Isn’t Nacho dying a plothole? In Breaking Bad...

Based on their conversations, have this crazy notion that Kim isn't real, or at least, isn't with Jimmy at this point. That her presence and going along with Saul is just a fantasy in his head, and that the show's going to pull a Fight Club at us when he goes full Saul at the end. Question is, when did reality end and the fantasy start for him?

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>Nacho uses Aspirin to fill Hector's pills

>Shoots himself in head

Genius, Vince

Incorrect, nacho shot himself with smaller bullets to build a immunity to the larger bullets

Jimmy's gonna rat on Lalo, especially now that he thinks he's dead. That's what he's referring to.

Mike switched Nacho with a puppet when Hector wasn't looking.

That’s kind of stupid then, especially if Saul not knowing about Lalo is confirmed because then it takes away any chance of him being threatening this season. Idk, maybe he comes back and kills Gene.
Thanks for the refresher though, I appreciate it.

Nacho was wearing a bullet proof vest

"it was ignacio" can refer to a distant past. saul didn't know who he was dealing with

Are you retarded? Mike was shooting the bullets in mid-air. None of them hit Nacho. Mike was knocking the bullets out of the way. Why do you think he was there?

It is possible to blame a dead guy! The only one he thinks is alive is Lalo "did Lalo send you".

Yeah, for all we've seen so far, last Saul knew of Nacho was that Lalo was traveling with him down to Mexico, with Kim telling Lalo that he had bigger things to worry about than if he could trust Saul Goodman. Mike had warned Saul that within a day Lalo would be taken care of, then he's told by the DA that Lalo is dead. Lalo turns out not to be dead; Jimmy gets scared; when he later things he's being attacked by Lalo's guys, he blurts out that it was Nacho, he had nothing to do with it, etc.

Saul is not happy with Nacho because he was the one who pushed him to work for Lalo. To his knowledge since this episode Lalo was rekt by someone else and he just wants to not be involved

This is probably true too

No, because at this point, Saul doesn't know anything about Nacho turning on Lalo.

And it doesn't make sense that he would learn about it after Nacho died and yet not know that Nacho was dead

best theory

Bruh what there's plenty of scenes with kim and without saul.

"it was ignacio" can refer to any number of things nacho did in the distant past.

if this turns out to be true...
imagine the seethe

But he also said

>Lalo sent you?

What the hell else does Saul know that Nacho was in on?

> Zero questions about how Nacho got out. Just go your way Gus, have a good trip. Also thanks for bringing us Nacho, we won't even ask where you got him from. You are a good friend. By the way, we're standing here with our whole family and your sniper friend could have put us all down. Just saying.

Saul didn't even know Nacho was a traitor to Lalo did he? I didn't think so. So if the intent of him blaming Nacho was to save himself, it seems like a pretty desperate attempt, even moreso if he does eventually find out Nacho is dead. I had imagined Nacho would somehow meet Saul again, and together they would do something else against the Cartel/Lalo, but I guess not.

Exactly

It makes no sense that Saul would learn about Nacho's betrayal without also learning that he's dead

>Saul doesn't necessarily know
Yes he does, it got confirmed to him this episode. Lalo has to come back to threaten Saul again if the BB statement is to make any sense.

there is still time left in BCS for mike to inform saul that nacho is dead and why.

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This, or Nacho is obviously gonna be buried in an unmarked grave if not burnt so I don't imagine Jimmy will find out

Yeah I don't see a way Saul could find out that Nacho is dead that is not just forced and phoned in

> Okay, first thing, we'll tie you up, bag over your head. Or did you think we were going to ask you right here in the desert? As a matter of fact, we're not interested in what you have to say. We're taking you to our safe place. And then we'll think. We know Gus is behind this. But we have no proof. We also know that if Gus hired you, he made sure you didn't talk, otherwise why would he bring you straight to us, right? It's not like we're stupid. There's no point in torturing you. If we torture you, you'll say anything, you'll even confess that you killed Kennedy and set up 9/11. No. There's something here. Money? No, who would agree to be killed for money? To be tortured to death for money? Obviously. You have someone you love more than your own worthless life. Someone to protect, you became a rat. And we'll find out. And then - we'll hit you with this. And you'll tell us everything. To protect. Again. We're not stupid.

Vince, I just fixed your shitty script. Are you even trying?

What better way than to shift blame to the dead man?
Plus, Saul might never find out about Nacho's death.
Hell, Lalo might also be dead by the end of BCS and Saul just never finds out about that either.

He's blaming Ignacio precisely because he was a dead man by then
Victimless crime, neither he nor nacho get punished

The opening scene of the episode is his grave

Nah, I feel like the main character should know about the death of the epic badass cartoon bad guy. Just seems like it can’t be done that way because every event will just feel too detached by the finale, not tied up neatly.
I can’t think of any way they’d pull it off unless they have Lalo come back in the Gene arc.

>epic badass cartoon
bb and bcs always had those cheesy elements

>pisses off the cartel seconds before he dies
>expects his father to be safe

this is a bigger plothole

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the salamancas dont know about his father
thats why he got mike and the crew to steal his dads ID card, so they wouldnt think to go looking for him

Saul things Lalo is dead. Saul knows Nacho killed him or was related to it. He thinks he got kidnapped by the Cartel, so he thinks its because they are coming after him for associating with Nacho.

hector knows

Hector knows about him, they met once. Hector was going use his business as a front for his drug related stuff.

hectors in a wheelchair and shits his pants regularly
he's also somehwat a man of honor and understands that nachos father is NOT invovled in the cartel, and they left him alone

not to mention, even Mike said he'd be protecting nachos dad/shop

Did you forget that Hector went to his father and knew who he was before he had his stroke? I think it was season 3 or 4.

Slippin vinny

hector visited his dad's shop. granted it'd be hard to get that info from him, but not impossible.
The bigger question there is why would they kill him in the first place? whats it going to do, make nacho's ghost sad? killing nacho's dad gives them nothing.

see

cartels do shit like that all the time, you piss us off and we'll kill you and then kill your entire family as a message to anyone else that might try to cross them.

exactly.

Nothing in that line suggests he doesn't know Nacho is dead. Only that he knows Nacho betrayed Lalo, which by the time of Breaking Bad he's probably learned from Mike.

What if it's the other way around? Saul/Jimmy is just the fantasy of Kim. She was some nobody intern who created this fantasy character to feel better than her boss: Howard. She imagined the local fast food restaurant owner to be a major drug lord. She imagined her car mechanic to be a henchman that was trying to protect his dad. She imagined the local security guard to be a professional hitman/sniper. The local high school chemistry teacher to be a meth god. Etc. Etc. In realliy she just grows old and will forever be Howard's secretary.

that's even dumber

...10 baka
let me tell you one thing about how flawless this show is and how it can-not remain as such until the finale
Kim.
they will NEVER be able to write her out properly in less than 1 season. They're still blossoming their relationship
it will retroactively bleed into all previous episodes.
she's such an incredibly ideal partner for him, no matter how uncomfortable he gets with her pushing it, and there's no trace of remorse at all with Saul in breaking bad.
They will have to expire at least 2 decades for him to grow over the complexities he'll develop by having her removed from his life

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Hopefully now that Nacho is dead they stop spending so much time on the most boring plot thread of the series. The Jim and Kimmy arc this season is kind of stupid but it's far more interesting than rheumy old man, angry black Spaniard and taco Tuesday that we've spent like 80 percent of every episode on so far.

Do they even need to remove her? She's probably how he finds out about the vaccum guy, she goes too deep and has to leave but he knows she's still alive.

She was fucking Howard behind his back. She never left the firm, she was just assigned to handle Jimmy. Jimmy gets her killed by Lalo as revenge, but realized too late he really loved her. The end.

They were rubber bullets

We need to get the Germans and Tuco back.

No, That wasn't Nacho, that was tar-baby clone Nacho. Real Nacho is still in the tanker.