzalez
lol, fuck actors
Oliver Robinson
I guess Michaelangelo and De Vinci arent artists becouse they painted for patronage?
Jason Reyes
there is still painter, directors, designers and bla bla bla
Alexander Cooper
Why are artists so fucking pretentious? At this point, i'm gonna wind up having more respect for Twitter furry artists than these assholes who are so far up their own asses they can't smell anything except their own shit
Jace Morales
doing a couple personalized pieces for a patron is not the same as deliberately making easy-to-consume lowbrow shit to appeal to as many people as possible
Adrian Watson
That's the problem aiming movies for the widest demographics.
Connor Lee
What exactly is Moore railing against here? Art as a product? Because if that's the case, his issue should be directly with capitalism, but he seems afraid to say that.
Daniel Robinson
Because lefties very clearly don't understand them. They think they're just dumb or evil.
Dylan White
I get what he means and if you weren't so dumb, you'd understand too. he just has a very specific definition of artist.
Nathaniel Ward
Lol what a dumb opinion. The most popular books from the last century where all massive successes like a farewell to arms and lord of the rings are classics and sold massively well. Same with movies and music, that line is just cope from psueds who make bad shit
Luke Ramirez
i still dont know why moore is leftist, isnt he an anarchist faggot isnt anarchist like the other side of the coin when talking about fascism.
Nolan Young
that was my point, concerning movies I care much more about directors and writers rather than some pretty faces emoting
